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babsi
Jul 12th, 2002, 12:54 PM
Well another quarter-final loss, she hasn't been past that stage since February last year.

Fed Cup is next against Croatia so maybe she can get a little confidence from there.

She is at her lowest ranking since 1998 and there is a chance that she won't be seeded at the US Open, as all of those tournaments are tough and she can be out very early unless she gets very lucky. New Haven she will have to play qualifying which I do think will be good for her as that will give her a chance to get some matches instead of having it tough in the first round.

She will be playing doubles with Anna Kournikova up until the US Open but as has been proven before when Babsi does well in doubles it doesn't transcend into singles success, Hamburg this year was a perfect example winning every match easily and the title with Hingis and then having a horrible clay court season.

The schedule this year was wrong up til the French Open she played only tier 1's and 2's and never gave herself a chance of progressing, her ranking then was in the early 20's and in most of the tournaments she missed out on a seeding and was really unlucky in getting bad draws and then the big points came off from the French Open last year (and of course she would get the most dangerous unseeded player in the second round) and her ranking is outside of the top 30.

Onto Vienna and reached the quarter-finals but was injured the whole tournament which caused her to pull out of Rosmalen.

Grass has never been Babsi's best surface but it was a real surprise seeing her losing to Casanova, Babsi said, please note these are not excuses but what she said that she finds it difficult playing a player she has never seen before and that all the balls she was hitting were very deep.

The confidence was dwindling down after every loss early in the year, she had high expectations of this year and wanted to get back into the top 10.

So what is the problem?
Is she still suffering from the Bernoldi spilt-up?
Is it low confidence?
Is it injury?
or something else?

Because she is defintely having a bad year and she she shouldn't be where she is ranking-wise.

Sevenseas
Jul 12th, 2002, 01:44 PM
Let's call a friend at this point !
Irish !!! We need your information urgently ! ;)

:wavey:

Nimi
Jul 12th, 2002, 01:47 PM
her problem is her mental situation, she seems to be much more confident with a partner on court.

Robbie.
Jul 12th, 2002, 02:20 PM
I don't know what happened to Babsi :sad: For a fleeting few months in 1999 she looked a genuine top ten contender, and now.....

I agree with you that she has chosen a poor schedule this year, however I think there has been something wrong with Babsi for a long time. Something happened at the beginning of 2000 that totally swept her self belief and I don't know why. She began to choke away matches (particularly against ASV, at Oz Open and RG that year) and has never been the same. She is a talented shot maker - but unfortunately she fits firmly into the catergory of a B-Grade power player. She has her occassions of brilliance, (beating Venus at RG '01), but I think as well as her mental and physical failings she also doesn't have a particuarly good work ethic (wasn't there an article a month or two back about her cutting back her training sessions?). She has excepted her place in the order of things, she's a top 30 player, nothing more nothing less. She will probably be top 30 by years end.

Infiniti2001
Jul 12th, 2002, 03:04 PM
She was slumping a bit before 2001 , but ever since she beat Venus at Roland Garros it's gotten worse... Can you say the Venus curse???? :cool:

laj
Jul 12th, 2002, 03:04 PM
Barbara Schett-stick a fork in her, she is done!

babsi
Jul 12th, 2002, 05:40 PM
Tennisaddict I totally disagree with you, when I look at the top 30 I see Babsi being better than more than half of the players listed there, she is much better than her ranking is now. She is not a pure power player either, she does hit hard but she slices the backhand a lot. If players like Panova and Smashnova can get to where they are now with no weapons then I think Babsi can do the same.

We all know she is a very emotional player and any little thing she can lose concentration, for instance there were 3 matches this year that slowly dented her confidence.

Scottsdale - vs Capriati she was up 5-0 in the first set and then went on to lose the set 7-5

Indian Wells - vs Hantuchova was up a set and a break (this for me was the turning point in the year)

Miami - vs Dementieva was up a break in both sets.

She has under-achieved by a great deal, I don't know if she will ever get back in the top 10 but for sure she shouldn't be where she is now.

And I saw her against Serena last year in Toronto live and she had no trouble with Serena's pace at all, and you can't say that about many players.

Nimi
Jul 12th, 2002, 05:45 PM
oh god... another idiotic junior member...

Monica_Rules
Jul 12th, 2002, 05:48 PM
Somehting has happened to her she was doing great but the past year her play has been quite poor!

I hope she gets it together soon and can get back to the top 20

matthias
Jul 12th, 2002, 05:57 PM
i have this bad feeling Babsi Schett will follow Anke and will retire end of the year.

babsi
Jul 12th, 2002, 06:00 PM
Matthias, I think you could be right there, it has been on the cards all year to be honest. I just have this feeling that she has tried everything she could. I am desperate to get a copy of some quotes after todays match, if anyone has them please post them.

Last year Anke retired on the Sunday of Fed Cup in July, I hope that Babsi isn't a similar story.

To make myself feel better I think back to her really bad patches of 2000 in the clay season and hardcourt season and then in the clay season last year where she did really bad but then she beat Venus and got to the fourth round.

matthias
Jul 12th, 2002, 06:09 PM
yes she tried everything she could.
but wasnīt it a bad sign as she cancelled her fitness-programm?
how will she come back to the top20 without good fitness?
and i think it isnīt motivation for a former top10 player to be ranked around #30
and to play Qualifying
mabye she already retired (mentaly) and will just finish the season.

i donīt want depress you,

cause Anke was playing Qualifying in San Diego 1998 (?)
and it was the turning point for her, cause she was playing great after qualifying and she came back to the top15!

-Sonic-
Jul 12th, 2002, 06:10 PM
On court against Casanova she wasn't at all happy with herself, I was sitting next to her camp and she looked at them after just about every point and couldn't stop swearing, I thought it was possible she'd get a warning. Also annoying for her was that Casanova's camp were vocal in their encouragement, and both player's camps were right next to each other.

Freefall
Jul 12th, 2002, 08:03 PM
I remember Babsi went flying up the rankings, into the top ten & was doing very well. But then I heard she had some heart problems & was told to stop playing, until they could figure out what was wrong. She was pretty much out for a while ( A few months) & then after she was given the go ahead to return, she never did get back to playing as good as she did at 1st.


Maybe I'm dreaming this up, but I really do remember hearing she was having heart trouble right when she went away for a while, after breaking the top 10 & doing so well.

Irish
Jul 12th, 2002, 08:33 PM
:wavey:

Freefall, you are not dreaming. She did have a heart problem and I can't remember which year, 99 or 00, maybe. She stayed off the tour until she got the go ahead to come back. She also had some other health problems around that time also.

Babsi, I agree with you and it is so sad to see her in this huge slump. I expected her to win this match today, especially since she was h-to-h 5-0 against Ruano Pascual. The breakup in her relationship could be a big factor as she was not in the best of spirits with the breakup with Thomas.

I think if she does start in qualifying matches, she will get the play in and it may make her more motivated. I sure hope whatever the whole story is that it can be resolved for her.

:sad: :sad:

babsi
Jul 13th, 2002, 01:03 PM
Re. the heart problem was diagnosed after Hamburg in 2000 and originally it was diagnosed to be more serious that it was and that she would be off tour for 6 month plus, but she did play the French Open that year and seemed fine and Anke said last year that Babsi has no problems at all with her heart now.

What Babsi needs is some motivation push, something to change, she needs a new hitting partner (somebody like Capriati who will practice hard and give Babsi what she needs). When she plays doubles with Anna before the US Open (with Hingis being out I think they will play US Open as well now) Harold Solomon may give her a few tips to help her out because she will surely be practicing with Anna now.

Her fitness programme was too much in my opinion, 6-7 hours a day was too much, she was just tennis and nothing else, if she is not practing for most of the day then she can think of other things and be more relaxed on court instead of thinking tennis, tennis, tennis. 4 hours is enough.

And I think playing New Haven qualifying will be good for her, she can get some easy matches and some confidence ready for the US Open.

And I am thinking that Fed Cup could be a turning point, if Austria win that will her some confidence and then they could have a real chance to win it (that would have been unthinkable a few months ago)

Jay
Jul 13th, 2002, 02:20 PM
Hitting partner arrangements are very ad hoc. Players like Capriati etc usually hit with a guy. The rest of the tour usually pick someone on the day at the tournament.

The same goes with doubles arrangements (not counting the specialists or established partnerships like the Williams sisters). It's all very ad hoc.

9 times out of ten the players turn up at the beginning of the tourny and see who's available. A quick chat in the locker room or in the lounge and an agreement is reached. Very rarely do players or agents arrange partnerships weeks or even days in advance.

And I think you're right about 4 hours being more than enough.

Babsi still has the game to do well. On her day she can beat anyone but to be honest I think that she's too nice a person. She needs to get more angry and develop a more arrogant approach to her game and develop a killer instinct.

joneg2
Jul 13th, 2002, 02:48 PM
Jay...as always some poignant remarks. This board is lucky to have someone like you who is close enough to the tour to really know what's going on. Your information is always welcome!:wavey:

Irish
Jul 13th, 2002, 03:43 PM
Her hitting partner used to be Steffi Graf until she retired. And that is 'around the time' Babsi got to #7 in the world.

So I think having Jen Cap as a hitting partner would definitely be an asset. Plus, they are good friends...but Jen smartly would not tell Babsi any of her *secret* shots. ;) :D :wavey:

Jay
Jul 13th, 2002, 04:03 PM
Originally posted by joneg2
Jay...as always some poignant remarks. This board is lucky to have someone like you who is close enough to the tour to really know what's going on. Your information is always welcome!:wavey:

thanks but err........ I wouldn't say I was that close to the tour. Although Ive been to Wimbledon and other tournys before, this year's Wimbledon was the first time I was 'backstage' and it was only for a week and a bit but yeah it was a crash course in what goes on. I didn't watch a lot of tennis as I spent most of my time talking to press and players etc and just generally trying to get up to no good ;)

joneg2
Jul 14th, 2002, 06:54 AM
Jay... that's close enough! Most of the posters here never get a chance to spend 30 minutes "backstage" let alone a whole week!

...and at Wimbledon of all places!

babsi
Jul 14th, 2002, 11:57 AM
Before this topic turns into another Wimbledon report when the topic line says 'Barbara Schett's current form'

Capriati practices with many players, she has practiced with Babsi in the past and also Hingis.

Normally if you play doubles with a partner you practice with them.

Jay
Jul 14th, 2002, 12:03 PM
Babsi, you are a very weird and bitter person.

babsi
Jul 14th, 2002, 12:06 PM
You know nothing about me, I do a topic on my favourite player and you come in and you make the topic into one of your 'Wimbledon reports' when it is not the topic.

I mention about Practice/Hitting partners (they are 2 different things btw) and you find an angle to jump on and talk about what happened at Wimbledon this year.

I saw this yesterday and I left it as I didn't want to become involved in anything with you because I know you would resort to personal attacks but I thought I would because I am sick of this board when you are unable to talk about tennis and players without it getting personal and turning into a fight.

MLF
Jul 14th, 2002, 12:08 PM
Babsi's form is a strange one. I was courtside for the Cara Black match and there is no doubt that she still hits a lovely ball.
I think in some matches on the tour that I've seen her play that her main problem can be attitude. She gets down on her self too easily and often is not prepared to put up a great fight. Of course that might be stemming from a bout of getting a bit bored on the tour. Maybe she needs a break to get her enthusiasm back. Hopefully if she and Anna start winning doubles matches and getting to the final stages of tournaments that will be an incentive for both to push on.

Jay
Jul 14th, 2002, 12:16 PM
Threads often stray off topic.

What the hell is so special about your threads ?

I know why you have always been bitter towards me and I know that I made things worse when I published an article attacking your precious Octagon.

By the way, I'm not the only one who has noticed that you have a self righteous attitude problem.

If are sick of this board (which I fully believe) then why don't you retire from it ? and contining posting on your message board on your babsi site (90% of which are posts to yourself)

babsi
Jul 14th, 2002, 12:23 PM
I post a topic and I don't want to hear about your Wimbledon experience for the 456th time, topics go off-topic but not to the extent you have made it.

And you have no clue about Octagon, how could you have made things worse?

You attack me when all your posts are attention-seeking ones for people to say how wonderful you are when I would rather talk about tennis which I have never seen you post on, I could ask you a million things about Jelena's game and you wouldn't know, you first saw her her play at Wimbledon this year and have been running a site on her for over 6 months.

You obviously don't like my site, and all feedback is welcome.

Jay
Jul 14th, 2002, 12:34 PM
I know you don't want to hear about my Wimbledon experiences and I know the reason why.

Anyway, I didn't actually stray your thread off topic. I was actually responding to other points raised by other posters.

And it's a bit rich you calling me attention seeking. I've lost count of the amounts of times you're jumping into threads bragging about your 'contact' with Octagon or telling people about the bandwidth issues of websites when clearly no one gives a shit.

Funny enough, I actually like your site. I think it's a better website then the official one. I even linked to one of your articles when I wrote my 'Beauty and the Beast' article.

babsi
Jul 14th, 2002, 12:39 PM
I have mentioned once, twice at the most, about Octagon, how many times have you mentioned about Jelena-online.com the official site??...You win the award for 'bragging'.

So you know all about practice/hitting partners from going to how many tournaments and seeing what happens for yourself (This year I haven't been to any for various reasons so maybe I am not the right person to talk about this but I have been to tournaments in the past and I do know what goes on), so you are not the only poster on this board who knows about this topic.

And don't link to my site in future, I saw that and ignored that, but I don't want my site to become involved in all of that, I am happy with the way things are.

babsi
Jul 14th, 2002, 12:47 PM
http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20889&highlight=octagon

http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17907&highlight=octagon

2 thread about me mentioning Octagon that is hardly bragging and compared to you mentioned your site being the official one and you meeting all of the players that is nothing.

Bandwidth isn't a problem for you because I am sure Jelena pays for a very good host, doesn't she?

Jay
Jul 14th, 2002, 01:38 PM
what a load of bollocks !

I've just got into the office and I'll reply to all of this in full after I've got some work out of the way.

Jay
Jul 14th, 2002, 02:32 PM
I have never bragged about the Jelena site being official. In fact, we have been very low key about it. We never made any 'official' announcement. Even the official notice on our site is just a simply line of text which is easily missed. I bet if your site became official there would be a massive banner advertising it.

And I wasn't 'bragging' about meeting the players. I was just reporting what happened, reports which went down very well with most of the posters on this board but not with yourself the reasons for which are obvious.

From day one you have been hostile towards me and the site. Even recently during Eastbourne or Birmingham when I PM you with an apologetic confirmation of the Bernoldi rumour, something I really shouldn't have done but I did it because you showed concern into how it might effect Babsi's form in a thread that you started. You didn't even give me an acknowledgement or a simple 'thanks for the info'. No, because you resent the fact that I had inside information and that I am an internet newbie and also clueless about tennis and yet within a few months I have acheived something that you have craved for ages ie some sort of official connection with your fav.

You haven't got that with the player herself so the next best thing is the player's agent and that's why you make it known to the board that you are in contact with Octagon even though no one is interested. Besides, a connection with Octagon is hardly something worth bragging about. They are not held in high regard by most of the Tour. There's been no shortage of atheltes (not just tennis players) who have either been in dispute or walked away from them or who want to walk away but can't because they are under contract.

Anyway, you'll be pleased to know that what you are so envious over I am probably going to give up.

As for the webhost, Jelena doesn't pay for a thing. The total revenue that we receive from advertising, donations and links from those large Yugoslavian websites is ZERO.

I pay for the bandwidth and the message board (which btw, I know you signed up for to take advantage of our SMS service and then cancelled it straight away probably because you didn't like the idea of us having your mobile number, like we give a toss) and Howie pays for everything else.

And don't link to your site ? wtf? this is the internet, the whole thing is based upon free linking to other sites. That's another example of your arrogance that you think you have the right to dictate who does and who doesn't link to your site.

babsi
Jul 14th, 2002, 02:51 PM
I NEVER signed up for your SMS service, that is a complete lie.

And so what that I didn't reply to you, I just didn't want to have any contact with you, simple.

And I didn't want the link because I didn't want to get my involved in all of that mess (something I didn't finish reading as I had zero interest in it).

And I didn't pay much attention to your reports because they missed the one thing that interests me and that is tennis and how the players are playing.

I enjoy doing my site, nothing else bothers me and you can make as many assumptions as you like about how I feel, but they are based on nothing, you don't know me and you never will.

Jay
Jul 14th, 2002, 03:09 PM
You didnt sign up for the SMS but you did sign up for the board (which was a precondition for signing up to the SMS) and then cancelled it. Even though you cancelled it your details like your name etc still remained in the admin part of the board (don't worry I deleted it, like I said we don't give a toss about ppl's identity etc.)

and you didn't finish reading an article that concerned Barbara Schett ? whatever.

The reason I linked to your article was to balance my article in that I wanted to show that Barbara was an innocent party to that mess.

And I won't make any more assumptions about you. I'm sure everyone else will though.

babsi
Jul 14th, 2002, 03:23 PM
I never signed up for your board there is really nothing of interest to me on that board, why would someone who doesn't like Jelena be interested in what her fans say? And you can write down my mobile number if you like, it doesn't bother me as it not mine, you can think whatever you like

I hardly read your Wimbledon reports, I skimmed through them, if you were talking about actual tennis I would have been more interested. It was just the same things and I got bored. Nothing on this board holds my attention for too long.

People can think what they like of me here, and I am sure there are people who make assumptions about you (not that you care).

Oh yeah, wasn't it around January/February time that you said the site was official when it clearly wasn't then?

So if you have been caught on one lie then what about everything else you have said.

Jay
Jul 14th, 2002, 03:32 PM
I haven't been caught out in any lie. And you did sign up for the board because at the time we announced that the first SMS test had worked in that we gave out our first results being the Jelena result and the Babsi result. It was that which interested you, the SMS service, not the taken part in the board. As I said I saw your details like your name and so on in the admin section and they didn't get there by accident. Whatever, I'm not going to argue about it, it can't be proved now because I deleted it.

And I NEVER said the site was official in Feb or at any time. Although we had contact with the Dokics for a long while before we made it known we kept that close to our chests. I think Rosh might have jumped the gun and said something but I certainly didn't.