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selesbooz
Aug 22nd, 2007, 09:36 PM
Just got home from work and i so happy right now.

Justine and Serena in the same Quarter:devil: :haha:
Venus and Ana in the same Quarter:lol:
All four in the same half and Jankovic:drool:
Masha and Nicole in the same Quarter:kiss: I have been waiting for ever.:bounce:

It's just beautiful.:worship:

Nicolás89
Aug 22nd, 2007, 09:41 PM
you wont be happy when martina gets to the 4r. :wavey:

selesbooz
Aug 22nd, 2007, 09:44 PM
you wont be happy when martina gets to the 4r. :wavey:

My bad, I didn't even look her up. I started at the top and saw thoes other :tape: , and forgot all about her.:lol:

DragonFlame
Aug 22nd, 2007, 09:48 PM
Just got home from work and i so happy right now.

Justine and Serena in the same Quarter:devil: :haha:
Venus and Ana in the same Quarter:lol:
All four in the same half and Jankovic:drool:
Masha and Nicole in the same Quarter:kiss: I have been waiting for ever.:bounce:

It's just beautiful.:worship:

yeah off course you're happy. Any sharapova fan is dancing his/her heart out with those cakewalk draws. She's getting to the final:rolleyes: She will end up getting at least 700 final points to secure her ranking. How nice.. She could end up #2 or #3 in the race after the usopen while doing absolutely NOTHING this year. Only her cakewalk draws are keeping her ranking up.

Tennisstar86
Aug 22nd, 2007, 09:51 PM
yeah off course you're happy. Any sharapova fan is dancing his/her heart out with those cakewalk draws. She's getting to the final:rolleyes: She will end up getting at least 700 final points to secure her ranking. How nice.. She could end up #2 or #3 in the race after the usopen while doing absolutely NOTHING this year. Only her cakewalk draws are keeping her ranking up.

I predict she loses to Vaidisova 4th round... that is if she makes it there...

DownTheLine21
Aug 22nd, 2007, 09:54 PM
yeah off course you're happy. Any sharapova fan is dancing his/her heart out with those cakewalk draws. She's getting to the final:rolleyes: She will end up getting at least 700 final points to secure her ranking. How nice.. She could end up #2 or #3 in the race after the usopen while doing absolutely NOTHING this year. Only her cakewalk draws are keeping her ranking up.

Somewhat true, considering she's failed in the somewhat difficult draws she's had this year, i.e. Miami and Wimbledon

sfselesfan
Aug 22nd, 2007, 09:55 PM
I actually prefer unbalanced draws because it makes the first weekend less mind numbing. I appreciate seeing matches that rise to the level of a final or a semifinal in the 4R or QF.

SF

Shepster
Aug 22nd, 2007, 09:55 PM
She could end up #2 or #3 in the race after the usopen while doing absolutely NOTHING this year. Only her cakewalk draws are keeping her ranking up.
a/ getting to the finals of 2 slams would constitute "doing absolutely NOTHING"?
b/ if the "cakewalk draws" (:bs:) are keeping her ranking up then why is it that the extremely difficult Miami and Wimbledon draws are a big reason why she doesn't have *more* points than she already does?

faboozadoo15
Aug 22nd, 2007, 09:56 PM
I actually prefer unbalanced draws because it makes the first weekend less mind numbing. I appreciate seeing matches that rise to the level of a final or a semifinal in the 4R or QF.

SF

Yes, with an unbalanced draw, there's always a good match going on that could have easily been played rounds later given the form of the two players playing it.

selesbooz
Aug 22nd, 2007, 09:57 PM
Masha had a pretty tough draw.
Nicole
Patty:tape:
Anna. Poor Anna:sad:
Razzano
Rad(SP) chick
If she get past them she'll be alright.

This is what happen when you win the US Open series. :lol:
Next year they will know:haha:

NeeemZ
Aug 22nd, 2007, 09:58 PM
Ivanovic V Venus 4th Round should be good. 5 of the 6 real open contenders are in the top haf of the draw, whereas Sharapova is the only main contender in the bottom half.

DragonFlame
Aug 22nd, 2007, 10:09 PM
Somewhat true, considering she's failed in the somewhat difficult draws she's had this year, i.e. Miami and Wimbledon

exactly, she failed in the difficult draws and gets points because of the easy draws. She is better then most but when she ended up playing against 1 of the great and in-form players she loses. She lost to ivanovic(0-2), serena(0-2,)venus(1-1) and jankovic(0-1) Who all have had a better year then her but she could end up higher in the race then most of them because of some cakewalk draws.

Major points for sharapova:

San Diego No opposition for her.
French Open SF:help:
Australian Open i give her credit for beating clijsters, that was a good win but

she owns Chackvetadze and somehow always seems to end up getting her in her draws. In all these draws this year where she got major points she has beaten Chackvetadze.

It's just incredible to think that she could actually hold the no.2 ranking untill the end of the year.

If she gets whooped again in the usopen final by serena,venus,justine,ana or jelena we will all know her ranking is this way because of her easy draws.

Bruno71
Aug 22nd, 2007, 10:12 PM
What a shitty US Open draw.

Tennisstar86
Aug 22nd, 2007, 10:14 PM
exactly, she failed in the difficult draws and gets points because of the easy draws. She is better then most but when she ended up playing against 1 of the great and in-form players she loses. She lost to ivanovic(0-2), serena(0-2,)venus(1-1) and jankovic(0-1) Who all have had a better year then her but she could end up higher in the race then most of them because of some cakewalk draws.

Major points for sharapova:

San Diego No opposition for her.
French Open SF:help:
Australian Open i give her credit for beating clijsters, that was a good win but

she owns Chackvetadze and somehow always seems to end up getting her in her draws. In all these draws this year where she got major points she has beaten Chackvetadze.

It's just incredible to think that she could actually hold the no.2 ranking untill the end of the year.

If she gets whooped again in the usopen final by serena,venus,justine,ana or jelena we will all know her ranking is this way because of her easy draws.

Clijsters was really not that great a win.. did you see that match? Kim was practically already pregnant it was clear she didnt want to be on the court and I for one was not shocked it was her last Grand slam......

Bijoux0021
Aug 22nd, 2007, 10:16 PM
yeah off course you're happy. Any sharapova fan is dancing his/her heart out with those cakewalk draws. She's getting to the final:rolleyes: She will end up getting at least 700 final points to secure her ranking. How nice.. She could end up #2 or #3 in the race after the usopen while doing absolutely NOTHING this year. Only her cakewalk draws are keeping her ranking up.
DITTO!

DragonFlame
Aug 22nd, 2007, 10:18 PM
a/ getting to the finals of 2 slams would constitute "doing absolutely NOTHING"?

With the draw she has at the open now i'd be gutted if she doesn't make the final. She has all the out of form players and the players she can easily beat consecutivly in her half of the draw. The 5 players that can actually challenge her are in the other half.:rolleyes:


b/ if the "cakewalk draws" (:bs:) are keeping her ranking up then why is it that the extremely difficult Miami and Wimbledon draws are a big reason why she doesn't have *more* points than she already does?

She has points because of 3 results where she beat people she should beat for 1 exception and that is clijsters at the AO. And now she can defend most of her usopen points by beating the people she can beat comfortable and ends op in the usopenfinal for godsakes:confused:

DownTheLine21
Aug 22nd, 2007, 10:18 PM
she owns Chackvetadze and somehow always seems to end up getting her in her draws. In all these draws this year where she got major points she has beaten Chackvetadze.

Yeah, I didn't even realize that she could face Chakvetadze in a GS QF for the third time this year.

Shepster
Aug 22nd, 2007, 10:19 PM
she owns Chackvetadze and somehow always seems to end up getting her in her draws. In all these draws this year where she got major points she has beaten Chackvetadze.
Thank you for proving your ignorance. She got Chakvetadze in those draws because the people she was DRAWN against didn't get through. She DREW Mauresmo in the 1/4 at the French, she DREW Ivanovic in the 4th round in Australia - neither got through and that doesn't mean she had a bad DRAW, rather other people didn't play up to standard. Very different things.

DragonFlame
Aug 22nd, 2007, 10:25 PM
Thank you for proving your ignorance. She got Chakvetadze in those draws because the people she was DRAWN against didn't get through. She DREW Mauresmo in the 1/4 at the French, she DREW Ivanovic in the 4th round in Australia - neither got through and that doesn't mean she had a bad DRAW, rather other people didn't play up to standard. Very different things.

mauresmo at the french:lol: :tape: not even going there.

My point is that when she ends up playing one of the five players that can challenge her(justine,venus,serena,ana,jelena) she was beaten. When there are 5 players having a better year then you you can't end up #2 in the race. And ending up having all those 5 players/favourites in the other half of your draw where you're defending grandslamwinpoints IS cakewalk.

danieln1
Aug 22nd, 2007, 10:31 PM
I just realized, tihs draw is SO terrible to williams, henin, jankovic, ivanovic fans and great for Maria/Martina fans, so i loved this draw too!! ueahuhahuaehuaeheahuaehahahaha

moon
Aug 22nd, 2007, 10:32 PM
Maybe we'll get lucky and Chaky will make a match of it.

Shepster
Aug 22nd, 2007, 10:33 PM
mauresmo at the french:lol: :tape: not even going there.
You do realise she was seeded #2 - she could only have got Mauresmo, Serena, Ana or Vaidisova in her quarter. Nicole on clay? Bet your ass that's the easiest given her form at the time.

My point is that when she ends up playing one of the five players that can challenge her(justine,venus,serena,ana,jelena) she was beaten.
And that has nothing to do with past draws because a/ she can't draw Justine and b/ she's had Venus and serena early in key draws which is incredibly difficult and c/ she has to lose to someone so why not the best players?
And ending up having all those 5 players/favourites in the other half of your draw where you're defending grandslamwinpoints IS cakewalk.
Yeah, *this* one is easier (it is not, however, the easiest of the top 4 seeds, which would be Kuznetsova) - if you compare who she DREW rather than who she ended up playing you'll realise this is her first "easy" grand slam draw since Wimbledon 06. This one having the 5 other favourites in the other half doesn't magically make the previous 4 the same.

Bruno71
Aug 22nd, 2007, 10:38 PM
You do realise she was seeded #2 - she could only have got Mauresmo, Serena, Ana or Vaidisova in her quarter. Nicole on clay? Bet your ass that's the easiest given her form at the time.

Are you saying Nicole was an easier seed to draw at RG this year than Mauresmo based on form coming in, or that she's bad on clay? Not sure if I'm understanding this correctly.

thrust
Aug 22nd, 2007, 10:43 PM
There has to be a better system for setting up these draws. This USO draw is not only unfair, but stupid! To put all the top players of the year in one half makes no sense at all. In the USO,which is the last Slam of the season, perhaps a #1,3,5,7,9 should be in one half and 2,4,6,8,10 in the other half-not ranking points but Race points.

simba
Aug 22nd, 2007, 10:44 PM
may petrova or kuzzie will make me proud this year.

selesbooz
Aug 22nd, 2007, 10:45 PM
There has to be a better system for setting up these draws. This USO draw is not only unfair, but stupid! To put all the top players of the year in one half makes no sense at all. In the USO,which is the last Slam of the season, perhaps a #1,3,5,7,9 should be in one half and 2,4,6,8,10 in the other half-not ranking points but Race points.

Blame players for not playing and claiming that they are injured.:rolleyes:

DragonFlame
Aug 22nd, 2007, 10:48 PM
You do realise she was seeded #2 - she could only have got Mauresmo, Serena, Ana or Vaidisova in her quarter. Nicole on clay? Bet your ass that's the easiest given her form at the time.

Nicole was defending Semifinal points and was winning every match in straight sets untill she got to an inform jankovic! That would have been a bigger challenge. Mauresmo has been out of form because of her surgery and it was at the french. She never does well at the french. Getting mauresmo as her opponent was the best she could get at the french. It was a cakewalk.


And that has nothing to do with past draws because a/ she can't draw Justine and b/ she's had Venus and serena early in key draws which is incredibly difficult and c/ she has to lose to someone so why not the best players?


When there are 5 players having a better year then you you can't end up #2,#3 in the race without cakewalk draws.

Shepster
Aug 22nd, 2007, 10:49 PM
Are you saying Nicole was an easier seed to draw at RG this year than Mauresmo based on form coming in, or that she's bad on clay? Not sure if I'm understanding this correctly.
She'd lost in the first round of the only tournament she played on clay whereas Amelie had got to a final, albeit Tier III. You could argue it on career on clay too. Prior to this year's FO Vaidisova had a 22-10 record on clay. Quickly scanning Amelie's clay record over the past 5 years is 54-14.

Donny
Aug 22nd, 2007, 10:50 PM
She'd lost in the first round of the only tournament she played on clay whereas Amelie had got to a final, albeit Tier III. You could argue it on career on clay too. Prior to this year's FO Vaidisova had a 22-10 record on clay. Quickly scanning Amelie's clay record over the past 5 years is 54-14.

Didn't Vaidisova get to the semis of the FO last year?

Bruno71
Aug 22nd, 2007, 10:52 PM
She'd lost in the first round of the only tournament she played on clay whereas Amelie had got to a final, albeit Tier III. You could argue it on career on clay too. Prior to this year's FO Vaidisova had a 22-10 record on clay. Quickly scanning Amelie's clay record over the past 5 years is 54-14.

They both had injuries coming in so I think that's even. Nicole was more of a question mark because she'd been out in the few weeks previous, while Amelie had solidly shown that she was nowhere near in form, losing to AMG. Previous years in my mind are fairly irrelevant, especially when players are not in form. Nicole made the semis of RG last year, after having won Strasbourg, and beating Amelie, are you forgetting that? She plays very well on clay, and ended up further proving it at RG this year.

I WISH Amelie had been more of a threat at RG this year.

Shepster
Aug 22nd, 2007, 10:54 PM
When there are 5 players having a better year then you you can't end up #2,#3 without cakewalk draws.
Facts do not support your assertion seeing as she has been scheduled to meet one of those 5 players at the LAST 16 stage in two of the 4 grand slams this year. ;)

heytennis
Aug 22nd, 2007, 10:58 PM
It's a terrible draw. Only good thing is we finally have Vaidisova vs Sharapova hopefully.

Shepster
Aug 22nd, 2007, 11:00 PM
They both had injuries coming in so I think that's even. Nicole was more of a question mark because she'd been out in the few weeks previous, while Amelie had solidly shown that she was nowhere near in form, losing to AMG.
Mmm, overall though Amelie's win/loss just at RG (25-12) with very poor results early in her career was still not that far away from Nicole's career clay record at the time.
Previous years in my mind are fairly irrelevant, especially when players are not in form.
Venus? Wimbledon? ;)
Nicole made the semis of RG last year, after having won Strasbourg, and beating Amelie, are you forgetting that? She plays very well on clay, and ended up further proving it at RG this year.
That though is the only time she's played well on clay. I wouldn't call Marion Bartoli a grass court specialist next year at Wimbledon because she had one good year the year before.
I WISH Amelie had been more of a threat at RG this year.
Me too. I never like to see quality players underperform, especially at their home slam.

DragonFlame
Aug 22nd, 2007, 11:06 PM
Facts do not support your assertion seeing as she has been scheduled to meet one of those 5 players at the LAST 16 stage in two of the 4 grand slams this year. ;)

Facts do.
Her record when she meets one of those 5 is 1-6 this year:tape:
She got her major points this year from a cakewalk frenchdraw, aussieopen when she was stopped by one of the 5 players(serena) and san diego. She only has 3 tournaments where she got more then 200 points. That says more then enough. It doesn't deserve a #2 or #3 ranking in the race. And this is what she will get after the usopen with her cakewalk draw pulling in 700 points.

Harvs
Aug 22nd, 2007, 11:09 PM
yeah off course you're happy. Any sharapova fan is dancing his/her heart out with those cakewalk draws. She's getting to the final:rolleyes: She will end up getting at least 700 final points to secure her ranking. How nice.. She could end up #2 or #3 in the race after the usopen while doing absolutely NOTHING this year. Only her cakewalk draws are keeping her ranking up.

what a stupid comment.

Shepster
Aug 22nd, 2007, 11:09 PM
Didn't Vaidisova get to the semis of the FO last year?
Likhotseva made the semis the year before that...

Bruno71
Aug 22nd, 2007, 11:10 PM
Mmm, overall though Amelie's win/loss just at RG (25-12) with very poor results early in her career was still not that far away from Nicole's career clay record at the time.

Seems strange to compare overall clay record to record at one event. In any case, young Nicole's clay record was on the upswing, while Amelie's was on the down coming into RG this year.


Venus? Wimbledon? ;)

I may be in the minority, but I didn't think Venus was that off her form coming into Wimby this year. Maybe not in her very best form, but she was playing well for the most part (won a title in Memphis) and looked poised for a good run. Losing to the #4 player in the world does not in and of itself indicate being way off form. Besides, with Venus, it's never about how she's playing outside of Wimbledon, she's a true exception.

That though is the only time she's played well on clay. I wouldn't call Marion Bartoli a grass court specialist next year at Wimbledon because she had one good year the year before..

I don't know about specialist, but I expect Marion to be a force on grass from hereon in. Which doesn't mean she's not prone to an upset, but her game is well-suited and she's a tough out for just about anyone on the surface. I actually think Marion is more of a grass court specialist than Nicole is a clay court specialist. Nicole is relatively strong on all surfaces, but not a specialist on any.

Tennisstar86
Aug 22nd, 2007, 11:10 PM
Likhotseva made the semis the year before that...

hey hey... lol likhotseva use to be a semi dangerous player.....

moon
Aug 22nd, 2007, 11:10 PM
I bet Sharapova is doing cartwheels down the street!

Kworb
Aug 22nd, 2007, 11:12 PM
Sharapova has to beat Vaidisova, #6 Chakvetadze and #4 Kuznetsova to get to the final.. I don't think it's a cakewalk

Tennisstar86
Aug 22nd, 2007, 11:14 PM
I don't know about specialist, but I expect Marion to be a force on grass from hereon in. Which doesn't mean she's not prone to an upset, but her game is well-suited and she's a tough out for just about anyone on the surface. I actually think Marion is more of a grass court specialist than Nicole is a clay court specialist. Nicole is relatively strong on all surfaces, but not a specialist on any.

I agree with that.... She was very agressive at wimbledon... I dont know if she'll ever make another final.... but as she said about Venus she hit shots that most players wouldnt get to.... its not a fluke that she got to the 2nd week..... finals? lets just say some people choked...

Tennisstar86
Aug 22nd, 2007, 11:15 PM
Sharapova has to beat Vaidisova, #6 Chakvetadze and #4 Kuznetsova to get to the final.. I don't think it's a cakewalk

Sharpova has to beat players she can beat/ has beaten and are only dangerous... not true title contenders.... everyone else is in the other side of the draw.... to say she doesnt have a cake walk this us open.... means your clearly deluded..... Hingis fans are jumping for joy why are sharapova fans so quick to claim her draw is tough?

Kim's_fan_4ever
Aug 22nd, 2007, 11:15 PM
Facts do.
Her record when she meets one of those 5 is 1-6 this year:tape:
She got her major points this year from a cakewalk frenchdraw, aussieopen when she was stopped by one of the 5 players(serena) and san diego. She only has 3 tournaments where she got more then 200 points. That says more then enough. It doesn't deserve a #2 or #3 ranking in the race. And this is what she will get after the usopen with her cakewalk draw pulling in 700 points.

Honestly, why do you even care?
You are obsessed or what? :tape:

DragonFlame
Aug 22nd, 2007, 11:19 PM
Honestly, why do you even care?

i care because someone is undeservingly getting to a grandslamfinal in 2 and a half week and thus ranked higher then should be. :(

Kworb
Aug 22nd, 2007, 11:20 PM
Sharpova has to beat players she can beat/ has beaten and are only dangerous... not true title contenders.... everyone else is in the other side of the draw.... to say she doesnt have a cake walk this us open.... means your clearly deluded..... Hingis fans are jumping for joy why are sharapova fans so quick to claim her draw is tough?
I don't see why people are underestimating Chakvetadze and Kuznetsova. The Serbians aren't that much tougher. Yes the top half has the Williams sisters but let's see if it's hit or miss for them next week before we assume anything.

Kim's_fan_4ever
Aug 22nd, 2007, 11:24 PM
i care because someone is undeservingly getting to a grandslamfinal in 2 and a half week and thus ranked higher then should be. :(

It's not her fault that she gets relatively easy draws :shrug:
And please don't tell me that she doesn't deserve the #2 spot because she clearly does. She won USO last year, she reached the final of AO and was in semis of RG on her worst surface.

Tennisstar86
Aug 22nd, 2007, 11:26 PM
I don't see why people are underestimating Chakvetadze and Kuznetsova. The Serbians aren't that much tougher. Yes the top half has the Williams sisters but let's see if it's hit or miss for them next week before we assume anything.

Maybe you should watch some matches other than sharapovas.... Chakvedatkze is the only top ten player Sharapova has wins over this year (minus Kim who is retired and was practically retired when they play)

And Kuznetsova is the other top 5 player who hasnt really beaten anyone yet has gotten lucky draws and ended up high in the seeding... I just checked her activity and wow.... its worse than sharapovas....

Pasta-Na
Aug 22nd, 2007, 11:28 PM
y u guys are sure nicole will reach R3? :p

DragonFlame
Aug 22nd, 2007, 11:29 PM
I don't see why people are underestimating Chakvetadze and Kuznetsova. The Serbians aren't that much tougher. Yes the top half has the Williams sisters but let's see if it's hit or miss for them next week before we assume anything.

The serbians aren't much tougher:help: Have you looked at tennis at all this year?
Besides Sharapova is 0-2 and 0-1 versus ivanovic and jankovic this year while she's 3-0 against chackvetadze and kuznetsova has been consistently losing to the serbians all year.

Kworb
Aug 22nd, 2007, 11:30 PM
Maybe you should watch some matches other than sharapovas.... Chakvedatkze is the only top ten player Sharapova has wins over this year (minus Kim who is retired and was practically retired when they play)

And Kuznetsova is the other top 5 player who hasnt really beaten anyone yet has gotten lucky draws and ended up high in the seeding... I just checked her activity and wow.... its worse than sharapovas....
Kuznetsova reached three Tier I finals this year. She has the goods to beat anyone if she's on. Sharapova hasn't played a healthy Chakvetadze this year. And I'm pretty sure she won't like it when she does.

Kworb
Aug 22nd, 2007, 11:33 PM
The serbians aren't much tougher:help: Have you looked at tennis at all this year?
Besides Sharapova is 0-2 and 0-1 versus ivanovic and jankovic this year while she's 3-0 against chackvetadze and kuznetsova has been consistently losing to the serbians all year.
Her losses to the Serbians were before the summer hardcourt season, she played like crap from the AO final up until Wimbledon.

Shepster
Aug 22nd, 2007, 11:35 PM
Seems strange to compare overall clay record to record at one event. In any case, young Nicole's clay record was on the upswing, while Amelie's was on the down coming into RG this year.
Okay, Nicole's 3 years at RG = 8-3, Amelie's previous 3 years at RG = 9-3... :shrug: I'm always reluctant to use one year's breakout performance to assume it will be replicated, it's the Hantuchova fan in me ;)
I may be in the minority, but I didn't think Venus was that off her form coming into Wimby this year. Maybe not in her very best form, but she was playing well for the most part (won a title in Memphis) and looked poised for a good run. Losing to the #4 player in the world does not in and of itself indicate being way off form. Besides, with Venus, it's never about how she's playing outside of Wimbledon, she's a true exception.
Totally agree with Venus being an exception, but on her form, Memphis was her first tournament of the year - after that she was on a 14-6 run which for her is not what we expect and she was 0-4 against top 10 players. Then she got on the grass and kicked ass... :worship:
I actually think Marion is more of a grass court specialist than Nicole is a clay court specialist. Nicole is relatively strong on all surfaces, but not a specialist on any.
Well, her hardcourt record is much more impressive... 83-24 from a quick totting up of the her WTA record and 5 of her 6 tournament wins have been on hard.

Bruno71
Aug 22nd, 2007, 11:37 PM
Well, her hardcourt record is much more impressive... 83-24 from a quick totting up of the her WTA record and 5 of her 6 tournament wins have been on hard.

Just curious...the hardcourt record was mostly padded at Tier III's and the like, right? I never recall a major hardcourt tourney where Marion particularly excelled against top competition. I know she's beaten a few here & there like Safina, but...

DragonFlame
Aug 22nd, 2007, 11:38 PM
It's not her fault that she gets relatively easy draws :shrug:


But when there are 5 players having a better year then her and are beating her consecutively she shouldn't be world#2. It just isn't possible without easy draws. And that's why things need to be put into perspective. If she doesn't win the open(losing in the final to one of the 5 players i mentioned before) and ends up being ranked higher then most of them i do not think she deserves the #2 ranking. Cause if those other five favourites keep stomping eachother in the early rounds for less points while she undesturbingly gets finalpoints i do not find it deserving it all. They could be better then sharapova but still be ranked lower and to say sharapova deserves her ranking then is rediculous.

Andy.
Aug 22nd, 2007, 11:40 PM
Im definatly not complaining

DragonFlame
Aug 22nd, 2007, 11:40 PM
Her losses to the Serbians were before the summer hardcourt season, she played like crap from the AO final up until Wimbledon.

and still she's ranked #2, don't you see it?:rolleyes:

Kworb
Aug 22nd, 2007, 11:41 PM
and still she's ranked #2, don't you see it?:rolleyes:
She's the reigning US Open champion :confused:

Shepster
Aug 22nd, 2007, 11:41 PM
Just curious...the hardcourt record was mostly padded at Tier III's and the like, right? I never recall a major hardcourt tourney where Marion particularly excelled against top competition. I know she's beaten a few here & there like Safina, but...
Oh, crosswires, lol, those are Nicole's stats on hard... but yeah, there's a lot of Tier III and lower over it. Works both ways though, her Strasbourg win pads out her clay stats.

Shepster
Aug 22nd, 2007, 11:43 PM
But when there are 5 players having a better year then her and are beating her consecutively she shouldn't be world#2. It just isn't possible without easy draws.
So Sharapova having better records against top 20 players this year than Jankovic, Ivanovic AND Venus has nothing to do with why she's ranked higher?

Tennisstar86
Aug 22nd, 2007, 11:43 PM
and still she's ranked #2, don't you see it?:rolleyes:

sadly... Im sure they dont......:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Bruno71
Aug 22nd, 2007, 11:45 PM
Oh, crosswires, lol, those are Nicole's stats on hard... but yeah, there's a lot of Tier III and lower over it. Works both ways though, her Strasbourg win pads out her clay stats.

Definitely. That's why I don't pay that much attention to win-loss records on a surface...especially when the player is young and may not have reached their peak on that surface or in general.

The reason I think Marion could be a grass-court dynamo is because of what I saw with my own eyes. And I definitely see a very good clay court player in Nicole. Amelie just isn't having a great time of it lately anywhere, but on clay it seems to be a worse situation, and on top of that, esp. at RG.

Matt01
Aug 23rd, 2007, 12:02 AM
It really sucks to have another potential Serena-Justine quarterfinal, and yes, sadly Pova has a realatively easiy draw. The top half is tougher than bottom half.

However, there are also some positives:

Hingis' draw looks good.
Dani's draw looks good (she has to overcome Vakulenko in 1R round, though, could be tricky...)
And: The two Devilsovas (I mean Vaidisova and Sharapova) could already meet in 4R which means one of them won't even reach the quarterfinals :devil:

DragonFlame
Aug 23rd, 2007, 12:02 AM
So Sharapova having better records against top 20 players this year than Jankovic, Ivanovic AND Venus has nothing to do with why she's ranked higher?

Not at all. There are only 3 tournaments this year where she won more then 200 points. The 4th being added in 2and a half week. Because of the easy draw she gets at the open she still has a good chance of maintaining that #2 ranking. If she didn't have that easy draw she would never even had a chance of keeping it. She's 1135 points behind jankovic in the race. If jankovic loses against ivanovic in the Quarter(wich is possible, like i said before. The 5 favourites killing eachother off in earlier rounds.) sharapova would only be 685 points behind.

Kworb
Aug 23rd, 2007, 12:11 AM
Not at all. There are only 3 tournaments this year where she won more then 200 points. The 4th being added in 2and a half week. Because of the easy draw she gets at the open she still has a good chance of maintaining that #2 ranking. If she didn't have that easy draw she would never even had a chance of keeping it. She's 1135 points behind jankovic in the race. If jankovic loses against ivanovic in the Quarter(wich is possible, like i said before. The 5 favourites killing eachother off in earlier rounds.) sharapova would only be 685 points behind.
It's not like all of Jankovic's draws were so difficult. :rolleyes:

Sharapova currently holds a GS, GS final, GS semi and two Tier I. Why should Jankovic with her two GS semi and two Tier I be ranked above her?

Shepster
Aug 23rd, 2007, 12:12 AM
Definitely. That's why I don't pay that much attention to win-loss records on a surface...especially when the player is young and may not have reached their peak on that surface or in general.

The reason I think Marion could be a grass-court dynamo is because of what I saw with my own eyes. And I definitely see a very good clay court player in Nicole. Amelie just isn't having a great time of it lately anywhere, but on clay it seems to be a worse situation, and on top of that, esp. at RG.
On grass-girl Maid Marion, I'm a little bit undecided, prior to Wimbledon she was beating the likes of Dani and Elena but getting whipped by Sharapova and Henin. I do think her game can be good on grass (as obviously, we all saw) but it really was a week for her where the stars aligned - she was getting played off the court by Krajicek in the quarter before the rain came then had her hour's nap in the break (:hearts:) and played pretty much flawless tennis for the final 2 sets.

Trouble for her is she has nowhere to go but down now. Traditionally though hardcourts are Marion's bread and butter (first person to make a bad joke gets shot :p) - this year is totally upside down for her as it's the first year she's done anything on clay or grass and it's the first time she's truly sucked on hardcourts too. Maybe the bad start freed her up to just play and now the pressure's back on she's reverted (watch her go win New Haven now I've said that :tape:) - jury's out on Marion but I think she's becoming more all-court than anything else.

Donny
Aug 23rd, 2007, 12:13 AM
It's not like all of Jankovic's draws were so difficult. :rolleyes:

Sharapova currently holds a GS, GS final, GS semi and two Tier I. Why should Jankovic with her two GS semi and two Tier I be ranked above her?

I think the point being made is that Sharapova's results come from easy draws this year.

Bruno71
Aug 23rd, 2007, 12:15 AM
On grass-girl Maid Marion, I'm a little bit undecided, prior to Wimbledon she was beating the likes of Dani and Elena but getting whipped by Sharapova and Henin. I do think her game can be good on grass (as obviously, we all saw) but it really was a week for her where the stars aligned - she was getting played off the court by Krajicek in the quarter before the rain came then had her hour's nap in the break (:hearts:) and played pretty much flawless tennis for the final 2 sets.

Trouble for her is she has nowhere to go but down now. Traditionally though hardcourts are Marion's bread and butter (first person to make a bad joke gets shot :p) - this year is totally upside down for her as it's the first year she's done anything on clay or grass and it's the first time she's truly sucked on hardcourts too. Maybe the bad start freed her up to just play and now the pressure's back on she's reverted (watch her go win New Haven now I've said that :tape:) - jury's out on Marion but I think she's becoming more all-court than anything else.

Good points. I just notice the way her shots skid the court (I guess Virginia Wade told me that) are really conducive to grass court success. She's talented enough to do well on all surfaces, though I'd still be shocked if she won any kind of major clay court title.

Marion was very outplayed in the 1st sets of her matches with JJ, Misa, & JuJu...was a strange little pattern there for awhile. She actually played much better in the 1st set against Venus than in the 2nd.

Shepster
Aug 23rd, 2007, 12:21 AM
Not at all. There are only 3 tournaments this year where she won more then 200 points.
And JJ has only done that 4 times despite playing twice as much. Venus has only had 1 tournament +200 pts. Also there are only 3 tournaments where Sharapova has won less than 100 points. Jankovic has achieved that 5 times. Ivanovic 9 times. Venus 5 times. It's not just your *best* results, but your *worst* results too.
She's 1135 points behind jankovic in the race.
Because JJ has played over twice as many tournaments, it's not rocket science.

franny
Aug 23rd, 2007, 12:26 AM
mauresmo at the french:lol: :tape: not even going there.

My point is that when she ends up playing one of the five players that can challenge her(justine,venus,serena,ana,jelena) she was beaten. When there are 5 players having a better year then you you can't end up #2 in the race. And ending up having all those 5 players/favourites in the other half of your draw where you're defending grandslamwinpoints IS cakewalk.

Why are people so bitter over something like ranking points? Isn't what matters grand slam titles? So who cares if she has a "cakewalk draw" to the final. The final means nothing. If she wants to win, she'll still have to beat one of the "five" people who people claim will always beat her, and shit, if she does beat one of them, then hasn't she proven something? I mean, honestly, the point is you have to play 7 matches to win. Why can't you just try to enjoy the draw as it is and stop complaining. Whoever wins the tournament will have deserved it.

franny
Aug 23rd, 2007, 12:30 AM
I think the point being made is that Sharapova's results come from easy draws this year.

But that is not her fault, so why complain about Sharapova. Nor is it the tournament organizers faults because draws are not fixed. You think these organizers know enough about tennis to actually determine anything aside from looking at numbers? You think they can actually go, gee lets find the most in-form or out-of-form players? No, they just look at seeding. My goodness, this board is like full of little babies who need to get their diapers changed.