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gorecki
Jul 11th, 2002, 01:34 AM
I was just wondering how many tournaments Steffi played each year during her career?

:o

anton
Jul 11th, 2002, 01:48 AM
She normally played 12 events, but because she won so many including 66 matches in a row at one time, she could still be #1. the computer rankings were different back then. They added all your points together and then divided them by the # of tourneies you played. This is why Steffi made that top spot hers. She could play 12 events and beat everybody almost.

so the WTA changed to rules to try to force the players to play more and Martina Hingis exploted this to remain at the top by reaching the finals and or SF and losing and so the WTA changed the rankings systen again!

Now your best 17 tourneys are added together to get your points. Serena has played only 12 so she has 5 zeros so hopefully the Steffi days are not back and Venus and some other players will make Serena work to stay there. Amazing Serena can have 5 zeros and still be #1. But she is also I think 38-2 this year so that speaks for itself.

JonBcn
Jul 11th, 2002, 01:50 AM
Right, I'm busy plagiarising this from tennis corner, so someone might beat me to it:

1982 - 1
1983 - 15
1984 - 14
1985 - 13
1986 - 14 (8 titles)
1987 - 13 (11)
1988 - 13 (11)
1989 - 16 (14)
1990 - 15 (10)
1991 - 15 (7)
1992 - 15 (8)
1993 - 16 (10)
1994 - 13 (7)
1995 - 11 (9)
1996 - 11 (7)
1997 - 4 (1)
1998 - 12 (3)
1999 - 10 (1)

Career titles 107; win/loss: 902-115

anton
Jul 11th, 2002, 01:52 AM
see how little steffi played? the wta felt she was not supporting the tour so it tried to force her to play more but it did not work.

anton
Jul 11th, 2002, 01:55 AM
14 titles in one year!

gorecki
Jul 11th, 2002, 01:56 AM
ahhh thanks JonBcn! :bounce:

JonBcn
Jul 11th, 2002, 02:04 AM
Anton; I dont think Steffi can really be accused of playing little. She may have played fewer tournaments than those ranked below her, but dont forget it was only once in a blue moon that sh'ed lose before a semi, meaning she probably played twice as many matches in a year as someone with twenty five tourneys to their name.

I never really appreciated Steffi at the time (she was too busy beating my dear Arantxa to win any favours) but her record is even more amazing than I thought...

Funny as well that she didnt win a title until her fifth year as a professional!

spencercarlos
Jul 11th, 2002, 02:31 AM
Ranking back then were divided by at least 14 , so 14 was the minumun amount of tournaments back then. If they had played 18 so 18 was the denominator.

Originally posted by anton
She normally played 12 events, but because she won so many including 66 matches in a row at one time, she could still be #1. the computer rankings were different back then. They added all your points together and then divided them by the # of tourneies you played. This is why Steffi made that top spot hers. She could play 12 events and beat everybody almost.

so the WTA changed to rules to try to force the players to play more and Martina Hingis exploted this to remain at the top by reaching the finals and or SF and losing and so the WTA changed the rankings systen again!

Now your best 17 tourneys are added together to get your points. Serena has played only 12 so she has 5 zeros so hopefully the Steffi days are not back and Venus and some other players will make Serena work to stay there. Amazing Serena can have 5 zeros and still be #1. But she is also I think 38-2 this year so that speaks for itself.

anton
Jul 11th, 2002, 03:09 AM
Originally posted by JonBcn
Anton; I dont think Steffi can really be accused of playing little. She may have played fewer tournaments than those ranked below her, but dont forget it was only once in a blue moon that sh'ed lose before a semi, meaning she probably played twice as many matches in a year as someone with twenty five tourneys to their name.

I never really appreciated Steffi at the time (she was too busy beating my dear Arantxa to win any favours) but her record is even more amazing than I thought...

Funny as well that she didnt win a title until her fifth year as a professional!

I am not accusing Steffi of anything except being the best ever. the WTA did however try to get her to play more. I think this was mainly out of greed and they know a champion when they see one so they wanted to make more money off Steffi.

And dont forget back then only the finals were on TV pretty much so the WTA didnt care how many matches Steffi was playing, just how many finals she was on TV and selling tickets for.

schris
Jul 11th, 2002, 07:07 AM
14 titles in one year ! :eek: :eek: :eek:

She is the best

irma
Jul 11th, 2002, 07:35 AM
and then to think she lead 5:3 in both matches she lost so she could have been undefeated :eek:

irma
Jul 11th, 2002, 07:45 AM
I think 89 killed her mentally a little though because in australian the next year she was not the same anymore, she looked so bored!

Williams Rulez
Jul 11th, 2002, 08:14 AM
Steffi never liked playing at Australia... she played so few Aus Opens... makes you wonder if she could break Court's record if she had played a few more AOs...

Kart
Jul 11th, 2002, 09:48 AM
That's so true - it's a shame she got injured so much - more than ever I wish she'd played Oz in 1995 and even 1996 (although I'm not complaining about who won that ;)) - she could have had two more year grand slams as she won the other three in each of those years :eek:.

kfh_9118
Jul 11th, 2002, 09:54 AM
Steffi is the greatest champion ever :)

:kiss: :kiss:

Greenout
Jul 11th, 2002, 10:01 AM
It seems like the top players played less tournaments
back then. The ranking systems official changed back
in 1997.

Steffi didn't play much;but Kimiko Date didn't either-
she only played 14 events a year.

Williams Rulez
Jul 11th, 2002, 10:08 AM
Steffi has missed 7 AOs since the start of her career 1983

From 1983-1999, she only missed one RG, in 1998, when she was injured. She missed 3 Wimbledons, 2 US Opens.

So she missed 7 AOs and only 6 of the other 3 combined. And those 6 misses include the miss of the Wimbledon and US Open in 1983. I'm not sure of the reason, but it could be that she was too young perharps?

irma
Jul 11th, 2002, 10:16 AM
steffi lost in the qualifing in wimbledon 83, can't remember if she played them at the us open too

irma
Jul 11th, 2002, 10:19 AM
she did and lost in the first round!

Williams Rulez
Jul 11th, 2002, 10:26 AM
Ooo... I was counting the main draw appearances... :p

Not sure about qualifying...

Since you're here, does Steffi have a phobia for Aus? Or is it just too far away? :confused:

BTW, your Steffi site's career results don;t work... :sad:

irma
Jul 11th, 2002, 10:31 AM
I think she wasn't fond of the heat and she found melbourne boring!
btw you can check steffi's careerresults here http://www.sgisc.com

essielewis
Jul 11th, 2002, 10:34 AM
Funny as well that she didnt win a title until her fifth year as a professional!

Not so funny, really.:p Steffi became a pro at the age of 13 and her father held her back because he didn't want her playing too many tournaments at that age. He wanted it to still be fun for her. By the time she was 16 she was getting close to beating the top players. Her breakthrough came against Chris Evert at the Family Circle in 1986 and she never looked back. Chrissy had beaten her, I think, 8 times in a row but after that she never beat Stef again.:)

Peter Graf still kept her from playing too many tournaments but she did play a lot of exhibitions in Europe and made a lot of money doing that.

I think Stef disliked going all the way to Australia and she could care less about breaking Margaret Court's or anybody elses records.:rolleyes: That's what I like about her.

irma
Jul 11th, 2002, 10:34 AM
I lost all the careerresultsites because of geocities.
I spend hours to make them:(

irma
Jul 11th, 2002, 10:40 AM
in 92 though steffi was already in australia and a few hours away from playing!

Kart
Jul 11th, 2002, 12:18 PM
Was it 1992 when she had measles or something like that that stopped her from playing ?

irma
Jul 11th, 2002, 12:31 PM
yep 1 or 2 hours before her match was supposed to start she withdraw(I still remember because I was waiting for that match in the middle of the night till the presentator came and told us the news :sad: )

Mattographer
Jul 11th, 2002, 12:42 PM
I can tell you honestly... Melbourne is too boring!! I visited there once and I did nothing!! :eek:

TS
Jul 11th, 2002, 01:04 PM
Well maybe if Steffi ventured out of her hotel room she'd think otherwise about Melbourne.

Williams Rulez
Jul 11th, 2002, 02:01 PM
lol... I think Steffi didn't like Australia too... I always had the feeling... just didn't know why.

essielewis
Jul 12th, 2002, 02:16 AM
lol... I think Steffi didn't like Australia too... I always had the feeling... just didn't know why.

Steffi said one time that Melbourne was boring and there was nothing to do there. Of course, now she has Andre and Jaden Gil:angel: to cuddle up to so she doesn't have to do anything else in Melbourne.:kiss:

I also remember that Andre didn't care much for Australia. I think his first visit was in 1995 and he won it and has loved it ever since. :hearts:

Rollo
Jul 12th, 2002, 09:16 AM
It's a pity the women of today don't follow Steffi's example of less events per year. The ones who do are named Williams, Williams and Capriati. They seem to do ok too. Rollo sees a lesson in there somewhere.........


Actually Steffi's missing the Aussie from 1985 to 1987 was due to a rather simple reason-grass. And don't forget, no one entered the 1986 Aussie, because there wasn't one;)

So she was there in 92 and had German measles.
She was still injured from 94 when skipping in 1995.
In December of 95 she had bone splinters removed from her foot
and didn't return to the tour until March og 96.
In 98 she was off the tour.

None of those years were "I don't like Australia so I won't go there" a la Jelena Dokic or just plain missing it like Jana Novotna did. Every year except 84 and 85, when she had NO CHANCE to win, Steffi entered if healthy.

Graf may have once siad Melbourne was "boring" compared to other slam cities, but lets face it:London, paris and new York are tough to beat! Besides, Graf's best friend on tour was Aussie mate Renee Stubbs:)

Other than one quote-I see no evidence that Steffi has a dislike of Australia at all.

irma
Jul 12th, 2002, 09:36 AM
the luck wasn't on her side, she broke her thumb,choked against Novotna, got measles, almost died, played the weirdest of her career there at last!
steffi and the australian open, not such a good combination, I am afraid :sad:

essielewis
Jul 12th, 2002, 10:25 AM
Besides, Graf's best friend on tour was Aussie mate Renee Stubbs .

Well, I'm sure Stef likes Renee but she has always said her BEST FRIEND on the tour was Ines Gorrestigui and they are still best friends. After Stef retired and before she got pregnant, she and Ines went to Macchu Piccu and on several other vacations together.

Maybe what some of you say is true that Stef was sick/injured a lot of the time and didn't go to Melbourne but I think she truly didn't like going there. Stef has said many times that she likes the excitement of big cities like Paris, London and New York and to spend 3 weeks in Melbourne most likely left her cold.:rolleyes: Especially when she was very young.

Ciarán
Feb 8th, 2009, 10:37 PM
Right, I'm busy plagiarising this from tennis corner, so someone might beat me to it:

1982 - 1
1983 - 15
1984 - 14
1985 - 13
1986 - 14 (8 titles)
1987 - 13 (11)
1988 - 13 (11)
1989 - 16 (14)
1990 - 15 (10)
1991 - 15 (7)
1992 - 15 (8)
1993 - 16 (10)
1994 - 13 (7)
1995 - 11 (9)
1996 - 11 (7)
1997 - 4 (1)
1998 - 12 (3)
1999 - 10 (1)

Career titles 107; win/loss: 902-115

:eek:

A Magicman
Feb 8th, 2009, 10:47 PM
I am not accusing Steffi of anything except being the best ever. the WTA did however try to get her to play more. I think this was mainly out of greed and they know a champion when they see one so they wanted to make more money off Steffi.

And dont forget back then only the finals were on TV pretty much so the WTA didnt care how many matches Steffi was playing, just how many finals she was on TV and selling tickets for.

The others didn't play more often either. I recall Lori McNeil was one of the very (!) few players regularly playing more than 20 tournaments a year.

mckyle.
Feb 8th, 2009, 10:53 PM
I was a week from turning 11 when this thread was started :eek: :sobbing:

mauresmofan
Feb 8th, 2009, 10:57 PM
Steffi never liked playing at Australia... she played so few Aus Opens... makes you wonder if she could break Court's record if she had played a few more AOs...

I was just about to write back and say but Court won 11 Aussi Opens and Graf won 4 so how is that even close but then I realised it's total GS and yes maybe she could have but then again I don't think she was Navratilova like in that regard because she clearly never went after any records.

Zhao
Feb 8th, 2009, 11:33 PM
ok i was bored so i went to wtatour.com to check out her activities and realised tt all the tournaments she won are Tier 1 tournaments...

makes you wonder how much her career $$ will be shd she be winning those slams today

40 over million perhaps? :eek:

HRHoliviasmith
Feb 9th, 2009, 12:50 AM
wow, people were so civil to each other back then :awww:

Anabelcroft
Feb 9th, 2009, 01:38 AM
Wow...didn't know about Tier I!

azinna
Feb 9th, 2009, 02:03 AM
wow, people were so civil to each other back then :awww:

...and informative. Back then you learned something from every other thread.

Wojtek
Feb 9th, 2009, 06:08 AM
Great stats for Steffi

Miranda
Feb 9th, 2009, 07:54 AM
unbelievable that she could win so many titles, even during the heydays of monica, even though i am not her fans, have to admire her greatness :worship::worship:

ElusiveChanteuse
Feb 9th, 2009, 08:13 AM
She won at least 7 titles for 11 straight years on tour!:eek: No one can ever do that again.:worship: :bowdown: (Maybe Martina Navratilova) :angel:

Anabelcroft
Feb 9th, 2009, 10:08 AM
And she has won a title every year from '86 until she retired!Respect!

AnnaK_4ever
Feb 9th, 2009, 10:28 AM
ok i was bored so i went to wtatour.com to check out her activities and realised tt all the tournaments she won are Tier 1 tournaments...

What???