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Volcana
Jul 10th, 2002, 02:43 PM
What if she wins one of the Caifornia tournaments?

What if she wins Toronto?

If Lindsay shows quickly that her form is just as good as when she got hurt, should the USOpen show that sort of respect to a former champ, who got hurt as world #1?

Williams Rulez
Jul 10th, 2002, 02:47 PM
Well... her injury protected ranking is 1... but they don't seed using the injury ranking I think... I don't know, she deserves. But whether that will happen, that's another matter.

Ryan
Jul 10th, 2002, 02:48 PM
I thought only Wimbledon could change seedings?

irma
Jul 10th, 2002, 02:48 PM
I think she should get an injuryranking and seeding just like Steffi had in 98 since Lindsay was longer out a 6 months and number 1 when she got injured!

Greenout
Jul 10th, 2002, 02:50 PM
Lindsay doesn't usually do the Canadian Open.

I'm a fan;but I think they should just go with the rankings
as is. Why bumped the others who worked their butts
off the whole year??

barmaid
Jul 10th, 2002, 02:53 PM
Vol, I'm sure the powers to be will put her in the right spot and certainly if she wins a tournament before the U.S. Open she deserves to be there but I don't think she has committed to play in Montreal this year..and because she's playing two team tennis at the moment I believe she is taking it easy and not going to rush into the frey at the moment!!;) Knowing how long she was away from tennis she wisely doesn't want to push herself too hard coming out of the gate!!;)


barmaid:wavey:

Ms. Lively
Jul 10th, 2002, 02:53 PM
That would bump Monica out of the #4 spot. Monica has a great chance of winning US Open. WHy would you bump her out of #4?

Williams Rulez
Jul 10th, 2002, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by irma
I think she should get an injuryranking and seeding just like Steffi had in 98 since Lindsay was longer out a 6 months and number 1 when she got injured! That was what I was thinking... but I'm not sure if it is in the rules.

We'll have to consult TBE on this...

TheBoiledEgg
Jul 10th, 2002, 03:13 PM
just read this ;)
http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4294

She can have a rank like Steffi's but whether she will is another matter.

Steffi had dropped of the ranks completely when she came back so it was rather a problem.

wave
Jul 10th, 2002, 03:21 PM
Being a Monica fan I obviously have to say no. The US Open normally don't change the seeding list, they use the rankings. I'm not sure how high Lindz will get in the ranking system if she wins all these tournaments. Still if she does, there is no need to put her ahead of others since she already beat most of the higher ranked players in these preparation tournaments... ;)

Anyway I hope that she will have a great comeback. Go Lindsay!

ys
Jul 10th, 2002, 03:24 PM
Even if she wins a coupel of tournaments.. If you'd want to bump her in seedings, replacing whom? Capriati, who won more Slams than any other players during last two seasons? Seles, who won USO twice? Instead of Venus, who won it two last years? Perhaps, only instead of Serena, who is so out of form right now..

Nimi
Jul 10th, 2002, 03:26 PM
no one changes the seeding for the women. the US Open & Wimbledon changes seeding for the men.

Volcana
Jul 10th, 2002, 03:33 PM
Ms. Lively - Monica's chances of winning the US Open won't change if she's seeded #4 vs #5.

The rules allow them to rank Lindsay #1 if they want. I doubt they will because Venus is defending champ and playing. Serena is current #1 and RG and WB champ. More to the point, that's where the U.S sponsors want them. Below that, there's more discretion.

Lindsay was 99 champ, and was #1 when she got hurt. The rules allow them to seed her according to her Special Ranking, but don't require it. They can do it, no question.

They can always put Monica #3 if they think she has more of a chance than Jenn. Jenn will have something to say, of course, but if Lindsay has a better summer, it won't matter.

As of the change to 32 seeds, all the Slams reserve the right to rank away formt he seedings.

Me personally, I'd seed Lindsay #3, say '#1', 'ex-champ' and 'injury ranking' to anyone who protested, and give #4 to whoever had the bets summer between Monica, Jenn, Justine and Jelena.

However, since it's the 'US' Open, I'd expect the top four seeds to be US players, and maybe the top 5, if they move Lindsay there as a meaningless prop. Now if Linday beat Serena this summer, they may move her into the top four seeds.

The Crow
Jul 10th, 2002, 03:35 PM
Changing seeding is stupid. That's why I was so glad Xavier won against "grass-specialist" Rusedski at Wimby ;)

The Crow
Jul 10th, 2002, 03:39 PM
Volcana, all this if player x wins against player y in the summer, she should get that seeding, .... is so subjective. Go with the rankings, it's the easiest and fairest thing to do (note that a win over Serena for instance in summer would also have a (major) impact on the rankings).

Pureracket
Jul 10th, 2002, 03:45 PM
Unless something drastic happens this summer, I'm thinking the USTA will put Serena/Venus #1 regardless of alot of other things. The USTA has that television deal, and I'm sure they have the stats on the numbers from NBC's Wimbledon coverage. The sisters brought in numbers which brings in sponsors which brings in revenue for the network.

If anybody gets bumped in the seedings, it would probably be JenCap (remember FedCup).

Volcana
Jul 10th, 2002, 03:48 PM
Crow - I'm TIRED of 'fair' It's so boring. Let's get some controversy. Can you imagine the headlines if they seeded Lindsay #1, and had Venus and Serena play in the semis? The drama! The angst! The protest marches! The profanity laced tirades and accusations of racism!

Okay, maybe not. How about we seed Lindsay #5? It moves her a couple spots, so its an honor, but it has no actual affect on who plays who.

The Crow
Jul 10th, 2002, 03:53 PM
lol, I love boring :p In Lindsay's case it's different because of the injury and stuff. I say if she has a protected ranking of number 1, make her the first seed :D ;)

Mattographer
Jul 10th, 2002, 03:55 PM
She can be seed #1 with an injury ranking

chicagofan
Jul 10th, 2002, 04:02 PM
Actually, Wimbledon does occasionally change the women's seedings. Most recently in 1999, when Graf was seeded second when her ranking was #3. Davenport was seeded third, though her ranking was #2.

Helen Lawson
Jul 10th, 2002, 04:07 PM
She can take care of herself. She does not need a special seeding. Serena floated below the Top 8 last year due in perhaps some part to a reduced schedule based on injuries. That is the facts of life. Now it is Lindsay's turn.
Now here is some controversy. That end of the year No. 1 was not based on much. She only got it because she bulldozed her way through a bunch of end of the year indoor events that were fairly depleted. She did not have a great year otherwise. If the season had not ended right after her run she would not have stayed No. 1 for long. So this whole bit about her getting injured at No. 1 is true but a little misleading. The "real" No.1 at the end of the year in most people's minds was either Venus or Capriati.

It is academic at this point. The U.S. Open will not change the seeds I am sure of that.

Volcana
Jul 10th, 2002, 04:08 PM
Wimbledon changed the women's seeding THIS year. Lisa Raymond was ranked #26 but seeded #16.

I'm fine with Lindsay being seeded #1, but THAT ain't gonna happen.

M O N E Y

Davenport Rock$
Jul 10th, 2002, 04:20 PM
I think she should get whatever she is ranked, but I can't wait for her to comeback on the hard and indoor courts.

selestionist
Jul 10th, 2002, 05:34 PM
And who is to say that Monica's seeding will be bumped down. Monica could be ranked number 3 by the US Open. She and Jennifer are very close in points, right now. I would say that Jennifer is more in danger of being bumped than is Monica.

The way I look at it is that Lindsay should be seeded number 5 for the Open. The top 4 have had too consistent of a year to have it taken away from them.

Kart
Jul 10th, 2002, 05:38 PM
Originally posted by chicagofan
Actually, Wimbledon does occasionally change the women's seedings. Most recently in 1999, when Graf was seeded second when her ranking was #3. Davenport was seeded third, though her ranking was #2.

My personal theory on that is they wanted to set up a Graf-Hingis final. Amusingly enough (although I wasn't amused at the time) the #3 seed beat the #2 seed in the final.

Last time US open messed with the seedings which was a few years ago I seem to remember they had to repeat the draw after the players protested. They're not going to make that mistake again.

Anyway, whoever has the no.4 ranking at US open time deserves the no.4 seed. The women play tough all year to get those points. The only reason to mess with that is to set up better latter round matches which is unnecessary as the top women are all a big draw anyway.

disposablehero
Jul 10th, 2002, 05:54 PM
Suppose Anna goes on a huge tear, and gets her ranking up to #5 by next years Wimbledon. Will Wimbledon seed her #4 "based on her previous Semifinal".

Get subjective with the seedings and there will be abuse.

Asmus
Jul 10th, 2002, 06:06 PM
Sorry, but you have some ridiculous ideas here! You seem to forget that Lindsay was #1 before she got injured and was out for several months. She is one of the toughest players and deserves to be seeded in the top 4. It's even possible that her ranking could drop down to #9--wouldn't a #9 seeding be ridiculous?

The US Open ONLY changed women's seedings in 1998 to seed Steffi #7 I think. That was for largely the same reasons as they are presented with here. They changed the men's in 1996 but everyone got SO pissed off (Kafelnikov even withdrew because of it) that they never did it again.

It would be very fair to seed Lindsay #3 because of her injury. I don't think there would be many complaints. She has always had great results at the US Open, superior to those of Seles and Capriati. I say seed her #3 and then whoever is ranked #3 (probably Capriati) should get #4.

mishar
Jul 10th, 2002, 07:14 PM
Lindsay won't be seeded top 4. The real question is, would she be seeded in the top 8? That would affect her draw dramatically. But who would you replace: Hingis, Henin, Dokic or Clijsters?

But the USO almost never changes from the rankings and I don't think they will in this case.

Raj
Jul 10th, 2002, 07:56 PM
LINDSAY is a great player and if from the next tournament on she defends all her points and does a bit better, she will have a QF 4-8 seed which is good enough.
Maybe if she dropped out of the top 32, then it would be another story!

irma
Jul 10th, 2002, 08:01 PM
kart I think you are right, they did the same thing in 93 when they seeded Nav 2 instead of ASV! I think they did that too because they wanted a Steffi-Nav final considering Monica was also not there so they wanted some spectacle(of course novotna was the one who brought it then in the end)

selesrules
Jul 10th, 2002, 08:09 PM
Why? Mary Pierce has 2 slams and she also was in the top 5 when she got injured. Yet they never gave her any sort of seeding for the French or Wimbledon. It sucks. Now Lindsay is already in the top10 and they want to move her even more up? It doesn't make sense. They disrespected Mary Pierce and she's a multiple grandslam winner, and now Lindsay is going to get all sort of great treatement when she needs it MUCH less.

Raj
Jul 10th, 2002, 08:23 PM
selesrules, nothing has been said (officially) about lindsay getting a higher ranking.
I doubt it will happen.
Lets wait and see!

Ryan
Jul 10th, 2002, 09:32 PM
Can you imagine the headlines if they seeded Lindsay #1, and had Venus and Serena play in the semis?



I wouldn't mind seeing that at all!:D


Really though, wherever Lindsay is ranked, is where she should be seeded. The top 4 players are already American, so there should be no incentive to move her up for tha reason. WHO cares if she was #1 when she got injured? Bumping her rnaking up to #4, 5, is only pushing the deserving people above her down. If Lindsay won a tournament when she comes back, wouldn't it push her up to 6,7, anyway? She's better then most of the field already, seeding her in the top 4 won't help. Much.

Williams Rulez
Jul 11th, 2002, 07:53 AM
Well, looks like if they do seed Lindsay any higher than her rank, judging by the disapproval of many people here, it is not going to be a good move. I don't think the US Open will change the seeds. They'll seed her in the top 8 if she isn't already there, but that's as far as they'll go.

Buitenzorg
Jul 11th, 2002, 07:58 AM
I think Lindsay DAVENPORT is deserve to be #.1 Seed

Williams Rulez
Jul 11th, 2002, 08:16 AM
Wait, shouldn't it be Martina?

Raisin
Jul 11th, 2002, 09:35 AM
Originally posted by Williams Rulez
Wait, shouldn't it be Martina?

lol:o

i-girl
Jul 11th, 2002, 11:48 AM
I don't think the idea of bumping Lindsay up is all that bad. it's not all that important, though. it's like some people have already said here, if she has a good summer she should be ok. I do, however, think that comparing her case to that of Mary pierce, or that of Serena, who was ranked 8 or 9 for a while, is not doing Lindsay Justice. Mary (I do like this girl, but let's be honest) just isn't in the same league anymore (or should I say, for now?), Serena chose not to play that much, and her ranking reflected that. Lindsay, if she regains her old form, is a league above the girls ranked 5-8 (not including Martina). why shouldn't the rankings reflect that? and like someone very correctly pointed out, if she doesn't go into the top 8 (and she is defending a lot of points over the summer, so that could happen), it would dramatically(?) affect her draw. it would be understandable if the sponsers wanted to prevent it. she shouldn't, however, be ranked above Jen or Monica.
plus, think about this- say she doen't get into the top 8, and is given Jelena's spot (what is Jelena now 8? 7?), can you imagine Damir's response? it would be a circus! you'd have two weeks worth of entertainment right there! go for it!
(joke, joke, I like Jelena).

Volcana, what's with the Abu Dhabi flag near your name??? c'mmon V, tell me this is some kind of bizzare form of protest against a country who treats it's dogs better than it's women.

Jarrett
Jul 11th, 2002, 12:19 PM
Dokic is 6 right now.

Kart
Jul 11th, 2002, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by Asmus

It would be very fair to seed Lindsay #3 because of her injury. I don't think there would be many complaints. She has always had great results at the US Open, superior to those of Seles and Capriati. I say seed her #3 and then whoever is ranked #3 (probably Capriati) should get #4.

I think the only reason to seed Lindsay ahead of Monica is their head to head. Other than that Seles has had a better US open record, albeit less so in the last few years. Still until last year she had been a consistent QF or better since 1990.

You could seed Lindsay ahead of JenCap because she has had a better US open career and better head to head, but JenCap won a GS this year and behind Williams sisters is the favourite to do it again.

Still both players have earned their places in the top 4 this year - Seles by consistently reaching latter stages and JenCap by winning Oz.

I think the problem here is not so much why Lindsay deserves the seed as it is why do the others deserve it less.

i-girl
Jul 11th, 2002, 12:36 PM
that's a good point there, about others not deserving it less, but are you sure some of the people ranked above Lindsay right now don't deserve it less? I'm getting into trouble with the Belgians here, but I'm sorry, it's just what I think.
about Monica- like I said, I don't think Lindsay should be given her spot. but c'mmon... (I love Monice, I can't believe you are making me point this out:sad: ). Monica's record in the US open is wonderful, but has her perfomance in recent years been so impressive? I think she's still capable of winning it, I think she's had a good year and deserves her ranking, but there is no point in looking away from the obvious. Mon's record in the US Open might be better, but Lindsay's accomplishments in the US Open are a lot more recent.