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CrossCourt~Rally
Jul 1st, 2007, 09:38 AM
Call me: Meilen Tu didn't expect to be selected to the U.S. Fed Cup team for its semifinal against Russia next month. She did expect a courtesy call from captain Zina Garrison, however, given that she's the fourth-best American player according to the rankings.

"I'm a little bit disappointed in that I never even met her," the 38th-ranked Tu said after a second-round loss to Ana Ivanovic 6-4, 6-3 at Wimbledon on Thursday.

"Look, I can go up to her and definitely introduce myself, I'll give you that. But I think it's part of her job representing women's tennis, representing the Fed Cup, that she come up and talk to all the American players."

Tu said she believes she should have been given consideration for the fourth spot that went to Vania King. Venus and Serena Williams and doubles specialist Lisa Raymond also are on the squad.

Jill Craybas and Laura Granville — who beat King and Jelena Kostanic Tosic in doubles Thursday — also were upset.

"The big thing is that there's not a lot of communication going on," said Craybas, who's ranked 64th in singles. "A lot of players I talked to are frustrated about it, because there's a lack of contact."

The 77th-ranked Granville, who faces 1997 champion Martina Hingis in singles Friday, said: "I'm not even on the radar screen."

Beny
Jul 1st, 2007, 09:40 AM
The 77th-ranked Granville, who faces 1997 champion Martina Hingis in singles Friday, said: "I'm not even on the radar screen."

:lol: :lol: :lol: I can`t help laughing... Laura is such a realist


Lack of communication...hmmm..hope they`ll solve it soon ;)

CrossCourt~Rally
Jul 1st, 2007, 09:42 AM
I totally agree with Meilen. She is ranked twice as high as Vania. Meilen has been in much better form than all year long. She 100% deserved the spot. Zina might have a problem on her hands if there are a rash of injurys to the current team. I think a little more respect would be welcomed at some pount during Wimbledon . :bounce:

:wavey:

Myggen
Jul 1st, 2007, 09:50 AM
Seems like Zina certainly has her personal favorite player...

Bruno71
Jul 1st, 2007, 09:52 AM
If Laura beats Krajicek, I think she'll be ranked in the top 35 :lol:

CrossCourt~Rally
Jul 1st, 2007, 09:55 AM
If Laura beats Krajicek, I think she'll be ranked in the top 35 :lol:

Maybe that will get Zinas attention :tape:

frontier
Jul 1st, 2007, 09:56 AM
I think Tu deserved the spot taken by Vania as for Craybas cry me a river.I think Megan is also deserving above Craybas and Granville.
I hope they were not encouraged to complain by the women from espn namely Pam Mary and Austin just to cause trouble for Zina.Granville feels she deserves a spot after beating an ailing Hingis.
In all honesty Tu and Meghan are deserving additions to the team.I would add these 2 if I were Zina.

CrossCourt~Rally
Jul 1st, 2007, 10:32 AM
I think Tu deserved the spot taken by Vania as for Craybas cry me a river.I think Megan is also deserving above Craybas and Granville.
I hope they were not encouraged to complain by the women from espn namely Pam Mary and Austin just to cause trouble for Zina.Granville feels she deserves a spot after beating an ailing Hingis.
In all honesty Tu and Meghan are deserving additions to the team.I would add these 2 if I were Zina.

Hopefully next year ( or for the final) :cool:

Morrissey
Jul 1st, 2007, 11:14 AM
Zina already given Vania King a chance to play she's also given Craybas a chance to play so why are they complaining now? Lets face it the players complaining are just not very good.

¤CharlDa¤
Jul 1st, 2007, 11:27 AM
I think Laura proved this week that she deserves to be on the radar. Vania has been quite disappointing all year, and Meilein's comeback would have deserved her a spot, even though she probably won't even play.

Do they plan on making Lisa and Vania play doubles? Or would it be Vee/Ree? I think Laura/Lisa would have been a great doubles team.

Rocketta
Jul 1st, 2007, 11:35 AM
I didn't know communication was a one way street? Sure Zina could contact them but they could contact Zina as well and let her know how interested they are in playing. Seems to me if they have a problem with Zina they should tell Zina first and not the press. However, some players aren't used to being asked questions by the media and they probably didn't even think about controversy before they spoke their opinions. :shrug:

Also, I seriously doubt the semifinals is the time to mess with team chemistry. Why wouldn't she go with the same team she had last round? :scratch:

Morrissey
Jul 1st, 2007, 11:35 AM
Oh please Laura has ONE good result and she's old. I think Zina has done very well to give the young American women a chance but they have failed to deliver. I mean jackson, king, perry, and Harkleroad are just not very good players. They have proven absolutely nothing. People complain about American men tennis but at least USA has two guys in the top 10 and four guys in the top 70.

CrossCourt~Rally
Jul 1st, 2007, 11:38 AM
I didn't know communication was a one way street? Sure Zina could contact them but they could contact Zina as well and let her know how interested they are in playing. Seems to me if they have a problem with Zina they should tell Zina first and not the press. However, some players aren't used to being asked questions by the media and they probably didn't even think about controversy before they spoke their opinions. :shrug:

Also, I seriously doubt the semifinals is the time to mess with team chemistry. Why wouldn't she go with the same team she had last round? :scratch:

Because Meilen and now Laura ( for the future ) are playing allot better than Vania. Trust me, i have NOTHING against Vania. I cheer her on all the time. I just think that Meilen is by the far the more in form player at the moment. :bounce:

CrossCourt~Rally
Jul 1st, 2007, 11:39 AM
Oh please Laura has ONE good result and she's old. I think Zina has done very well to give the young American women a chance but they have failed to deliver. I mean jackson, king, perry, and Harkleroad are just not very good players. They have proven absolutely nothing. People complain about American men tennis but at least USA has two guys in the top 10 and four guys in the top 70.

Laura has had more than ONE good result. She has been ranked higher than Vania ( same with Meilen ) for some time now. . :wavey:

ce
Jul 1st, 2007, 11:40 AM
why King
she sucks anyway

Tenis Srbija
Jul 1st, 2007, 11:40 AM
Is Laura now on the radar screen :D

Rocketta
Jul 1st, 2007, 11:45 AM
Because Meilen and now Laura ( for the future ) are playing allot better than Vania. Trust me, i have NOTHING against Vania. I cheer her on all the time. I just think that Meilen is by the far the more in form player at the moment. :bounce:

The fourth spot is clearly the cheerleader spot right now so why wouldn't Zina go with someone who she knows gets along with the others than try to introduce a new person into the mix at this late stage? :scratch:

Rocketta
Jul 1st, 2007, 11:47 AM
and just because Laura says she's not on the radar screen doesn't make it fact just her opinion. We don't know what Zina thinks or thought about Laura or anyone else.

CrossCourt~Rally
Jul 1st, 2007, 11:49 AM
The fourth spot is clearly the cheerleader spot right now so why wouldn't Zina go with someone who she knows gets along with the others than try to introduce a new person into the mix at this late stage? :scratch:


Because Serena and Venis Williams have had some servere injurys over the last few years. They could very well have a relapse at Wimbledon. I hope that does not happin. I mean lets face it, if they are both 100% healthy then they could win all 4 singles AND the doubles match:lol: But, the point of the matter is the respect and the hard work that Meilen has put into her game. She deserves to have that 4th spot. At the very least, Zina should have a better rep with the us crew. She may run into a problem ( like BJK did ) if something does happin with the 3 ladys she has picked.

CrossCourt~Rally
Jul 1st, 2007, 11:50 AM
and just because Laura says she's not on the radar screen doesn't make it fact just her opinion. We don't know what Zina thinks or thought about Laura or anyone else.

Well, its more than one person.

Wannabeknowitall
Jul 1st, 2007, 11:54 AM
I'm upset about a few things.
1) Vania was the right pick. She is the better DOUBLES player compared to Jill, Meilen, and Laura. She is also the best pick for Lisa Raymond as a partner and likely the best choice for Lisa for the Olympics.
In fact Jill and Meilen have a career losing record in doubles, so I don't even know why the hell they have a reason to be upset.
They should be upset at themselves for even having a losing record in doubles.

2) I feel Zina should at least have contacted the players.
This is getting to the point of retardedness.
You have players who play for the US when it comes to Davis Cup who just practice with the team and get confidence from that.

Why shouldn't the same be for the FED CUP?
You have the US women in desparate need for anyone to step up outside of Venus & Serena, confidence sometimes goes a long way in the game of tennis.
If you can't put them on the team, at least make them feel welcomed.

Rocketta
Jul 1st, 2007, 11:54 AM
Well, its more than one person.

yes but just because they weren't verbally informed does not mean that Zina did not think of them or consider them. It just means she didn't contact them and they didn't contact her. So they very well could be on Zina's radar. We don't know. I understand that the lack of communication makes Laura feel like she's not on Zina's radar but that's an opinion not a fact.

CrossCourt~Rally
Jul 1st, 2007, 11:59 AM
I'm upset about a few things.
1) Vania was the right pick. She is the better DOUBLES player compared to Jill, Meilen, and Laura. She is also the best pick for Lisa Raymond as a partner and likely the best choice for Lisa for the Olympics.
In fact Jill and Meilen have a career losing record in doubles, so I don't even know why the hell they have a reason to be upset.
They should be upset at themselves for even having a losing record in doubles.

2) I feel Zina should at least have contacted the players.
This is getting to the point of retardedness.
You have players who play for the US when it comes to Davis Cup who just practice with the team and get confidence from that.

Why shouldn't the same be for the FED CUP?
You have the US women in desparate need for anyone to step up outside of Venus & Serena, confidence sometimes goes a long way in the game of tennis.
If you can't put them on the team, at least make them feel welcomed.

Melien is still in the doubles draw and will actually be ranked higher than Vania when the new rankings come out next monday. We are not going by career doubles rankings or win/ loss records . Its clear that Meilen is a better singles AND doubles player then she has been in quite a few years. Also, they usually pick the top 3 singles players and the top doubles player. Not ALL the time, but allot of the time. I also do not understand the argument about not wanting to change the team from rd to rd :lol: This has been done multiple times over the years. Just take a look at the FED CUP website. :bounce:

Ps, Jill and Laura BEAT ( 3 and 4 ) Vania and her partner in doubles in the 1st rd last week at Wimbledon :bounce:

GoDominique
Jul 1st, 2007, 12:00 PM
I love how Crocketta tries to conceal her not surprising (well, you know why) preference of King with "logic" and by putting the blame on the players.

Obviously the problem is that Zina doesn't ever talk to them, or watches her matches, or anything. If that's true then she's doing a piss-poor job. As a Fed-Cup coach she should be in contact with the best American players and the best juniors.

CrossCourt~Rally
Jul 1st, 2007, 12:01 PM
yes but just because they weren't verbally informed does not mean that Zina did not think of them or consider them. It just means she didn't contact them and they didn't contact her. So they very well could be on Zina's radar. We don't know. I understand that the lack of communication makes Laura feel like she's not on Zina's radar but that's an opinion not a fact.

Well, there not mind readers:lol: . Anyways, i added a poll. Please cast your votes...:kiss: ...off to bed...:wavey:

Freewoman33
Jul 1st, 2007, 12:06 PM
Maybe we should wait to hear Zina's side of the story before forming opinions.

However, if I were in any of these ladies shoes, I would definitely express interest to Zina about wanting to play. I'm almost certain that Vania did just that. Only the superstars are catered. Maybe if they had the results that Venus and Serena have had over their careers, they would be pursued by Zina.

BTW, wasn't Ashley busy being married a short while ago, and Meilen was in college and Craybas... well, when was her last good result beside beating an injured Serena two years ago? Laura is right, she really wasn't on anyone's radar.

Wannabeknowitall
Jul 1st, 2007, 12:09 PM
Melien is still in the doubles draw and will actually be ranked higher than Vania when the new rankings come out next monday. We are not going by career doubles rankings or win/ loss records . Its clear that Meilen is a better singles AND doubles player then she has been in quite a few years. Also, they usually pick the top 3 singles players and the top doubles player. Not ALL the time, but allot of the time. I also do not understand the argument about not wanting to change the team from rd to rd :lol: This has been done multiple times over the years. Just take a look at the FED CUP website. :bounce:

I disagree and obviously Zina does as well.
Vania seems to have a natural knack at doubles and she seems to take direction well from the veteran Lisa.
It's not about the highest ranked players sometimes, it's about who will WIN.

You don't see Meghann complaining about not being on FED CUP.
One she's not the top doubles player.
Two she doesn't match up well with Lisa.
Three she hasn't shown the capability to win important matches in doubles.
There's really no way Petrova/Meghann shouldn't have won one slam during their partnership.

Why change something that will work well.
They're playing the Russians.
It's tough enough beating a good Russian doubles team with Lisa and Vania.
It probably will be impossible doing so with Lisa and Meilen.
Likely FED CUP will come down to that doubles match so it will be important.

ce
Jul 1st, 2007, 12:09 PM
King
dont know
think she is better under pressure than Tu
i have more belief in her than Tu

CooCooCachoo
Jul 1st, 2007, 12:17 PM
King over Tu is ridiculous :shrug:

Wannabeknowitall
Jul 1st, 2007, 12:18 PM
Maybe we should wait to hear Zina's side of the story before forming opinions.



Why should we when the US FED CUP team has obviously lacked uniformity compared to the US Davis Cup team?

This is not something new. This has been going on for years.
At the time though there were enough top player for the issue really not to come up.

But this is absolutely ridiculous.
You look at a player like Sam Querray.
Hasn't played Davis Cup yet but Pat allowed him to join the guys in practice.

That did so much for his confidence.
He felt welcomed.

The ladies on the other hand don't feel like they're part of the team, team USA or will ever be (in some cases again).

Freewoman33
Jul 1st, 2007, 12:24 PM
[quote=Wannabeknowitall;11101918]Why should we when the US FED CUP team has obviously lacked uniformity compared to the US Davis Cup team?

We should wait because there're two sides to every story. Well, three sides... yours, mine and the real story (lol)

Highlandman
Jul 1st, 2007, 12:29 PM
That Craybas is not in Fed-Cup-team anymore is totally okay in my opinion. But I really dont understand why they dont think about Laura or Meilen, especially Meilen after her good season and Laura is a good player on faster surfaces as well.....King's season was not good...but the point is probably that King is the best player in doubles from all of them, because with both Williams the question "Who plays singles?" is clear and Raymond as best doubles-player is also clear and so they have to look who is 2nd best player in doubles or who plays best with Lisa Raymond, but ZG could really think about Granville and Tu as well...

Rising Sun
Jul 1st, 2007, 12:32 PM
Maybe we should wait to hear Zina's side of the story before forming opinions.

However, if I were in any of these ladies shoes, I would definitely express interest to Zina about wanting to play. I'm almost certain that Vania did just that. Only the superstars are catered. Maybe if they had the results that Venus and Serena have had over their careers, they would be pursued by Zina.

BTW, wasn't Ashley busy being married a short while ago, and Meilen was in college and Craybas... well, when was her last good result beside beating an injured Serena two years ago? Laura is right, she really wasn't on anyone's radar.
When was Meilen in college? :confused:

Freewoman33
Jul 1st, 2007, 12:34 PM
Didn't she decide to go college before turning pro?

DimaDinosaur
Jul 1st, 2007, 12:40 PM
Meilin, please introduce yourself to Zina. You know that bitch won't bite you. ;)

Experimentee
Jul 1st, 2007, 12:46 PM
I think she wants to give King more Fed Cup experience since she is young and the future of American tennis. Tu may have had a better year than Vania, but she is old and wont be around much longer and doesnt have as much to gain from the experience.

Anyway it doesnt matter as the Williams sisters will most likely be playing all the matches.

Freakan
Jul 1st, 2007, 12:57 PM
King can't play tennis.

Direwolf
Jul 1st, 2007, 01:07 PM
they should have gone for only Venus and Serena..
to play both the singles and also the doubles..!!

Bijoux0021
Jul 1st, 2007, 01:45 PM
I think Tu deserved the spot taken by Vania as for Craybas cry me a river.I think Megan is also deserving above Craybas and Granville.
I hope they were not encouraged to complain by the women from espn namely Pam Mary and Austin just to cause trouble for Zina.Granville feels she deserves a spot after beating an ailing Hingis.
In all honesty Tu and Meghan are deserving additions to the team.I would add these 2 if I were Zina.
You can add Mary Carillo to that list. To them, they already don't consider people of color fully Americans anyway, so it wouldn't be a surprise at all if these American female commentators encouraged those players to complain in order to cause trouble for Zina. It's no coincidence that they've always been so critical, petty, jealous and biased towards Venus and Serena regardless of what they do. Whereas, white players can do no wrong. These commentators have gone as far as giving Williams sisters' opponents advice on how to beat them, so there's no way they will ever fully support their success. You could clearly hear the difference in treatment of players in their commentary. Recently, they may appear to be cleaning up their acts a little bit by not being so open on the air about their biases towards Venus and Serena, but don't let them fool you. They are the biggest phonies and hypocrites on earth. As I've said before, and it's a known fact, there are many white American tennis fans and non-fans who would rather see America keep losing Fed Cup with an all white squad than having the Wiliams sisters represent America just because of the color of their skin.

CrossCourt~Rally
Jul 1st, 2007, 03:55 PM
Wow:eek: ...35-1 in favor of Meilen! Its good to see Meilen get the respect that she so richly deserves:worship:

Paneru
Jul 1st, 2007, 04:05 PM
I think she wants to give King more Fed Cup experience since she is young and the future of American tennis. Tu may have had a better year than Vania, but she is old and wont be around much longer and doesnt have as much to gain from the experience.

Anyway it doesnt matter as the Williams sisters will most likely be playing all the matches.

My thought exactly!

Also leads me to beliueve and I asked this and am still
awaiting an answer to, does Zina choose by herself or
does the USTA get a say as well?

That's why I thought they'd piuck Vania because with a
healthy V&S playing, their is no need for Tu, Granville,
or Craybas no matter how well they are playing. So, let young
Vania gain some experience and maybe it will help her as her
career is just starting as oppossed to the others.

CrossCourt~Rally
Jul 1st, 2007, 04:06 PM
You can add Mary Carillo to that list. To them, they already don't consider people of color fully Americans anyway, so it wouldn't be a surprise at all if these American female commentators encouraged those players to complain in order to cause trouble for Zina. It's no coincidence that they've always been so critical, petty, jealous and biased towards Venus and Serena regardless of what they do. Whereas, white players can do no wrong. These commentators have gone as far as giving Williams sisters' opponents advice on how to beat them, so there's no way they will ever fully support their success. You could clearly hear the difference in treatment of players in their commentary. Recently, they may appear to be cleaning up their acts a little bit by not being so open on the air about their biases towards Venus and Serena, but don't let them fool you. They are the biggest phonies and hypocrites on earth. As I've said before, and it's a known fact, there are many white American tennis fans and non-fans who would rather see America keep losing Fed Cup with an all white squad than having the Wiliams sisters represent America just because of the color of their skin.

That can be true for a very few select sad group of people. Whether it be because the Williams are black, Mauresmo is a lesbian, Meilen Tu is a Asian etc . There are also groups of fans of ANY player and of ANY race that will defend a player no matter what they do or how they act in any manner. I would like to think the above poll represents a true unbiased opinion of the asian TU and the asian/ african american KING.
Lastly, it would be nice if there was more support towards the like of Laura, Vania , Meilen and the crew when they are down and own and struggling to string wins together. Checkout TEAM USA and scroll down once in awhile from high above your perch to see what the rest of the USA Squad is up to. The could use the support..not just during fair weather :bounce: ...:wavey:

Ellery
Jul 1st, 2007, 04:07 PM
I like Vania a lot but the truth is, she's been almost useless in singles all year long. Meilen, on the other hand, has had one of the best years of her career. Meilen is just as good in doubles in Vania too. So picking Vania over Meilen is pretty strange.

floco
Jul 1st, 2007, 04:12 PM
They want King to sing the national anthem - there is nothing better than patriotism for American TV rates. :lol: :lol: :lol:

nflatte
Jul 1st, 2007, 04:13 PM
I think the decision was also made by considering the surface on which matches would be played. For example, it would be a poor choice to pick Vania if they are going to play on clay. I think it's upsetting that there is lack of communication between these players and Zina.

TS
Jul 1st, 2007, 04:39 PM
Vania is still just 18 years old, and Zina probably feels its best to blood the youngsters, rather than the older players. Also, Vania is quite a handy doubles player too.

Rising Sun
Jul 1st, 2007, 04:40 PM
That can be true for a very few select sad group of people. Whether it be because the Williams are black, Mauresmo is a lesbian, Meilen Tu is a Asian etc . There are also groups of fans of ANY player and of ANY race that will defend a player no matter what they do or how they act in any manner. I would like to think the above poll represents a true unbiased opinion of the asian TU and the asian/ african american KING.
Lastly, it would be nice if there was more support towards the like of Laura, Vania , Meilen and the crew when they are down and own and struggling to string wins together. Checkout TEAM USA and scroll down once in awhile from high above your perch to see what the rest of the USA Squad is up to. The could use the support..not just during fair weather :bounce: ...:wavey:
Since when is Vania African-American? :confused:

Rising Sun
Jul 1st, 2007, 04:41 PM
Didn't she decide to go college before turning pro?
Nope, she turned pro when she was 16.

NyCPsU
Jul 1st, 2007, 04:52 PM
its ridiculous imo...not only is meilen having a much better year in singles but i believe that meilen is a much better doubles player as well.

you shouldnt have to go communicate with the person in charge of the fed cup team, its her job to follow the results and select the best possible team. obviously zina has a different agenda.

meilen really wants to play in the olympics so this is upsetting that she likely wont get the chance.

In The Zone
Jul 1st, 2007, 04:57 PM
Granville and Craybas are deserving of consideration, but not spots. However, Tu has truly earned her spot on the team. And as well, what about Meghann? A team of Raymond/Shaughnessy would be very tough to beat. Personally, the personal favors Zina is doing for Vania is getting very old. She has not earned her spot and these girls are deserving and are proving themselves. If Granville makes it to the quarterfinals, she is in the same position as Tu. Zina needs to start thinking of all Americans and not just Venus and Serena and for some reason, King.

harloo
Jul 1st, 2007, 05:07 PM
If the complaints of Melien Tu and Laura Granville is all the Fed Cup US Team have to look forward too then US Tennis is in trouble. Both of these ladies would be eaten alive by the Russians if Zina put them on the team.

It is the discretion of the Captain to chose who she sees fit and if they are seriously interested in playing they could give Zina a call? I'm suprised that I haven't heard anything from Melien Tu or Laura Granville in the past over not being included, it looks like someone is trying to qualify for the Olympics.:tape: :lol:

GoDominique
Jul 1st, 2007, 05:12 PM
Well normally one would expect that it's an honour for players to be nominated to play for their country, so normally the team captain should assume that all players are interested in playing without them having to give her a call.

Also, it's Meilen Tu.

Wannabeknowitall
Jul 1st, 2007, 05:20 PM
its ridiculous imo...not only is meilen having a much better year in singles but i believe that meilen is a much better doubles player as well.

you shouldnt have to go communicate with the person in charge of the fed cup team, its her job to follow the results and select the best possible team. obviously zina has a different agenda.

meilen really wants to play in the olympics so this is upsetting that she likely wont get the chance.

That's not true.
In 2004, there were three singles spots for US players (might have even been four) and two spots for two doubles teams.

So the only reason I can see Meilen not making the Olympics is if Meghann becomes the higher ranked singles player than her and the Williams Sisters decide to play doubles.
Meghann who should have played the Olympics in 2004 (as she was the highest ranked doubles player) should probably get a shot this time around, the same way Lisa got a shot when she was screwed over in 2000.

The rule for playing the Olympics is making yourself AVAILABLE for a FED CUP team.
Well from this article it does seem like Meilen is making herself available.

harloo
Jul 1st, 2007, 05:24 PM
Well normally one would expect that it's an honour for players to be nominated to play for their country, so normally the team captain should assume that all players are interested in playing without them having to give her a call.

Also, it's Meilen Tu.

Maybe I would feel differently if MEILEN(didn't wan't to spell it wrong this time :lol: ) and Laura complained during the last round to let Zina know they felt her decision was unfair. However, their rant is so random which only leads me to believe they're only concerned about having a chance to play in the Olympics.

Realtennis
Jul 1st, 2007, 05:24 PM
Because Meilen and now Laura ( for the future ) are playing allot better than Vania. Trust me, i have NOTHING against Vania. I cheer her on all the time. I just think that Meilen is by the far the more in form player at the moment. :bounce:
Meilen's only problem though is that she isn't African American.
If she was, you can bet she would have been picked for the team!

harloo
Jul 1st, 2007, 05:27 PM
Meilen's only problem though is that she isn't African American.
If she was, you can bet she would have been picked for the team!

And Vania is African American? :tape: Why don't you evaluate the facts before making inaccurate and gross generalizations. :rolleyes:

ewbangkok
Jul 1st, 2007, 05:29 PM
I think Zina picks based on her own preference

polishprodigy
Jul 1st, 2007, 05:37 PM
Craybas has already been selected for the team, it's time to give Granville and Tu a chance.

BuTtErFrEnA
Jul 1st, 2007, 05:43 PM
If the complaints of Melien Tu and Laura Granville is all the Fed Cup US Team have to look forward too then US Tennis is in trouble. Both of these ladies would be eaten alive by the Russians if Zina put them on the team.

It is the discretion of the Captain to chose who she sees fit and if they are seriously interested in playing they could give Zina a call? I'm suprised that I haven't heard anything from Melien Tu or Laura Granville in the past over not being included, it looks like someone is trying to qualify for the Olympics.:tape: :lol:

:tape: LOL can'r argue there

plantman
Jul 1st, 2007, 05:43 PM
Perhaps it's time for a new fed cup captain!

BuTtErFrEnA
Jul 1st, 2007, 05:45 PM
I think she wants to give King more Fed Cup experience since she is young and the future of American tennis. Tu may have had a better year than Vania, but she is old and wont be around much longer and doesnt have as much to gain from the experience.

Anyway it doesnt matter as the Williams sisters will most likely be playing all the matches.

:worship: you are some kind of sorcerer! LOL :lol:

Williams-forever
Jul 1st, 2007, 06:38 PM
Oh yeah, i see the problem. The question how will it be solved? It's up to Zina who she will choose...

treufreund
Jul 1st, 2007, 07:44 PM
Nope Zina is really in the wrong. She is terribly in the wrong. To not even consider these girls, to not contact them, to not offer to help them is quite shockingly rude, insensitive and unprofessional. I am so sad and disappointed that people see this for the cliquishness that it represents. Really sad and disappointed in ZINA most of all. Keep your chin up Meilen and Laura!

CoryAnnAvants#1
Jul 1st, 2007, 08:00 PM
I think Zina may have been in the right for this decision, even though I don't agree with it. Vania has the potential to be an excellent doubles player for the United States in the future, something that Tu/Craybas/Granville don't really have. All the other girls are in better form in singles than Vania, but Venus and Serena will clearly be playing singles for this tie. What's the point of inviting Melien on the team if she's not going to play?

The other thing that might have been a factor as well is that Melien said she will NOT play beyond the US Open in 2008 and that if she can play in the Olympics, then she'll retire there. Craybas is about turn 33, Granville is 26 (and before this great run at Wimbledon, she'd be stuck in the same spot for about five years)...Vania is the only young gun with a CHANCE to really do something for the United States down the road.

That being said, all these girls have made it clear in the past that they will play Fed Cup whereever and whenever. For Zina not to even contact them is a bit messed up. We're trying to look towards the day when we won't have stalwart players like Venus and Serena to count on. You want to at least keep positive relations going. I hope that Zina doesn't turn into another BJK, who managed to piss off Amy Frazier of all people so badly that she refused to play Fed Cup ever again.

treufreund
Jul 1st, 2007, 08:33 PM
If you piss off someone like Amy Frazier then you really have a problem. BJK was rude to Capriati too.

iWill
Jul 1st, 2007, 08:35 PM
Oh please Laura has ONE good result and she's old. I think Zina has done very well to give the young American women a chance but they have failed to deliver. I mean jackson, king, perry, and Harkleroad are just not very good players. They have proven absolutely nothing. People complain about American men tennis but at least USA has two guys in the top 10 and four guys in the top 70.

I agree 100% but I think she is doing the right thing by giving them a chance because they need to get practice playing in big matches and they dont get that chance if they are going out in the 1st few rounds every tourny and when Tu, and Megan and Craybas are all gone these are going to be america's top women so shes doing the right thing who cares about them honestly they are pretty much through with their careers anyway sad but true!

iWill
Jul 1st, 2007, 08:37 PM
Nope Zina is really in the wrong. She is terribly in the wrong. To not even consider these girls, to not contact them, to not offer to help them is quite shockingly rude, insensitive and unprofessional. I am so sad and disappointed that people see this for the cliquishness that it represents. Really sad and disappointed in ZINA most of all. Keep your chin up Meilen and Laura!

oh please......... :rolleyes:

treufreund
Jul 1st, 2007, 08:40 PM
I agree 100% but I think she is doing the right thing by giving them a chance because they need to get practice playing in big matches and they dont get that chance if they are going out in the 1st few rounds every tourny and when Tu, and Megan and Craybas are all gone these are going to be america's top women so shes doing the right thing who cares about them honestly they are pretty much through with their careers anyway sad but true!


Well good point EXCEPT if Laura and Meilen are ranked HIGHER then we have EVERY REASON to believe that having them play in the next tie improves our teams chances. Why write off now and only think about the future. Vania and others can show up as alternates and practice with the team if they really care about it but the higher ranked players should be out there playing in the next tie.

iWill
Jul 1st, 2007, 08:44 PM
Well good point EXCEPT if Laura and Meilen are ranked HIGHER then we have EVERY REASON to believe that having them play in the next tie improves our teams chances. Why write off now and only think about the future. Vania and others can show up as alternates and practice with the team if they really care about it but the higher ranked players should be out there playing in the next tie.

the truth of the matter is who ever is playing besides Vee Reena and Raymond are only a spot filler for doubles anyway because as long as Vee and Reena do their job it wont matter if they win or lose and like I said since the state of american tennis is such a big issue I think its good that shes trying to help some up and comers to get better not trying to help washed up players looking for a break they've had their chances now its time to help the future like i said its sad but true and shes doing a great job in my opinion and obviously the USTA is ok to because she still has her job

CoryAnnAvants#1
Jul 1st, 2007, 09:17 PM
Well good point EXCEPT if Laura and Meilen are ranked HIGHER then we have EVERY REASON to believe that having them play in the next tie improves our teams chances. Why write off now and only think about the future. Vania and others can show up as alternates and practice with the team if they really care about it but the higher ranked players should be out there playing in the next tie.

Again, I don't think Vania is going to be playing singles unless Serena or Venus get injured. If she could barely beat Flipkens in the last tie, they're not going to be put her in over the Williams Sisters against a top Russian squad.

Vania is the third highest ranked American doubles player though. I'm assuming that for whatever reason, Meghann didn't make herself available and Vania got in. That seems perfectly reasonable to me.

I still think Zina should've taken the twenty minutes out of her day to make some phone calls to the other girls, but her decision really isn't as irrational as everyone is making it seem.

Farina Elia Fan
Jul 1st, 2007, 11:07 PM
Tu should be there

switz
Jul 1st, 2007, 11:29 PM
Clearly it's bad practice from Garrison not to be communicating with all players in the top 100. Especially given how prone to injury Venus and Serena are she really can't afford to alienate anyone.

Having said that i understand why King would be selected because the 4th player is unlikely to play any role in the tie and it's better to get a younger player in that position so that's she surrounded by champions in a team environment.

Rocketta
Jul 2nd, 2007, 12:26 AM
Somebody explain to me what is meant by making yourself available to play for you country to eligible for the olympics? To me that implies that the player has to notify the Fed Cup captain of their willingness to play not the other way around. :scratch:

Scotso
Jul 2nd, 2007, 12:41 AM
I didn't know communication was a one way street? Sure Zina could contact them but they could contact Zina as well and let her know how interested they are in playing.

She's the captain of the team. It's her JOB.

Rocketta
Jul 2nd, 2007, 12:52 AM
She's the captain of the team. It's her JOB.

no, it's her job to field a team that she thinks can win the Fed Cup, not placate every American tennis player's feelings so they feel wanted or needed. So now it's a coaches job to contact players they've decided 'not' to ask on the team? One, no one knows if Zina considered these players or not. All that is known is that she didn't contact them to say no I'm not picking you. Could she have done that, yes. Should she have done that, maybe. Does she have to do that, clearly not. Frankly as with anything that is important to you why would you sit on the sidelines waiting to be noticed or picked? When you really want something then you have to make it known. Also, to be eligible for the Olympics you have to make yourself available for Fed Cup play and that to me says the onus is on the player not the coach.

NyCPsU
Jul 2nd, 2007, 01:22 AM
That's not true.
In 2004, there were three singles spots for US players (might have even been four) and two spots for two doubles teams.

So the only reason I can see Meilen not making the Olympics is if Meghann becomes the higher ranked singles player than her and the Williams Sisters decide to play doubles.
Meghann who should have played the Olympics in 2004 (as she was the highest ranked doubles player) should probably get a shot this time around, the same way Lisa got a shot when she was screwed over in 2000.

The rule for playing the Olympics is making yourself AVAILABLE for a FED CUP team.
Well from this article it does seem like Meilen is making herself available.

i thought the thing was that you had to play for fed cup to play in the olympics, but i dont know if thats true, its just something i thought i read somewhere, maybe im wrong, but if that were the case than i dont think it is fair to meilen at all, being she deserves it over vania regardless if either of them are playing.

maybe zina just likes vania's rendition of the star spangled banner :o

AcesHigh
Jul 2nd, 2007, 01:51 AM
What is the big deal??? Venus and Serena will be playing all the matches and King can benefit more from the experience.

Junex
Jul 2nd, 2007, 02:46 AM
with Venus & Serena on the squad, it doesn't matter who the third/reserve player would be...


On the other hand, I agree that Zina should be held accountable for lack of information,courtesy with the other players, to mention Meileen. Zina is the authority here and its a command responsibility. Tu did her part in playing well to beef-up her rankings which is more than enough to get Zina's attention. Zina might not give the spot to Tu in favor of a much younger, new generation of players but at least a courtesy wouldn't take so much of her time. And I think thats what made Tu feel uncomfortable and I feel for her.

Jill & Laura's statements are testament that what Tu is saying is right.
I guess its true there are only two American tennis players in the person of WS, the rest are just dummies.....

Junex
Jul 2nd, 2007, 02:57 AM
Maybe I would feel differently if MEILEN(didn't wan't to spell it wrong this time :lol: ) and Laura complained during the last round to let Zina know they felt her decision was unfair. However, their rant is so random which only leads me to believe they're only concerned about having a chance to play in the Olympics.


Maybe because that was the only chance she got so far of voicing her concerns. Its not like Laura has a lot of press time in her career.:rolleyes:

~Eclipsed~
Jul 2nd, 2007, 03:18 AM
I just don't understand why Meilen wouldn't be considered. The only reasoning behind Zina's choice of Vania over Tu is because Vania is young and could benefit from the experience instead of Tu.

And maybe she isn't confrontational enough to tell Tu why she picked Vania over her.

Personally, I think she should have chosen Tu since it's a semifinal. But like other posters have said, I guess it doesn't matter because the WS will play the most anyway.

.Andrew.
Jul 2nd, 2007, 03:18 AM
Meilen, Laura, and Jill IMO deserve a spot much more than Vania.

Vania is having a bad year so far but I'm guessing she was chosen because Zina wants to expose probably America's best looking young, new rising star.

CrossCourt~Rally
Jul 2nd, 2007, 04:10 AM
Thanks to all who have voted . :hatoff:

silverwhite
Jul 2nd, 2007, 04:19 AM
no, it's her job to field a team that she thinks can win the Fed Cup, not placate every American tennis player's feelings so they feel wanted or needed. So now it's a coaches job to contact players they've decided 'not' to ask on the team? One, no one knows if Zina considered these players or not. All that is known is that she didn't contact them to say no I'm not picking you. Could she have done that, yes. Should she have done that, maybe. Does she have to do that, clearly not. Frankly as with anything that is important to you why would you sit on the sidelines waiting to be noticed or picked? When you really want something then you have to make it known. Also, to be eligible for the Olympics you have to make yourself available for Fed Cup play and that to me says the onus is on the player not the coach.

Still, isn't it a bit ridiculous that Tu, who is in the Top 40, hasn't even met her? Sure, the players should have approached her to indicate their interest, which Tu herself conceded, but the really good captains make sure they are up-to-date the form their top players are in and are at the very least acquainted with them. Guy Forget, after making his selection for the DC QF, called up practically all the French players in the Top 100 to explain his decision.

drake3781
Jul 2nd, 2007, 06:48 AM
Why doesn't Zina explain her choices? Who does she work for, and who is she responsible to? I assume this is a paid position.

Shouldn't more information be provided on why players were chosen. It was obviously not based on rank, which is the normal expectation.

Clearly better communciation both with the US players and with the public would go a long way.

It's a shame that the unselected players are left feeling passed over, without any explanation.

LucasArg
Jul 2nd, 2007, 07:55 AM
Meilen Tu:)

Petkorazzi
Jul 2nd, 2007, 09:39 AM
Meilen Should have been chosen .. Vania's season is :help: and if she doesnt gain some points, she will go out of top100 soon, cause I doubt she'll defend her title. Meilen's YTD Recor is 19:14, and she reached 2nd round at all the tournaments she played after memphis(Except Warsaw :p) and she beat players like srebotnik, muller, and had a great battle against dementieva, while vania has a negative record, and her best win of the year is against Kostanic :help: What to say about laura, she reached 4th round at wimby, and may reach Quarters since she has a very decend opponent.About Craybas, I dont have much to say

Petkorazzi
Jul 2nd, 2007, 09:43 AM
Meilen Should have been chosen .. Vania's season is :help: and if she doesnt gain some points, she will go out of top100 soon, cause I doubt she'll defend her title. Meilen's YTD Recor is 19:14, and she reached 2nd round at all the tournaments she played after memphis(Except Warsaw :p) and she beat players like srebotnik, muller, and had a great battle against dementieva, while vania has a negative record, and her best win of the year is against Kostanic :help: What to say about laura, she reached 4th round at wimby, and may reach Quarters since she has a very decend opponent.About Craybas, I dont have much to say

pigam
Jul 2nd, 2007, 09:48 AM
She's the captain of the team. It's her JOB.

exactly!! duh! how silly to say otherwise.
Players should not "throw themselves" at the FedCup captain, they should be contacted.
If Zina has her reasons not to pick them, fine. but to expect the players to go and "market" themselves is just silly. She is the captain, and therefore should scout them, and atleast talk to them.

Rocketta
Jul 2nd, 2007, 10:20 AM
Still, isn't it a bit ridiculous that Tu, who is in the Top 40, hasn't even met her? Sure, the players should have approached her to indicate their interest, which Tu herself conceded, but the really good captains make sure they are up-to-date the form their top players are in and are at the very least acquainted with them. Guy Forget, after making his selection for the DC QF, called up practically all the French players in the Top 100 to explain his decision.

Well that was nice of Guy but what does that have to do with Zina and what she 'has' to do? The point is like I said communication is a two way street. It's too bad Tu really wanted to play fed cup and she didn't get on the team but if she has never spoken to Zina and you can't tell me they've never found themselves at the same tournaments then it's a little :baby: to tell it to the press first before you ever tell it to the captain. That's not going to endear her to Zina.

It's funny because all those years Zina was assistant coach of the Fed Cup she didn't meet Tu then either. I wonder if BJK went and introduced herself to Tu. I like Tu and I'm glad she's having a great year for her but really get over it people we have no idea what Zina thinks, thought, or has planned and frankly if Tu really wanted to know she would ask Zina.

LudwigDvorak
Jul 2nd, 2007, 11:04 AM
King should play the irrelevant doubles Fed Cup match. Tu should play Olympics in singles. I know which I'd rather play.

silverwhite
Jul 2nd, 2007, 12:51 PM
Well that was nice of Guy but what does that have to do with Zina and what she 'has' to do? The point is like I said communication is a two way street. It's too bad Tu really wanted to play fed cup and she didn't get on the team but if she has never spoken to Zina and you can't tell me they've never found themselves at the same tournaments then it's a little :baby: to tell it to the press first before you ever tell it to the captain. That's not going to endear her to Zina.

It's funny because all those years Zina was assistant coach of the Fed Cup she didn't meet Tu then either. I wonder if BJK went and introduced herself to Tu. I like Tu and I'm glad she's having a great year for her but really get over it people we have no idea what Zina thinks, thought, or has planned and frankly if Tu really wanted to know she would ask Zina.

I didn't say she had to do it. I'm just saying that's what a good captain would do. :)

I can see why a player might not be thick-skinned enough or might feel embarrassed to approach the captain. Anyway, didn't Tu concede that it was partly her fault for not approaching Zina? And perhaps she was just answering a journalist's question about Fed Cup. :shrug:

Yes, communication is a two-way street so both parties are at fault here. :)

CrossCourt~Rally
Jul 2nd, 2007, 02:39 PM
I didn't say she had to do it. I'm just saying that's what a good captain would do. :)

I can see why a player might not be thick-skinned enough or might feel embarrassed to approach the captain. Anyway, didn't Tu concede that it was partly her fault for not approaching Zina? And perhaps she was just answering a journalist's question about Fed Cup. :shrug:

Yes, communication is a two-way street so both parties are at fault here. :)

True, but i bet Zina will be on that phone like a wild fire making calls if 1 or 2 of her girls pull out of the SemiFinals with an injury. Thats one of the reasons you try and keep a positive line of communication open with all of the top players in your country. :wavey: