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GeeTee
May 15th, 2007, 02:16 PM
Given the recent ruling regarding this topic (http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=296981), I'm really really really upset to see advertisements for 'Federer v Nadal - WATCH LIVE ON TV' and 'The Federer Book' at the top of every page in WTA World.

Could the mods please arrange for this to be removed please. The rules ARE that this site is supposedly for women's only tennis.

And it would be really nice if a mod is able to discuss this issue - most preferably in fluent English so as to avoid any misunderstandings of nuance due to language differences. I'm not trying to be nasty, just trying to work out the quickest route through some of these issues. Please help! We've asked for discussion of the issue before, but hasn't been allowed.

Thanks - I'm sure there are some helpful mods out there! :)

PS - another one of the reasons I worry about this thread being closed is here (http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=298189). Some mods just like to have their say and close the topic. If this is the rule of thumb here, where do we get any help from???

QuicKyMonSter
May 15th, 2007, 03:04 PM
What's the big problem about it?! :shrug:

griffin
May 15th, 2007, 03:10 PM
Now, now...just because you don't get the answer you WANT doesn't mean we're not helpful ;)

First, the Mod Squad has no control over the ads on the site.

That aside, there's a difference, imo between trying to channel discussions of men's tennis to a board created for that purpose, and allowing ads that create revenue to help support the site.

GeeTee
May 15th, 2007, 03:22 PM
Now, now...just because you don't get the answer you WANT doesn't mean we're not helpful ;)

The only answer I want is a two-way (or more) discussion with some logic and some reasons. I'm not stupid enough to ignore wholly financial reasons (in fact the major raison d'etre for whomever created this site, I'd think, rather than any love of the sport) but I do get annoyed when moderators end discussions about fairly reasonable topics with glib comments and then closure of the thread.

Now that's NOT helpful, but - you're right - it's not the answer I want. If you could point me to a post in here where moderators have been actually helpful in helping posters UNDERSTAND rules rather than just enforcing said arbitary rules without any logical discussion, I'd be obliged... but I won't be holding my breath...

griffin
May 15th, 2007, 03:27 PM
I have a better idea. This HAS been discussed - over and over and over again.

YOU want an answer, how about YOU take the initiative to look through this forum?

GeeTee
May 15th, 2007, 03:41 PM
I have a better idea. This HAS been discussed - over and over and over again.

YOU want an answer, how about YOU take the initiative to look through this forum?

I HAVE!!! I've seen lots of mods closing off topics or been unable to give an answer (or both) but the one thing I haven't seen yet is a mod actually being helpful to a poster.

That's why I was asking for the help of a moderator rather than glib answers - eg "This has been answered over and over". If you DO do a serach for (example) 'Federer' on here you get thousands of posts....., mostly irrelevant to your question....

Oh well, thanks for .......the usual...

griffin
May 15th, 2007, 03:51 PM
Well, that's funny, because I did a quick search for men's tennis in B&E and came up with close to 50 hits (and the short answer's even in my first post).

GeeTee
May 15th, 2007, 03:54 PM
Does any mod in here actually try to answer a (ANY!!!!) question posed or do they all just go off on their own tangent and go off into 'four legs bad, two legs good' kinda mode???

All I' need is one or two ACTUAL references to mods HELPING people (not just a handle change, Sachaisastar....) by explaining things rather than just lecturing with a 'close topic' once they've had THEIR say.

Please don't even think of answering this without answering my original question(s). I'm sure there are plenty of other topics to add your nothing to.

GeeTee
May 15th, 2007, 04:07 PM
Well, that's funny, because I did a quick search for men's tennis in B&E and came up with close to 50 hits (and the short answer's even in my first post).

Sorry Sacha - sorry I mean Griffin, perhaps I'm a lot dumber than you and the other mods in here, I just asked for a mod (and you were the only one to respond) to show me ONE example of how a mod has actually helped someone in here understand the rules. A question about men's tennis wasn't what I asked. Obviously, my error.....of course...

Belco
May 15th, 2007, 04:13 PM
The only answer I want is a two-way (or more) discussion with some logic and some reasons. I'm not stupid enough to ignore wholly financial reasons (in fact the major raison d'etre for whomever created this site, I'd think, rather than any love of the sport) but I do get annoyed when moderators end discussions about fairly reasonable topics with glib comments and then closure of the thread.

Now that's NOT helpful, but - you're right - it's not the answer I want. If you could point me to a post in here where moderators have been actually helpful in helping posters UNDERSTAND rules rather than just enforcing said arbitary rules without any logical discussion, I'd be obliged... but I won't be holding my breath...

im no mod but ill take a punt at answering ur question.
The reason the ad is there is for financial reasons. Forums aint cheap to run when they are as big as wtaworld and mentennisforums.

I assume atp masters series tv have stepped in with some financial support for them to display the advert so they can help keep wtaworld running smooth and fast. I dont see the big deal with it being there, if its supporting my favorite forum on the net.

Atleast its something tennis related and not a click here to win prizes or click here for a free ringtone or even click here for your free msn smileys (which will give u some nasty spyware :p).

Would you also like the mtf logo on te right removed and the mtf link in the banner? :rolleyes:

In the end its only an ad. Live with it!

p.s i think ur rude!

GeeTee
May 15th, 2007, 04:22 PM
p.s i think ur rude!

well.....thanks for answering, but the thread - and its' intent - was "Can any mods help". I'd just like to speak with one MOD (ie not you???) who can discuss logic (and maybe answer ONE friggin question), rather than just bleating away.

I know all about financial reasons (see one of my posts above) but if you think I'm being rude, please post the exact sentence I posted that IS rude (and why, in logical terms).

carot
May 15th, 2007, 04:28 PM
hey geetee... you seem to have missed the answer from griffin, who's an admin on this site:


That aside, there's a difference, imo between trying to channel discussions of men's tennis to a board created for that purpose, and allowing ads that create revenue to help support the site.


i can't discuss this topic with you myself seeing i'm not fluent in english. bummer for me!

Yasmine
May 15th, 2007, 04:28 PM
Well I'll answer!

So what, to be helpful we just have to show off and post some kind of big announcement on the board saying "look what i've done" I've helped! :rolleyes: Mods have been promoted, and it's not just for the sake of it, to make it look organised... As a matter of fact, every single mod in this place has at some point helped someone or the board getting cleaner. Everyone is doing their job as well as they can.

Yasmine
May 15th, 2007, 04:31 PM
On the problem of advert, the answer has been given to you and there is nothing more to add. Whether you like it or not.

Belco
May 15th, 2007, 04:34 PM
here are some examples of MODS helping users :)
http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=297770
http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=297766
http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=297420
http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=297262

and much more where that came from!

wops some are name changes

GeeTee
May 15th, 2007, 04:46 PM
Well I'll answer!

So what, to be helpful we just have to show off and post some kind of big announcement on the board saying "look what i've done" I've helped! :rolleyes: Mods have been promoted, and it's not just for the sake of it, to make it look organised... As a matter of fact, every single mod in this place has at some point helped someone or the board getting cleaner. Everyone is doing their job as well as they can.

NO - YASMIN - I asked ANY moderator to link me to A post where a moderator had been helpful.

To date, there hasn't been one link supplied - but please feel free to try and paste one in here if tou can find one. From my experience, they've been busy typing in 'do it yourself' or 'why complain' and I keep thinking 'I only asked one question; why couldn't they answer it?'

I myself HAVE searched through WTA world for years, but I still haven't found one good example of a mod actually providing assistance to anyone who's asked. I was hoping to be corrected, but apparently I was right.....

Some mods who've posted comments about males (not even tenns players) on these boards will actually tell you not to mention male players names....

I just wanna try and understand all this - I must be stupid - please help me..... I keep asking but the mods here don't ever seem to answer the actual questions asked. I'm sure they're able to read, so it must be my fault?

PS - No wanky posted - or sigs - or avatars - posted in this thread..

Yasmine
May 15th, 2007, 04:53 PM
That's what I'm saying Mods are helpful not only in posts. Actually personally I answer questions by PM mostly. And you just have to look in the bug sections: name changes, bubble changes, thread stickied you name it...

Yasmine
May 15th, 2007, 04:57 PM
I'm surprised Carot or Griffin hasn't used his censorship powers to close that thread that's not going anywhere.

carot
May 15th, 2007, 05:02 PM
I'm surprised Carot or Griffin hasn't used his censorship powers to close that thread that's not going anywhere.
by closing this thread i'd do something useful to this board, and that is against everything i apparantly stand for :D

GeeTee
May 15th, 2007, 05:04 PM
hey geetee... you seem to have missed the answer from griffin, who's an admin on this site:

i can't discuss this topic with you myself seeing i'm not fluent in english. bummer for me!

Hey Carot, thanks for your input. Griffin certainly provided an answer, but wasn't really to any question I posed. Hence, my point.

I have no probs whatsoever with language differences - it's one of the great educational opportunities the web provides (and some countries across the globe need this education far more than others!).

But, given some recent precedents on this board, I did think communication 'differences' had contributed to misunderstandings. (maybe I was being kind).

I did want a mod who was fully converstant in English to understand some of the nuaunces and (perhaps) inflections in my posts.

However, no matter what your mother tongue might be, it's still hard to actually get a mod answer to any question you pose in here - unless it's a real 'no-brainer'.

Anyway - enjoy your tennis and Peace!

Yasmine
May 15th, 2007, 05:10 PM
by closing this thread i'd do something useful to this board, and that is against everything i apparantly stand for :D
:devil: we all know you're just useless Carot :lol:


If you respect mods and ask a question in a decent way (meaning not expecting an answer within a second) you'll get a decent answer. So surely you haven't done that.

carot
May 15th, 2007, 05:11 PM
but she answered it perfectly! except she should have closed the thread after answering seeing your question had been handled. (she's been reprimanded as we speak)

VS has two tennisboards: one for wta, one for atp. by making them both exclusive to one of the tours we try to 'push' people into using both. otherwise we'd better create one big forum. (but that's harder for the servers, now the two forums are on separate servers, creating a better service for all of you, the members of both boards, with less downtime, faster connections etc.)

the ads are a completely different story. of course we can promote the atp tour on this board seeing that could make wta fans interested in the mens tennis forum that we also provide

it is VERY logic to me, maybe not to you, i do not know...

GeeTee
May 15th, 2007, 05:11 PM
I'm surprised Carot or Griffin hasn't used his censorship powers to close that thread that's not going anywhere.

Yasmine - I'm sure you're a wonderful person, but my post was about 'why can't a mod answer a simple question or two'. Not sure if you read actally read that one....

To date, no mod has gone close to even bothering to get near to answering my question. It should be a reasonable question. It's a fundamental of human rights to question the rules. Are you sure you're from France????? What happened to Liberte?

I wonder how you can say the thread isn't going anywhere...... is that my fault? or the mods who aren't answering? or the non-mods who are encouraging mods to close the thread??? whoah....

Yasmine
May 15th, 2007, 05:16 PM
Yasmine - I'm sure you're a wonderful person, but my post was about 'why can't a mod answer a simple question or two'. Not sure if you read actally read that one....

To date, no mod has gone close to even bothering to get near to answering my question. It should be a reasonable question. It's a fundamental of human rights to question the rules. Are you sure you're from France????? What happened to Liberte?

I wonder how you can say the thread isn't going anywhere...... is that my fault? or the mods who aren't answering? or the non-mods who are encouraging mods to close the thread??? whoah....
what the hell was your question exactly? and what is your point bringing up liberté or whatever in this? :scratch: there again it must be something to do with the fact english isn't my first language:rolleyes: ...


are mods useful? you're obviously believing they're not whatever we say. What do you want me to demonstrate? that for example as a mod I have been useful to somethings on this board? Would that make you change your mind? probably not so either you take my word for it, either no this thread has no use.

GeeTee
May 15th, 2007, 05:17 PM
it is VERY logic to me, maybe not to you, i do not know...

Errr so where is VERY logic that mixed doubles discussion goes or Hopman Cup or male coaches of women tennis players? Here or there???

carot
May 15th, 2007, 05:17 PM
something general totally unrelated to this topic and Geetees question: invisible mods are the best, seeing they handle their stuff decently without creating havoc ;)

griffin
May 15th, 2007, 05:20 PM
NO - YASMIN - I asked ANY moderator to link me to A post where a moderator had been helpful.

To date, there hasn't been one link supplied


I fail to see why anyone should bother to defend themselves to someone asking a question/making statements like this in a forum full of examples of mods helping people.

The answer to your original question can be found in this forum as well as this thread, and at this point you're simply being petulant.

Thread closed.