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samsung101
Apr 19th, 2007, 03:37 PM
Personally, I think NBC was wrong to air the video footage.
So quickly.
So easily.



NBC and other American outlets would not show America the
political cartoon that caused protests and riots last year.
Too serious, too inflammatory, too political, not good for us
to see, not necessary for us to see it. Europe, ditto.

NBC and other sources won't show us a lot of the 9/11 footage
they have, too gory, too sick, too much for our sensitive eyes.

Ditto for the Berg slaying, the Fallujah bodies burning, the two
soldiers bodies found dismembered in Iraq, Muslim killings in
Asia, Pakistan, or what the suicide bombers attacks really
look like in Israel - too much for our eyes. They censor that.

But, this, NBC quickly put it on the air.

Ratings.
Ratings.
Ratings.

Don Imus and his poor words is nothing compared to this misstep by
NBC. I would like to see the same hysteria and coverage on their
decision to show this, that was given to an old radio shock jocks
words. This is an important debate, not what an old geezer said and
apologized for quickly.

What was the rush NBC? Ratings.

A transcript, a glimpse of a few photos, that would have been
enough for tv. Instead, they air it over & over.

It's on the internet, I-Pods, cellphones, computers all over the
world. Kids are looking at it, and a new sicko is probably looking
at it right now, thinking, yeah, that's right.

venusdemilo
Apr 19th, 2007, 03:40 PM
In the end NBC gave this freak what he wanted. Posthumous fame. Notoriety. He's a martyr in his own sick, twisted mind.

timafi
Apr 19th, 2007, 03:55 PM
the parents of the victims don't deserve to see that mofo on tv like that;it's like glorifying him in a sense:mad:

samsung101
Apr 19th, 2007, 04:22 PM
Even Howard Kurtz of the Wash. Post, anything but
a conservative, has written that NBC was wrong to
air this.


It was, and is, wrong for NBC to have made it available
so fast.

They copied it before they contacted the cops I believe.
Why?

Why not hand over what is obviously evidence in an
international story?

Ask to copy it, don't presume.

A cartoon - won't show me.
A narcissitic mentally ill man imitating a South Korean
movie and two high school killers, they show me that
w/little hesitation.

Why did he pick NBC?
Will the media ask that question?

venus_rulez
Apr 19th, 2007, 04:26 PM
I thought Brian Williams did a very good job of not only portraying the news and media interest side of it, but also how it is viewing this material as a father, spouse, and just plain human. I understand from both points of view why the decision was made to air it. Even if it wasn't for this purpose, it's time our country stops allowing themselves to be blinded by extremely difficult and tough issues. We need to talk as a nation about what we're going to do with people like this and not just label them crazy at the drop of a hat, or blame gun laws, or whatever else we've been fed.

the cat
Apr 19th, 2007, 04:28 PM
It was wrong. I think it was a sad day for broadcasting and a sad day for anyone who who saw any of the hideous video. :sad: :mad:

darrinbaker00
Apr 19th, 2007, 04:35 PM
When this happened, everyone asked, "Why did this happen? What type of individual would do something like this?" The video answered those questions.

venus_rulez
Apr 19th, 2007, 04:38 PM
When this happened, everyone asked, "Why did this happen? What type of individual would do something like this?" The video answered those questions.

I agree with you 100%

Infiniti2001
Apr 19th, 2007, 04:45 PM
I just can't get his face out of my head :scared: :help:

Marshmallow
Apr 19th, 2007, 04:52 PM
The public so involved and they want to know what triggered it anyway - and now we're being given a chance.

He might get notoriety (for what he did anyway), but he probably won't get it in the way he intended. I doubt he wanted people to pity him. No-one is really listening to his message [whatever it was...],

volley1
Apr 19th, 2007, 04:53 PM
Personally, I think NBC was wrong to air the video footage.
So quickly.
So easily.



NBC and other American outlets would not show America the
political cartoon that caused protests and riots last year.
Too serious, too inflammatory, too political, not good for us
to see, not necessary for us to see it. Europe, ditto.

NBC and other sources won't show us a lot of the 9/11 footage
they have, too gory, too sick, too much for our sensitive eyes.

Ditto for the Berg slaying, the Fallujah bodies burning, the two
soldiers bodies found dismembered in Iraq, Muslim killings in
Asia, Pakistan, or what the suicide bombers attacks really
look like in Israel - too much for our eyes. They censor that.

But, this, NBC quickly put it on the air.

Ratings.
Ratings.
Ratings.

Don Imus and his poor words is nothing compared to this misstep by
NBC. I would like to see the same hysteria and coverage on their
decision to show this, that was given to an old radio shock jocks
words. This is an important debate, not what an old geezer said and
apologized for quickly.

What was the rush NBC? Ratings.

A transcript, a glimpse of a few photos, that would have been
enough for tv. Instead, they air it over & over.

It's on the internet, I-Pods, cellphones, computers all over the
world. Kids are looking at it, and a new sicko is probably looking
at it right now, thinking, yeah, that's right.
Fox showed it too. Are they wrong?

darrinbaker00
Apr 19th, 2007, 05:07 PM
Fox showed it to. Are they wrong?
Of course not. They're being "fair and balanced." ;)

griffin
Apr 19th, 2007, 06:44 PM
When this happened, everyone asked, "Why did this happen? What type of individual would do something like this?" The video answered those questions.

Did it? I haven't watched the videos and I refuse to do so, but from the conversations in our lunch room all the video did was confirm what we already knew about him. It didn't seem to explain how he got that way, what set him off, or even what he was talking about.

So if you've seen it, and you feel this way, can you tell me what answers this video provided? And what information did it provide that could not have been conveyed in other ways? (as an example, you didn't need to see pictures of his victims' bodies to know they were murdered/dead)

HippityHop
Apr 19th, 2007, 06:51 PM
Did it? I haven't watched the videos and I refuse to do so, but from the conversations in our lunch room all the video did was confirm what we already knew about him. It didn't seem to explain how he got that way, what set him off, or even what he was talking about.

So if you've seen it, and you feel this way, can you tell me what answers this video provided? And what information did it provide that could not have been conveyed in other ways? (as an example, you didn't need to see pictures of his victims' bodies to know they were murdered/dead)

Hear, hear!!

venus_rulez
Apr 19th, 2007, 07:04 PM
Did it? I haven't watched the videos and I refuse to do so, but from the conversations in our lunch room all the video did was confirm what we already knew about him. It didn't seem to explain how he got that way, what set him off, or even what he was talking about.

So if you've seen it, and you feel this way, can you tell me what answers this video provided? And what information did it provide that could not have been conveyed in other ways? (as an example, you didn't need to see pictures of his victims' bodies to know they were murdered/dead)


You didn't already know anything, you assumed it. It might have been confirmed this time, but that's part of the issue at hand here and in society in general

Jeff
Apr 19th, 2007, 07:08 PM
I absolutely thought the same thing. They should have never shown that footage. They could have told us what he said about his reasoning, but showing the footage just "glorified" his death in his opinion.

griffin
Apr 19th, 2007, 07:08 PM
You didn't already know anything, you assumed it.

So you needed this video to confirm what we'd already heard from his professors, classmates, etc.?

And again, did you need to see his video to believe that? Would it not have been enough to have the anchors describe what was on the tape? We didn't need pictures of dead bodies on the ground to "know" people had been killed, how is this different?

venus_rulez
Apr 19th, 2007, 07:15 PM
So you needed this video to confirm what we'd already heard from his professors, classmates, etc.?

And again, did you need to see his video to believe that? Would it not have been enough to have the anchors describe what was on the tape? We didn't need pictures of dead bodies on the ground to "know" people had been killed, how is this different?


Well, I didn't automatically jump to the conclusion that he was crazy. And the school officials made an assumption that the shootings in the dorms were a domestic dispute and USUALLY after the person gets their intended target, it's over. They were wrong. Point being, most of the time you can make an assumption and be right, but it's not fool proof. So it's nice to view a large body of evidence or whatever before making an opinion.

Apoleb
Apr 19th, 2007, 07:17 PM
So you needed this video to confirm what we'd already heard from his professors, classmates, etc.?

And again, did you need to see his video to believe that? Would it not have been enough to have the anchors describe what was on the tape? We didn't need pictures of dead bodies on the ground to "know" people had been killed, how is this different?

Well you can always base your own conclusions from the way you thought his attitude was, facial expressions..etc. Some said that the video was disturbing and others thought that it draws pitty.

But anyway, I agree that it shouldn't have been put on air. I especially feel for his family, having their son all over TVs. And there wasn't anything about it anyway, except someone acting in a deranged way.

Anyway, having thought about it, the video would have probably leaked to youtube in any case.

saniafan2005
Apr 19th, 2007, 07:26 PM
well, I watched the videos and I think its ok to watch them...

samsung101
Apr 19th, 2007, 08:35 PM
NBC - don't show America a political cartoon.
NBC - show America a killer's videotape he made
in between killings.

It's a low point for so called news journalists.

They could have given us the info, the transcript, minus
his ego driven poses, and made for internet imagery.

kabuki
Apr 19th, 2007, 08:57 PM
Ack. I agree with Samsung. I think the world is ending.

It is in poor taste, and I fear it will only encourage potential copy-cat incidents.

tennislover
Apr 19th, 2007, 11:04 PM
true but
on the other hand, it was almost impossible to decide not to show it! Once they had said: "he sent to us a video", they had the eyes of the whole world on themselves.........
we live in a "mediatic" world, after all......

Halardfan
Apr 19th, 2007, 11:39 PM
On balance I think it shouldnt have been shown, it gave him what he wanted.

Its ghoulish stuff, and I dont feel proud to admit I watched it on the news. I felt it in doing so it somehow made me/us complicit in the whole thing, yet watch it I did, cant hide that.

Brashkoala
Apr 20th, 2007, 12:13 AM
completely agree with you

Personally, I think NBC was wrong to air the video footage.
So quickly.
So easily.



NBC and other American outlets would not show America the
political cartoon that caused protests and riots last year.
Too serious, too inflammatory, too political, not good for us
to see, not necessary for us to see it. Europe, ditto.

NBC and other sources won't show us a lot of the 9/11 footage
they have, too gory, too sick, too much for our sensitive eyes.

Ditto for the Berg slaying, the Fallujah bodies burning, the two
soldiers bodies found dismembered in Iraq, Muslim killings in
Asia, Pakistan, or what the suicide bombers attacks really
look like in Israel - too much for our eyes. They censor that.

But, this, NBC quickly put it on the air.

Ratings.
Ratings.
Ratings.

Don Imus and his poor words is nothing compared to this misstep by
NBC. I would like to see the same hysteria and coverage on their
decision to show this, that was given to an old radio shock jocks
words. This is an important debate, not what an old geezer said and
apologized for quickly.

What was the rush NBC? Ratings.

A transcript, a glimpse of a few photos, that would have been
enough for tv. Instead, they air it over & over.

It's on the internet, I-Pods, cellphones, computers all over the
world. Kids are looking at it, and a new sicko is probably looking
at it right now, thinking, yeah, that's right.

go hingis
Apr 20th, 2007, 02:51 AM
I Agree.
1. I did not appreciate openning up my internet explorer and having guns pointed to my head, not only one picture but thruought the day they changed the pics, from two guns pointing at my head to one. I personally don't want to see the photos of him over and over again, They send chills up my spine.
2. He shouldn't be getting the publicity he obviously wanted.
3. We shouldn't be showing other crazy people what he said and did and the publicity that goes with it.
4. Think about the families / friends / students who have to go school