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Volcana
Feb 10th, 2007, 02:56 AM
I mean, how many more people died in Darfur today?

Well, that's not entirely fair. But Anna Nicole Smith was a minor celebrity who's chief claim to fame was being unashamed about marrying for money. Why is this a major news event? Rather than the Lt. Ehren Watada trial, or the Scooter Libby trial, or the latest global warming report?

What exactly am I missing here?

tennisIlove09
Feb 10th, 2007, 02:58 AM
Because of the story that is left behind of how she died & her 5 month old daughter, who does not have a father.

Volcana
Feb 10th, 2007, 03:03 AM
Because of the story that is left behind of how she died & her 5 month old daughter, who does not have a father.That doesn't make sense. There are THOUSANDS of American kids left withoutr a parent as a result of the Iraq war. How their parent died is certainly news. And news more critically to the lives of the average American.

This calls to mind a passage froma paper by Steve Ray called Mary, Saints, Worship and Salvation. The paper isn't relevent to this issue, but the passage is.
"Weakness in language, lack of knowledge of history (especially of hierarchies and kingdoms), leveling of our social consciousness, lack of respect for elders, nobility, and heroes, reflected in the fact that most “heroes” today are not the kind of heroes venerated in generations past, those moral and principled folks who stood for goodness, truth, and beauty even at the expense of their own lives at times. Heroes today are simply those who are famous for being well known, such as sports figures, rock stars, and the like. "

cellophane
Feb 10th, 2007, 03:11 AM
I have no clue.

drake3781
Feb 10th, 2007, 03:19 AM
For one thing she just recently completed her own reality show, which many people watched. So I guess they sort of feel like they know her.

Also it was a sudden death under mysterious circumstances.

croat123
Feb 10th, 2007, 03:22 AM
because news stations want ratings...they couldn't care less about the news

this story is going to go on and on for weeks now because it's an easy way to make money with very low cost

California
Feb 10th, 2007, 03:27 AM
She's a pop-culutre icon for God's sake. I have been reading a few people spewing immense detestation towards Anna, and it's truly perturbing. Some have been talking about "so what?" "Why do people even care?" It goes to show how insenstive some of the people on this board are. The only one I can think of at the moment is bloc_party. What a complete and utter jerk!

Yes, there are thousands of people dying each day, but you have to keep in mind that Anna Nicole was constantly under the public eye. Why the heck on Earth wouldn't her death be highly publicized? Especially given the circumstances of the last 5 or 6 months. I have to wonder if some of you went to school. It's truly sad and shokcing to see so much apathy.

Berlin_Calling
Feb 10th, 2007, 03:32 AM
she was a major celebrity, not a minor one. when celebrities die, it is usually covered by the press. Do you expect the press to cover every single death that occured in Iraq, Darfur, etc. yesterday?

cellophane
Feb 10th, 2007, 03:36 AM
she was a major celebrity, not a minor one. when celebrities die, it is usually covered by the press. Do you expect the press to cover every single death that occured in Iraq, Darfur, etc. yesterday?

Not surprised at the press coverage, but I am surprised at the reaction.

Apoleb
Feb 10th, 2007, 03:39 AM
She's a huge celebrity that people felt they knew to some degree. So ofcourse they are going to react to her death.

Sally Struthers
Feb 10th, 2007, 03:40 AM
because more people know (as in know who she is) her

Stamp Paid
Feb 10th, 2007, 03:56 AM
I dont get it either.
Seems like all this drama belongs on the E! channel, and not CNN.

NyCPsU
Feb 10th, 2007, 04:03 AM
at first i didnt understand either
but it came up in one of my classes today and my professor made some good points:

compare her story/situation to a few recent celebs who have gotten just as much media coverage over their deaths recently

ex-prez ford, james brown, ect.

her death was both sudden and unexpected, theirs not as much
we still dont know why she died, there was no mystery around the others
but most importantly how many times have you heard about her in the news before her death...many many times
before the others there wasnt much going on with them, but this one has drama/mystery all over the place

also he made the point people my age and younger (im 19) wouldnt really grasp how much of a celebrity she really was since her prime and best days were more before our pop culture time

PatrickRyan
Feb 10th, 2007, 04:23 AM
she was playmate of the year
guess model
reality tv show star
trim spa spokes person
biggest of all was her personal life

Jakeev
Feb 10th, 2007, 04:59 AM
It doesn't matter if you like it or not, the reality is Americans love there celebrities, not matter who good or bad.

It's like what L.A. radio DJ Richard Blade said the other day, it's amazing how warped our priorities are when people are dying in Iraq everyday while a woman who was famous for simply being famous grabs all the headlines.

I'm not going to deny I am shocked at Anna's death. I actually liked her. But after all the crazy stuff that has been happening in the world, it makes you realize how messed up we really are.

Anna Nicole was escapism and in 50 years, she will probably still be talked about.....

Wigglytuff
Feb 10th, 2007, 05:17 AM
I mean, how many more people died in Darfur today?

Well, that's not entirely fair. But Anna Nicole Smith was a minor celebrity who's chief claim to fame was being unashamed about marrying for money. Why is this a major news event? Rather than the Lt. Ehren Watada trial, or the Scooter Libby trial, or the latest global warming report?

What exactly am I missing here?

she was a human being. i think its disturbing to ask people why they care about a person dieing whether or not they knew that person. you are right you entire question and the idea behind it is very unfair.

RJWCapriati
Feb 10th, 2007, 05:36 AM
She was 39, beautiful, captivating and an icon.

CooCooCachoo
Feb 10th, 2007, 09:16 AM
She was 39, beautiful, captivating and an icon.

Beautiful? Uhm.

Captivating? Well, she was fascinating in her own, twisted way, I guess.

An icon? To whom?

Seriously, I agree with Volcana. This is stuff for gossip magazines and entertainment shows, not for the serious media.

Viktymise
Feb 10th, 2007, 09:27 AM
Why do some peole even care that its suck big news, what they still don't like her know she's dead or something :o, she was a well known celebrity who had a recent reality show, her son just died months ago, she has a daughter and has been involved in many high profile lawsuits over the past few years, her death was sudden and shoking because she was young and although peole may have thought she may be on drugs or whatever never actually thought she would die

GoDominique
Feb 10th, 2007, 10:15 AM
Because she was in Naked Gun 33 1/3.

Martian Jeza
Feb 10th, 2007, 10:39 AM
For Americans ( USA ) it is, not for me : it won't change my life. I'm not a people news hunter...

jrm
Feb 10th, 2007, 10:44 AM
USA is my anwser

Do people actually know how many people died in civil wars in Africa in last few years? Not many! And people still talk about 9/11 ...

Martian Jeza
Feb 10th, 2007, 10:48 AM
USA is my anwser

Do people actually know how many people died in civil wars in Africa in last few years? Not many! And people still talk about 9/11 ...

9/11 was an inside job but this is another story and we go off-topic. A star will always get much more attention than "normal" people. Anna Nicole Smith died : what a disaster ! People dying from wars in Africa or somewhere else in the world ? Not a problem... Welcome into the modern world :)

The_Pov
Feb 10th, 2007, 12:09 PM
Because of the story that is left behind of how she died & her 5 month old daughter, who does not have a father.

And because this little girl is going to inherit MILLIONS and 3 men are claiming her as their's.

tennislover
Feb 10th, 2007, 12:16 PM
She's a pop-culture icon for God's sake. I have been reading a few people spewing immense detestation towards Anna, and it's truly perturbing.
Yes, there are thousands of people dying each day, but you have to keep in mind that Anna Nicole was constantly under the public eye. Why the heck on Earth wouldn't her death be highly publicized? Especially given the circumstances of the last 5 or 6 months.

very true

!<blocparty>!
Feb 10th, 2007, 12:40 PM
Why is Anna Nicole Smith's death such big news?

Well the Superbowl is over now and there isn't really any other 'big' news to report on. The world is fucked up, but we all know that.

I love how I'm a 'complete and utter jerk' for rolling my eyes at all the attention her death has recieved. It's Anna Nicole Smith, not Mother bloody Theresa.

Lord Nelson
Feb 10th, 2007, 12:46 PM
It was not big news in Europe. This is mostly an American thing.

wta_zuperfann
Feb 10th, 2007, 01:05 PM
Anna Nicole was escapism ...


The pro war CNN network is especially interested in spending so much time on this matter as it provides a very convenient distraction from Bush's failed war on Iraq and his plans for invading Iran.

iPatty
Feb 10th, 2007, 01:07 PM
i was wondering this too.

she was basically seen as a joke here in america, so i don't understand why everyone is so interested in her death now.

Veritas
Feb 10th, 2007, 01:15 PM
Why? Maybe because there's so much happening with her, it's hard not to take interest. Her biological son passed away while her daughter's left without the two people in the world who cared about her existence. It certainly doesn't seem fair this gets treated as if it's a bigger tragedy than what goes on in the lives of other everyday Americans, but it's still a lot to take in.

Plus the fact her face was on the news and cameras 24/7. People were following her life because she let them; if other Americans allowed themselves as much exposure, I'm sure their personal tragedies would get just as much attention.

SelesFan70
Feb 10th, 2007, 02:49 PM
:shrug:

I still can't believe they blocked off streets to get her to the hospital faster. :rolleyes:

Berlin_Calling
Feb 10th, 2007, 03:37 PM
PS I think anyone who stars in such an OUTSTANDING and HILARIOUS commercial is an American Icon.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jJZdaWT9nOo

So sad she died in that same hotel :(

ys
Feb 10th, 2007, 03:42 PM
she was a human being. i think its disturbing to ask people why they care about a person dieing whether or not they knew that person. you are right you entire question and the idea behind it is very unfair.

Absolutely. A death of such a young person is always disturbing.. Especially given that she was a part of million's people lives and they cared.

PS: I though have very little clue about who she is outside of that little info that is supplied in obituary..

Calypso
Feb 10th, 2007, 03:50 PM
I was clueless as to who Anna Nicole Smith was :eek:(?) until the news of her death, on :rolleyes: [B]CNN. Her life story seems tragic, may she R.I.P.

BigB08822
Feb 10th, 2007, 04:03 PM
I mean, how many more people died in Darfur today?

Well, that's not entirely fair. But Anna Nicole Smith was a minor celebrity who's chief claim to fame was being unashamed about marrying for money. Why is this a major news event? Rather than the Lt. Ehren Watada trial, or the Scooter Libby trial, or the latest global warming report?

What exactly am I missing here?


You are asking a very dumb question and one to which you already know the answer to. Her death is big news because this is how our society works. There is nothing you can do about it. I find it ironic that you contribute to the hoopla surrounding her death by creating a new thread on it and then wonder why people keep talking about it?

Outlander
Feb 10th, 2007, 04:09 PM
In America, the general consensus was that she was spectacle; a former Playmate, married a tycoon for money, disappeared only to re-emerge a fat slob on a reality tv show (Like watching a train wreck), then lost weight on the Trimspa ....

Well, that's just it. She was a spectacle and evertything that is wrong with fame. It is sad thatshe passed away. As crazy as she may have been seen, I don;t believe she was known to be a mean person, just a lost soul.

rottweily
Feb 10th, 2007, 04:26 PM
Because the American media is beyond moronic.

Volcana
Feb 10th, 2007, 05:14 PM
She's a pop-culutre icon for God's sake. I have been reading a few people spewing immense detestation towards Anna, and it's truly perturbing. Some have been talking about "so what?" "Why do people even care?" It goes to show how insenstive some of the people on this board are. The only one I can think of at the moment is bloc_party. What a complete and utter jerk!

Yes, there are thousands of people dying each day, but you have to keep in mind that Anna Nicole was constantly under the public eye. Why the heck on Earth wouldn't her death be highly publicized? Especially given the circumstances of the last 5 or 6 months. I have to wonder if some of you went to school. It's truly sad and shokcing to see so much apathy.What circumstances of the last 5 or 6 months? I'm not a 'pop-culture' person, outside of sports. I don't have anything against her. It's just that she's not science, politics, religion, war, race relations, or natural disaster, or space exploration, so I don't know what's going on with her.

And I had no idea she had a reality show, so I guess a lot of people might have seen that.

Now that I think about it, what exactly IS a 'pop culture icon' anyway?

Joana
Feb 10th, 2007, 05:33 PM
It doesn't matter if you like it or not, the reality is Americans love there celebrities, not matter who good or bad.


OK about the Americans, but why did my mother make me watch the news on CNN today so I could tell her what they're saying about ANS? She had only heard about her once or twice before.
And yesterday at my uni everybody was talking about her even though she was a nobody here. It's really bizarre.

BigB08822
Feb 10th, 2007, 05:58 PM
What circumstances of the last 5 or 6 months?

On Sep 7th she had a brand new baby girl. On Sep 10th her son Daniel, who was only 20 yrs old, died suddenly. There was a major media frenzy around his death and many were left speculating what really happened. After this happened then Anna had to deal with someone else claiming to be the father of her baby. That has been in and out of court up until her death. On top of all of that, there was just a big lawsuit filed against Trimspa and in the lawsuit they included ANS since she marketed the product. I believe the lawsuit was about frivolous claims as to what Trimspa can do. I would say she had a really tough time since September 2006.

Volcana
Feb 10th, 2007, 06:02 PM
On Sep 7th she had a brand new baby girl. On Sep 10th her son Daniel, who was only 20 yrs old, died suddenly. There was a major media frenzy around his death and many were left speculating what really happened. After this happened then Anna had to deal with someone else claiming to be the father of her baby. That has been in and out of court up until her death. On top of all of that, there was just a big lawsuit filed against Trimspa and in the lawsuit they included ANS since she marketed the product. I believe the lawsuit was about frivolous claims as to what Trimspa can do. I would say she had a really tough time since September 2006.
Interesting. I'm a real news junkie too, and I didn't know about any of that. Of course, as I said, I'm not really a pop-culture person.

CondiLicious
Feb 10th, 2007, 06:15 PM
Anna Nicole's death is such big news because it is a pure gossip story. And everyone loves gossip, although some people try to deny they do and act like they are above it all. I don't think she was a minor celebrity. Sure she was really only famous for being famous but she was always on the celeb gossip shows, always in the tabloids and whenever she was in court over the money battle it was in the more "serious" newspapers too. She was always "there" and I think like with a lot of overexposed celebrities we became used to her and subconsciously we actually became interested in what was going on in her train wreck life.

She'd been through a lot the past 6 months and I think that has added to why it's such a major news story. People feel a bit sorry for her. I know I do. And I do feel bad for laughing at her so much over the years. It's a major news story because of the paternity battle over her daughter. It's major news because she went to the Supreme Court to fight for Howard Marshall's money... that's a significant "achievement". It's a major news story because her son died only a few months ago in similar circumstances. It's a major news story because she has died young and in suspicious circumstances.

Rightly or wrongly this is the news story that the vast majority of Americans want to see and hear about. It's even been the lead story in the UK (for the trashy newspapers at least) for the past couple of days. I think as a society we've lost the ability to distinguish between what is gossip and what is real news. The boundaries have been blurred for a long time. This is nothing new.

And also it's a more interesting and worthy lead story than the death of that horse Barbaro that all the networks led with a week or so ago. And even local news was reporting on. I mean... it was a horse! It was sad he died but to have it be the lead? hahaha

*JR*
Feb 10th, 2007, 07:16 PM
Why, Volcana? Because ppl with the mentality of peons live their lives thru others. (Why do you think soccer fans riot in Italy, or matches like the Masha-Serena AO final are treated in GM like WW 3?)

Kudos 2U, Helen, CooCoo, bloc_party, Miching, moon, SF70, and a handful of others here whose posts haven't been pathetic whining that a celebrity who contributed nothing to society died @ a young age. Re. CNN, they were wall-to-wall with the OJ trial (including panels of legal experts analyzing it). Would they do that with a murder case not involving celebrity?

And while the matter of the baby is true, there are many who lose their mothers who don't have millions waiting for them when they turn 18 or 21. So ppl here (and in broader society) can lie to themselves about the kid being the main reason they're captivated by this, but thats pure BS. :spit:

CondiLicious
Feb 10th, 2007, 07:26 PM
She looked good naked when she wasn't fat. I'll always appreciate her for that.

Ellery
Feb 10th, 2007, 09:16 PM
Same here, Volcana.

vogus
Feb 10th, 2007, 11:40 PM
I mean, how many more people died in Darfur today?

Well, that's not entirely fair. But Anna Nicole Smith was a minor celebrity who's chief claim to fame was being unashamed about marrying for money. Why is this a major news event? Rather than the Lt. Ehren Watada trial, or the Scooter Libby trial, or the latest global warming report?

What exactly am I missing here?



I agree with you. But the US media doesn't work in an organized way. They are in a constant frenzy to report things that they know are going to sell.
The ugly truth is that to the American media, the life of one white American soft-porn icon is more significant than thousands of lives in Darfur or Bangladesh. And that isn't going to change soon. The media doesn't care about somebody dying. The media cares about what sells.

Randy H
Feb 11th, 2007, 02:08 AM
Why, Volcana? Because ppl with the mentality of peons live their lives thru others. (Why do you think soccer fans riot in Italy, or matches like the Masha-Serena AO final are treated in GM like WW 3?)

Kudos 2U, Helen, CooCoo, bloc_party, Miching, moon, SF70, and a handful of others here whose posts haven't been pathetic whining that a celebrity who contributed nothing to society died @ a young age. Re. CNN, they were wall-to-wall with the OJ trial (including panels of legal experts analyzing it). Would they do that with a murder case not involving celebrity?

And while the matter of the baby is true, there are many who lose their mothers who don't have millions waiting for them when they turn 18 or 21. So ppl here (and in broader society) can lie to themselves about the kid being the main reason they're captivated by this, but thats pure BS. :spit:

Regardless of what you or anyone else thought of Anna Nicole Smith or her life, I don't think it's any more classy to insult the worth of her death being a news story than it is the media exploiting her story for ratings like they have done for years with the rest of her mostly train-wreck life.

It's the reality that the news cares more about ratings than about the actual news itself. I'm not saying it's right that people getting killed in wars seem to get less attention than celebrity gossip, but you can still have some respect at the same time. The woman was a mother to a child, a daughter/relative to a family, a friend to others, and she lived her life through the media from the best of her career, to the worst, tragic moments of her life. She was messed up, and I can honestly say that I never once laughed at her, I honestly felt sorry for her. I think she was a very troubled woman before she even became a celebrity, and when you reach the kind of celebrity she became, you lose touch with what is reality, and bad things can happen with that. Maybe she won't be remembered as being an integral contributor to bettering our society, but she was a human being just like any of us, who had feelings and made mistakes and bad choices. Understanding that, and looking beyond being judgemental of others, does not mean you don't feel empathy for the stories that don't make the news, or that you are 'pathetically whining'.

Besides, we *all* have fascinations with other humans in some form or other (celebrity, hero, etc.)...You spend a lot of time on this very forum following (or creating) the stories of Patty Schnyder, Lei/Elke Clijsters, and others solely for the purpose of insulting them, making it known you have 'connections', or trying to discredit them in some shape or form. So to condemn others and brand them as 'peons' seems hypocritical to me...

moon
Feb 11th, 2007, 02:14 AM
I feel sorry for people in this thread that were calling Anna Nicole Smith an icon. Are you all that hard up to believe in someone that a drug addicted media whore, with no talent to speak of would qualify as someone who deserves to be called an icon? The woman was a hot mess if there ever was one.

nikita771
Feb 11th, 2007, 02:51 AM
The loss of any life is tragic - whether it is Anna Nicole or the people of Darfur - all deserve to be mourned and respected. I personally was saddened by her death and pray for the child who will grow up without a mother. At the same time, I pray nightly and contribute monthly to the invisible children of Uganda (www.invisiblechildren.com (http://www.invisiblechildren.com)) who literally are stolen and trained to become killing machines or forced to hide during the day and seek refuge at night to avoid this horrible war going on in their country. It's not like we are unaware of what is going on with either situation and people will choose to put their energy (and sympathy) where they want.

Fingon
Feb 11th, 2007, 03:01 AM
I mean, how many more people died in Darfur today?

Well, that's not entirely fair. But Anna Nicole Smith was a minor celebrity who's chief claim to fame was being unashamed about marrying for money. Why is this a major news event? Rather than the Lt. Ehren Watada trial, or the Scooter Libby trial, or the latest global warming report?

What exactly am I missing here?

When you find out please let me know

disposablehero
Feb 11th, 2007, 06:00 AM
Well for starters because I lost 20 bucks betting on Courtney Love.

Jeff
Feb 11th, 2007, 06:09 AM
because more people know (as in know who she is) her

Yes the simple, short and logical answer. And I personally feel sad for her. She might have issues, but the death of her son was just horrible, and it's just a tragic ending.

Andy.
Feb 11th, 2007, 07:18 AM
I think its really sad, the poor girl was so messed up and has some real issues and her life was not that easy with her son dying and all the court cases and mean stories. And now her poor daughter has no mom and about 3 money hungry wannabe fathers.

*JR*
Feb 11th, 2007, 02:47 PM
Besides, we *all* have fascinations with other humans in some form or other (celebrity, hero, etc.)...You spend a lot of time on this very forum following (or creating) the stories of Patty Schnyder, Lei/Elke Clijsters, and others solely for the purpose of insulting them, making it known you have 'connections', or trying to discredit them in some shape or form. So to condemn others and brand them as 'peons' seems hypocritical to me...
Your analogy sux. The Schnyder soap opera was created by ppl like the 2 Rainers, maybe the Peppermint Parents, and of course PP herself. (And its tennis related, on a tennis bulletin board). Lei Clijsters clearly wangled Elke (maybe a very nice kid, but without one single WTA or Slam match win in singles) undeserved maindraw WC's in Tier II Antwerp (which Kim's agent Bob Verbeeck runs) 3 times and Tier II Leipzig twice.

So once again, the hell with the whole Anna Nicole story. (Re. Barbaro, he won several major races, including of course the Kentucky Derby. In other words, he achieved more in every respect except "marrying money" than this blond bimbo ever did).

Randy H
Feb 11th, 2007, 06:32 PM
Your analogy sux. The Schnyder soap opera was created by ppl like the 2 Rainers, maybe the Peppermint Parents, and of course PP herself. (And its tennis related, on a tennis bulletin board). Lei Clijsters clearly wangled Elke (maybe a very nice kid, but without one single WTA or Slam match win in singles) undeserved maindraw WC's in Tier II Antwerp (which Kim's agent Bob Verbeeck runs) 3 times and Tier II Leipzig twice.

So once again, the hell with the whole Anna Nicole story. (Re. Barbaro, he won several major races, including of course the Kentucky Derby. In other words, he achieved more in every respect except "marrying money" than this blond bimbo ever did).

What difference does it make who created the soap opera? Did the general public create the soap opera known as Anna Nicole's life? No, but you still felt that these people were somehow living their life through those stories, just as I stated I feel you've done in the past with the likes of the Schnyder and Clijsters family. Perhaps you didn't create their messes, but you have been among the first to jump in and stir things up all the more, and continue to re-hash stories and incidents from the past. You've made it a personal agenda to troll threads about them in order to make snide remarks, and only recently did you concede that you've formed some of these opinions based upon information that was not necessarily 100% true. The fact that you've pursued these issues so consistently years after they have even first occurred seems as good a notion as any to suggest you've crossed a line with involving yourself in their lives.

I'm not trying to portray Anna Nicole Smith as a martyr, or a woman who did a lot of great memorable things in her time for the rest of the world. Not at all, and that is not the point. I don't think she was a *bad* person, she was messed in the head, and she clearly went through a lot of pain through her life that contributed to the path she took and the poor choices she made. She was still a human being though, and deserves some respect. There are ways to get a point across about other people dying, other people who have died risking their lives, making great contributions to others, etc. without disrespecting another human being that died in the process of pointing this out.

Vlover
Feb 11th, 2007, 07:20 PM
I feel sorry for people in this thread that were calling Anna Nicole Smith an icon. Are you all that hard up to believe in someone that a drug addicted media whore, with no talent to speak of would qualify as someone who deserves to be called an icon? The woman was a hot mess if there ever was one.

I would suggest they go check what the word icon means because it's definately misplaced when used in reference to ANS. Obviously 24/7 cable news will go with anything to fill their time spots therefore its more about that than ANS herself.

You can feel pity for her but those were her life choices. I feel more pity for the family she left behind especially now that they have to go sort through the mess she left behind for her child's sake.

Tommy85
Feb 11th, 2007, 07:51 PM
i didn't even know she's dead...*g*

Fire_Fox
Feb 11th, 2007, 07:58 PM
Well! Then why Marilyn Monroe`s death was such a big news?

Tenis Srbija
Feb 11th, 2007, 10:07 PM
I'm sorry for her :awww:

She wasn't "good girl" (marying a guy old enough to be father of hers grandfather) but still, she was known, and anyone dying is sad :sad: :sad:

*JR*
Feb 11th, 2007, 10:57 PM
What difference does it make who created the soap opera? Did the general public create the soap opera known as Anna Nicole's life? No, but you still felt that these people were somehow living their life through those stories, just as I stated I feel you've done in the past with the likes of the Schnyder and Clijsters family. Perhaps you didn't create their messes, but you have been among the first to jump in and stir things up all the more, and continue to re-hash stories and incidents from the past. You've made it a personal agenda to troll threads about them in order to make snide remarks, and only recently did you concede that you've formed some of these opinions based upon information that was not necessarily 100% true. The fact that you've pursued these issues so consistently years after they have even first occurred seems as good a notion as any to suggest you've crossed a line with involving yourself in their lives.

I'm not trying to portray Anna Nicole Smith as a martyr, or a woman who did a lot of great memorable things in her time for the rest of the world. Not at all, and that is not the point. I don't think she was a *bad* person, she was messed in the head, and she clearly went through a lot of pain through her life that contributed to the path she took and the poor choices she made. She was still a human being though, and deserves some respect. There are ways to get a point across about other people dying, other people who have died risking their lives, making great contributions to others, etc. without disrespecting another human being that died in the process of pointing this out.
First off, there's a big difference between the Schnyder Saga and the Clijsters Clan. Only the first is a "mess". The other was a perfectly sane opportunist pimping out his very talented daughter to get undeserved goodies for the other one. And I never retracted that Hoffy is indeed a criminal, I just admitted that maybe Patty's Parents weren't angels either.

Re. Anna Nicole, I already said that most Playboy centerfolds probably go on to live fairly normal lives. Even most "exotic dancers" probably do, I'm not judging her for that either. But this golddigger married a guy on death's door and then tried to get (half?) his estate like it had been a real marriage. I guess even the $89 million the first judge reduced it to was "chump change".

The hell with her; and the idiots both on this board and elsewhere who gave her light years more
sympathy than a 39 year old nurse, teacher, bricklayer, banker, etc. (with a young child) who died would get from them. (Including ones who weren't @ fault in their own deaths, whereas Anna Nicole probably used more drugs than one could keep track of). You don't like my posting Randy, too bad. :ras:

Volcana
Feb 12th, 2007, 12:35 AM
Well! Then why Marilyn Monroe`s death was such a big news?I was a kid then, but it WASN'T big news in my house. When MLK died, the whole world stopped, as far as my family was concerned. Marilyn Monroe's death was a blip on the radar screen, relatively speaking.

However, Marilyn Monroe was quite accomplished in her field, so I don't think the comparison to Anna Nicole Smith is apt.

A more apt comparison is Diana of Wales.

* Both were ordinary people.
* Both married into wealth, acquiring fame in the process.
* Both were famous for who they were, not what they accomplished.
* Both failed to handle their circumstances well.
* Both died untimely deaths.

* And, if I understand what one is, both were 'pop culture icons'.

Randy H
Feb 12th, 2007, 12:49 AM
First off, there's a big difference between the Schnyder Saga and the Clijsters Clan. Only the first is a "mess". The other was a perfectly sane opportunist pimping out his very talented daughter to get undeserved goodies for the other one. And I never retracted that Hoffy is indeed a criminal, I just admitted that maybe Patty's Parents weren't angels either.

Re. Anna Nicole, I already said that most Playboy centerfolds probably go on to live fairly normal lives. Even most "exotic dancers" probably do, I'm not judging her for that either. But this golddigger married a guy on death's door and then tried to get (half?) his estate like it had been a real marriage. I guess even the $89 million the first judge reduced it to was "chump change".

The hell with her; and the idiots both on this board and elsewhere who gave her light years more
sympathy than a 39 year old nurse, teacher, bricklayer, banker, etc. (with a young child) who died would get from them. (Including ones who weren't @ fault in their own deaths, whereas Anna Nicole probably used more drugs than one could keep track of). You don't like my posting Randy, too bad. :ras:


I don't really care whether or not there's a difference between the stories or situations or lives of the Schnyder and Clijsters family. I don't consume myself with their lives and try to involve myself somehow in their every next move be it private or public. Which is exactly my point.

You're also missing my point regarding Anna Nicole. I am not here to judge her life and the bad choices and mistakes she made. She was no saint. That said, she wasn't a murderer either. Stupid choices, a long list of them, but also a lot of incidents along the way that messed her up and surely contributed to these bad decisions. In my eyes that still does not mean she deserves to be disrespected now. Obviously you disagree and you're entitled to your opinion, but I am also entitled to mine and have stated as much.

For the record I don't 'dislike' your posting, you sometimes have insightful comments and opinions on other issues that I completely agree with. This however isn't one of them :) Just because someone feels empathy even for those who made mistakes in life, does not mean they don't feel the same empathy for every day people too.

Apoleb
Feb 12th, 2007, 12:54 AM
I understand the argument that her death got too much attention, but really one can't argue that people dying in Darfur or Iraq should get as much attention. She's a celebrity to start with, and a lot of people felt that they knew her to some extent, so ofcourse they're going to react to her death, especially that her life has always got so much public attention.

Steam
Feb 12th, 2007, 01:45 AM
Is she still dead?

Fingon
Feb 12th, 2007, 02:53 AM
I understand the argument that her death got too much attention, but really one can't argue that people dying in Darfur or Iraq should get as much attention. She's a celebrity to start with, and a lot of people felt that they knew her to some extent, so ofcourse they're going to react to her death, especially that her life has always got so much public attention.

you are right, that's the way it is. We hear or read all the time about Britney Spears, or Lindsay Lohan or Paris Hilton problems when there are a lot of ordinary people going through much more and not by their own making.

I think Volcana's point wasn't that much to ask why ANS's death gets so much attention, I would understand that he wanted to make one of these two points, or maybe both:

1) why was Anna Nicole Smith a celebrity at all? no talent, average and plastic looks. She got attention for all the wrong things, like marrying an old man nearly dead, or the death of her son. I can understand Brad Pitt or Mel Gibson's celebrity status, but ANS?

2) How wrong is that the media focus on celebrities, and that people in general are so desperate to know every aspect of celebrities lives.

Even with celebrities I do like (I do like Brad Pitt for example) I couldn't care less about their personal lives, I don't care if he is married, singled, gay, straight, if he has a child or not or whatever, if he is in a movie I like, I watch it, I enjoy it and that's it.

If any celebrity has a problem, I feel sorry for them as much as I do for any other person, and really, I cannot feel sorry for all people suffering in the world, so basically I can't feel sorry for celebrities either, do they feel sorry for me? do they care about me?, same here.

Apoleb
Feb 12th, 2007, 03:13 AM
I think these are two valid points, and that's why I said I understand people critisizing why she got that much attention. But you also can't seriously critisize anyone who had something to say about it and say "what about the people in Iraq, nobody cares about them" etc... for the very simple reason that people tend to empathize a lot more with those that they know. That's human nature.

1) why was Anna Nicole Smith a celebrity at all? no talent, average and plastic looks. She got attention for all the wrong things, like marrying an old man nearly dead, or the death of her son. I can understand Brad Pitt or Mel Gibson's celebrity status, but ANS?I wouldn't say she was completely not talented (a la Paris Hilton). She made it by her own to Playboy and was Playmate of the Year, so she was talented, and she first became famous for her talent. I'm no expert about her life, but I looked at some pics, especially those early in the 90s, and I think she's strikingly beautiful. Now the real issue is why she has been famous since then when she hasn't done much at all? I think this has to do with society as much as it has to do with her. JR is right when he says that a lot of people like to live their lives in other people's lives, and that quite a striking feature of our society. Most people like to escape from their lives and get stuck in other people's lives, and that's why reality shows are so popular right now.

2) How wrong is that the media focus on celebrities, and that people in general are so desperate to know every aspect of celebrities lives.

Even with celebrities I do like (I do like Brad Pitt for example) I couldn't care less about their personal lives, I don't care if he is married, singled, gay, straight, if he has a child or not or whatever, if he is in a movie I like, I watch it, I enjoy it and that's it.

If any celebrity has a problem, I feel sorry for them as much as I do for any other person, and really, I cannot feel sorry for all people suffering in the world, so basically I can't feel sorry for celebrities either, do they feel sorry for me? do they care about me?, same here.I don't think people feel sorry about someone dying that they don't know at all as much as they do with someone that they felt they knew some aspects of his/her life. But it's true that people care too much. It goes with the point I made above. Celebrities, reality shows..etc have become ways for people to escape their lives. Another feature is how much we get attracted to a public persona. It's a quite complicated issue, because we need to delve in into sociology and psychology to get a full understanding of modern pop culture.

drake3781
Feb 12th, 2007, 05:33 AM
What we have here is a real-life fable on life choices and values, and their effects.

Little education and little money. Married, had a baby, and divorced in her teens, all within two years. Turned to modeling, worked in a strip club. Met a rich man who took care of her, was in love with him. Became a Playboy centerfold, and was the face of Guess Jeans. Modeling brought her fame.

Craved attention, would do anything for it. Weight problems and substance abuse. Hospitalized for an overdose. Broke and humiliated after Marshall died, did not mention her in his will, and his family kicked her out of the mansion.

Starred in a reality show about her life. She did everything for her son, Daniel, she had to go to work for him. Lost weight and became the spokesperson for Trim Spa. Drugs and alcohol took over. The Supreme Court decided to take her case, and later the justices decided taht she would get a new hearing.

She announced her pregnancy. Gave birth to a daughter. Daniel died in the hospital room where she had just given birth. A pseudo-wedding ceremony. An old boyfriend claimed he was the father of her new baby, demanding a paternity test.

Word that she and Trim Spa were being sued over the diet pill claims.

Crying episodes over the loss of her son. The call from the Hard Rock. Pronounced dead.

A tragic arc. A quest for attention, that ultimately brought heartache. She got fame then asked, what now? A public life and a public end. She, a characature of Marilyn Monroe, in the end she became a characature of herself, a copy of a copy of a copy.

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Will people learn from it?

Does it change the way you think about anything, or might it affect your future behavior?

(ed. filled in details from a tv report.)

Jakeev
Feb 12th, 2007, 07:17 AM
OK about the Americans, but why did my mother make me watch the news on CNN today so I could tell her what they're saying about ANS? She had only heard about her once or twice before.
And yesterday at my uni everybody was talking about her even though she was a nobody here. It's really bizarre.

My only conclusion is that in Europe, pop culture from the States is pretty interesting or at least to the younger generation.

I'm sure if a European version of Anna Nicole exists, and she had the same headlines about her death, I wouldn't give it a second glance considering I don't really keep up on that stuff anyway.

Mother_Marjorie
Feb 12th, 2007, 08:20 AM
I mean, how many more people died in Darfur today?

Well, that's not entirely fair. But Anna Nicole Smith was a minor celebrity who's chief claim to fame was being unashamed about marrying for money. Why is this a major news event? Rather than the Lt. Ehren Watada trial, or the Scooter Libby trial, or the latest global warming report?

What exactly am I missing here?

Anna Nicole Smith (Vicki Lynn, as her mother calls her) will most likely be "bigger" in death than in life. Her tragic life story and how it ended is a symbol of everything which is right and wrong about rags to riches stories. The Machiavellian tale has all the elements of which to keep people talking for years:

1. Impoverished beauty strips for money.
2. Meets and marries a billionaire.
3. Billionaire Husband dies.
4. Becomes Playmate and Playmate of The Year.
5. Models for Guess Jeans.
6. Fights deceased husbands son Pierce Marshall for inheritance of husbands estate.
7. Gains weight.
8. Makes a hit reality show.
9. Becomes spokesperson for Trim Spa.
10. Loses weight.
11. Wins inheritance court battle at the Supreme Court.
12. Pierce Marshall dies.
11. Announces pregnancy.
12. Named as defendant in a lawsuit against TrimSpa.
13. Delivers baby five months ago.
14. 20 year old son Daniel dies several years later.
15. Paternity fight for newly-born child.
16. Anna dies.
17. Last surviving child, 5 months old, could be the heir to a multi-million dollar estate.
18. Battle rages for custody of child.

The story of Vicki Lynn Smith will not only be told in print, but in movies. The years of pending legal litigation as a result of her death will give her life story and conspiracy theories legs for many years to come. In life, Vicki Lynn was no Gia. However, in death, Vicki Lynn's "career" will blossom in ways she never thought possible when alive.

alfonsojose
Feb 12th, 2007, 02:29 PM
21th century decadence, i guess. Nasty story, cheap entertainment for masses :shrug:

*JR*
Feb 13th, 2007, 02:35 PM
(And so are the "celebrity addicts" who caused her to even worry about that). :spit:

Stern's sister: Brother knew Smith was very sick
POSTED: 1518 GMT February 13, 2007

• NEW: Stern's sister: Stern said Smith had fever of 105
• NEW: Stern tried to get Smith to visit a doctor, sister says
• NEW: Stern's sister: Smith and Stern to wed on February 27

LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- The sister of Anna Nicole Smith's partner said he was not with the former Playboy playmate when she died but knew that she was very sick only hours before she collapsed.

Howard K. Stern's older sister, Bonnie, recently traveled from her Beverly Hills home to the Bahamas to be with the 38-year-old California lawyer who says he is the father of Smith's baby.

Smith, 39, died Thursday after collapsing in her room at the Seminole Hard Rock Hotel and Casino in Hollywood, Florida. A private nurse called 911 after finding Smith unresponsive.

Bonnie Stern said her brother told her that Smith was running a fever of 105 degrees and that a nurse was "icing her down" earlier that day. "When he left her, she was sleeping," Bonnie Stern said.

Bonnie Stern said that he had tried to get Smith to visit a doctor but Smith had refused because she was afraid that it would garner publicity. When news reached him that Smith was dead, she said, he had been gone only for about two hours.

"They had plans to get a yacht and to buy an engagement ring. They were going to get married February 27. It was going to be a real marriage," she said.

Asked what she thought caused Smith's death, Bonnie Stern said: "Her immunity was so low. She was so depressed. She kept getting sick and her body just probably broke down."

Asked about the relationship between her brother and Smith, Bonnie Stern said that he met the former model in 1996 when she was referred to his law firm and he soon became her personal attorney.

"He started doing her legal work and then he became her confidant. They became best friends and then he fell in love with her," she said.

As for Larry Birkhead, the man who claims that he might be the father of Smith's infant daughter, Dannielynn, she said: "Larry Birkhead was not her boyfriend. There were times of some intimacy."

Birkhead told New York's Daily News that the two had meticulously planned for the birth of the child, but that after they broke up he was pushed to the side.

"Howard has never liked me and he never wanted me and Anna to be together," Birkhead, 34, told the Daily News in Tuesday's editions. "After she got pregnant, things went quickly downhill because of his difference of opinion on several matters."

Birkhead recounted how he had tried to save Smith from her risky lifestyle. He said Smith left him because of his attempts to intervene. The couple split early last summer.

"I watched over her to make sure she was safe, and once I was basically pushed to the side," he said, "I had no control over what she did or anyone else around her did."

Fire_Fox
Feb 13th, 2007, 02:54 PM
The deaths of famous & public people are always big news!

quasar
Feb 14th, 2007, 10:02 PM
Why is Anna Nicole Smith's death such big news?
Because Size does Matter?

BTW, her silicone implants are being auctioned off on E-Bay.

Cheers,

Carlos

champGS1452
Feb 14th, 2007, 10:05 PM
The story has so much conspiracy for the media-obsessed world to ignore. I really wish they would just let her rest in peace though.

Helen Lawson
Feb 14th, 2007, 10:15 PM
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/barrows1.html

*JR*
Feb 14th, 2007, 10:49 PM
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/barrows1.html
Anna Nicole was after hundreds of millions, not hundreds. How dare you compare her with those comparatively inexpensive ho's? :tape:

Helen Lawson
Feb 15th, 2007, 04:02 PM
Anna Nicole was after hundreds of millions, not hundreds. How dare you compare her with those comparatively inexpensive ho's? :tape:

I'm pointing out that Anna Nicole was "every man's fantasy, the ultimate girl." That's why her death is receiving so much publicity, at least part of it. She was no longer under 25, but she certainly met the other 4 criteria, and was under 25 for some of her career.

*JR*
Feb 15th, 2007, 06:51 PM
I'm pointing out that Anna Nicole was "every man's fantasy, the ultimate girl." That's why her death is receiving so much publicity, at least part of it. She was no longer under 25, but she certainly met the other 4 criteria, and was under 25 for some of her career.
While Sydney Biddle Barrows was out of business by the time Anna Nicole was in her late teens, maybe Heidi Fleiss was her madam. :hehehe:

Helen Lawson
Feb 15th, 2007, 06:58 PM
While Sydney Biddle Barrows was out of business by the time Anna Nicole was in her late teens, maybe Heidi Fleiss was her madam. :hehehe:

The reason I adore that transcript is that it's so direct and to the point, and so un-pc. And she should know what's she talking about. She point blank says, listen, every man's fantasy is a tall, beautiful, big-titted blonde who's under 25 and men will pay anything to sleep with that. And Arab johns are a huge pain in the ass who haggle over every cent and are mean to the girls.

ico4498
Feb 15th, 2007, 08:22 PM
because celebrity, scandal, sex & drugs sells.