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Infiniti2001
Feb 6th, 2007, 03:05 PM
By Eric Gorski
Denver Post Staff Writer


The Rev. Ted Haggard emerged from three weeks of intensive counseling convinced he is "completely heterosexual" and told an oversight board that his sexual contact with men was limited to his accuser.

That is according to one of the disgraced pastor's overseers, who on Monday revealed new details about where Haggard has been and where he is headed.

The Rev. Tim Ralph of Larkspur also said the four-man oversight board strongly urged Haggard to go into secular work instead of Christian ministry if Haggard and his wife follow through on plans to earn master's degrees in psychology.

Haggard broke a three-month silence in e-mails over the weekend to select members of his former church. New Life Church interim
Fresh from counseling, Ted Haggard reportedly called his "sexual immorality" a case of acting out. (Post file)senior pastor Ross Parsley forwarded Haggard's message to the wider church body Monday.

In the message, Haggard revealed that he and his wife, Gayle, intend to leave Colorado Springs and pursue master's degrees through online courses.

Haggard mentioned Missouri and Iowa as possible destinations. Another oversight board member, the Rev. Mike Ware of Westminster, said the group recommended the move out of town, and the Haggards agreed.

"This is a good place for Ted," Ware said. "It's hard to heal in Colorado Springs right now. It's like an open wound. He needs to get somewhere he can get the wound healed."

Sex-addiction program

Haggard, 50, resigned as president of the National Association of Evangelicals and was fired from the church he built from nothing into a 14,000-member congregation after a former male prostitute in Denver alleged a three-year cash-for-sex relationship.

Haggard admitted to "sexual immorality" and a long battle against feelings contrary to his beliefs. He admitted buying methamphetamine but said he never used it. Haggard did not respond to interview requests.

Among other things, the overseers urged Haggard to enter a 12-step program for sexual addiction, Ware said.

Ralph said three weeks of counseling at an undisclosed Arizona treatment center helped Haggard immensely and left Haggard sure of one thing.

"He is completely heterosexual," Ralph said. "That is something he discovered. It was the acting- out situations where things took place. It wasn't a constant thing."

Why Haggard chose to act out in that manner is something Haggard and his advisers are trying to discern, Ralph said.

In investigating Haggard's assertion that his extramarital sexual contact was limited to former male escort Mike Jones, the board talked to people close to Haggard and found no evidence contradicting him, Ralph said.

"If we're going to be proved wrong, somebody else is going to come forward, and that usually happens really quickly," he said. "We're into this thing over 90 days, and it hasn't happened."

Steering Haggard away from a return to ministry was based, in part, on Haggard's high profile, Ralph said. He cited biblical passages about holding influential figures to a higher standard.

"Nobody is saying he can't go back into ministry," Ralph said. "Somewhere down the road, that could very well happen, and that would be wonderful."

Counseling continues

Haggard is being asked to join a church wherever the couple moves and continue the Christian counseling he receives twice a week, Ralph said.

The oversight board that includes Ralph is focusing on New Life Church's future but continues to counsel Haggard.

What has been termed Haggard's "restoration" is being overseen by another panel: H.B. London, who runs a Focus on the Family ministry to pastors, and megachurch pastors Tommy Barnett and Jack Hayford.

London said he was not surprised Haggard was considering the psychological field.

"Many of us that go into the healing, helping professions do so out of some sort of dysfunction or traumatic event in our lives, and we want to do what we can to help other people avoid what we've gone through," he said. "He is certainly gifted and intelligent and has an intuitive side to him. And he has life experience. Those are good credentials."

Staff writer Eric Gorski can be reached at 303-954-1698 or egorski@denverpost.com.

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LoveFifteen
Feb 6th, 2007, 03:13 PM
How ridiculous! There is absolutely NO WAY that the man has lost his sexual attraction to men. He might have always been bisexual, but he most certainly isn't 100% heterosexual now.

samsung101
Feb 6th, 2007, 03:22 PM
Ann Heche, straight, gay, then straight, now homewrecker.
Mellisa Etheridges former girlfriend who was straight, then gay, and
is straight again.
Not like people don't seem to go back and forth these days.

Ted - please don't give interviews. Just get your act together
at home, inside yourself, stay off of drugs, and be thankful the
church didn't throw you overboard financially and spiritually.
The church stood by him and his family, and honestly does pray
for him to be healthy and clean and happy, all of them.




The guy has troubles. No matter what may think of him, any man with
a high profile position, with extremely good pay, housing, and expenses,
prestige in the community, at his age, with his family, and gets himself
involved with drugs and prostitutes - knowing it can all destroy his
life and career and family, has problems. Meth is a killer, be grateful
you're not dead from that.





Gay or straight, he was on a path to self destruction. The guy has problems.

Not 'had', he has problems.

Personally, I'm sure the church he's associated with would just as soon
he shut up, and get on with this new part of his life, quietly.

Jevel
Feb 6th, 2007, 03:23 PM
Amazing isn't it; how consueling can "cure" people? :eyeroll:

harloo
Feb 6th, 2007, 03:29 PM
I wish Mr. Haggard all the best on his "road to recovery". :lol:

Helen Lawson
Feb 6th, 2007, 03:45 PM
Sorry, but no straight man I've ever known has taken his dick and put it into another guy's ass. I can see a couple of chicks frenching when they're drunk and I wouldn't consider them lesbians or bi, but there are different rules in the world of men.

kabuki
Feb 6th, 2007, 03:51 PM
"I'm not Gay! I just like cock a whoooole lot!!!"

Yah, sure.

LoveFifteen
Feb 6th, 2007, 07:31 PM
The reason that Haggard claims to be 100% heterosexual now is because many Christians are totally hypocritical. They claim to "love sinners" while "hating sin", but the reality is that they ostracize and reject people who are sexually attracted to their own gender, even if those people believe that homosexual sex acts are sinful and have chosen a life of celibacy. They don't want to have anything to do with people who are sexually attracted to their own gender, even the Christian ones.

This isn't all Christians, but certainly the VAST majority of those Christians who go to churches like Haggard's.

P.S. Thanks, Ted, for demonizing us, slandering us, and mocking us constantly. We are happy you're straight again because we don't gays like you! :kiss:

CrossCourt~Rally
Feb 6th, 2007, 07:34 PM
Yet another person forced into sheltering is true feelings and true self :sad:

mckyle.
Feb 6th, 2007, 08:43 PM
i find it amusing that they say he shouldn't be in the ministry, as if they have never "sinned" before. i find it funny how in the christian world some sins are worse than others

samsung101
Feb 6th, 2007, 08:48 PM
So does Andy Dick.

Kevin Spacey, okay, that's not a good
example.

Martian KC
Feb 6th, 2007, 09:17 PM
How dare you! Andy Dick loves pussy!

SelesFan70
Feb 6th, 2007, 10:19 PM
Amazing isn't it; how consueling can "cure" people? :eyeroll:

Exactly...which makes that whole profession fo counseling ridiculously over-rated. :rolleyes:

hablo
Feb 6th, 2007, 10:34 PM
Talk about being in denial. :cuckoo:
His wife is pretty forgiving . . .

Stamp Paid
Feb 6th, 2007, 10:34 PM
Talk about being in denial. :cuckoo:
His wife is pretty forgiving . . .

I know right! :spit: :unsure:

Marshmallow
Feb 6th, 2007, 11:04 PM
This is ridiculous and damaging. Some naive youth will read this, and cling on to a non existent hope. The psychological damage these things can do. ...

égalité
Feb 7th, 2007, 12:59 AM
:spit:

OK, Ted. That's not what you told me last night :fiery:

égalité
Feb 7th, 2007, 01:15 AM
Seriously though, the only "recovery" this guy needs is a conversion to a different religion. I'm sure he STILL has some sway in the evangelical Christian community, and he has a chance to help out millions of people who are just as repressed as he is. And instead he's confirming the false conceptions that many Christians have about homosexuality.

KYLIE
Feb 7th, 2007, 01:30 AM
this man is a joke. Hes a liar, a compulsiveone at that i may add and a fraud.

He may be able to fool some ignorant naive segment of the population but i have been around the block, i know this guys type. Is he conflicted? Sure, probably...is he messed up? totally, is he straight? No way in hell.
Im glad he got outed, hes a creep with severe issues, he does need councelling, he also needs to stop making excuses and just get on with his life. Denial is a bad bad habbit. Its something he truly believes and that is the worst kind of denial.

stevos
Feb 7th, 2007, 01:39 AM
The reason that Haggard claims to be 100% heterosexual now is because many Christians are totally hypocritical. They claim to "love sinners" while "hating sin", but the reality is that they ostracize and reject people who are sexually attracted to their own gender, even if those people believe that homosexual sex acts are sinful and have chosen a life of celibacy. They don't want to have anything to do with people who are sexually attracted to their own gender, even the Christian ones.

This isn't all Christians, but certainly the VAST majority of those Christians who go to churches like Haggard's.

P.S. Thanks, Ted, for demonizing us, slandering us, and mocking us constantly. We are happy you're straight again because we don't gays like you! :kiss:

I completely agree. I am a straight christian and I get sickened by people I know that are so called "followers of Jesus", because Jesus always hung out with and loved the people that were looked down upon and cast out by the church in his day. If he was here today, no doubt he would be partying with straights and gays alike.
I've only really noticed it since I came on this board, but I'm sorry for the other stupid-ass christians. :mad:

KYLIE
Feb 7th, 2007, 01:53 AM
I completely agree. I am a straight christian and I get sickened by people I know that are so called "followers of Jesus", because Jesus always hung out with and loved the people that were looked down upon and cast out by the church in his day. If he was here today, no doubt he would be partying with straights and gays alike.
I've only really noticed it since I came on this board, but I'm sorry for the other stupid-ass christians. :mad:


wow, that was so deep.

I never really thought about that, but your absolutely right, jesus didnt criticise or judge those who were deemed "outcasts" and he didnt screen those which whom he associated himself with. Jesus was a guy who would hang out with prostitutes, criminals and homosexuals...without batting an eyelash, i think its people like "ted" who need to look a bit more closely at the life of jesus and the way he represented himself, and a little less on "church doctrine and policy". This so called "christian" needs to go back to school.

stevos
Feb 7th, 2007, 02:01 AM
wow, that was so deep.

I never really thought about that, but your absolutely right, jesus didnt criticise or judge those who were deemed "outcasts" and he didnt screen those which whom he associated himself with. Jesus was a guy who would hang out with prostitutes, criminals and homosexuals...without batting an eyelash, i think its people like "ted" who need to look a bit more closely at the life of jesus and the way he represented himself, and a little less on "church doctrine and policy". This so called "christian" needs to go back to school.

:lol: Thanks! Believe it or not, a lot of christians feel the same way you do, but sadly the idiots like that lady who went to the soldier's funerals are put in the limelight.

Cat's Pajamas
Feb 7th, 2007, 02:10 AM
I agree Steve. I think so much of today's Christianity is flooded with cold theology; which I think is great to know and study, God said faith without deeds is dead. But at the same time, all these teachings aren't equipped with Jesus/God/Holy Spirit in a simpler form, and I think we get lost in a lot of what Jesus really would do (to quote those dumb wristbands :o) into what the Church itself wants us to do, which is to shun all of those unlike us.

I hate when people say homosexuals can't go to heaven etc. etc. etc. They obviously don't have a clue to real Christian doctrine, themselves. I think homosexuality is obviously a sin, but all sins are equal, so me cheating on that homework assignment in Chemistry today (:tape: ) is just as bad as a gay doing his thing, so to speak :tape:.

And by the way, I do believe someone can change their orientation through counseling. :shrug: I have actually read a lot of testimony about it.


I hope my post didn't come off really dumb. :unsure:

stevos
Feb 7th, 2007, 02:16 AM
I agree Steve. I think so much of today's Christianity is flooded with cold theology; which I think is great to know and study, God said faith without deeds is dead. But at the same time, all these teachings aren't equipped with Jesus/God/Holy Spirit in a simpler form, and I think we get lost in a lot of what Jesus really would do (to quote those dumb wristbands :o) into what the Church itself wants us to do, which is to shun all of those unlike us.

I hate when people say homosexuals can't go to heaven etc. etc. etc. They obviously don't have a clue to real Christian doctrine, themselves. I think homosexuality is obviously a sin, but all sins are equal, so me cheating on that homework assignment in Chemistry today (:tape: ) is just as bad as a gay doing his thing, so to speak :tape:.

And by the way, I do believe someone can change their orientation through counseling. :shrug: I have actually read a lot of testimony about it.


I hope my post didn't come off really dumb. :unsure:

Amen, Blake. ;)
And yeah, I've heard that people can change orientation too, we had to watch a movie about it in our youth group :lol: , my brother said he met a guy that did, and was a really cool guy.

But thats how I think of it too, all sins are meant to be the same. Why should one person be denied it if someone else lied to their mom at age 5?

samsung101
Feb 7th, 2007, 03:56 PM
Old Ted should just be quiet.

Seriously, Ted you had a national fall from grace, by your
own actions.

Maybe you should just give the nation and the church and
your family some time to not be in the national spotlight, and
hear your name over & over.

Be thankful you weren't thrown over the bus by the church and
the corporation that encompasses the church properties and work,
and were offered sincere help for your family and life.

Be thankful you aren't being sued by the same church for paying back
your salary and housing costs, for carrying on this breach of contract
for three years (supposedly only 3 years).

Ted, just be celibate and silent for a while.

Stay off of drugs. OK, number one problem - stay away from
drugs. Christian or Atheist, stay off of drugs. A one way ticket
to nowhere.

Stay away from men or women who are not your wife, and refrain
from letting them touch you and vice versa. OK, shouldn't be that
difficult. If it is, maybe you shouldn't be married to anyone.

Get on with your life, and stay away from the microphone.

That seems to be your other compulsion - hearing your own voice.

Your ego is your own worst enemy.

I don't wish you harm Ted, but, I do wish you'd just give it a rest
for a while.

Helen Lawson
Feb 7th, 2007, 05:36 PM
Samsung is right. This Haggard guy was all over the news this morning. I'm look, who gives a shit, why is this news?

LoveFifteen
Feb 7th, 2007, 05:37 PM
The media isn't giving us the whole story. Ted's wife has agreed to fuck him with a strap-on for the rest of their lives ... so now he's "straight".

Kart
Feb 7th, 2007, 05:41 PM
Among other things, the overseers urged Haggard to enter a 12-step program for sexual addiction, Ware said.


Surely there's only one real step required in this particular case.

Though all I see evidence of is side-stepping.

samsung101
Feb 7th, 2007, 05:43 PM
His wife is giving him a 2nd chance.

Perhaps, she loves him after 20-30 years together.


So, she's doing what Mrs. Bryant did, Nicole Kidman is doing,
almost any Mrs. Kennedy has done, and what Mrs. Clinton is
and has been doing for years. For all we know, he could very
well go Jann Werner on her down the line.


He's not gay, he said so.

So says Ryan Seacrest, Mike Piazza, Jake Gyllenhall,
Kevin Spacey, Jeff Garcia, Sandy Koufax, the new
governor of Florida, the Snickers guys.

That's one very crowded room.

lizchris
Feb 7th, 2007, 05:47 PM
OK.:rolleyes:

And I am going to nail the following men in the next few days:

Terrence Howard:drool:
Kevin Brown:drool:
Derek Jeter:drool:
Brandon Tierney:drool:

nikita771
Feb 7th, 2007, 09:11 PM
Yeah, right. Who does he think he's fooling?

bionic71
Feb 8th, 2007, 02:58 AM
The notion of some 3 week "counselling" cure is offensive and should be loudly condemned...the whole notion of being cured of homosexuality is incredibly offensive...laughable if it wasn't so serious...

Who cares if he identifies as straight, gay or into soft furnishings....he is a fraud and was found out. He cheated on his wife.....He is a nasty example of hyprocisy....

He may well be gay and sneaking around...many gay men marry and live a double life....he isn't the first and won't be the last. He may not be gay at all....same sex encounters do not always mean that someone is actually gay....in most cases yes...but not always....

The focus shouldn't be on whether he identifies as gay or not...he is running the old "the devil made me do it" line....and now i am cured of this sin...blah blah blah
The reality is that he cheated and was caught...and now he is trying to cover his ass with twisted logic.....the problem is that many people accept the twisted logic he presents....it's all too blah!