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CrossCourt~Rally
Dec 19th, 2006, 01:59 AM
I say YES. #1, Lisas singles career has been hindered by advancing to the later rds in doubles draws in tournaments, thus affecting her singles ranking in a negative way. This leaves her unable to compete in the next weeks singles qualifying rds. #2, She has advanced to the QFs of the Aussie Open and has amassed a 16-12 singles record. #3 has won the australian open doubles title #4 is Australias Sam Stosurs Doubles partner :lol: Well ok..the last one is a bit of a joke! ;) #5, I still believe that on a good day Lisa can take out half of the girls/ladys within the top 100. #6, Above all: Being the #1 doubles player ( and an established top 100 singles player for over 12 years ) in the world should warrent a singles wc on its own merit...IMO...:bounce: I say give her 5 or 6 MainDraw WCs at the begining of the year. I think she deserves this chance to get her ranking up. If she fails to accumulate enough points to get her back into the top 100 or so then she will have to either become a doubles specialist or concentrate on her singles career for awhile.

Gallofa
Dec 19th, 2006, 02:10 AM
Definitely! Give it to Lisa!

Martian Stacey
Dec 19th, 2006, 02:12 AM
I don't think your first reason is that good. Sam played those doubles matches as well and she still maintained a good singles ranking. Yes i'll admit she's younger, but I still Lisa has always played a lot of doubles and was still able to maintain a decent singles ranking.

I think the fact that she has been a solid player for over 10 years would be the best reason for her to be given a wildcard.

PLP
Dec 19th, 2006, 02:12 AM
Yes! All good points I might add...;)

Lisa was in the top 35 from 1996-2004! She deserves a WC :kiss:

CrossCourt~Rally
Dec 19th, 2006, 02:17 AM
I don't think your first reason is that good. Sam played those doubles matches as well and she still maintained a good singles ranking. Yes i'll admit she's younger, but I still Lisa has always played a lot of doubles and was still able to maintain a decent singles ranking.

I think the fact that she has been a solid player for over 10 years would be the best reason for her to be given a wildcard.

Yes... thats very true :D Lisa could do it all at Sams age aswell . I think she became a bit fatigued last year during allot of her singles matches at the age of 33. Still...i think she deserves another chance at a singles career. If she can get herself back into the top 100 then she will have more opportunitys in the MainDraws. Lisa played allot of matches ( doubles, singles, mixed ) last year. She has basicly done this her whole career. I think it just caught up to her singles game for awhile last year. :bounce: Thanks for your input! :D

Sunny_Boy
Dec 19th, 2006, 02:48 AM
Personally, I don't think she should receive one. Lisa is a great doubles player but there simply aren't enough wildcards on offer. For once, some Aussie girls can be in the MD of a WTA event, Lisa should attempt to qualify like every other player around her ranking

Alicia Rocks
Dec 19th, 2006, 02:48 AM
Errm there is one US Wildcard being given out already, If she doesn't get it then I don't think she will get one.

.Andrew.
Dec 19th, 2006, 02:53 AM
I think she deserves one! Go Lisa! :rocker2:

CrossCourt~Rally
Dec 19th, 2006, 03:32 AM
Personally, I don't think she should receive one. Lisa is a great doubles player but there simply aren't enough wildcards on offer. For once, some Aussie girls can be in the MD of a WTA event, Lisa should attempt to qualify like every other player around her ranking

It will be tough as Lisa and Sam will be playing doubles in Sydney the week of the quali rds :eek: You know they will go deep ..see what i mean :confused: :bounce:

switz
Dec 19th, 2006, 03:36 AM
the joke reason is probably actually the one that will most likely get her one more than the others as her connections with Australia through Stubbs and Stosur no doubt makes her a name Australians know and would watch.

On one hand she deserves one but at the same time I think she's lost the motivation for singles and often gives up in matches these days when they get too hard. So maybe a younger player would make better use of it.

cartmancop
Dec 19th, 2006, 03:38 AM
Although I think she is FAR more deserving than a few of the Aussies who will get one, (nothing can be done about that, every slam does the same thing...) she would not be my first choice for the US WC...

but she IS a multiple doubles champion and has done great things for doubles, so I wouldn't be upset if she got one.

vogus
Dec 19th, 2006, 03:41 AM
absolutely not. The Aussie's need those WC's for their own players, and the one USTA wildcard should go to an up-and-coming player.

Raymond can skip doubles for one week during Sydney to play AO qualies.
She has played in 46 consecutive Grand Slam singles maindraws, she might as well take a stab at extending that streak.

She should get some WC's at the American tournies, Memphis, IW, Miami, Amelia.

RJWCapriati
Dec 19th, 2006, 04:10 AM
Lisa

DutchieGirl
Dec 19th, 2006, 04:31 AM
I'm sorry, but wtf for? It's the AUSTRALIAN OPEN... if they wanna give her a WC to the USO then go for it...Lisa's singles has been sucking for most of last year...let her play quallies. ;)

DutchieGirl
Dec 19th, 2006, 04:33 AM
It will be tough as Lisa and Sam will be playing doubles in Sydney the week of the quali rds :eek: You know they will go deep ..see what i mean :confused: :bounce:

So then maybe lisa should decide if she wants to focus on her doubles, or try to qualify for AO in singles... she could skip Sydney in doubles of course - it's not compulsory for her to play there. ;)

Sunny_Boy
Dec 19th, 2006, 04:38 AM
It will be tough as Lisa and Sam will be playing doubles in Sydney the week of the quali rds :eek: You know they will go deep ..see what i mean :confused: :bounce:
I forgot about Sydney but most likely Lisa will have to choose whether to play dubs in Sydney or singles at the AO. They will not give her a MD WC unless its an exchange for Alicia getting a WC at the US earlier this year.
However, I believe Lisa should concentrate on her doubles

Verdasco
Dec 19th, 2006, 04:56 AM
Who cares if her doubles ranking is No.1? When they give out singles WC's they don't look at your doubles record.

Martian Stacey
Dec 19th, 2006, 04:57 AM
Errm there is one US Wildcard being given out already, If she doesn't get it then I don't think she will get one.
Exactly :)

There are wildcards set aside for the French, US, WC playoff and an an Asian player... the other remaining wildcards will most likely go to Australians.

cometz9
Dec 19th, 2006, 05:01 AM
no they should give it to Amy :kiss:

CrossCourt~Rally
Dec 19th, 2006, 05:15 AM
no they should give it to Amy :kiss:

:lol: :p She is in hibernation...hopefully she will spring up come March :p

DutchieGirl
Dec 19th, 2006, 06:08 AM
I forgot about Sydney but most likely Lisa will have to choose whether to play dubs in Sydney or singles at the AO. They will not give her a MD WC unless its an exchange for Alicia getting a WC at the US earlier this year.
However, I believe Lisa should concentrate on her doubles

That US WC exchange is apparantly going to Madison Brengle, who won the American play-off for the WC.

Junex
Dec 19th, 2006, 06:38 AM
Why do we have to harp about this?

I dnt think Lisa is that interested in her singles career anymore.
She is the best in doubles now and she could end her career as the best doubles player.

Lisa is aging and i dnt think her body could sustain playing top doubles game on the one hand play in singles especially in a GS.

in the end its Lisa's decision to make, but her pedigree as a singles player does not give merit to her deserving a WC in a GS.

When was that time when there was so much commotion in here when Martina Nav wanted to get an RG(?) WC?

Highlandman
Dec 19th, 2006, 06:40 AM
Sure:worship:

Lisa:hearts: :angel: :worship: :bounce: :inlove:

Sunny_Boy
Dec 19th, 2006, 07:18 AM
That US WC exchange is apparantly going to Madison Brengle, who won the American play-off for the WC.
I have no idea who that player is but thanks for the news! :)

DavyJone96431
Dec 19th, 2006, 07:19 AM
so not the drama

Jessie181
Dec 19th, 2006, 07:21 AM
wow, i think i just made the poll even.
18 vs. 18.

I voted no.
Her body is aging, and she hasn't had the greatest results in singles as of late.
she's really good in doubles; she should stick to that.

So Disrespectful
Dec 19th, 2006, 07:32 AM
Lisa can't win a MD match at any other tournament lately, so why should it be any different at the Australian Open?

jazar
Dec 19th, 2006, 07:44 AM
Who cares if her doubles ranking is No.1? When they give out singles WC's they don't look at your doubles record.

i think they do sometimes. cara black was ranked 312 for singles and in the top 5 for doubles and got a wildcard to wimbledon in 2005.
raymond deserves it, she still has a chance of winning a round or two and she was previously a highly ranked singles player

Mateo Mathieu
Dec 19th, 2006, 07:50 AM
No.

DutchieGirl
Dec 19th, 2006, 07:51 AM
i think they do sometimes. cara black was ranked 312 for singles and in the top 5 for doubles and got a wildcard to wimbledon in 2005.
raymond deserves it, she still has a chance of winning a round or two and she was previously a highly ranked singles player

I don't think it was Cara's doubles that got her a Wimby WC - she had a fairly good record on grass (given her usual ranking). That would have helped more.

Raymond has a chance of winning A round...if she draws a qualifier at the AO.

Mateo Mathieu
Dec 19th, 2006, 08:09 AM
The public Aussie people probably most remember Lisa Raymond for winning the Hopman Cup without won a singles match :tape:

Wannabeknowitall
Dec 19th, 2006, 08:29 AM
No. As much as I love Lisa I have to say no.

If she wants to play qualies then fine but I don't think the Australian Open should persuade her to play singles when she should be focusing on doubles.

She's one mixed doubles slam away from having the grand slam in women's doubles and mixed doubles.

It's just not the time to try to resurrect the singles ranking.

MyskinaManiac
Dec 19th, 2006, 08:39 AM
Im a big believer that at any event, the worlds top two doubles players should get a wild card into the singles event. It's like a bonus and it encourages more girls to play doubles

DutchieGirl
Dec 19th, 2006, 05:45 PM
Im a big believer that at any event, the worlds top two doubles players should get a wild card into the singles event. It's like a bonus and it encourages more girls to play doubles

*most* of the girls play doubles anyway. :shrug: And why take away a WC for an Aussie and an Aussie event. If they wanna give her singles WCs in the US, then let them. Lisa's no spring chicken...let some younger players have the chance at a WC.

Paneru
Dec 19th, 2006, 05:51 PM
I say give it to Lisa.

She's have a much better chance of doing something
with it. More so than most of any of those Australian girls.

Natalicious
Dec 19th, 2006, 05:54 PM
yes give it to lisa!!! :worship:

Nicolás89
Dec 19th, 2006, 05:55 PM
i think is time for lisa to focus in her doubles carrer only:sad:

i agree they should give the WC to an aussie player:wavey:

!<blocparty>!
Dec 19th, 2006, 05:57 PM
No. Give it to a worthy player, Ausralian or non-Australian.

Lisa is like 40 now. Why give her a wildcard into the AO? She's not even Australian.

TheBoiledEgg
Dec 19th, 2006, 05:57 PM
I dont see Stubbs getting a singles WC for US Open so why Raymond for Aus Open.

Drake1980
Dec 19th, 2006, 06:13 PM
I think that's a good idea!!!

:inlove:
Dec 19th, 2006, 06:22 PM
absolutely not. The Aussie's need those WC's for their own players, and the one USTA wildcard should go to an up-and-coming player.

Raymond can skip doubles for one week during Sydney to play AO qualies.
She has played in 46 consecutive Grand Slam singles maindraws, she might as well take a stab at extending that streak.

She should get some WC's at the American tournies, Memphis, IW, Miami, Amelia.

I actually agree with you for once. :lol: :angel:

GoDominique
Dec 19th, 2006, 06:25 PM
Most definitely not.

Gallofa
Dec 19th, 2006, 06:27 PM
The public Aussie people probably most remember Lisa Raymond for winning the Hopman Cup without won a singles match :tape:

Maybe the Australians also remember when Lisa beat Venus Williams and made the QF at the 2004 AO? Or when Lisa won the doubles title? ;)

GoDominique
Dec 19th, 2006, 06:31 PM
I don't see what being a great doubles player has to do with getting WC's for singles competition.

Her current singles ranking reflects her ability in singles play. According to that, she's not good enough for entering the Maindraw directly.

Gallofa
Dec 19th, 2006, 06:44 PM
I don't see what being a great doubles player has to do with getting WC's for singles competition.

Her current singles ranking reflects her ability in singles play. According to that, she's not good enough for entering the Maindraw directly.

There are several possible answers to your point. The fact is, Lisa might not be anyone's fav in this board, but the tennis crowds know her - I won't go to the extreme of saying she sells tickets ;) (I am not that deluded!! ;)), but when you go to tournaments (and I know that excludes most of the people on this board), you actually hear people say "Lisa Raymond, oh, we know her, let's go see that match". And this happens, because she has been around for 50 years ;) (give or take a couple).

Now, we have argued many times on this board over the purpose of giving WC's. Is it to give little-known players a chance to hit with a good player? Is it to sell tickets? Is it to give good players with low ranking another chance? Is it to have great players on the draw? Now depending on your answer to this, you'd give the WC to some unknown Australian girl that we will never hear of again, to Navratilova or to Kournikova-type players. ;)

I'd give it to Lisa :D

GoDominique
Dec 19th, 2006, 06:56 PM
But there's just no point at all in giving a WC to Lisa.

Lisa's singles career is over. Everyone knows it, including Lisa herself. She's 33. She kept playing in 2006 because her decent ranking allowed her to enter the tournaments. That is no longer the case.

Even if she gets a WC and somehow wins a match, it won't change anything. It won't encourage her to get in top-shape again and make one more attempt to get back to the top 50.

If she wants to play then she should enter the qualifying.
Paradoxically, if she managed to qualify, that would justify giving her a WC, but it will be too late then. :p

Dexter
Dec 19th, 2006, 07:02 PM
please no.

HenryMag.
Dec 19th, 2006, 07:20 PM
I think Lisa deserves a WC!

Nicolás89
Dec 19th, 2006, 07:32 PM
Lisa's singles career is over.

:sad: :sad: :sad:

is hard to see the truth sometimes

Cat's Pajamas
Dec 19th, 2006, 07:32 PM
I found an article about Madison Brengle earning the Wildcard. Its just a blog but I thought it could help clear things up :shrug:

Cat's Pajamas
Dec 19th, 2006, 07:36 PM
Friday, December 15

Brengle Wins Australian Open Wild Card

http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/6262/755/320/428170/Brengle06OB.jpg

©Colette Lewis 2006--
Doral, FL--

My head is still spinning from all that I heard and learned at this morning's ITA Coaches Convention, but the word from the USTA's Paul Roetert that 16-year-old Madison Brengle had won the wild card tournament held this week for an Australian Open main draw berth is the most time sensitive.

I'm not even certain who all was invited to compete, but Roetert told me that Brengle was a last-minute addition, and that she didn't lose a match in the round robin format. She defeated Jessica Kirkland, the 2004 Orange Bowl champion, 6-4, 7-5, if I heard him correctly, coming back from 5-1 down in the second set.

At Eddie Herr and at the Orange Bowl, Brengle's losses were to Austria's Nikola Hofmanova, this year's Orange Bowl champion. She had a match point at the Eddie Herr and a set point in the first set in the semifinals at the Orange Bowl, but she obviously didn't suffer any crisis of confidence from losing this way, and now will have an opportunity to experience Australia in the first week, instead of just the second (junior) week.


http://tenniskalamazoo.blogspot.com/2006/12/brengle-wins-australian-open-wild-card.html

Helen Lawson
Dec 19th, 2006, 07:37 PM
I try to like Lisa, really I do! :D
Apart from merely watching her play, I really realized how much Sania Mirza sucks last year when Lisa beats her in straight sets on clay. :o

CrossCourt~Rally
Dec 19th, 2006, 10:00 PM
Thanks for all of your input! :D :bounce:

CrossCourt~Rally
Dec 19th, 2006, 10:02 PM
Friday, December 15

Brengle Wins Australian Open Wild Card

http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/6262/755/320/428170/Brengle06OB.jpg

©Colette Lewis 2006--
Doral, FL--

My head is still spinning from all that I heard and learned at this morning's ITA Coaches Convention, but the word from the USTA's Paul Roetert that 16-year-old Madison Brengle had won the wild card tournament held this week for an Australian Open main draw berth is the most time sensitive.

I'm not even certain who all was invited to compete, but Roetert told me that Brengle was a last-minute addition, and that she didn't lose a match in the round robin format. She defeated Jessica Kirkland, the 2004 Orange Bowl champion, 6-4, 7-5, if I heard him correctly, coming back from 5-1 down in the second set.

At Eddie Herr and at the Orange Bowl, Brengle's losses were to Austria's Nikola Hofmanova, this year's Orange Bowl champion. She had a match point at the Eddie Herr and a set point in the first set in the semifinals at the Orange Bowl, but she obviously didn't suffer any crisis of confidence from losing this way, and now will have an opportunity to experience Australia in the first week, instead of just the second (junior) week.


http://tenniskalamazoo.blogspot.com/2006/12/brengle-wins-australian-open-wild-card.html

Good Luck to MADISON :yeah:

selyoink
Dec 19th, 2006, 10:02 PM
I say no. She has gotten to play it many times in the past, let some young player get the experience for a first time.

SAEKeithSerena
Dec 19th, 2006, 10:13 PM
no.

LH2HBH
Dec 19th, 2006, 10:18 PM
Naaa - she doesn't even really want it, I am sure.

Whether it goes to a lower ranked veteran or a new up-and comer I believe it should go to someone who is still ambitious about their singles career and that simply does not describe Lisa anymore.

vogus
Dec 19th, 2006, 10:24 PM
That US WC exchange is apparantly going to Madison Brengle, who won the American play-off for the WC.


this sounds like another scam. There is no way Madison Brengle would win a WC playoff with the full crew of US #100-300 players competing. They must have snuck the event in behind the backs of the other girls.

Ellery
Dec 19th, 2006, 10:27 PM
Definitely yes!

CrossCourt~Rally
Dec 20th, 2006, 12:48 AM
this sounds like another scam. There is no way Madison Brengle would win a WC playoff with the full crew of US #100-300 players competing. They must have snuck the event in behind the backs of the other girls.

I think it may have been invitation only :confused:

DutchieGirl
Dec 20th, 2006, 02:37 AM
this sounds like another scam. There is no way Madison Brengle would win a WC playoff with the full crew of US #100-300 players competing. They must have snuck the event in behind the backs of the other girls.

I dunno who competed, but someone else posted the link to it above...I just read it in that Aussie Open forum...

Randy H
Dec 20th, 2006, 06:05 AM
I think it may have been invitation only :confused:

I think so too, as this would make most sense given that the same thing was done when awarding the American WC for Roland Garros this year (won by Jamie Hampton over a group of other younger prospects). It probably would have been about 8 or so young players who competed for it :)

CrossCourt~Rally
Dec 20th, 2006, 06:48 AM
I think so too, as this would make most sense given that the same thing was done when awarding the American WC for Roland Garros this year (won by Jamie Hampton over a group of other younger prospects). It probably would have been about 8 or so young players who competed for it :)


Exactly:yeah:

aussie_fan
Dec 20th, 2006, 07:08 AM
No, there is no reason to give it to her. She's over 30, hasn't been close to winning a grand slam, why should TA give her one. There is already one WC for the US, that's enough.

aussy89
Dec 22nd, 2006, 03:35 AM
i think it would of been nice to give it to lisa, jus due to that its nearly her time and that maybe at the end of this season she may retire, thats wat my gut is thinkin i hope im wrong cause i love the partnership of sammy an lisa they make a awsome doubles team. but i dnt think theres alot left in lisa, as shes already acumilated alot acheivments in her career, and shed jus be playing for the fun of it. 2 yrs i think is left in lisa i dnt think shell be around till 09 =( prove me wrong lisa =)

OZTENNIS
Dec 22nd, 2006, 05:48 AM
There is a reciprocal WC arrangement between TA and the USTA, which means that Lisa could receive an Open WC without a young Aussie missing out (which would be good news for everyone)!! So i say YES (providing there's no other young Americans...

DutchieGirl
Dec 22nd, 2006, 05:51 AM
In Lisa's place you would put a "word" how im unmotivated
to play doubles in AU open. Do you think Australians would
jeopardise very possible slam in doubles for Sam? I could see
one WC coming pronto in Lisa's way. She can pull this only
here.
But Lisa is probably nicer than me.

If TA were dumb enough to believe that Lisa would be unmotivated to play doubles at any Grand Slam well... :tape:

aussy89
Dec 22nd, 2006, 06:22 AM
if there gona give to a aussy as well jessica moore should by far be up there in the seletion. the yr shes had has been awsome

Pasta-Na
Dec 22nd, 2006, 09:15 AM
give it to yan zi pls :tape:

Orion
Dec 22nd, 2006, 10:05 AM
I have a moral opposition to wildcards, protected rankings, and all those add-ons. Part of being a champion is the journey. If Jaslyn Hewitt really wants to be a top 100 player, she should focus on actually getting good on the challenger circuit, not on getting a spot that a player at around 200 loses the chance to fight for. For every wildcard given, there is one higher ranked player that loses the chance to compete in a slam. Just because some one was born into a country that hosts a slam (lucky girl) doesn't mean they shouldn't have to fight to make the main draw.

propi
Dec 22nd, 2006, 10:12 AM
Aus Open denied the WC to Kuerten who won 3 GS titles and reached number 1 in the world... I doubt they're considering Lisa for WC. You must love WC policy in tournaments :rolleyes::tape:

Orion
Dec 22nd, 2006, 10:15 AM
if there gona give to a aussy as well jessica moore should by far be up there in the seletion. the yr shes had has been awsome

Are you serious? Give me one good reason she deserves a wildcard any more than Petra Cetkovska, or Kelly Liggan, or Ana Vrjlic, the girls who will likely miss the cutoff for qualifying because 8 spots go to players without the ranking, but with somebody pressuring Tennis Australia on their behalf?

As much as I like Martina Hingis, and as happy as I was that she made the quarterfinals, she didn't deserve that wildcard. Unless you earn a spot in the main draw, you have no business being there, Ivanisevic be damned.

Alicia Rocks
Dec 22nd, 2006, 11:50 AM
Are you serious? Give me one good reason she deserves a wildcard any more than Petra Cetkovska, or Kelly Liggan, or Ana Vrjlic, the girls who will likely miss the cutoff for qualifying because 8 spots go to players without the ranking, but with somebody pressuring Tennis Australia on their behalf?

As much as I like Martina Hingis, and as happy as I was that she made the quarterfinals, she didn't deserve that wildcard. Unless you earn a spot in the main draw, you have no business being there, Ivanisevic be damned.

Errm maybe because its the Australian Open? :wavey: The crowds want to see Aussies or stars. Hingis is a major star in Aus. so obviously and deservedly recieved a Wildcard.

Tenis Srbija
Dec 22nd, 2006, 12:02 PM
To Lisa WC??? No way... They should give it to Vojka Lukić :worship:

Mina Vagante
Dec 22nd, 2006, 01:23 PM
i think give it to another junior australian, they can gian experience while lisa already has some, and she'll be playing doubles

TheBoiledEgg
Dec 23rd, 2006, 11:49 AM
this sounds like another scam. There is no way Madison Brengle would win a WC playoff with the full crew of US #100-300 players competing. They must have snuck the event in behind the backs of the other girls.

Brengle, 16, earned her entry into the Australian Open by winning an eight-player event at the USTA Player Development Headquarters in Key Biscayne, Fla. She is currently ranked No. 498 in the world and won her first pro singles title at the $10,000 USTA Pro Circuit event in Baltimore last year as a qualifier. Earlier this month, Brengle reached the Girls’ 18-and-under semifinals of the Orange Bowl International.
The USTA invited a group of eight American players, age 22 or younger, to compete for the women’s wild card last week. Brengle defeated Jessica Kirkland in the final. Other players who participated in the tournament were: Lauren Albanese, Julia Cohen, Mary Gambale, Carly Gullickson, Ahsha Rolle and Ashley Weinhold.

http://www.sportsmediainc.net/tennisweek/index.cfm?func=showarticle&newsid=16355&bannerregion=

-sugi-
Dec 23rd, 2006, 12:10 PM
yes.

Viktymise
Dec 23rd, 2006, 12:29 PM
Hnestly no, she's a reat doubles player but there are may other women, not just Australians who could do something with that wildcard win a few rounds, have some upsets, im not sure Lisa would do that well if she got a wildcard and she'd be happy enough playing just the doubles anyway i think :shrug:

TS
Dec 23rd, 2006, 12:57 PM
She might...

If Sammy and Lisa make it far in the Sydney doubles draw (I assume they are playing), that means she will miss AO qualifying. Thus, they might give her the last md WC. Here's hoping that doesn't happen, as I believe it should go to somebody else - Lisa's had her run.

DutchieGirl
Dec 24th, 2006, 05:18 AM
Keyword here is nice. Put someone like Navratilova in Lisa
position and then say anything about TA being dumb brave
to call bluff.

:scratch: What has Navratilova got to do with Raymond? Martina actually won Grand Slams in singles anyway - so you can't compare the two!

DutchieGirl
Dec 24th, 2006, 05:48 AM
Like Navratilova. In terms of her character, not accomplishments.
Lisa has something to "blacmail" TA for WC. Probability is that she wont
but can you be sure about that?

TA is already giving out 1 WC to a US player, 1 to a French player, 1 to the Asian champion, 1 to the Kia challenger winner (Dellacqua) and 1 to Molik (AO WC playoff), they might possibly also be giving one to a British player - I dunno if they had an agreement with Wimby this year, so even if Lisa did try to blackmail TA, I don't think they'd be stupid enough to give her a WC. That is what I meant before.

Alicia Rocks
Dec 24th, 2006, 05:50 AM
No they didn't have an agreement with Wimbledon ;) Alicia just applied for one and got it.

CrossCourt~Rally
Dec 24th, 2006, 05:51 AM
Like Navratilova. In terms of her character, not accomplishments.
Lisa has something to "blacmail" TA for WC. Probability is that she wont
but can you be sure about that?

Well..i dunno if Martina OR Lisa would ever blackmail anyone. I would think that LISAs coach would submit a request along with a short note ( reason why ) and that will be it. :bounce:

CrossCourt~Rally
Dec 24th, 2006, 05:54 AM
No they didn't have an agreement with Wimbledon ;) Alicia just applied for one and got it.

Hopefully she will qualify this year with her ranking :bounce:

Alicia Rocks
Dec 24th, 2006, 05:55 AM
Me too of course ;)

aussy89
Dec 24th, 2006, 06:16 AM
but lisa dosnt need to be in singles for sam to get a doubles slam. even thoug i would like to see lisa in singles i doubt shell play, jus in doubs an mixed.

Lulu.
Dec 24th, 2006, 06:54 AM
No. She needs to stick to Doubles and stay away from Singles

DutchieGirl
Dec 24th, 2006, 07:45 AM
Would TA bent WC rules for Sam's possible slam in doubles? Or not.
Thats all.

Bend what rules? There is no rules saying Lisa can't get one. I'm saying that she doesn't deserve one for singles, because her singles has sucked lately. She can play quallies it's up to her. And if Lisa wants to *try* to blackmail TA, then I would like to think they wouldn't be gullible enough to fall for that (and I'm not saying Lisa would blackmail them, I'm just saying if she wanted to). I'm sorry, but Lisa does not pull a crowd in singles (unless she was playing a top player), so I don't think she's justified in having a WC for singles just based on her doubles - whether she's partnering an Aussie or not should have nothing to do with it.

DutchieGirl
Dec 24th, 2006, 07:49 AM
Lets say Lisa is selfish and she wants WC for singles more than she
care will Sam get slam in doubles. OK?;)

I'd say Lisa would be stupid to play singles over her doubles if that was the case, especially when she'd possibly piss off her partner, who could find another doubles partner if Lisa stuffed her around... :shrug: It's not like Lisa's singles career is going anywhere. She should just stick to doubles, where she can actually win matches. :) And why would Lisa think that she would get a WC for singles anyway? I'm sure she realises that her singles isn't going well, and she's getting on.

Wannabeknowitall
Dec 24th, 2006, 08:33 AM
I'd say Lisa would be stupid to play singles over her doubles if that was the case, especially when she'd possibly piss off her partner, who could find another doubles partner if Lisa stuffed her around... :shrug: It's not like Lisa's singles career is going anywhere. She should just stick to doubles, where she can actually win matches. :) And why would Lisa think that she would get a WC for singles anyway? I'm sure she realises that her singles isn't going well, and she's getting on.

I think Lisa deserves a WC. I just think for her benefit she doesn't take it at this slam.
It's time to focus on the mixed doubles title she hasn't won yet and play with someone capable of helping her win it.
It wouldn't be Jonas Bjorkman.
Play with a Bryan brother.
After this slam she can take whatever WC she wants.

TheBoiledEgg
Dec 24th, 2006, 09:39 AM
Guga was refused a WC and he won 3 slams and was a world #1

Lisa has nothing on him.

die_wahrheit
Dec 24th, 2006, 09:51 AM
No.

Give her a wildcard for the doubles, she doesn't deserve one for the singles.

Alicia Rocks
Dec 24th, 2006, 10:39 AM
Well she doesn't really need one for doubles... ;)

DutchieGirl
Dec 24th, 2006, 06:39 PM
I dont argue is Lisa deserving WC, i agree on that. I say she can bully
one if she wants to, Kuerten cant. And if TA does not have respect for him why would anyone treat them with respect? You people are too nice, i would do that in a second. Who cares can i win singles match or draw crowds, i
want my sure 10K for 1st round and if im lucky i'll double it.
Simple math: i will have some damage, but TA will have bigger damage.
Go for it!
Off topic: i just find simplest explanation for start of the war in ex Yugoslavia
for those who are interested. We all followed same logic.:devil:

:scratch: I never said anything about Kuerten - that was TBE, so why are you bringing that up with me? And all I said was that TA would be dumb to let themselves be bullied by Lisa (if she was going to do that). How will TA have bigger damage if Lisa didn't play doubles? Sam's young, and can find another doubles partner - it would damange Lisa more if Sam split with her, because Lisa's getting on, and it doesn't always click with a new partner quickly...Sam has time, Lisa doesn't!

ayusania
Dec 24th, 2006, 07:37 PM
they shd give her a WC entry

DutchieGirl
Dec 25th, 2006, 02:05 AM
Did not want to bother so i put it all in one replay. Kuerten is good illustration that its not one who deserves but one who has something to bargain gets more.

I would love to see Lisa pull that stunt and see who will be first to blink.
My money is on TA to surrender. Go Lisa! show them whos the main bitch.

Cos for TA one slam in doubles, especially home one is more important than dozens of WC. You talk like Australia is some tennis power that would not care
for one slam more-less.:lol: On who else they can count on? Those doubles
are their only chance until Hewitt beats Fed.:p or Dokic comes back:tape:

Yes, good doubles players are just around every corner:p waiting for Sam to
call them. Who knows she could end up teaming with Ana, sure slam:help:
I did say it will damage TA more than Lisa, not denying Lisa damages.

OK :yawn: Sick of discussing the same thing over and over again sorry. As I said before if TA gave Lisa a WC because Lisa tried to blackmail them, then I think they would be very dumb - that is all I have been saying from the start, and I will say no more. Oh and btw... it's a freaking DOUBLES title - you think TA cares about doubles titles so much do you? Actually, don't answer that... it'll just lead to more boring discussion.