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AnnaK_4ever
Dec 12th, 2006, 01:30 AM
Age Best Titles Grand Slam results Top-10
rank record
S GRAF 17 2 14 no data 11 SF-2 QF-1 ?
A SANCHEZ 17 10 2 MM-2 6 QF-2 2-12
M SELES 16 3 6 I-3 MM-3 3 SF-1 14-9
G SABATINI 20 3 14 including TC 20 RU-1 SF-7 QF-2 ?
C MARTINEZ 22 3 18 I-4 II-2 MM-12 19 SF-2 QF-7 14-44
M PIERCE 20 5 5 II-1 MM-4 11 RU-1 QF-2 6-28
M HINGIS 16 4 3 II-3 8 SF-1 QF-1 15-16
I MAJOLI 19 4 6 I-2 II-4 13 QF-3 15-38
J NOVOTNA 29 2 21 TC-1 I-2 II-10 MM-8 44 RU-3 SF-4 QF-12 54-86
L DAVENPORT 22 2 17 OG-1 I-3 II-7 MM-6 25 SF-3 QF-4 42-40
S WILLIAMS 17 6 3 I-1 II-2 6 never past 4R 16-12
V WILLIAMS 20 3 9 I-4 II-3 MM-2 12 RU-1 SF-2 QF-6 30-30
J CAPRIATI 24 6 9 OG-1 I-1 II-3 MM-4 28 SF-4 QF-6 25-57
J HENIN 21 4 9 I-3 II-2 MM-4 14 RU-1 SF-3 QF-1 14-35
A MYSKINA 22 5 7 I-1 II-3 MM-3 16 QF-3 10-31
M SHARAPOVA 17 15 3 MM-3 6 QF-1 1-8
S KUZNETSOVA 19 9 3 II-1 MM-2 9 QF-1 3-17
K CLIJSTERS 22 1 27 TC-2 I-5 II-14 MM-6 21 RU-4 SF-3 QF-2 55-42
A MAURESMO 26 1 19 TC-1 I-6 II-11 MM-1 31 RU-1 SF-4 QF-9 55-65
A IVANOVIC 20 2 6 I-3 II-2 MM-1 13 RU-2 SF-1 QF-1 23-23

venus_rulez
Dec 12th, 2006, 02:13 AM
OMG WOW Thanks for doing this! Here's something we can have a real discussion about! What I find interesting is that most of the players at the time of their first slam win, were also in their first slam final. I would have guessed that most of them had been in at least a grand slam final before winning one.

tennismaster8820
Dec 12th, 2006, 02:24 AM
Thanks for posting this! For some players it was so hard to win GS and others managed to do it in their first final!

bellascarlett
Dec 12th, 2006, 02:26 AM
So interesting! Thanks as usual!

Gotta love Maria! This shows how tough she is basically especially mentally. She just didn't want to waste anytime. Hopefully this means she started early in order to accumulate more.

AnnaK, question: For a first-slam winner though, who held the lowest ranking at the time of their win (without previously having been in the top ten as in Capriati's case) in the Open era?

morningglory
Dec 12th, 2006, 02:47 AM
Masha! :yeah: 15 ranked with only tier 3 titles and a Slam QF just previously at RG and out of the blue... BAM! She took the Venus Rosewater Dish :yeah:

AnnaK_4ever
Dec 12th, 2006, 02:52 AM
AnnaK, question: For a first-slam winner though, who held the lowest ranking at the time of their win (without previously having been in the top ten as in Capriati's case)?

I guess Chris O'Neil and Barbara Jordan are the lowest ranked players who won Grand Slams (in Open Era). They won those rediculously weak Australian Opens in 1978 and 1979. I doubt O'Neil has been ranked even in Top 100 at the moment: her career W-L record 19-52 speaks for itself.
The same thing concerns Jordan (50-90 W-L record) who's been ranked as high as No. 78 in 1983.

And probably both Virginia Ruzici and Mima Jausovec were ranked lower than Sharapova at the moment of their Roland Garros wins.

bellascarlett
Dec 12th, 2006, 04:49 AM
I guess Chris O'Neil and Barbara Jordan are the lowest ranked players who won Grand Slams (in Open Era). They won those rediculously weak Australian Opens in 1978 and 1979. I doubt O'Neil has been ranked even in Top 100 at the moment: her career W-L record 19-52 speaks for itself.
The same thing concerns Jordan (50-90 W-L record) who's been ranked as high as No. 78 in 1983.

And probably both Virginia Ruzici and Mima Jausovec were ranked lower than Sharapova at the moment of their Roland Garros wins.

Thanks...hmmm...but all these women only won 1 Grand Slam title. So if we add Multiple-slam champion to the qualifications, would Maria be the lowest ranked first time Grand Slam champion?

Ben.
Dec 12th, 2006, 06:10 AM
Thanks for the stats there AnnaK :yeah:

Interestingly how Kim & Amelie were the only players in that span to be ranked No.1 as their career high ranking & at some point in their careers before winning their 1st slam title. Incredible, plus No.3 was the highest rank to win your 1st slam title which if find interesting as well too.

AnnaK_4ever
Dec 12th, 2006, 01:48 PM
Below is list showing at what age players won their first Grand Slam titles in the Open Era:

(Note: Billie Jean King, Ann Jones, Margaret Court and Nancy Richey-Gunter won their first Slams before Open Era; Court at 17 yrs 6 mos; Jones and King at 22 yrs 8 mos; Richey at 24 yrs 4 mos)

Martina Hingis 16 yrs 4 mos Australian Open 1997
Monica Seles 16 yrs 6 mos Roland Garros 1990
Tracy Austin 16 yrs 9 mos US Open 1979
Maria Sharapova 17 yrs 2 mos Wimbledon 2004
Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario 17 yrs 6 mos Roland Garros 1989
Steffi Graf 17 yrs 11 mos Roland Garros 1987
Serena Williams 17 yrs 11 mos US Open 1999
Hana Mandlikova 18 yrs 10 mos Australian Open 1980
Svetlana Kuznetsova 19 yrs 2 mos US Open 2004
Chris Evert 19 yrs 6 mos Roland Garros 1974
Evonne Goolagong 19 yrs 10 mos Roland Garros 1971
Iva Majoli 19 yrs 10 mos Roland Garros 1997
Mary Pierce 20 yrs Australian Open 1995
Venus Williams 20 yrs Wimbledon 2000
Mima Jausovec 20 yrs 1 mo Roland Garros 1977
Sue Barker 20 yrs 2 mos Roland Garros 1976
Gabriela Sabatini 20 yrs 4 mos US Open 1990
Justine Henin-Hardenne 21 yrs Roland Garros 2003
Martina Navratilova 21 yrs 9 mos Wimbledon 1978
Conchita Martinez 22 yrs 3 mos Wimbledon 1994
Lindsay Davenport 22 yrs 3 mos US Open 1998
Kim Clijsters 22 yrs 3 mos US Open 2005
Barbara Jordan 22 yrs 8 mos Australian Open 1979
Christine O'Neil 22 yrs 9 mos Australian Open 1978
Anastasia Myskina 22 yrs 11 mos Roland Garros 2004
Virginia Wade 23 yrs 2 mos US Open 1968
Virginia Ruzici 23 yrs 4 mos Roland Garros 1978
Jennifer Capriati 24 yrs 10 mos Australian Open 2001
Amelie Mauresmo 26 yrs 6 mos Australian Open 2006 [first GS final at Australian Open 1999 (19 yrs 6 mos)]
Kerry Melville-Reid 29 yrs 4 mos Australian Open 1977-Jan. [first GS final at Australian Open 1970 (22 yrs 4 mos)]
Jana Novotna 29 yrs 9 mos Wimbledon 1998 [first GS final at Australian Open 1991 (22 yrs 3 mos)]

Among those who won a GS title Jennifer Capriati at 24 yrs 10 mos was the oldest first-time Grand Slam finalist in the Open Era.

UDACHi
Dec 12th, 2006, 07:25 PM
As you can see all players have been ranked in Top 10 before winning Grand Slam, except Sharapova.
All players have won at least 3 tournaments before GS title; except Sharapova and Kuznetsova every player has won at least three Tier II or higher titles; and except Hingis, Sharapova and Kuznetsova all players have won at least one Tier I title.

elena's done all of this except winning the slam. :sad:

MisterQ
Dec 12th, 2006, 07:38 PM
For me, those most amazing examples of "bursting onto the scene" were Chris Evert and Monica Seles, who immediately were making the second week of the slams:

Seles' first 4 GS tournaments:

RG1989: SF
Wimb1989: R16
USO1989: R16
RG1990: Win

Evert's first 8 GS tournaments:

USO 1971: SF
Wimb 1972: SF
USO 1972: SF
RG 1973: F
Wimb 1973: F
USO 1973: SF
AO 1974: F
RG 1974: Win

Kart
Dec 12th, 2006, 08:22 PM
Interesting thread.

It makes a good case against Myskina's French open win being as much of a surprise as some people make out.

AnnaK_4ever
Dec 27th, 2007, 06:37 PM
Bump.
The first post has been re-made.

The Daviator
Dec 27th, 2007, 06:56 PM
Davenport and Clijsters were the exact same age when they won their first Slams, and both times it happened at the USO :eek:

Filippo-Nastya
Dec 27th, 2007, 06:57 PM
Interesting thread AnnaK 4ever. ;) :worship:

Lindsay was already a great player before the US Open 1998. :eek:

Amelie, Jana and Kim had really to sweat a lot before winning their first Slam.

Cp6uja
Dec 27th, 2007, 06:57 PM
Below is list showing at what age players won their first Grand Slam titles in the Open Era:

(Note: Billie Jean King, Ann Jones, Margaret Court and Nancy Richey-Gunter won their first Slams before Open Era; Court at 17 yrs 6 mos; Jones and King at 22 yrs 8 mos; Richey at 24 yrs 4 mos)

Martina Hingis 16 yrs 4 mos Australian Open 1997
Monica Seles 16 yrs 6 mos Roland Garros 1990
Tracy Austin 16 yrs 9 mos US Open 1979
Maria Sharapova 17 yrs 2 mos Wimbledon 2004
Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario 17 yrs 6 mos Roland Garros 1989
Steffi Graf 17 yrs 11 mos Roland Garros 1987
Serena Williams 17 yrs 11 mos US Open 1999
Hana Mandlikova 18 yrs 10 mos Australian Open 1980
Svetlana Kuznetsova 19 yrs 2 mos US Open 2004
Chris Evert 19 yrs 6 mos Roland Garros 1974
Evonne Goolagong 19 yrs 10 mos Roland Garros 1971
Iva Majoli 19 yrs 10 mos Roland Garros 1997
Mary Pierce 20 yrs Australian Open 1995
Venus Williams 20 yrs Wimbledon 2000
Mima Jausovec 20 yrs 1 mo Roland Garros 1977
Sue Barker 20 yrs 2 mos Roland Garros 1976
Gabriela Sabatini 20 yrs 4 mos US Open 1990
Justine Henin-Hardenne 21 yrs Roland Garros 2003
Martina Navratilova 21 yrs 9 mos Wimbledon 1978
Conchita Martinez 22 yrs 3 mos Wimbledon 1994
Lindsay Davenport 22 yrs 3 mos US Open 1998
Kim Clijsters 22 yrs 3 mos US Open 2005
Barbara Jordan 22 yrs 8 mos Australian Open 1979
Christine O'Neil 22 yrs 9 mos Australian Open 1978
Anastasia Myskina 22 yrs 11 mos Roland Garros 2004
Virginia Wade 23 yrs 2 mos US Open 1968
Virginia Ruzici 23 yrs 4 mos Roland Garros 1978
Jennifer Capriati 24 yrs 10 mos Australian Open 2001
Amelie Mauresmo 26 yrs 6 mos Australian Open 2006
Kerry Melville-Reid 29 yrs 4 mos Australian Open 1977-Jan.
Jana Novotna 29 yrs 9 mos Wimbledon 1998 [first GS final at Australian Open 1991 (22 yrs 3 mos)]
I see here two most optimal periods to reach first slam in womans competition - when player have about 20y and when have 22y. According to this, best chances to rich they first slam at AO have Ivanovic, Golovin and Jankovic. :drool:

Lucemferre
Dec 27th, 2007, 07:49 PM
Serena's record against top 10 players and GS champions before winning her first slam is hard to believe.

1000
Dec 27th, 2007, 07:57 PM
Well Lucifer she had a huge impact on her debut

CJ07
Dec 27th, 2007, 08:02 PM
It'd be interesting to see the stats of players of the gap between their first and second slams, or even more interesting, the stats between last slam and retirement. Especially the latter.

Expat
Dec 27th, 2007, 08:04 PM
Serena's record against top 10 players and GS champions before winning her first slam is hard to believe.

well half the top 10 at any point of time is full of tournament whores
serena was obviously much more capable than half the top 10 even then
its just that the williams sisters never play a full schedule

The Jabberwock
Dec 27th, 2007, 08:10 PM
Thanks a lot for this stats :worship:

It's easy to see that a few players worked really hard before their first salm title. The age post that you added is an integral part of this table. It will be interesting to see how many years a player played befor getting the title as well as the total win/lose record. I guess it will be totally different for Amelie vs. Kim for example...

AnnaK_4ever
Dec 27th, 2007, 08:28 PM
Thanks a lot for this stats :worship:

It's easy to see that a few players worked really hard before their first salm title. The age post that you added is an integral part of this table. It will be interesting to see how many years a player played befor getting the title as well as the total win/lose record. I guess it will be totally different for Amelie vs. Kim for example...

I will add this info later.

AcesHigh
Dec 27th, 2007, 09:15 PM
well half the top 10 at any point of time is full of tournament whores
serena was obviously much more capable than half the top 10 even then
its just that the williams sisters never play a full schedule

They DID play full schedules early in their career and I wouldnt call Venus, Hingis, Steffi, Davenport, Seles and the like "tournament whores".

AnnaK_4ever
Dec 27th, 2007, 09:55 PM
Career records vs former Grand Slam champions*
(* players who were GS champions at the moment of the match)

Serena WILLIAMS - 60-31
Justine HENIN - 62-33
Martina HINGIS - 78-55
Venus WILLIAMS - 61-45
Maria SHARAPOVA - 26-21
Lindsay DAVENPORT - 75-73
Amelie MAURESMO - 56-57
Kim CLIJSTERS - 43-44
Anastasia MYSKINA - 21-32
Svetlana KUZNETSOVA - 20-34
Jennifer CAPRIATI - 35-66
Iva MAJOLI - 14-35
Jana NOVOTNA - 22-67

serenus_2k8
Dec 27th, 2007, 09:55 PM
Interesting, thank you! I cant believe some people were winning slams before even having a GCSE...

OsloErik
Dec 28th, 2007, 04:48 AM
I'd be curious about how many slam main draws each had competed in before their first win. I know Seles won her 4th, Evert her 8th, and Serena her 7th, but what about the rest?

DimaDinosaur
Dec 28th, 2007, 04:59 AM
i like statistics

mckyle.
Dec 28th, 2007, 05:11 AM
Davenport and Clijsters were the exact same age when they won their first Slams, and both times it happened at the USO :eek:

Actually, Lindsay was 22 years, 3 months, and 4 days old when she won and Kim was 22 years, 3 months, and 2 days old when she won.

AnnaK_4ever
Dec 28th, 2007, 02:54 PM
I'd be curious about how many slam main draws each had competed in before their first win. I know Seles won her 4th, Evert her 8th, and Serena her 7th, but what about the rest?

Maria SHARAPOVA - 7th
Serena WILLIAMS - 7th
Martina HINGIS - 9th
Svetlana KUZNETSOVA - 10th
Venus WILLIAMS - 13th
Iva MAJOLI - 14th
Justine HENIN - 15th
Anastasia MYSKINA - 17th
Kim CLIJSTERS - 22nd
Lindsay DAVENPORT - 26th
Jennifer CAPRIATI - 29th
Amelie MAURESMO - 32nd
Jana NOVOTNA - 45th

jujufreak
Dec 28th, 2007, 03:29 PM
very interesting thread AnnaK :wavey:

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 8th, 2009, 09:27 PM
Bump!

AnomyBC
Mar 8th, 2009, 10:44 PM
Interesting stuff.....

Maria Croft
Mar 8th, 2009, 10:51 PM
Thanks for the bump, hadn't seen this before, very interesting!