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olivia100
Nov 8th, 2006, 12:11 PM
No Americans at WTA Championships
By PAUL LOGOTHETIS, Associated Press Writer
November 7, 2006

MADRID, Spain (AP) -- Something's missing from the WTA Championships. There are no Americans in the field for the time since the elite season-ending tournament began in 1972.

Their absence was unusual but not completely surprising to the eight female European stars, who started play Tuesday in an event that features a $1-million prize.

"The U.S. had such great generations of players who dominated the sport and some have retired, and there just haven't been anyone to replace them," Russian Nadia Petrova said.

It became obvious long before this week that no U.S. singles players would qualify for the season-ending tournament.

Lindsay Davenport -- the only American player at last year's championships -- started the year at No. 1, has fallen to No. 19 and remains the only American in the top 35. A back injury sidelined her for five months and she hasn't played since September.

Venus Williams played only once since Wimbledon because of a left wrist injury. Serena Williams, who started in only four tournaments because of a lingering left knee injury, scheduled her comeback for January in Tasmania.

American success on the tour has also been diminished with the injury absences of Jennifer Capriati and Monica Seles, and the increasing depth of talent from Europe -- especially Russia. Chinese players are also on the rise.

This year, no American women reached the semifinals at the Grand Slams. Only three tournaments were won by Americans, compared to 19 by Russians. The European players won 30.

After Davenport, 27-year-old Meghann Shaughnessy is the next-highest American at No. 39. Shenay Perry, Jamea Jackson, and Vania King are among the young U.S. talents, but might not make the top 10 by next year.

"(American tennis) needs the young ones to come through now and make it through to the top," said No. 1-ranked Amelie Mauresmo of France. "It's probably tough when you have such a big history. For them to reach the highest level is not easy -- I think it's a lot to live up to, and they're probably being criticized because they're not there yet -- so that's even more pressure."

Tournament ambassador and former No. 1 Arantxa Sanchez Vicario said the game has changed, in part due to the Williams sisters.

"The players are faster, stronger, better conditioned and really healthy," Sanchez Vicario said. "And the domination of Russian players and players from the east is one reason for it. European tennis is much stronger at the moment."

Seven of the top-20 players on the tour are Russian.

"We are dominating the sport and have a lot of young players coming up," Petrova said. "We're all the same age, we all competed in juniors together, we traveled together, and there was always competition between us which also helped.

"We all wanted to represent our country and to be the best, and you have to work hard to get there -- all of us did that."

The championships moved to Madrid this year, only the second time it has been hosted outside of the United States. It reflects the shift in power, sponsorship dollars and fan interest in the women's game.

"The tournament was moved from Los Angeles because the public was not interested in it," tournament director Manuel Santana said. "The promotion of women's tennis in America is not great. The men's is OK, they have great players in (Andy) Roddick and (James) Blake, but they still don't have a big star like we do here in Europe with (Rafael) Nadal and (Roger) Federer."

The only short-term answer for American women, according to Mauresmo, is for the Williams sisters to get healthy.

"They need the Williams sisters to get fit and ready -- if they were, I'm sure they would be a part of this event," Mauresmo said. "I think it would be good for the rivalries in the sport if they came back. It depends on how (much) they want it."


Amazing these are some of the same bozoos who claimed these two young ladies were not good for the sports and they are ruining it, all along they were wishing the WTA would find some way to get rid of them now they are lamenting their lost of V&S from the WTA. They ask for it and they got it. Go
along with what you have because V&S sure aren't paying the WTA any attention. They treat them like shit, disrespected them, condemn their game, you name it they did it to them. V, S and their family said we had enough, we will do what we want and when we want and that includes playing tennis.

LoveFifteen
Nov 8th, 2006, 12:19 PM
You'll be a more well-rounded person when you learn to care about more than just people who are _________.

FILL IN THE BLANK YOURSELF! :lol:

Paneru
Nov 8th, 2006, 12:21 PM
Amazing these are some of the same bozoos who claimed these two young ladies were not good for the sports and they are ruining it, all along they were wishing the WTA would find some way to get rid of them now they are lamenting their lost of V&S from the WTA. They ask for it and they got it. Go
along with what you have because V&S sure aren't paying the WTA any attention. They treat them like shit, disrespected them, condemn their game, you name it they did it to them. V, S and their family said we had enough, we will do what we want and when we want and that includes playing tennis.

Interesting, isn't it. :cool:

Ferosh
Nov 8th, 2006, 12:40 PM
:yawn:

Shonami Slam
Nov 8th, 2006, 12:52 PM
the fact that Lindz V&S are out only meants the americans aren't in it - but then again, that only means they were ever in it for the nationalism, not the tennis.

there is nothing between global interest and actual greatness.
ask most hard-core fans and they will still tell you that Hingis' Variety, Henin's backhand and Mauresmo's net-play are all of more interest, even if less world-wide recognition.
It's not as though the US follow Meghann fanaticly, or that they are really looking forward to albanese to make it to the big girl tour - they were in it for the V&S personalities that were lively, sexy and fun. but again - that doesn't mean thier tennis was valued as highly as the money and interest they brought in - even when not playing they rate as highly as sharapova as bringing in the audiences.

Martian KC
Nov 8th, 2006, 12:56 PM
:zzz:

tenn_ace
Nov 8th, 2006, 12:59 PM
Amazing these are some of the same bozoos who claimed these two young ladies were not good for the sports and they are ruining it, all along they were wishing the WTA would find some way to get rid of them now they are lamenting their lost of V&S from the WTA. They ask for it and they got it. Go
along with what you have because V&S sure aren't paying the WTA any attention. They treat them like shit, disrespected them, condemn their game, you name it they did it to them. V, S and their family said we had enough, we will do what we want and when we want and that includes playing tennis.

and your point? the game is still here, moved on, got new stars... just as some of us had been saying. If Sampras, Agassi, Graf can retire and the game moves on, it will without Williamses. Get over it.

Kunal
Nov 8th, 2006, 01:09 PM
the fact that Lindz V&S are out only meants the americans aren't in it - but then again, that only means they were ever in it for the nationalism, not the tennis.

there is nothing between global interest and actual greatness.
ask most hard-core fans and they will still tell you that Hingis' Variety, Henin's backhand and Mauresmo's net-play are all of more interest, even if less world-wide recognition.It's not as though the US follow Meghann fanaticly, or that they are really looking forward to albanese to make it to the big girl tour - they were in it for the V&S personalities that were lively, sexy and fun. but again - that doesn't mean thier tennis was valued as highly as the money and interest they brought in - even when not playing they rate as highly as sharapova as bringing in the audiences.


thats the biggest load of crap i've heard for a while

im not saying that those strengths that u mentioned are not relevant...in fact they are great....but a hardcore fan of tennis will never forget the serena in 2002....that was all court tennis domination at its best......nobody could even touch her at that point.....so dont tell me that hard core fans only love the attributes that u have mentioned above

olivia100
Nov 8th, 2006, 01:17 PM
and your point? the game is still here, moved on, got new stars... just as some of us had been saying. If Sampras, Agassi, Graf can retire and the game moves on, it will without Williamses. Get over it.

My point is that these ladies were rediculed, by the likes of Mary shitrillo, pam, maryjo, evert, you name it they all had their negative comments they kept shooting at V&S constantly, at every match, every game, over and over again and again. Now the girls are going about their business and doing what makes them happy, and are appreciated for their services by others the American tennis community are not kissing their assed and hoping they will return to shoot a little life back into the sport. You can't expect to treat people like shit and expect them to keep pleasing you.

Do you think that Serena deserved the treatment she got when she tried to play the AO this year. That American commentator I can't remember his name and tracey austin were totally out of place what they did to her. There's noway in hell they would have done something like that to Maria had the cards been different. You cannot expect to keep treating people like shit and think they are going to stand for it time and time again.

Martian KC
Nov 8th, 2006, 01:18 PM
Olivia, FOAD please.

SloKid
Nov 8th, 2006, 01:24 PM
Could you please not use the term backstabber here? Brings out bad memories. :sad:

Monica :sobbing:

tenn_ace
Nov 8th, 2006, 01:26 PM
Olivia, FOAD please.


whatever FOAD means, I join you in your plea...

what does it mean, by the way?

SilK
Nov 8th, 2006, 01:26 PM
:weirdo:

Martian KC
Nov 8th, 2006, 01:39 PM
fuck off and die.:D

spinpup
Nov 8th, 2006, 01:42 PM
FOAD I believe it means Fuck off and die

Shonami Slam
Nov 8th, 2006, 01:43 PM
thats the biggest load of crap i've heard for a while

im not saying that those strengths that u mentioned are not relevant...in fact they are great....but a hardcore fan of tennis will never forget the serena in 2002....that was all court tennis domination at its best......nobody could even touch her at that point.....so dont tell me that hard core fans only love the attributes that u have mentioned above

when i say hardcore fan, i'm talking about people who are hardcore for all players and follow Vinci, Peschke, Washington or whomever, not hardcore fans only of a singular player like with the great personalities, not necciceraly great games (see Stevenson - good player, but much more exciting person, media-wise).
the Williams have had both - but most hardcore fans still find more to talk about the attributes i've mentioned and of course, much more, than babbling nonsense about domination of thier top fave that has nothing to do with what i've said.
a hardcore fan is one that will never forget Daniilidou's 2002 and tell you she was one of THE hottest players.
don't bullshit me, i'm somewhat more serious about things that you might think.

aussy89
Nov 8th, 2006, 01:46 PM
thers a american in the season ending championships lisa raymond lol =p she still counts but i guess not in the frame of the season ending meaning singles =p

sweetpeas
Nov 8th, 2006, 02:35 PM
olivia,,,Love you.Speak..........The truth alway"s hurt!But the truth will set you free?Thanks

Corswandt
Nov 8th, 2006, 02:38 PM
ask most hard-core fans and they will still tell you that Hingis' Variety, Henin's backhand and Mauresmo's net-play are all of more interest, even if less world-wide recognition.

[...]

when i say hardcore fan, i'm talking about people who are hardcore for all players and follow Vinci, Peschke, Washington or whomever, not hardcore fans only of a singular player like with the great personalities

[...]

a hardcore fan is one that will never forget Daniilidou's 2002 and tell you she was one of THE hottest players.

Yes, but hardcore tennis nerds ultimately don't matter much in the grand scheme of things (TV ratings, tournament attendance, perceived ROI of advertising and so on).

Anyway, I think tennis can nonetheless survive without the US, and/or without all those part-time fans the WS brought to the game.

But (going slightly off topic here) a much more serious mistake would be believing this loony bin that is WTAW is somehow representative of tennis fans as a whole.

vogus
Nov 8th, 2006, 02:50 PM
in the grand scheme of things (TV ratings, tournament attendance, perceived ROI of advertising and so on)




in the grand scheme of things (the commercial sense), the most important American female tennis player is Maria Sharapova. And she is headlining the event. So it's really not so bad.

Justine Fan
Nov 8th, 2006, 02:52 PM
fuck off and die.:D

OK ... now I know what it means, I agree with you, that Olivia should FOAD! :)

Olivia's bitterness just gets worse and worse and worse and worse and worse :zzz:

Shonami Slam
Nov 8th, 2006, 02:57 PM
Yes, but hardcore tennis nerds ultimately don't matter much in the grand scheme of things (TV ratings, tournament attendance, perceived ROI of advertising and so on).
that, of course, is sadly true.

But (going slightly off topic here) a much more serious mistake would be believing this loony bin that is WTAW is somehow representative of tennis fans as a whole

why not? biased nationalists, kiddy-porn lovers, ameatur players rather than history fans and hyped teenagers.
isn't that what the fanbase is all about?

if you have some serious forum for me, i'd really appriciate the link.

Justine Fan
Nov 8th, 2006, 02:57 PM
Anyway, I think tennis can nonetheless survive without the US, and/or without all those part-time fans the WS brought to the game.


Abso-fucking-lutely :worship: :worship:

sweetpeas
Nov 8th, 2006, 03:06 PM
What?Maria will tell ,you in a heartbeat I"am Russsian?I wish people stop that!Maria not AMERICAN!

Shonami Slam
Nov 8th, 2006, 03:10 PM
What?Maria will tell ,you in a heartbeat I"am Russsian?I wish people stop that!Maria not AMERICAN!

Oh i'm certain she'd say it in russian if she knew how to speak it

Corswandt
Nov 8th, 2006, 03:11 PM
why not? biased nationalists, kiddy-porn lovers, ameatur players rather than history fans and hyped teenagers.
isn't that what the fanbase is all about?

if you have some serious forum for me, i'd really appriciate the link.

WTAW is all we've got. Sadly.

The mass global audience that matters in the "grand scheme of things" doesn't care enough about tennis to log into WWW message boards to talk about it, here or elsewhere.

But my point was the same than on the rest of my post: that pro tennis wouldn't survive (or would at least require some serious downsizing) from a commercial POV if suddenly it could only rely on its core fanbase.

Shonami Slam
Nov 8th, 2006, 03:21 PM
WTAW is all we've got. Sadly.

The mass global audience that matters in the "grand scheme of things" doesn't care enough about tennis to log into WWW message boards to talk about it, here or elsewhere.

But my point was the same than on the rest of my post: that pro tennis wouldn't survive (or would at least require some serious downsizing) from a commercial POV if suddenly it could only rely on its core fanbase.

like i tell my friends - for every hot girl they would J*rk off to, i have ten ugly hags to watch that actually know how to play.
US players are just the same for me usually - for every one of them in the top100, i get 20 european players in the top500 to follow admiringly.
what we really need, is for me to be filthy rich and ban stupid people fans from courts and just go from venue to venue each week and analyze the game.
we'll call it the Rich People For Tennis tour, or RPFT for short.

The only thing the US has brought us in terms of evalutioning tennis - is the Green courts, or maybe even that isn't a yanky idea?

olivia100
Nov 8th, 2006, 04:42 PM
Could you please not use the term backstabber here? Brings out bad memories. :sad:

Monica :sobbing:

You guys know what I mean. When I used that term monica never even crossed my mind.

LH2HBH
Nov 8th, 2006, 04:52 PM
AMEN to that F.O.A.D.

thrust
Nov 8th, 2006, 04:56 PM
What Amelie said about the Williams sisters, in relation to American Women^s tennis, was both true and complimentry to the sisters. It is sad that some of the sisters fans are so bitter and defensive.

olivia100
Nov 8th, 2006, 04:56 PM
You people can't handle the truth.

LH2HBH
Nov 8th, 2006, 04:58 PM
What Amelie said about the Williams sisters, in relation to American Women^s tennis, was both true and complimentry to the sisters. It is sad that some of the sisters fans are so bitter and defensive.

I could not agree more.

Justine Fan
Nov 8th, 2006, 05:06 PM
You people can't handle the truth.

No .... YOU can't bear to read or hear it!!!!!!!!!!!

Nico_E
Nov 8th, 2006, 05:37 PM
americans are always the same.. time after time.

whenever one of their own is not dominating a sport = it means its bad for the sport.

:rolleyes:
same with the golf ryder cup and mens tennis as well.

Corswandt
Nov 8th, 2006, 06:04 PM
like i tell my friends - for every hot girl they would J*rk off to, i have ten ugly hags to watch that actually know how to play.
US players are just the same for me usually - for every one of them in the top100, i get 20 european players in the top500 to follow admiringly.
what we really need, is for me to be filthy rich and ban stupid people fans from courts and just go from venue to venue each week and analyze the game.
we'll call it the Rich People For Tennis tour, or RPFT for short.

Snob. :p

The only thing the US has brought us in terms of evalutioning tennis - is the Green courts, or maybe even that isn't a yanky idea?

Looking forward to seeing the US media pronounce the YEC a "monumental failure" should a darkhorse like Petrova or Kuznetsova win it.

Corswandt
Nov 8th, 2006, 06:05 PM
americans are always the same.. time after time.

whenever one of their own is not dominating a sport = it means its bad for the sport.

:rolleyes:
same with the golf ryder cup and mens tennis as well.

Dem forriners with dem funny names is ruinin' the game.

olivia100
Nov 8th, 2006, 06:19 PM
I could not agree more.

Amiele was one of the leading dangerous people who claim that they were ruining the sport.

Justine Fan
Nov 8th, 2006, 06:21 PM
Dem forriners with dem funny names is ruinin' the game.

:haha: :haha:

LH2HBH
Nov 8th, 2006, 06:24 PM
I know olivia100 - the world is out to get you and the Williams Sisters :weirdo:

Justine Fan
Nov 8th, 2006, 06:24 PM
Amiele was one of the leading dangerous people who claim that they were ruining the sport.

http://deephousepage.com/smilies/angelharp.gif

I knew there was a reason I liked Amelie :cool:

Justine Fan
Nov 8th, 2006, 06:26 PM
I know olivia100 - the world is out to get you and the Williams Sisters :weirdo:

Exactly. Did you notice my harp in my post? Ah what victims they are .... how :sad: Everyone starts on the William Sisters and Olivia. Ahhhhhhhhhhhh

:spit:

Stamp Paid
Nov 8th, 2006, 06:38 PM
LOL, ironic to hear Mauresmo of all people say this. Shes the one who said they were ruining the sport, didnt she?

griffin
Nov 8th, 2006, 06:45 PM
Amiele was one of the leading dangerous people who claim that they were ruining the sport.

You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

Sadly, after getting thumped by Serena a few years back Amelie did chew on a few sour grapes and made some unfortunate remarks. She later admitted she was speaking out of frustration at her own poor showing – she didn’t flat-out apologize, unfortunately, but at least she did acknowledge the comments were a mistake.

It’s not something to be proud of, but I hardly think it makes her “one of the leading dangerous people” bitching about the sisters.

Me, I read her recent comments as evidence that people are capable of changing their minds.

It’s called growing up, it’s called evolving.

Really, olivia, you should try it.

LH2HBH
Nov 8th, 2006, 06:50 PM
You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

Sadly, after getting thumped by Serena a few years back Amelie did chew on a few sour grapes and made some unfortunate remarks. She later admitted she was speaking out of frustration at her own poor showing Ė she didnít flat-out apologize, unfortunately, but at least she did acknowledge the comments were a mistake.

Itís not something to be proud of, but I hardly think it makes her ďone of the leading dangerous peopleĒ bitching about the sisters.

Me, I read her recent comments as evidence that people are capable of changing their minds.

Itís called growing up, itís called evolving.

Really, olivia, you should try it.


:worship:

Justine Fan
Nov 8th, 2006, 06:51 PM
You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

Sadly, after getting thumped by Serena a few years back Amelie did chew on a few sour grapes and made some unfortunate remarks. She later admitted she was speaking out of frustration at her own poor showing Ė she didnít flat-out apologize, unfortunately, but at least she did acknowledge the comments were a mistake.

Itís not something to be proud of, but I hardly think it makes her ďone of the leading dangerous peopleĒ bitching about the sisters.

Me, I read her recent comments as evidence that people are capable of changing their minds.

Itís called growing up, itís called evolving.

Really, olivia, you should try it.

:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

Kart
Nov 8th, 2006, 06:54 PM
Amazing these are some of the same bozoos who claimed these two young ladies were not good for the sports and they are ruining it, all along they were wishing the WTA would find some way to get rid of them now they are lamenting their lost of V&S from the WTA. They ask for it and they got it. Go along with what you have because V&S sure aren't paying the WTA any attention. They treat them like shit, disrespected them, condemn their game, you name it they did it to them. V, S and their family said we had enough, we will do what we want and when we want and that includes playing tennis.

Life's too short to be bitter olivia100 :wavey:.

Jakeev
Nov 8th, 2006, 07:51 PM
My biggest concern about the possible loss of top American players is how it's going to effect tennis in the U.S. to begin with.

It would suck that the American tournaments would suffer because we won't see Americans in the later round of draws.

I love tennis as a whole but the WTA should be concerned that no Americans at the top of the game could mean nobody spending money to come see tennis in American events.

faste5683
Nov 8th, 2006, 08:01 PM
ďone of the leading dangerous peopleĒ

:eek:

:wavey:

Stamp Paid
Nov 8th, 2006, 08:05 PM
My biggest concern about the possible loss of top American players is how it's going to effect tennis in the U.S. to begin with.

It would suck that the American tournaments would suffer because we won't see Americans in the later round of draws.

I love tennis as a whole but the WTA should be concerned that no Americans at the top of the game could mean nobody spending money to come see tennis in American events.

And less and less quality tennis coverage for us Americans.
Its really the Williams sisters faults. They should be two top Americans at this point in their careers, and are supposed to be bridging the gap until the next great American womens players come along.

Justine Fan
Nov 8th, 2006, 08:09 PM
And less and less quality tennis coverage for us Americans.
Its really the Williams sisters faults. They should be two top Americans at this point in their careers, and are supposed to be bridging the gap until the next great American womens players come along.

Blimey ... you're brave :eek: await the backlash from Olivia :help:

Berlin_Calling
Nov 8th, 2006, 08:13 PM
Olivia, your incoherent rant just shows how uneducated you are. You can't even manage to make sense. Also, who is backstabbing who? and how? You're not even using the correct term here. So ignorant. :haha:

supergrunt
Nov 10th, 2006, 01:15 AM
You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

Sadly, after getting thumped by Serena a few years back Amelie did chew on a few sour grapes and made some unfortunate remarks. She later admitted she was speaking out of frustration at her own poor showing Ė she didnít flat-out apologize, unfortunately, but at least she did acknowledge the comments were a mistake.

Itís not something to be proud of, but I hardly think it makes her ďone of the leading dangerous peopleĒ bitching about the sisters.

Me, I read her recent comments as evidence that people are capable of changing their minds.

Itís called growing up, itís called evolving.

Really, olivia, you should try it.

What did Amelie say? Anyway, the Americans tennis fans like Sharapova more than they will ever like Venus or Serena so this patriotism thing is... :rolleyes:

olivia100
Nov 10th, 2006, 11:22 AM
And less and less quality tennis coverage for us Americans.
Its really the Williams sisters faults. They should be two top Americans at this point in their careers, and are supposed to be bridging the gap until the next great American womens players come along.

Yea, blame the sisters for everything that goes wrong with the racist WTA and the racist media who dog them each time they step foot on a tennis court, as a matter of fact eact time they step foot through their door. You people ask for it a couple of years ago when they were at the top, you all complain they were winning to much and they weren't good for the sports. So stop complaining and enjoy your wishes. When you disrespect people then you get disrespected in return.

olivia100
Nov 10th, 2006, 11:23 AM
Olivia, your incoherent rant just shows how uneducated you are. You can't even manage to make sense. Also, who is backstabbing who? and how? You're not even using the correct term here. So ignorant. :haha:

I see you understood it very, very well.

Justine Fan
Nov 10th, 2006, 11:27 AM
Yea, blame the sisters for everything that goes wrong with the racist WTA and the racist media who dog them each time they step foot on a tennis court, as a matter of fact eact time they step foot through their door. You people ask for it a couple of years ago when they were at the top, you all complain they were winning to much and they weren't good for the sports. So stop complaining and enjoy your wishes. When you disrespect people then you get disrespected in return.

And you being the mentor for that! Man .. you're one angry woman :eek: