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Josh
Aug 4th, 2006, 09:29 PM
Yesterday Elisabeth Schwarzkopf died. She was considered to be one of the best opera singers ever with her technically perfect voice. But was she perhaps the best singer ever? Who's the best according to you? I've made a list of some excellent singers but you can select others as well of course.

- Victoria de Los Angeles http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSJ6edugwHI&mode=related&search=

- Elisabeth Schwarzkopf http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2V-IpiNC_0

- Kiri Te Kanawa http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPWf_YTdbgE

- Montserrat Caballé http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfSDL-lrXPw

- Maria Callas http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJpnri3NQdo

- Joan Sutherland http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjObdgLfk7Q

- Mariella Devia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISdSXHove08

- Beverly Sills http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUPxGcHyVhg

- Raina Kabaivanska http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NkBBh3rbTI

Talita Kumi
Aug 4th, 2006, 09:34 PM
CECILIA SOFIA ANNA MARIA KALOGEROPOULU! OR (MARIA CALLAS) :worship:

LegionArgentina
Aug 5th, 2006, 01:11 AM
Maria Callas is the best female opera singer

Jakeev
Aug 5th, 2006, 02:26 AM
LeonTyne Price, Dame Nellie Melba, Dame Joan Sutherland and Grace Moore.

Ekkekko
Aug 5th, 2006, 02:54 AM
Maria Callas tops it all followed by Kiri Te Kanawa.

spiceboy
Aug 5th, 2006, 01:35 PM
Montserrat Caballé...just listen to this performance of Casta Diva LIVE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axOnlcsut-s&mode=related&search=

Perfection is not enough for this...just can't find words to express it :worship:

And I live 2 minutes away from the house Montserrat was born many years ago :angel:

spiceboy
Aug 5th, 2006, 01:41 PM
Montserrat Caballe Interview About Freddie Mercury and AIDS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWO8nNkVym4

Amazing duet Montserrat Caballé & Freddy Mercury in 'Barcelona'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4iptMwgIZA

Josh
Aug 5th, 2006, 02:30 PM
Montserrat Caballé...just listen to this performance of Casta Diva LIVE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axOnlcsut-s&mode=related&search=

Perfection is not enough for this...just can't find words to express it :worship:

And I live 2 minutes away from the house Montserrat was born many years ago :angel:

Yeah that was a sublime performance. :worship:

Josh
Aug 5th, 2006, 02:55 PM
Some other amazing singers :

- Luciana Serra http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqBW_9OjhlA :worship:

- Nathalie Dessay http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mvRPekFqJg&mode=related&search=

- Sumi Jo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nvoGIVT-O4

- Gwyneth Jones http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsworGpPSyU

- Cristina Deutekom mms://www.dutchdivas.net/sound/cristina.wma

samn
Aug 6th, 2006, 04:47 PM
Florence Foster Jenkins.

GrandSlam05
Aug 6th, 2006, 05:44 PM
Maria Callas. And she could act too.

tennislover
Aug 6th, 2006, 06:06 PM
Teresa Berganza plays an aria from Le nozze di Figaro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1IzDBmv-wA&mode=related&search=

and
look a this amazing Teresa Berganza's masterclass (the young singer is studying a wonderful aria from Mozart's Don Giovanni )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsHD-OntkG4

shirley
Aug 6th, 2006, 06:08 PM
Maria Callas

¤CharlDa¤
Aug 6th, 2006, 06:17 PM
La Callas for me. Being a female opera singer isn't only about voice. It's about the attitude, the mystery, and she had it all!

Chrissie-fan
Aug 6th, 2006, 06:43 PM
Maria Callas is the best female opera singer
Well, she's the most famous and probably the most influential and single most important singer in opera, female or male, of the 20th century. To say that she's "the best" is to some degree a matter of taste. It depends a lot on whether one prefers a singer who sings with lots of drama and passion or someone who sings as beautifully as possible. If one prefers the first option, Callas is your gal. If you prefer beauty of tone she isn't. In that case you're better of with Callas' main rival of the day, Renata Tebaldi. Callas' voice had a metallic quality about it, and later on she sang her high notes with uncontrolable exaggerated vibrato (a wobble in fact).

Another thing that makes a comparison between different singers difficult is that they have different types of voices, and thus tend to sing different works. Callas for example is pure genius in belcanto stuff from Bellini, Donizetti and Rossini and a brilliant Verdi interpreter, but she would be far less effective in, say Mozart or Richard Strauss. That's Schwarzkopf's territory (along with art songs).

Maria Callas, Elisabeth Schwarzkopf, Rosa Ponselle, Kiri Te Kanawa, Mirella Freni, Renata Tebaldi, Kirsten Flagstad, Leontyne Price, Montserrat Caballé, Joan Sutherland, Lisa Della Casa, etc...They are all fab in their own way. :worship:

One very important currently active soprano that's not listed here is the great Renée Fleming. She's in her prime now, only has to open her mouth and a beautiful sound comes out of it. She already ranks with the all time greats IMO. :worship:

Chrissie-fan
Aug 6th, 2006, 06:44 PM
Florence Foster Jenkins.
:lol:

AaronJoyB
Aug 6th, 2006, 06:57 PM
Renata Tebaldi

VivalaSeles
Aug 6th, 2006, 07:18 PM
LeonTyne Price, Dame Nellie Melba, Dame Joan Sutherland and Grace Moore.

Dame Joan Sutherland isn't a real opera singer, Jakeev ;) She only does vocalises, because no one really understands what she is singing about ;)

StarDuvallGrant
Aug 6th, 2006, 07:23 PM
I've always liked Kiri Te Kanawa best.

VivalaSeles
Aug 6th, 2006, 07:24 PM
Well, she's the most famous and probably the most influential and single most important singer in opera, female or male, of the 20th century. To say that she's "the best" is to some degree a matter of taste. It depends a lot on whether one prefers a singer who sings with lots of drama and passion or someone who sings as beautifully as possible. If one prefers the first option, Callas is your gal. If you prefer beauty of tone she isn't. In that case you're better of with Callas' main rival of the day, Renata Tebaldi. Callas' voice had a metallic quality about it, and later on she sang her high notes with uncontrolable exaggerated vibrato (a wobble in fact).

Another thing that makes a comparison between different singers difficult is that they have different types of voices, and thus tend to sing different works. Callas for example is pure genius in belcanto stuff from Bellini, Donizetti and Rossini and a brilliant Verdi interpreter, but she would be far less effective in, say Mozart or Richard Strauss. That's Schwarzkopf's territory (along with art songs).

Maria Callas, Elisabeth Schwarzkopf, Rosa Ponselle, Kiri Te Kanawa, Mirella Freni, Renata Tebaldi, Kirsten Flagstad, Leontyne Price, Montserrat Caballé, Joan Sutherland, Lisa Della Casa, etc...They are all fab in their own way. :worship:

One very important currently active soprano that's not listed here is the great Renée Fleming. She's in her prime now, only has to open her mouth and a beautiful sound comes out of it. She already ranks with the all time greats IMO. :worship:

Great post, though I disagree with a lot of statements ;) Callas could have a most beautiful tone, especially early in her career (until 1955 more or less), plus Tebaldi could sing with lots of guts and passion.

Plus, I don't think Renée Fleming is the greatest currently active soprano. Her voice is small: I could barely hear her when she sang in Portugal and she does tend to fall into the weirdest interpretative choices. I do love her on records ;) The greatest currently active soprano is, IMHO, Karita Mattila followed by Angela Gheorghiu, when she is not throwing one of her Diva fits and singing just to please the crowd.

Nicjac
Aug 6th, 2006, 07:42 PM
Elisabeth Schwarzkopf just died :sad:

From that list I'd say Callas, Schwarzkopf, Te Kanawe - but as Chrissie-fan and VivalaSeles pointed out, they all had/have their strenghts and - well, not weaknesses, they all are/were divine without doubt, but they had their specific areas to excell IMHO.

VivalaSeles
Aug 6th, 2006, 07:51 PM
Have you ever heard Callas's high E-flat in the Triumphal Scene in Aida? If anyone is interested, I can upload it and post here a link to it :)

Josh
Aug 6th, 2006, 07:52 PM
I agree with Renée Fleming not being the greatest currently, her voice does have some weaknesses. I voted for Luciana Serra cause her voice is so clear and she sings the highest notes with such ease.

Ellery
Aug 6th, 2006, 07:55 PM
Maria Callas :worship:

cellophane
Aug 6th, 2006, 07:59 PM
Where is Cecilia Bartoli? :speakles:

Chrissie-fan
Aug 6th, 2006, 08:03 PM
Great post, though I disagree with a lot of statements ;)

Well, opera fans seldom agree about anything except about the fact that they don't agree :lol: ;) . Of course you are right about the Callas vs Tebaldi thing, but I had to exaggerate and generelize a bit to make my point which I guess is that there is no such thing as "the best ever" but that it mostly depends on what the listener's priorities are.

Lennval
Aug 6th, 2006, 08:04 PM
Montserrat Caballé

VivalaSeles
Aug 6th, 2006, 08:13 PM
Well, opera fans seldom agree about anything except about the fact that they don't agree :lol: ;) . Of course you are right about the Callas vs Tebaldi thing, but I had to exaggerate and generelize a bit to make my point which I guess is that there is no such thing as "the best ever" but that it mostly depends on what the listener's priorities are.

But you're right. "The best ever" thing depends, first of all, on the listener's requirements and criteria and, then, on repertoire: operas, composers the singer sings or doesn't sing (or sings wonderfully versus sings miserably).

VivalaSeles
Aug 6th, 2006, 08:15 PM
I agree with Renée Fleming not being the greatest currently, her voice does have some weaknesses. I voted for Luciana Serra cause her voice is so clear and she sings the highest notes with such ease.

If you're a high note lover, Josh, try to listen to Mado Robin, a very light and thin-voiced soprano but with stratospheric high notes :)

VivalaSeles
Aug 6th, 2006, 08:27 PM
Triumphal Scene from Aida - Mexico 1951 - The famous high E-flat [Callas as Aida] - Link at the end of post

Why is it famous?

1) Sheer volume: high E-flats, being such high notes, shouldn't be as loud. Callas's high E-flat here is heard over an entire orchestra playing loud, the chorus singing loud and the other soloists (mezzo, tenor, baritone, bass) singing loud as well.

2) Surprise effect: Aida sopranos shouldn't sing high E-flats, because Aida sopranos are supposed to be heavy, dramatic sopranos with good low notes and ranges that go as far as top C. High E-flats are supposed to be sung by lighter sopranos, with less good low notes. The fact that a soprano who sings Aida can throw such an enormous high E-flat is in itselft astonishing.

Warning: Of course it is not very stylish to throw an E-flat which is not even written on the score (not very good taste either), but Callas wanted to have the Mexican audience at her feet and that she achieved [plus she wanted to win the battle of the voices against tenor del Monaco]

http://rapidshare.de/files/28438854/Callas_-_Track_15.mp3.html (http://rapidshare.de/files/28438854/Callas_-_Track_15.mp3.html)

VivalaSeles
Aug 8th, 2006, 12:51 PM
bump :)

Josh
Aug 26th, 2006, 09:49 AM
Sumi Jo is amazing as well!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyznbYNSlIQ&mode=related&search=

:worship:

VivalaSeles
Aug 27th, 2006, 10:14 AM
Sumi Jo is amazing as well!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyznbYNSlIQ&mode=related&search=

:worship:

If you like coloratura sopranos, Josh, you should lend an ear to Beverly Sills. Here's the link to the music room of her official site (great videos available as well) :wavey:

http://www.beverlysillsonline.com/musicroom.htm

VivalaSeles
Aug 27th, 2006, 10:17 AM
Beverly Sills in an extremely funny mixture of well-known arias and classical pieces :

http://rapidshare.de/files/30923445/Sillsiana.mp3.html (http://rapidshare.de/files/30923445/Sillsiana.mp3.html) :D

tennisbum79
Aug 27th, 2006, 06:31 PM
Aretha Flanlkin, had she taken up Opera...
Because there is no gendre of music the cannot excell in.

Josh
Aug 27th, 2006, 11:05 PM
If you like coloratura sopranos, Josh, you should lend an ear to Beverly Sills. Here's the link to the music room of her official site (great videos available as well) :wavey:

http://www.beverlysillsonline.com/musicroom.htm

Thanks for the link! Beverly Sills is great indeed.

BTW instead of quoting your post I accidentally edited it. Silly me....sorry about that. :o

Josh
Aug 27th, 2006, 11:06 PM
This must be the best and funniest interpretation of the "Doll Song" I've ever seen! :lol
Natalie Dessay is just great, superb singer and an excellent actress on top of it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzAlawIRAsA&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUj7OPZFMrY&mode=related&search=

LoveFifteen
Aug 27th, 2006, 11:20 PM
Montserrat Caballé...just listen to this performance of Casta Diva LIVE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axOnlcsut-s&mode=related&search=

Perfection is not enough for this...just can't find words to express it :worship:

And I live 2 minutes away from the house Montserrat was born many years ago :angel:

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VivalaSeles
Aug 28th, 2006, 07:31 AM
Thanks for the link! Beverly Sills is great indeed.

BTW instead of quoting your post I accidentally edited it. Silly me....sorry about that. :o

No problem at all, Josh :wavey: By the way, do you have WINRAR software in your computer? If so, I can give you a link to performances of Luciana Serra (after downloading them, you have to unzip them, hence the need for WINRAR).

Kenny
Aug 28th, 2006, 07:58 AM
Some other amazing singers :

- Luciana Serra http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqBW_9OjhlA :worship:


I agree. The infamous "ah ahh ahhhh ah" lmao.. you know what I mean. Loves it. :)

Kenny
Aug 28th, 2006, 08:05 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzAlawIRAsA&mode=related&search=



Well, I certainly wasn't expecting that towards the end! :worship::lol:

Kenny
Aug 28th, 2006, 08:08 AM
Triumphal Scene from Aida - Mexico 1951 - The famous high E-flat [Callas as Aida] - Link at the end of post

Why is it famous?

1) Sheer volume: high E-flats, being such high notes, shouldn't be as loud. Callas's high E-flat here is heard over an entire orchestra playing loud, the chorus singing loud and the other soloists (mezzo, tenor, baritone, bass) singing loud as well.

2) Surprise effect: Aida sopranos shouldn't sing high E-flats, because Aida sopranos are supposed to be heavy, dramatic sopranos with good low notes and ranges that go as far as top C. High E-flats are supposed to be sung by lighter sopranos, with less good low notes. The fact that a soprano who sings Aida can throw such an enormous high E-flat is in itselft astonishing.

Warning: Of course it is not very stylish to throw an E-flat which is not even written on the score (not very good taste either), but Callas wanted to have the Mexican audience at her feet and that she achieved [plus she wanted to win the battle of the voices against tenor del Monaco]

http://rapidshare.de/files/28438854/Callas_-_Track_15.mp3.html (http://rapidshare.de/files/28438854/Callas_-_Track_15.mp3.html)


Yes, but that that moment in that song.. to me was it was heaven. Maybe it's not supposed to be like that.. but to me.. I thought it was perfect.

Guess that's why I'm not writing scores, isn't it? :)

VivalaSeles
Aug 28th, 2006, 08:13 AM
Yes, but that that moment in that song.. to me was it was heaven. Maybe it's not supposed to be like that.. but to me.. I thought it was perfect.

Guess that's why I'm not writing scores, isn't it? :)

Kenny, there's more Maria Callas for you in the other opera thread: at least, 4 new links :wavey: Hope you enjoy them :D

Josh
Aug 28th, 2006, 08:18 AM
No problem at all, Josh :wavey: By the way, do you have WINRAR software in your computer? If so, I can give you a link to performances of Luciana Serra (after downloading them, you have to unzip them, hence the need for WINRAR).

Ah that would be great! Thanks a lot! :D

VivalaSeles
Aug 28th, 2006, 08:27 AM
Ah that would be great! Thanks a lot! :D

By the way, in the other thread, you can hear Maria Callas in a coloratura-mood in "Qui la voce" from "I Puritani" - her first studio recording (1949). I'm going to look for the Luciana Serra link :wavey: Josh, you know how to download through rapidshare?

VivalaSeles
Aug 28th, 2006, 08:29 AM
Luciana Serra sings live arias and scenes from

Don Pasquale -live
La fille du regiment -live
Torquato Tasso –live with Alaimo 1985
La scala di seta –live 1989
2x Zauberflöte – Dresden 1984 (studio)
L'Assedio de Corinthe –live
Viaggio a Reims – live Berlin
L'ajo nell'imbrazzo – live with Dara

Bonus:
Serra live in Rigoletto
and
Barbiere with the alternative aria before the storm scene
(no dates and venue)

Link:
http://rapidshare.de/files/30541797/Serra-SFB.zip (http://rapidshare.de/files/30541797/Serra-SFB.zip)

Jakeev
Aug 28th, 2006, 08:33 AM
Dame Joan Sutherland isn't a real opera singer, Jakeev ;) She only does vocalises, because no one really understands what she is singing about ;)

Ahhh but I love that voice.......she gives me chills.......

VivalaSeles
Aug 28th, 2006, 09:09 AM
Ahhh but I love that voice.......she gives me chills.......

Do you know how to download via rapidshare? If so, I can upload some vocalising-Sutherland ;) just for you :kiss:

VivalaSeles
Aug 28th, 2006, 09:16 AM
Dame Joan Sutherland in one of Offenbach's operettas (Robinson Crusoe): "Conduisez-moi vers celui que j'adore" ("Take me towards whom I adore"):

http://rapidshare.de/files/31038241/Conduisez-moi_vers_celui_que_j_adore.mpga.html (http://rapidshare.de/files/31038241/Conduisez-moi_vers_celui_que_j_adore.mpga.html)

VivalaSeles
Aug 28th, 2006, 09:34 AM
For those who prefer heavier, darker and more dramatic sopranos:

Galina Gorchakova almost at her best. The link will follow the concert
details.

GALINA GORCHAKOVA

Orquestra Sinfónica Municipal
conducted by Kamal Khan

recorded live at Săo Paulo's Teatro Municipal, Brazil
4th and 6th of May, 1999

TCHAIKOVSKY
1. Polonaise from the 3rd Act of Evgeni Onegin
2. "Otkuda eti slyozy" from The Queen of Spades
3. "Uzh polnoch blizitsya" from The Queen of Spades

VERDI
4. Nabucco's Overture
5. "Son giunta! (...) Madre pietosa" from La Forza del Destino
6. "Pace, pace, mio Dio" from La Forza del Destino
7. "Tacea la notte placida" from Il Trovatore
8. I Vespri Siciliani's Overture

PUCCINI
9. "Sola, perduta, abbandonata" from Manon Lescaut
10. Manon Lescaut's Intermezzo
11. "Vissi d'arte" from Tosca


http://rapidshare.de/files/15676167/Galina_Gorchakova.zip.html (http://rapidshare.de/files/15676167/Galina_Gorchakova.zip.html)

égalité
Aug 28th, 2006, 02:19 PM
Leontyne Price!

VivalaSeles
Aug 29th, 2006, 07:14 AM
bump :)

VivalaSeles
Aug 30th, 2006, 10:16 AM
bump :)

VivalaSeles
Sep 1st, 2006, 12:16 PM
bump :)

Josh
Sep 1st, 2006, 01:05 PM
Luciana Serra sings live arias and scenes from

Don Pasquale -live
La fille du regiment -live
Torquato Tasso –live with Alaimo 1985
La scala di seta –live 1989
2x Zauberflöte – Dresden 1984 (studio)
L'Assedio de Corinthe –live
Viaggio a Reims – live Berlin
L'ajo nell'imbrazzo – live with Dara

Bonus:
Serra live in Rigoletto
and
Barbiere with the alternative aria before the storm scene
(no dates and venue)

Link:
http://rapidshare.de/files/30541797/Serra-SFB.zip (http://rapidshare.de/files/30541797/Serra-SFB.zip)

Thanks for that link! I really liked it! :)
I do feel that Serra does not get the respect she deserves unfortunately.

TennisSTUD
Sep 1st, 2006, 02:42 PM
Maria Callas

I feel Renee Flemming has one of the prettiest

VivalaSeles
Sep 1st, 2006, 03:23 PM
Thanks for that link! I really liked it! :)
I do feel that Serra does not get the respect she deserves unfortunately.

I'm so glad you enjoyed it, Josh :bounce: Unfortunately, Serra is not alone in not being given the credit she deserves :sad:

Josh
Sep 3rd, 2006, 08:56 PM
Someone asked about Cecilia Bartoli, here's some Vivaldi from Bartoli : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7P-INo21qU :worship:

MisterQ
Sep 4th, 2006, 03:57 AM
Florence Foster Jenkins.

Indeed, the very best! :worship: :lol:

MisterQ
Sep 4th, 2006, 03:58 AM
What are people's thoughts on Dawn Upshaw?

Drimal
May 2nd, 2007, 12:38 PM
Cecilia Bartoli by far! :inlove: What a voice, what a charisma!


I could listen her performance of Vivaldi's "Agitata da due venti" all day long! The part from 3'50 to 4'05 is just :drool: !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7P-INo21qU

Cecilia Bartoli singing "Una voce poco fa" from Barbiere di Siviglia, my favourite aria! :drool:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVRDoGRaBUY

Cecilia Bartoli singing "Dunque io son" from Barbiere di Siviglia with Byrn Terfel! :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laq09ppogw0&mode=related&search=

Sam L
Aug 16th, 2011, 10:40 AM
Technically, Joan Sutherland is probably the best. But Callas's voice is so unique and she is a better performer. She grows on you.

But Adelina Patti slays them all anyway.

ElusiveChanteuse
Aug 16th, 2011, 10:53 AM
I love Diana Damrau.:hearts: :cheer:

Daruma.
Aug 16th, 2011, 11:17 AM
I don't know much about opera but I've a special place in my heart for Maria Callas. :awww: I also listen to a Romanian opera singer Angela Gheorghiu but I don't know whether or not she is a talented singer.

Melange
Aug 16th, 2011, 11:26 AM
I love Anne Sofie von Otter, Emma Kirkby :hearts:

ivanban
Aug 16th, 2011, 10:28 PM
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The Dawntreader
Aug 16th, 2011, 10:57 PM
Opera is so hard to define, the genres and standard bearers are so diverse and subjective.

Technically, there's never been a finer singer than Sutherland. The smooth legato, the utter impeccable timing on her staccatos, runs, pitch. She lacked the evocation of Callas though, the voice was nowhere near as expressive, and she was certainly limited in some operas more than others (Sutherland was no verisimo singer, and her Puccini repertoire was certainly lacking). Callas sung nearly every repertoire going (bar the Baroque stuff), and was ferociously committed in virtually every role she sang. Her legato is incredibly underrated, as is her terrific diction and enunciation. Her Traviata is a triumph in terms of complete characterisation and oral acting.

The most beautiful opera singer i've ever heard (and yes i'm biased), is Montserrat Caballe. Her ethereal tones, exquisite control of pitch, breathing, phrasing. She was guilty of singing some very misguided repertoire (Turandot, Gioconda) in her career, but in the Bel Canto rep, she was unsurpassed in the late 60's/70's. Here are some examples:

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oGY7QsippGk (that pianisimmo A is the most glorious note you'll hear in opera-EVER)

Moveyourfeet
Aug 17th, 2011, 01:09 AM
Opera is my first musical love. I was introduced to it from a very early age and was a bigger fan of opera than pop music as a child.
I was more interested in male voices, especially tenors and basses but as I matured I grew an appreciation for female voices particularly the dramatic soprano and mezzo soprano.

As far as favourite sopranos go, I do not have one. I can however say Montserrat is not close to my top. I know she is a lot of people's favourites but for one, I do not like her pianissimi. It feels fake almost like a voce finta, rather than a true pianissimo that can survive the test of a messa di voce.

I love Callas. I love her dedication to her roles. I LOVE LOVE LOVE her chest voice; so strong and expressive without being descending into vulgarity. See her rendition of the 'Suicidio' from Gioconda. It starts out very dramatic with a middle tessitura, with descending octave jumps already in the first few bars: "tu sol mi resti" and then comes the emphasis and strong chest on 'del mio CAM-min'. Right after the bolded syllable, the strings come in fortissimo. The resulting effect of the big chest followed by the cellos on forte is just genius to me.
She does the same thing on 'fra le tenebre'. And then she manages to lighten the voice up a bit for the ascend to the high C. Simply amazing!
I won't even mention her Bellini or Early Verdi work (her Lady Macbetto 'Vieni t'affreta' is :worship::worship::worship:)

Another soprano whose voice is simply cannot get enough of is Maria Caniglia. She sung in the 30s and 40s and so is not as known today but I simply love this woman's voice. The vibrato is faster than usual and may not be to everyone's taste, but I love it. There is such freedom and expression in her voice. Also she is the only soprano that has managed to give me goosebumps singing the 2 octave descent on 'Io quella lama gli piantai nel cor." in Tosca. This is when Tosca is recounting to Cavaradossi how she stabbed Scarpia in the heart and she NAILS it perfectly! :worship:

As far as current sopranos, Sondra Radvanovsky is one I have heard live with an incredible instrument. If you get a chance to hear her live, do so. She is pretty good.

gsm86
Aug 17th, 2011, 03:13 PM
Why Tebaldi is not in the poll? :shrug:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1woH96ROG-c

The Dawntreader
Aug 17th, 2011, 09:23 PM
Why Tebaldi is not in the poll? :shrug:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1woH96ROG-c

Tebaldi was a wonderful spinto voice, but she had a lot of precarious elements in her voice. She had basically no sustainable upper register, and her technique wasn't one to count on. Could go really flat at times.

However at times, she was wonderful. Her Boheme and Aida are amazing.

serty
Oct 30th, 2013, 10:03 AM
I HAD to bump this, because there was no mention of Leyla Gencer which is beyond belief.. :tape:
She was one of greatest voice actors in the history of Opera. Grossly unknown to many because she didn't have any studio recordings, hence she was known as the 'Pirate Queen'.

Her voice was fiery..

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Vulnerable

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Haunting

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Beautiful

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Dramatic

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And as a bonus, she had the most amazing pianissimos.(Cabelle could only wish.)

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homogenius
Oct 30th, 2013, 10:36 AM
It's like the Goat debate : you can't really pick only one (cf Chrissie's post).Most famous and influencial (and the closest to the fantasy of what a diva is supposed to be)is obviously Callas but depending of the criterias, some people would say someone else was better.

PS : Mercury>>>>Caballé in the live version of Barcelona :oh:

Daruma.
Oct 30th, 2013, 03:23 PM
I HAD to bump this, because there was no mention of Leyla Gencer which is beyond belief.. :tape:
She was one of greatest voice actors in the history of Opera. Grossly unknown to many because she didn't have any studio recordings, hence she was known as the 'Pirate Queen'.

Her voice was fiery..

She was amazing, indeed. I got to know Leyla Gencer, unfortunately, only after she died. I vividly remember the controversy when her ashes were spread over the Bosphorus, which, for some, was inappropriate. There was hardly any mention of her extraordinary voice or career in La Scala. She is far more appreciated and popular around the world than in Turkey. :sad:

This one gives me the chills.

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wild.river
Oct 30th, 2013, 03:26 PM
renata tibaldi :hearts:

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brickhousesupporter
Oct 30th, 2013, 03:33 PM
La Callas for me. Being a female opera singer isn't only about voice. It's about the attitude, the mystery, and she had it all!
That is because she did not have a good voice.....even she thought her voice was bad. It amazes me how every now seems to thnk it was great. Leontyne Price has a great voice!

brickhousesupporter
Oct 30th, 2013, 03:39 PM
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Weak.........Song too big for her voice


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Listen to the richness and warmth of the tone

serty
Oct 30th, 2013, 05:23 PM
While Price had a very strong voice with immense technique to go along, much like another master technician Sutherland, she lacked the dramatic sense and emotion most of the time. Personally, I prefer drama so I'd much rather listen the 'imperfect' voices of Callas and Gencer. It is a matter of choice though. :) They are all great in their own, unique way.

brickhousesupporter
Oct 30th, 2013, 05:57 PM
While Price had a very strong voice with immense technique to go along, much like another master technician Sutherland, she lacked the dramatic sense and emotion most of the time. Personally, I prefer drama so I'd much rather listen the 'imperfect' voices of Callas and Gencer. It is a matter of choice though. :) They are all great in their own, unique way.
Drama and acting is only important if you are seeing it live. On the cd, do you want to hear someone that sounds like they are strangling a goat.

serty
Oct 30th, 2013, 06:07 PM
Drama and acting is only important if you are seeing it live. On the cd, do you want to hear someone that sounds like they are strangling a goat.

Uhm no.
You can act with your voice by changing its timbre, color and implementing various bel canto techniques. To me thats the difference between a great singer and a great artist. A quick example:

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brickhousesupporter
Oct 30th, 2013, 06:25 PM
Uhm no.
You can act with your voice by changing its timbre, color and implementing various bel canto techniques. To me thats the difference between a great singer and a great artist. A quick example:


And I think that is what a good vocalist is able to do all the while staying on the right note.

serty
Oct 30th, 2013, 06:39 PM
And I think that is what a good vocalist is able to do all the while staying on the right note.

Is there anyone who is not staying on the right note? If so, they surely are not in the same level with the likes of Gencer, Callas, Price, Sutherland, Sills etc.
:)

fantic
Oct 30th, 2013, 06:47 PM
Well, she's the most famous and probably the most influential and single most important singer in opera, female or male, of the 20th century. To say that she's "the best" is to some degree a matter of taste. It depends a lot on whether one prefers a singer who sings with lots of drama and passion or someone who sings as beautifully as possible. If one prefers the first option, Callas is your gal. If you prefer beauty of tone she isn't. In that case you're better of with Callas' main rival of the day, Renata Tebaldi. Callas' voice had a metallic quality about it, and later on she sang her high notes with uncontrolable exaggerated vibrato (a wobble in fact).

Another thing that makes a comparison between different singers difficult is that they have different types of voices, and thus tend to sing different works. Callas for example is pure genius in belcanto stuff from Bellini, Donizetti and Rossini and a brilliant Verdi interpreter, but she would be far less effective in, say Mozart or Richard Strauss. That's Schwarzkopf's territory (along with art songs).

Maria Callas, Elisabeth Schwarzkopf, Rosa Ponselle, Kiri Te Kanawa, Mirella Freni, Renata Tebaldi, Kirsten Flagstad, Leontyne Price, Montserrat Caballé, Joan Sutherland, Lisa Della Casa, etc...They are all fab in their own way. :worship:

One very important currently active soprano that's not listed here is the great Renée Fleming. She's in her prime now, only has to open her mouth and a beautiful sound comes out of it. She already ranks with the all time greats IMO. :worship:

This sums it up perfectly. Wasn't Ponselle the idol of Maria. Tebaldi and Flagstad definitely should be mentioned.
Maria in her fatter days is said to have been legendary. And while Tebaldi may have been technically more sound, NONE can touch Maria in terms of acting. Proabably Ponsell or Callas for me. Wasn't there another legendary singer around Rosa's age?

fantic
Oct 30th, 2013, 06:50 PM
Uhm no.
You can act with your voice by changing its timbre, color and implementing various bel canto techniques. To me thats the difference between a great singer and a great artist.

This: the reason why Callas is the greatest.

brickhousesupporter
Oct 30th, 2013, 06:51 PM
Is there anyone who is not staying on the right note? If so, they surely are not in the same level with the likes of Gencer, Callas, Price, Sutherland, Sills etc.
:)
When I can I will post a video of callas trying to find the right note.

fantic
Oct 30th, 2013, 06:56 PM
Cecilia Bartoli by far! :inlove: What a voice, what a charisma!


I could listen her performance of Vivaldi's "Agitata da due venti" all day long! The part from 3'50 to 4'05 is just :drool: !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7P-INo21qU

Cecilia Bartoli singing "Una voce poco fa" from Barbiere di Siviglia, my favourite aria! :drool:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVRDoGRaBUY

Cecilia Bartoli singing "Dunque io son" from Barbiere di Siviglia with Byrn Terfel! :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laq09ppogw0&mode=related&search=

She's a mezzo, I think? One of the best to be sure.

I don't know much about opera but I've a special place in my heart for Maria Callas. :awww: I also listen to a Romanian opera singer Angela Gheorghiu but I don't know whether or not she is a talented singer.

Angela had a sensational debut in London in 1994 or something. She's definitely one of the best current singers. And the most beautiful :oh:

serty
Oct 30th, 2013, 07:00 PM
When I can I will post a video of callas trying to find the right note.

Ok. :)
I heard of a video like that. As far as I know, that was during a rehearsal. But it would be interesting to watch nonetheless.

brickhousesupporter
Oct 30th, 2013, 07:02 PM
Maria Callas is the Maria Sharapova of Opera.....Yeah I said it.

The Dawntreader
Oct 30th, 2013, 07:38 PM
Callas is the greatest operatic singer that ever lived. The Assoluta of all Assolutas. No one will ever, ever come close to her level of artistry and legacy within her art form.

It's not even that arguable to suggest she's also the greatest singer who ever lived.

homogenius
Oct 30th, 2013, 07:40 PM
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Listen to the richness and warmth of the tone

bla overrated.she sounds like Sloane Stephens

serty
Oct 30th, 2013, 08:03 PM
Maria Callas is the Maria Sharapova of Opera.....Yeah I said it.

I thing thats a bit too much. :lol:
But I partially agree. :secret:

What made Callas, Callas was definately not only her voice. It was her acting, personality, her diva behaviour and later on her early death. When she became big, people went to see her, not the opera. Even when she failed vocally (like her last Norma in 1965) audience still went mad and clapped her endlessy. She was the first mainstream opera star. So automatically, people who are not big fans opera, started to believe that she was the second coming of Jesus. Her name became a legend and every soprano who came after her has been seen as an inferior talent to Callas which is/was not fair at all. As a hardcore Gencer fan I definately can understand your frustration. She inexcusably got completely overshadowed by Tebaldi/Callas rivalry. So much so that, Cabelle, who throughout her career mimicked everything about Gencer, (pianissimo, glottal attacks, repertoir) became the big name diva after Tebaldi and Callas while Gencer has been reduced to known as the 'pirate queen'.

But Callas definately had the goods (overall package) to back up the hype at her time. Though over the years, it has become a bit unbearable. Even in this thread you can find people who have the 'Callas sh*ts on your local faves, stay pressed!' attitude which makes Callas take all the heat unfortunately. Hope her fans can be more open minded and give a try to listen to the other magnificent ladies without comparing them to their idol. :)

The Dawntreader
Oct 30th, 2013, 08:08 PM
bla overrated.she sounds like Sloane Stephens

Wash your mouth out. Price was a legendary voice. She had bad habits (occasional scooping, middle voice got slurry after the mid 70's), but the beautifully luxurious tones throughout her entire register were to die for. Her upper register could open up like a sunbeam, and project low into her chest voice like a dramatic mezzo (see her Ariadne and Carmen).

Gencer had all the tools to become truly great, but her technique was fundamentally faulty and she had major issues with breath control, intonation and cultivating this weird falsetto register that wasn't connected to the rest of her voice. It wasn't just pianissimo as it would lose resonance.

Callas had everything, especially in her prime.

serty
Oct 30th, 2013, 08:35 PM
Gencer had all the tools to become truly great, but her technique was fundamentally faulty and she had major issues with breath control, intonation and cultivating this weird falsetto register that wasn't connected to the rest of her voice. It wasn't just pianissimo as it would lose resonance.


It would be appreciated if you could give examples of Gencer having problems with breath control. I don't think she could hold a note for 23 seconds if she had any 'breath control' problems. :)

And I have no idea what this 'weird falsetto register' is and how its not connected to her voice.

fantic
Oct 30th, 2013, 08:52 PM
Maria Callas is the Maria Sharapova of Opera.....Yeah I said it.

But Callas was a revolutionary, who incorporated acting into her voice(pushed the limit). So she can't be Masha.

Wonder who do you think the Graf, Nav, Evert of the Opera is then :lol:

Callas is the greatest operatic singer that ever lived. The Assoluta of all Assolutas. No one will ever, ever come close to her level of artistry and legacy within her art form.

It's not even that arguable to suggest she's also the greatest singer who ever lived.

Dawntreader explains it succinctly.

The Dawntreader
Oct 30th, 2013, 08:55 PM
It would be appreciated if you could give examples of Gencer having problems with breath control. I don't think she could hold a note for 23 seconds if she had any 'breath control' problems. :)

And I have no idea what this 'weird falsetto register' is and how its not connected to her voice.

In her prime she was very good, but she always had some issues vocally that affected her as her career lengthened. She lacked the ease and elegance of legato, loads of glottals that stopped the flow of the vocal line, not truly first class agility (she was no Callas or Sutherland in that regard) and her breath support became really laboured late in her career.

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Hear you can hear noticeable emissions of breath, having to slow down the whole aria just to accommodate this problem. The falsetto sound is evident too. Falsetto is useless in opera as it doesn't really project at all and it isn't connected to the FULL SUPPORT of the voice, whereas pianissimo although projected very softly doesn't lose resonance over an orchestra if applied correctly. Like Caballe's amazing ascending pianissimo High B-flat in her live performance of Signore Ascolta.

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Some wobbles and scooping here. Compare it to Callas's version and you'll understand what I mean.

:)

fantic
Oct 30th, 2013, 09:03 PM
Why Callas is great...is that she could play both light and heavy roles very well. When she was young, she even sang Wagner very well, and even did both categories(Wagner and lighter Italian operas) in the same day or every other day, switching effortlessly. :eek:

It is said that that kind of overwork(it's crazy even to attempt, really) strained and damaged her vocal cord.

serty
Oct 30th, 2013, 09:19 PM
In her prime she was very good, but she always had some issues vocally that affected her as her career lengthened.

:)

So did every other soprano. :)
Her peak years in her own words are from 1957 to 1964. Her 'Tornami a vagheggiar' is from 1981 which is obviously way past her natural ability. Would you accept if I posted Callas' Norma from 1965 and called her a 'small voice'?

And yes, her Casta Diva from 1966 is one of my least favourites. As far as I know it was her last 'Norma'. Definately the right decision as her voice was rapidly losing its lyrical ability and becoming way too dramatic for the role.

The Dawntreader
Oct 30th, 2013, 09:25 PM
Why Callas is great...is that she could play both light and heavy roles very well. When she was young, she even sang Wagner very well, and even did both categories(Wagner and lighter Italian operas) in the same day or every other day, switching effortlessly. :eek:

It is said that that kind of overwork(it's crazy even to attempt, really) strained and damaged her vocal cord.

She COULD sing them though. She sang the heaviest roles consistently well longer than anyone else. Anna Bolena, Norma, Medea, Armida, Gioconda, Parsifal, etc, etc. The sudden weight loss didn't help her, but one of the main reasons her voice declined in the late 50's according to Callas herself was lack of study and vocal training, when she was swanning off around Europe with Onnassis and singing as sporadically as it gets. She lost her ability to fully project the sound without wobbling.

According to her also, she didn't actually damage her vocal cords at all. They were still in excellent shape, but she lost some (not all) of the technical foundations she needed to sing as in her prime.

Opera is a very harsh profession though and the voice lasts probably around 15 years singing WELL. Sutherland's prime only lasted about 12 years, Caballe's voice declined in the mid 70's and singers like Gencer carried on trying to sing forever, even though way past her prime.

serty
Oct 30th, 2013, 10:22 PM
So happy that no one mentioned modern day messes like Netrebko. :tape:

If she was singing 50 years ago, she would be booed off stage but now she is getting standing ovation. :help:

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brickhousesupporter
Oct 30th, 2013, 11:14 PM
Yes, but I don't like it. I have to do it, but I don't like it at all because I don't like the kind of voice I have. I really hate listening to myself! The first time I listened to a recording of my singing was when we were recording San Giovanni Battista by Stradella in a church in Perugia in 1949. They made me listen to the tape and I cried my eyes out. I wanted to stop everything, to give up singing... Also now even though I don't like my voice, I've become able to accept it and to be detached and objective about it so I can say, "Oh, that was really well sung," or "It was nearly perfect."[34]

If she don't like her own voice why should I.

brickhousesupporter
Oct 31st, 2013, 02:02 AM
Ok. :)
I heard of a video like that. As far as I know, that was during a rehearsal. But it would be interesting to watch nonetheless.

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Start at 4:07 and watch her wobble all around the note.


Now Listen to Leontyne Price showing her how this song is sung.

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Nicolás89
Oct 31st, 2013, 02:08 AM
Price. :worship: She seems vacant when she sings though, like she's possessed.

fantic
Oct 31st, 2013, 02:46 AM
LveSri3pyQM


Start at 4:07 and watch her wobble all around the note.


Now Listen to Leontyne Price showing her how this song is sung.

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I'm asking you again, you 'dared' to say Callas was Masha of Opera :lol:

Who's the Graf, Nav and Ebert of Opera then, you started it, finish it to the conclusion :devil:

Are you going to argue that Price is the Serena of Opera? :tape:

semprelibera
Oct 31st, 2013, 03:00 AM
Discussing greatest female opera singers and poll doesn't include mezzos or altos. Strong work.

Anyway, the answer is early, fat Callas. That is the Callas that owned Violetta and the bel canto roles and sang with such virtuoso, depth and flexibility and such ease as if she was singing Caro mio ben!

By the time she started losing weight, the magic was gone.

Price is a second tier great. Great instrument, but with some significant holes in her game.
Didn't love her Aida; many sopranos have sung it better. I suspect a bit of stereotyping when people claim it as her best role. Her Leonora (Trovatore) is her best role. And even then, outside of D'amor sull'ali rosee and it's cabaletta, Callas sang it better. Price doesn't have a good enough chest voice for the Miserere (defining factor for me)

I didn't mention Sutherland, cuz I can't stand that mush mouth bitch (RIP)
Plus, Gruberova had better coloratura :oh:.

Anyway, the dead are gone and life is for the living. Best living soprano: Sondra Rodvanovsky and Gheorghiu.

Why no tenor threads :(

semprelibera
Oct 31st, 2013, 03:18 AM
LveSri3pyQM


Start at 4:07 and watch her wobble all around the note.


Now Listen to Leontyne Price showing her how this song is sung.

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You tried lol.
You should have used Leontyne's D'amor sull'ali rosee from the bell telephone hour complete with optional high Dflat. That is literally the best performance of her's (and of that aria for that matter) that I've ever heard.
You want to compare and contrast Leontyne's STUDIO sempre libera, with Callas LIVE?
Lol, no you don't.

semprelibera
Oct 31st, 2013, 03:23 AM
So happy that no one mentioned modern day messes like Netrebko. :tape:

If she was singing 50 years ago, she would be booed off stage but now she is getting standing ovation. :help:

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:rolleyes:
Can't stand opera snobs. Look, the world has changed. If you are going to be an opera singer, you need to look good.
Gheorghiu, Netrebko, Rodvanovsky (Tebaldi teas), Damrau these divas look good and sound good. Get over it.
But yes, Netrebko singing Lady macbeth?? :help:

fantic
Oct 31st, 2013, 03:31 AM
Discussing greatest female opera singers and poll doesn't include mezzos or altos. Strong work.

Anyway, the answer is early, fat Callas. That is the Callas that owned Violetta and the bel canto roles and sang with such virtuoso, depth and flexibility and such ease as if she was singing Caro mio ben!

By the time she started losing weight, the magic was gone.

Price is a second tier great. Great instrument, but with some significant holes in her game.
Didn't love her Aida; many sopranos have sung it better. I suspect a bit of stereotyping when people claim it as her best role. Her Leonora (Trovatore) is her best role. And even then, outside of D'amor sull'ali rosee and it's cabaletta, Callas sang it better. Price doesn't have a good enough chest voice for the Miserere (defining factor for me)

I didn't mention Sutherland, cuz I can't stand that mush mouth bitch (RIP)
Plus, Gruberova had better coloratura :oh:.

Anyway, the dead are gone and life is for the living. Best living soprano: Sondra Rodvanovsky and Gheorghiu.

Why no tenor threads :(

Hear, hear. Callas' performance at Mexico and Brazil? was just legendary.

Callas even sung Wagner well. Could Price do that? Doubtful :lol:

fantic
Oct 31st, 2013, 03:33 AM
You tried lol.
You should have used Leontyne's D'amor sull'ali rosee from the bell telephone hour complete with optional high Dflat. That is literally the best performance of her's (and of that aria for that matter) that I've ever heard.
You want to compare and contrast Leontyne's STUDIO sempre libera, with Callas LIVE?
Lol, no you don't.

Exactly :lol: Well, Callas LIVE STILL pretty (early ones, again at Mexico and etc.) much trumps everything :lol:

semprelibera
Oct 31st, 2013, 03:47 AM
I also listen to a Romanian opera singer Angela Gheorghiu but I don't know whether or not she is a talented singer.

She is fucking fabulous! One of the best alive. Her ex husband on the other hand...

(that pianisimmo A is the most glorious note you'll hear in opera-EVER)

Her pp is not a true pp. The voice is pinched and she is not 'on voice', that's why she can sustain the hell out of it.
Like Pavarotti's sotto voce :tape:

I HAD to bump this, because there was no mention of Leyla Gencer which is beyond belief.. :tape:
And as a bonus, she had the most amazing pianissimos.(Cabelle could only wish.)

This.
I personally loved Gencer's glottal attacks.

Drama and acting is only important if you are seeing it live. On the cd, do you want to hear someone that sounds like they are strangling a goat.

Opera is a live art form. It is meant to be experienced in the Opera house un-mic'ed. Studio performances on cd are nice but do not approximate the atmosphere of a live performance.

Maria Callas is the Maria Sharapova of Opera.....Yeah I said it.

The fuck...

What made Callas, Callas was definately not only her voice. It was her acting, personality, her diva behaviour and later on her early death. When she became big, people went to see her, not the opera. Even when she failed vocally (like her last Norma in 1965) audience still went mad and clapped her endlessy. She was the first mainstream opera star. So automatically, people who are not big fans opera, started to believe that she was the second coming of Jesus.

Just want to add that Price experienced the same thing, just on a smaller American scale.
Her final Aida at the MET, they clapped like MariaRosa CallasPonselle had just sung the entire thing. In reality, her voice was FULL swoop and scoop and really a mediocre performance.

semprelibera
Oct 31st, 2013, 03:51 AM
dHH3edmc6FY

:eek::eek::eek::worship::bowdown::bowdown:

The Dawntreader
Oct 31st, 2013, 06:51 AM
dHH3edmc6FY

:eek::eek::eek::worship::bowdown::bowdown:

The suppleness of coloratura and use of dynamics considering the enormity of her voice is outstanding. She never drops support at all, and she takes every high note cleanly without any scooping or delay in the vocal line.

I think the best display of Callas's virtuosity is her live performance of Armida:

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Complete command of a 2 octave + range, beautiful clean scales, portamento, incredible interpolations up to the high E and immaculate descents into the low chest voice as well as superb coloratura.

Fęte_des_fleurs
Oct 31st, 2013, 06:54 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bianca_Castafiore

semprelibera
Oct 31st, 2013, 07:15 AM
I think the best display of Callas's virtuosity is her live performance of Armida:

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Complete command of a 2 octave + range, beautiful clean scales, portamento, incredible interpolations up to the high E and immaculate descents into the low chest voice as well as superb coloratura.

Amazing!

semprelibera
Oct 31st, 2013, 07:19 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bianca_Castafiore

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florence_Foster_Jenkins
:hysteric:

serty
Oct 31st, 2013, 07:52 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bianca_Castafiore

-DEAD-

Best response. :lol:

serty
Oct 31st, 2013, 08:13 AM
:rolleyes:
Can't stand opera snobs. Look, the world has changed. If you are going to be an opera singer, you need to look good.
Gheorghiu, Netrebko, Rodvanovsky (Tebaldi teas), Damrau these divas look good and sound good. Get over it.
But yes, Netrebko singing Lady macbeth?? :help:

No. Ok, beauty is subjective but singing is not when you fail as badly as Netrebko does in that video. That woman should stop singing dramatic roles. Period. (I'm still not over on how she murdered Anna Bolena!) :tape:

An there is no thing to get over. She is known to many as the best of soprano of our times. This thread is about best sopranos in history. So, her name should be here and she should be able to hold her ground against the best. Can she?

fantic
Oct 31st, 2013, 08:23 AM
http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2007/mar/14/arethesethe20bestsopranos1

Melba, wasn't she one of the greatest? Forgot about Nilsson too.

fantic
Oct 31st, 2013, 08:27 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adelina_Patti

fantic
Oct 31st, 2013, 08:29 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christa_Ludwig

serty
Oct 31st, 2013, 08:42 AM
http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2007/mar/14/arethesethe20bestsopranos1

Melba, wasn't she one of the greatest? Forgot about Nilsson too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adelina_Patti

Melba, Tetrazzini and Patti are singers from completely different eras. Their recordings are ancient where their voices subsequently lost many of their qualities while being captured. So, frankly they can't be compared to post World War II era sopranos.

Sam L
Oct 31st, 2013, 09:47 AM
Maria Callas is the Maria Sharapova of Opera.....Yeah I said it.

:eek: What an insult to one of the most legendary of all sopranos. Love her or hate her but Callas was a legend.

Sharapova is more like a failed Opera student who now sings pop songs on reality TV.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adelina_Patti

I own recordings from Adelina Patti and Lilli Lehmann (Callas was an admirer of Lehmann by the way), and yes like serty said the recordings are relatively poor quality and by then their voices were far from their peak but you can still hear technique and you can imagine how good they would've been at their peak. Above all, they are important historical records. I really treasure them.

brickhousesupporter
Oct 31st, 2013, 10:18 AM
Just want to add that Price experienced the same thing, just on a smaller American scale.
Her final Aida at the MET, they clapped like MariaRosa CallasPonselle had just sung the entire thing. In reality, her voice was FULL swoop and scoop and really a mediocre performance.
Ok now you are just talking out of your ass, because to this day, people remark about how her voice has not suffered the fate of most opera singers.

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1982 Well past her prime and still delivering with the live performance. What would Callas have sound like at 55....think Rhianna. And to say that she did not like Aida is a lie. That recording of Patria mia is considered to be the perfect recording of that song.

Maria Callas = Maria Sharapova.....she was good once, for a hot minute, when she was young and by being the opera corporate drone and having a few famous boyfriends, she was praised to the high heaveans even when not deserved. The acting was a crutch to distract from the fact that she was rarely ever on the right note. Her tone sounds like a stuck goat. Most articles you read about Callas, they always mention that her voice was not really great. Even she recognized that her voice was not good.

homogenius
Oct 31st, 2013, 10:43 AM
Conclusion : Maria Callas was a fraud with skills barely matching those of Britney Spears and got hyped to no end only cause she was white, Leontyne Price is the real Goat of opera singers and didn't get enough recognition only cause she was black.
Life is a bitch :sad:

brickhousesupporter
Oct 31st, 2013, 10:50 AM
Conclusion : Maria Callas was a fraud with skills barely matching those of Britney Spears and got hyped to no end only cause she was white, Leontyne Price is the real Goat of opera singers and didn't get enough recognition only cause she was black.
Life is a bitch :sad:
You really should try not to be so basic......rise above yourself.:wavey:

If you want to have a serious discussion about race and opera, we can go there but I don't to be accused of bringing it up. Race was never my position in this thread. I was strickly dealing with the quality of voice.

homogenius
Oct 31st, 2013, 10:53 AM
You really should try not to be so basic......rise above yourself.:wavey:

If i'm basic how would you call someone who thinks Callas had a poor voice and labelled her the "Pova of opera" ? :tape: An ignorant troll ? Someone with an agenda ?

PS : saw the editing.it would indeed be an interesting discussion but when you start with such lame points as your Pova's comparison it's really hard to take you seriously.

brickhousesupporter
Oct 31st, 2013, 11:00 AM
If i'm basic how would you call someone who thinks Callas had a poor voice and labelled her the "Pova of opera" ? :tape: An ignorant troll ? Someone with an agenda ?

PS : saw the editing.it would indeed be an interesting discussion but when you start with such lame points as your Pova's comparison it's really hard to take you seriously.
Whether or not your take me seriously is not an issue for me....you have no bearings on anything I say or do.:confused:

serty
Oct 31st, 2013, 11:06 AM
Price was blessed with super strong vocal cords and she respected her voice almost better than any other top level soprano. She knew her voice, she knew what she could and could not do with it. She took on roles that were suitable for her instead of forcing her natural ability to make her voice suit for them. Thats why she was that good that late in her singing career.

Callas' voice is a special case which is still being discussed today. Some believe that she was a mezzo by nature, then developed upper register for soprano roles. So she kept pushing her voice all the time, extending her natural ability which resulted in her losing the control and technique of it at a relatively early age.

Her voice and its 'fat' tone certainly was different from anything else which made people fascinated by it. To me that voice worked perfectly in some roles and was way to heavy for others. It is a matter of preference though. :)

fantic
Oct 31st, 2013, 04:32 PM
Price was blessed with super strong vocal cords and she respected her voice almost better than any other top level soprano. She knew her voice, she knew what she could and could not do with it. She took on roles that were suitable for her instead of forcing her natural ability to make her voice suit for them. Thats why she was that good that late in her singing career.

Callas' voice is a special case which is still being discussed today. Some believe that she was a mezzo by nature, then developed upper register for soprano roles. So she kept pushing her voice all the time, extending her natural ability which resulted in her losing the control and technique of it at a relatively early age.

Her voice and its 'fat' tone certainly was different from anything else which made people fascinated by it. To me that voice worked perfectly in some roles and was way to heavy for others. It is a matter of preference though. :)

You nailed it. Callas was a revolutionary. Price 'played safe' (not that
it's wrong of course). I shudder to think what brick... will do if he becomes a mod. I mean, comparing Callas to Masha... :tape:

fantic
Oct 31st, 2013, 04:36 PM
:eek: What an insult to one of the most legendary of all sopranos. Love her or hate her but Callas was a legend.

Sharapova is more like a failed Opera student who now sings pop songs on reality TV.



I own recordings from Adelina Patti and Lilli Lehmann (Callas was an admirer of Lehmann by the way), and yes like serty said the recordings are relatively poor quality and by then their voices were far from their peak but you can still hear technique and you can imagine how good they would've been at their peak. Above all, they are important historical records. I really treasure them.

Now you're insulting Masha :lol: Isn't she in august company with Serena(won all 4 slams) :oh:

I thought Rosa was Maria's idol?
Here is her famous quote(from wikipedia):

"When discussing singers, there are two you must first set aside: Rosa Ponselle and Enrico Caruso. Then you may begin." - Geraldine Farrar, soprano.
"In my lifetime, there have been three vocal miracles: Caruso, Ruffo and Ponselle. Apart from these there have been several wonderful singers." - Tullio Serafin, conductor.
"When you hear the voice of Rosa Ponselle, you hear a fountain of melody blessed by the Lord." - Mary Garden, soprano.
"The most glorious voice that ever came from any woman's throat." - Walter Legge, record producer.
"The greatest singer of us all." - Maria Callas, soprano.
"The Queen of Queens in all of singing." - Luciano Pavarotti, tenor.

By the way, who is greater, Lilli or Lotte?

fantic
Oct 31st, 2013, 04:39 PM
How about her

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lily_Pons

Wasn't there a legendaey soprano who died early? Roughly similar generatiom to Rosa?(maybe earlier)

fantic
Oct 31st, 2013, 05:12 PM
Conclusion : Maria Callas was a fraud with skills barely matching those of Britney Spears and got hyped to no end only cause she was white, Leontyne Price is the real Goat of opera singers and didn't get enough recognition only cause she was black.
Life is a bitch :sad:

Maybe brick....is an American so has a healthy bias for his mother country..let's give a benefit of a doubt :lol:

Did Price conquer Milan as Callas did?

And where's Italian especially Milanese posters here, we need their input :oh:

fantic
Oct 31st, 2013, 06:01 PM
Again, from Wiki: others can only dream :lol:

"The great turning point in Callas's career occurred in Venice in 1949.[17] She was engaged to sing the role of Brünnhilde in Die Walküre at the Teatro la Fenice, when Margherita Carosio, who was engaged to sing Elvira in I puritani in the same theatre, fell ill. Unable to find a replacement for Carosio, Maestro Serafin told Callas that she would be singing Elvira in six days; when Callas protested that she not only did not know the role, but also had three more Brünnhildes to sing, he told her "I guarantee that you can.".[14] Michael Scott's words, "the notion of any one singer embracing music as divergent in its vocal demands as Wagner's Brünnhilde and Bellini's Elvira in the same career would have been cause enough for surprise; but to attempt to essay them both in the same season seemed like folie de grandeur".[10] Before the performance actually took place, one incredulous critic snorted, "We hear that Serafin has agreed to conduct I puritani with a dramatic soprano... When can we expect a new edition of La traviata with [baritone] Gino Bechi's Violetta?"[10] After the performance, critics would write, "Even the most sceptical had to acknowledge the miracle that Maria Callas accomplished... the flexibility of her limpid, beautifully poised voice, and her splendid high notes. Her interpretation also has a humanity, warmth and expressiveness that one would search for in vain in the fragile, pellucid coldness of other Elviras."[18] Franco Zeffirelli recalled, "What she did in Venice was really incredible. You need to be familiar with opera to realize the enormity of her achievement. It was as if someone asked Birgit Nilsson, who is famous for her great Wagnerian voice, to substitute overnight for Beverly Sills, who is one of the great coloratura sopranos of our time."[13]

Scott asserts that "Of all the many roles Callas undertook, it is doubtful if any had a more far-reaching effect."[10] This initial foray into the bel canto repertoire changed the course of Callas's career and set her on a path leading to Lucia di Lammermoor, La traviata, Armida, La sonnambula, Il pirata, Il turco in Italia, Medea and Anna Bolena, and reawakened interest in the long-neglected operas of Cherubini, Bellini, Donizetti and Rossini.[13][16] In the words of soprano Montserrat Caballé,
She opened a new door for us, for all the singers in the world, a door that had been closed. Behind it was sleeping not only great music but great idea of interpretation. She has given us the chance, those who follow her, to do things that were hardly possible before her. That I am compared with Callas is something I never dared to dream. It is not right. I am much smaller than Callas.[16]"

PatrickRyan
Oct 31st, 2013, 07:00 PM
Maria Callas is a legend for a reason! She had a great talent that comes once in a lifetime. No one can touch her! She had that special something that so many people were/are attracted to. She is THE DIVA :worship:

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The Dawntreader
Oct 31st, 2013, 07:08 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2007/mar/14/arethesethe20bestsopranos1

Melba, wasn't she one of the greatest? Forgot about Nilsson too.

Pfttttt. Melba is overrated as hell. Lilli Lehmann was better than her in every way. Nilsson was fantastic in dramatic Germanic roles like Die Walkure, Gotterdammerung, Elektra etc, but anything that required any sense of finesse or technical virtuosity in Italian roles, she was completely redundant. Not a good enough all-rounder.

serty
Oct 31st, 2013, 07:19 PM
Ever charismatic Rosa Ponselle. :worship:

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fantic
Oct 31st, 2013, 07:42 PM
Pfttttt. Melba is overrated as hell. Lilli Lehmann was better than her in every way. Nilsson was fantastic in dramatic Germanic roles like Die Walkure, Gotterdammerung, Elektra etc, but anything that required any sense of finesse or technical virtuosity in Italian roles, she was completely redundant. Not a good enough all-rounder.

Well, not everybody can do a 'Callas'

Wonder who's better, Nilsson or Flagstad in Wagnerian roles.

And who's the best mezzo? Ludwig?

The Dawntreader
Oct 31st, 2013, 08:15 PM
Well, not everybody can do a 'Callas'

Wonder who's better, Nilsson or Flagstad in Wagnerian roles.

And who's the best mezzo? Ludwig?

Nilsson was probably better in Wagnerian roles. Her upper register was far more reliable than Flagstad's in the truly gruelling Germanic roles, even if Flagstad had a more even, richer tone. I suspect she was a formative mezzo with a high extension and encouraged to sing dramatic Soprano rep.

There's a wealth of great mezzos. Horne, Stignani, Simionato, Cossotto, Verrett, Ludwig, Barbieri. The best and most versatile mezzo of recent years is probably DiDonato. I'd say Maria Malibran is the greatest mezzo ever from what I've read about her. Then maybe Stignani, Horne or Simionato.

The greatest contralto by far IMO is Ewa Podles. A magic voice.

fantic
Oct 31st, 2013, 08:32 PM
Nilsson was probably better in Wagnerian roles. Her upper register was far more reliable than Flagstad's in the truly gruelling Germanic roles, even if Flagstad had a more even, richer tone. I suspect she was a formative mezzo with a high extension and encouraged to sing dramatic Soprano rep.

There's a wealth of great mezzos. Horne, Stignani, Simionato, Cossotto, Verrett, Ludwig, Barbieri. The best and most versatile mezzo of recent years is probably DiDonato. I'd say Maria Malibran is the greatest mezzo ever from what I've read about her. Then maybe Stignani, Horne or Simionato.

The greatest contralto by far IMO is Ewa Podles. A magic voice.

Thx, how do you know so much :lol:

And yes thank you! It was Malibran I was talking about, who died young

http:// http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Malibran (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Malibran)

The Dawntreader
Oct 31st, 2013, 10:07 PM
Thx, how do you know so much :lol:

And yes thank you! It was Malibran I was talking about, who died young

http:// http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Malibran (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Malibran)

If you are passionate about something, you learn a lot:) It's like tennis I guess.

dybbuk
Oct 31st, 2013, 10:24 PM
If you are passionate about something, you learn a lot:) It's like tennis I guess.

Also ur a nerd.

JCTennisFan
Nov 1st, 2013, 05:12 AM
http://www.blastr.com/sites/blastr/files/images/FifthElementDiva.jpg

This chick?

allhailwilliams
Nov 1st, 2013, 05:46 AM
Who made this wack azz poll?..., first if all, a poll that doesn't include leotyne price is no poll. Price is not only the greatest soprano this century. ..but I would match her against your suppose goddess callas. Price would wipe the floor with all those lilly white wannabe divas with her peerless talent. Hell, Beverly sills and jessie norman are better singers than callas.

The Dawntreader
Nov 1st, 2013, 06:34 AM
Also ur a nerd.

Says the wannabe Asian.

serty
Nov 1st, 2013, 08:04 AM
:rolleyes:
Does every thread in this forum need to become a mess?
It still amazes me how you guys manage to bitch about everything. :tape:

Trying to stay on topic...

This is such a precious historical recording. :worship:

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semprelibera
Nov 1st, 2013, 09:01 AM
Hell, Beverly sills and jessie norman are better singers than callas.

:spit::lol:

semprelibera
Nov 1st, 2013, 09:12 AM
The best and most versatile mezzo of recent years is probably DiDonato.

I saw DiDonato perform Rosina years back when I didn't know who she was and was impressed.

brickhousesupporter
Nov 1st, 2013, 09:59 AM
Jessye Norman.....a different kind of Soprano
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Kathleen Battle.....could have been a huge star but her difficult to work with attitude held her back. She was a DIVA and she knew it. Her voice is great though.

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serty
Nov 1st, 2013, 02:04 PM
Jessye Norman.....a different kind of Soprano


Kathleen Battle.....could have been a huge star but her difficult to work with attitude held her back. She was a DIVA and she knew it. Her voice is great though.


Really liked Jessye Norman. Love dramatic voices. Thanks. :)
Though I'm glad she didn't stick to the roles like Aida. Guess it took some time for her to recognize her voice and style.

serty
Nov 1st, 2013, 02:10 PM
Dear Netrebko, (and other lyric sopranos who lose their way) this is how Lady Macbeth must sound. Like a villain not a princess..

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Richie's
Nov 1st, 2013, 02:12 PM
Maria Callas.
What an amazing voice and such a dramatic preformer.
Such a shame her life and her death were dramatic as well.

Richie's
Nov 1st, 2013, 02:15 PM
Brightman is one of my fav. as well!

pierce85
Nov 1st, 2013, 02:51 PM
Maria Callas is the best,most legendary performer. Some people comparing her to that chick Price lol

semprelibera
Nov 1st, 2013, 04:16 PM
Really liked Jessye Norman. Love dramatic voices. Thanks. :)
Though I'm glad she didn't stick to the roles like Aida. Guess it took some time for her to recognize her voice and style.

Not too fond of her, but her Ariadne under Levine is really something special.

brickhousesupporter
Nov 1st, 2013, 09:17 PM
You tried lol.
You should have used Leontyne's D'amor sull'ali rosee from the bell telephone hour complete with optional high Dflat. That is literally the best performance of her's (and of that aria for that matter) that I've ever heard.
You want to compare and contrast Leontyne's STUDIO sempre libera, with Callas LIVE?
Lol, no you don't.
why not.....at least it would be in tune.....

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What were you saying about her not being able to sing it?

The Dawntreader
Nov 2nd, 2013, 09:13 AM
why not.....at least it would be in tune.....

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What were you saying about her not being able to sing it?

The coloratura is mushy and laboured as hell. Well done for choosing the worst example ever. You'd could've at least shown Sutherland.

Pops Maellard
Nov 2nd, 2013, 09:54 AM
Don't know a thing about opera and she's really arrogant but voted Dame Kiri Te Kanawa 'cause she's from New Zealand :devil:.

Sam L
Nov 2nd, 2013, 12:35 PM
What about Giuditta Pasta?

serty
Nov 2nd, 2013, 12:38 PM
What about Giuditta Pasta?

If you have, share some of her recordings please. I would love to hear them.
:p

The Dawntreader
Nov 2nd, 2013, 12:41 PM
What about Giuditta Pasta?

One of the all-time greats. She's probably the closest to Callas voice-wise from what I've read.

Pops Maellard
Nov 2nd, 2013, 12:43 PM
One of the all-time greats. She's probably the closest to Callas voice-wise from what I've read.
How would you assess Dame Kiri?

The Dawntreader
Nov 2nd, 2013, 01:24 PM
How would you assess Dame Kiri?

Kiri had a beautiful lyric voice that was ideal for the more stationary Mozart roles like the Countess in the Marriage of Figarro and Strauss's Marschallin etc, etc. She never really sang anything outside her fach, which is why she's kind of overrated in a sense. She never pushed her voice beyond what was completely comfortable.

Plus I find her kind of dull. A beautiful voice, but a beautiful voice is just a beautiful voice. I don't really hear anything authentic emotionally in her voice. Someone like Renee Fleming or Elisabeth Schwarzkopf are/were much, much better.

Guest12315544
Nov 3rd, 2013, 01:58 AM
I hate opera! The only one I knew was Callas and I didn't know her for her singing :hehehe:

serty
Nov 3rd, 2013, 08:22 AM
I hate opera! The only one I knew was Callas and I didn't know her for her singing :hehehe:

Why? It has lots of drama like WTA. :p

1:41 :drool:

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Vulturepova
Nov 4th, 2013, 08:34 AM
Kirsten Flagstad.

Why's she not on the poll?

Valanga
Nov 4th, 2013, 08:36 AM
Is Cecilia Bartoli good?

Valanga
Nov 4th, 2013, 08:39 AM
The only Opera song (Is song the right word to describe opera? Any specific Italian vocabs?) I know is the one sung in Downton Abbey :lol: - O Mio Babbino Caro

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She looked so effortless

serty
Nov 4th, 2013, 02:44 PM
The only Opera song (Is song the right word to describe opera? Any specific Italian vocabs?) I know is the one sung in Downton Abbey :lol: - O Mio Babbino Caro


She looked so effortless

It is painful to listen to if you knew Callas at her peak. :sad:

Valanga
Nov 4th, 2013, 02:48 PM
It is painful to listen to if you knew Callas at her peak. :sad:

What do you mean?

serty
Nov 4th, 2013, 02:58 PM
What do you mean?

That was Callas' last concert. Technically speaking, by that point her voice was completely gone. It is still an incredibly emotional performance but that certainly was not effortless. It wasn't effortless for Callas to sing and it wasn't effortless to listen to for people who knew what 'real Callas' could produce...

Everything about that concert was depressing. :sad:

Valanga
Nov 4th, 2013, 02:59 PM
That was Callas' last concert. Technically speaking, by that point her voice was completely gone. It is still an incredibly emotional performance but that certainly was not effortless. It wasn't effortless for Callas to sing and it wasn't effortless to listen to for people who knew what 'real Callas' could produce...

Everything about that concert was depressing. :sad:

Gotcha. :sad:

semprelibera
Nov 4th, 2013, 08:21 PM
Why? It has lots of drama like WTA. :p

1:41 :drool:

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Love Adriana Lecouvreur. Cilea wrote some incredibly beautiful music and even thought he opera is crazy dramatic (even for operatic standards) the music more than makes up for it.
I could do without the ballet though.
Olga Borodina as the Principessa is just :worship:. She is perfect for that role. Her acting and voice are superlative.

brickhousesupporter
Nov 5th, 2013, 10:01 AM
Let me continue my education so that you can become free thinkers instead of going along with the accepted.

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bulava
Nov 5th, 2013, 01:16 PM
I don't know much about those names, so can't vote for anyone.

However, I chose Other because this scene/song is one of my Top 3 Romantic moments on TV. Jennifer Ehle (Elizabeth) sings Voi Che Sapete in Pride and Prejudice BBC miniseries :hearts:

It was Charlotte Church who sung this masterpiece:

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Caution: looks may kill :D

serty
Nov 5th, 2013, 06:43 PM
I don't know much about those names, so can't vote for anyone.

However, I chose Other because this scene/song is one of my Top 3 Romantic moments on TV. Jennifer Ehle (Elizabeth) sings Voi Che Sapete in Pride and Prejudice BBC miniseries :hearts:

It was Charlotte Church who sung this masterpiece:


So, Charlotte Church is an opera singer?
Hmm. And I thought I was an opera fan. How could I miss her?


:p

The Dawntreader
Nov 5th, 2013, 07:17 PM
Let me continue my education so that you can become free thinkers instead of going along with the accepted.

Nt3qn5vkgtc

Way too light a voice for this role. The low notes are barely audible. People forget this role was originally wrote for a contralto and actually sits comfortably in a mezzo tessitura.

edificio
Nov 5th, 2013, 07:55 PM
Impossible to choose, so I gave Victoria de los Angeles a vote.

edificio
Nov 5th, 2013, 08:02 PM
The only Opera song (Is song the right word to describe opera? Any specific Italian vocabs?) I know is the one sung in Downton Abbey :lol: - O Mio Babbino Caro

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She looked so effortless

Kiri Te Kanewa and Renee Fleming do this aria well. Most sopranos do. :)

The Dawntreader
Nov 5th, 2013, 08:21 PM
Impossible to choose, so I gave Victoria de los Angeles a vote.

Such a lovely, gorgeously rich warm voice. Her upper register above High B-flat had a lot of problems though.

WonderFan
Nov 5th, 2013, 10:23 PM
Peak Pierce and Peak Callas.

dybbuk
Nov 5th, 2013, 10:32 PM
Let me continue my education so that you can become free thinkers instead of going along with the accepted.

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Condescension ("You may know what you like, but if you were as smart as me...") like this is why the general public won't get into opera or classical music in general.

Chrissie-fan
Nov 6th, 2013, 01:42 AM
Condescension ("You may know what you like, but if you were as smart as me...") like this is why the general public won't get into opera or classical music in general.
There's just as much condescension on pop/rock forums as there is on opera/classical music forums. If you go to a pop/rock forum where most argue that, say, the Beatles were the best you can bet that there will be someone on there who claims that, say, the Beau Brummels were better. Not because he really believes that but because they are not so well known and thus he thinks it makes him look smarter. 'Serious' music lovers are in love with the idea of knowing something more than the rest of us. Not that brickhousesupporter necessarily falls into this category because Kathleen Battle is of course very well known. And some lesser known artists (both classical and popular) are indeed very good, but most music fanatics are nevertheless no strangers to snobbism.

Chrissie-fan
Nov 6th, 2013, 01:51 AM
That was Callas' last concert. Technically speaking, by that point her voice was completely gone. It is still an incredibly emotional performance but that certainly was not effortless. It wasn't effortless for Callas to sing and it wasn't effortless to listen to for people who knew what 'real Callas' could produce...

Everything about that concert was depressing. :sad:
Agreed. The crowds were very enthusiastic, but they were cheering for the career and the legend (plus they had genuine affection for the woman), not the actual performance.

PatrickRyan
Nov 6th, 2013, 03:21 AM
The only Opera song (Is song the right word to describe opera? Any specific Italian vocabs?) I know is the one sung in Downton Abbey :lol: - O Mio Babbino Caro

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She looked so effortless

This version is much better :)

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She sings with so much passions, it's mesmerizing :worship:

semprelibera
Nov 6th, 2013, 03:34 AM
Condescension ("You may know what you like, but if you were as smart as me...") like this is why the general public won't get into opera or classical music in general.

This would imply Brickhouse is speaking from a position of knowledge and authority which is clearly not the case.
Those are the worst kind of opera snobs.

semprelibera
Nov 6th, 2013, 03:35 AM
Way too light a voice for this role. The low notes are barely audible. People forget this role was originally wrote for a contralto and actually sits comfortably in a mezzo tessitura.

This. I never got the fascination with Battle. She was very pretty, sung prettily, but her voice didn't excite or thrill.

dybbuk
Nov 6th, 2013, 03:49 AM
This would imply Brickhouse is speaking from a position of knowledge and authority which is clearly not the case.
Those are the worst kind of opera snobs.

My comment as nothing to do with the validity of brickhouse's opinion (I am no opera expert, I was a pianist and pianists are the only classical musicians I would feign any knowledge of aka Richter is the GOAT), just his general tone in this thread of "People who don't think Callas was a hack are obviously idiots, ACTUALLY intelligent people listen to ____" is incredibly off-putting for anyone with passing interest in opera or classical music in general.

And I can't help but feel that some of the hatred toward Callas is because she has more popular appeal than just about any other classical music performer and non-opera fans sometimes listen to her, which threatens opera fans who like to feel superior about themselves for knowing about opera. So they have to put down Callas and the people who like her to reassert their superiority and intelligence.

semprelibera
Nov 6th, 2013, 04:34 AM
So they have to put down Callas and the people who like her to reassert their superiority and intelligence.

He's just trying to remind us of black opera singers while trolling. I actually appreciate it, just not the trolling bits.

bulava
Nov 6th, 2013, 07:55 AM
So, Charlotte Church is an opera singer?
Hmm. And I thought I as an opera fan. How could I miss her?

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:wavey:

serty
Nov 6th, 2013, 07:56 AM
The most prolific performer of Violetta. Ever underrated Virginia Zeani.

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serty
Nov 6th, 2013, 08:02 AM
:wavey:

I know who she is. I was joking. This thread is about opera singers and she is not a one. ;)

bulava
Nov 6th, 2013, 08:30 AM
Church, a pop and opera singer with a spectacular voice, was the latest prominent person to tell the committee how Britain's unscrupulous press has invaded their privacy and damaged their lives! (I'm not surprised)

http://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/news/1159413/singer-charlotte-church-uk-press-destroyed-my-career

To me it doesn't matter if she is one or not. That song itself is more than a million. EOD :)

Sam L
Nov 6th, 2013, 10:32 AM
My comment as nothing to do with the validity of brickhouse's opinion (I am no opera expert, I was a pianist and pianists are the only classical musicians I would feign any knowledge of aka Richter is the GOAT), just his general tone in this thread of "People who don't think Callas was a hack are obviously idiots, ACTUALLY intelligent people listen to ____" is incredibly off-putting for anyone with passing interest in opera or classical music in general.

And I can't help but feel that some of the hatred toward Callas is because she has more popular appeal than just about any other classical music performer and non-opera fans sometimes listen to her, which threatens opera fans who like to feel superior about themselves for knowing about opera. So they have to put down Callas and the people who like her to reassert their superiority and intelligence.

The worst are those snobs who look at you or roll their eyes or sigh when you're clapping after an aria when you're not supposed to or whatever. :lol:

I think if you listen to or go to opera to be a snob then you're doing it for the wrong reasons.

I like opera but I don't pretend to be an expert or anything. I think if you like Donizetti/Bellini/Rossini operas, you can't not appreciate Callas and Sutherland, even if not for their voice, for the work they did in revivals of those operas and their contribution to the art in general.

Sam L
Nov 6th, 2013, 10:33 AM
If you have, share some of her recordings please. I would love to hear them.
:p

I wish. :p

serty
Nov 6th, 2013, 12:34 PM
This woman always gives me so much life.
Such a clear, soft voice that still somehow manages to sound soulful and dramatic.
Also the amazing finish. :worship:

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Pops Maellard
Nov 7th, 2013, 12:37 AM
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Charlotte was what they call 'classical crossover'. It's different to opera.

semprelibera
Nov 7th, 2013, 12:57 AM
The worst are those snobs who look at you or roll their eyes or sigh when you're clapping after an aria when you're not supposed to or whatever. :lol:

This totally happened to me! Saw Turandot with Vladimir Galouzine as Calaf (his voice is MASSIVE!) First time hearing him and after his first aria I clapped like crazy and this guy in a tux beside me gave me the weirdest look :rolls:
First tenor ever I have heard live that could really do justice to that role, you bet I was excited.

semprelibera
Nov 7th, 2013, 01:05 AM
An opera singer is highly and rigorously trained and assays roles.
Performing a role is orders of magnitude more difficult than singing a random aria.
Charlotte Church is not an opera singer, but classical crossover artist (like Il Divo, Sarah Brightman).

Luchador
Nov 7th, 2013, 09:04 AM
Maria Callas

Londoner
Nov 7th, 2013, 09:15 PM
Not surprised to see Callas way out in front. She was wonderful but also of the era when big stars had certain auras and mystery about them - something not possible today with the type of media and social blogging we have.

Not sure if anyone has mentioned Anna Netrebko or Angela Gheorghiu.

PatrickRyan
Nov 8th, 2013, 03:01 AM
One of my favs :)

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serty
Nov 9th, 2013, 06:31 PM
Don't like when this thread goes missing from the first page. :p
It needs a 'wild' comeback like this! :hearts:

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Nicolás89
Nov 9th, 2013, 10:55 PM
What about Yma Sumac? For many not technically pleasant, for many not really a soprano but you can't deny her range. Plus unlike many she was able to remain healthy and was active for at least 4 decades.

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The Dawntreader
Nov 9th, 2013, 11:27 PM
What about Yma Sumac? For many not technically pleasant, for many not really a soprano but you can't deny her range. Plus unlike many she was able to remain healthy and was active for at least 4 decades.

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She wasn't really an Opera singer. There are many things that sounded a tad amateurish when she sang operatic arias. An amazing vocal talent though, the precursor to singers like Minnie Ripperton and Mariah Carey.

brickhousesupporter
Nov 9th, 2013, 11:30 PM
Plus unlike many she was able to remain healthy and was active for at least 4 decades.



Not important for this group opera fans.....all anyone ever cares for is that they were able to sing the song for week back in the day. It really is Wimbledon at 17......

Nicolás89
Nov 9th, 2013, 11:48 PM
She wasn't really an Opera singer. There are many things that sounded a tad amateurish when she sang operatic arias. An amazing vocal talent though, the precursor to singers like Minnie Ripperton and Mariah Carey.

You've heard her sing arias? You must be one of the few. Yma never really cared for arias, she sang folk, salsa, lounge, even rock but I don't thinkshe ever performed live arias in a noteworthy stage, so yeah she doesn't really qualify for what this thread is intended for. I was however able to find this attempt from Yma:

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Not important for this group opera fans.....all anyone ever cares for is that they were able to sing the song for week back in the day. It really is Wimbledon at 17......

Callas peak lasted about 5 years, so from another perspective many could say she was like Navratilova from 1982 to 1987 when she won 14 slams. :p

DemWilliamsGulls
Nov 10th, 2013, 04:03 AM
I chose other, Leontyne Price is my favorite.

The Dawntreader
Nov 10th, 2013, 09:11 AM
You've heard her sing arias? You must be one of the few. Yma never really cared for arias, she sang folk, salsa, lounge, even rock but I don't thinkshe ever performed live arias in a noteworthy stage, so yeah she doesn't really qualify for what this thread is intended for. I was however able to find this attempt from Yma:

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Callas peak lasted about 5 years, so from another perspective many could say she was like Navratilova from 1982 to 1987 when she won 14 slams. :p

Callas peak was actually post-war in Greece (1947 when she started off singing multiple Toscas) up til about 1957 when she was still singing Norma and Anna Bolena gloriously.

Callas's prime and the repertoire she sang within that time has never been equalled by anyone in recorded history.

Pops Maellard
Nov 10th, 2013, 09:18 AM
You've heard her sing arias? You must be one of the few. Yma never really cared for arias, she sang folk, salsa, lounge, even rock but I don't thinkshe ever performed live arias in a noteworthy stage, so yeah she doesn't really qualify for what this thread is intended for. I was however able to find this attempt from Yma:

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Callas peak lasted about 5 years, so from another perspective many could say she was like Navratilova from 1982 to 1987 when she won 14 slams. :p
To me that sounded lovely, but then I know little about opera. The woman clearly had skills though, and I'd never heard of her before if I'm honest :eek:.

NeKo
Nov 10th, 2013, 08:14 PM
Sarah Brightman and Tarja Turunen. If it's only classical, I also like Angela Gheorghiu.

serty
Nov 10th, 2013, 09:14 PM
There seems to be common misunderstanding about the 'opera singer'. To be one, you actually, you know, have to sing in an opera with a role, backed by live orchestra and no microphone for support.

Some famous singers that sound 'operatic' (!) like Brightman, Bocelli, Turunen etc. are generally called 'classical-crossover' singers.

For example, this video's title is just wrong. This lady is NOT an opera singer. (And thank to heavens for that) :tape:

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Sisyphus
Nov 10th, 2013, 09:37 PM
There seems to be common misunderstanding about the 'opera singer'. To be one, you actually, you know, have to sing in an opera with a role, backed by live orchestra and no microphone for support.

Some famous singers that sound 'operatic' (!) like Brightman, Bocelli, Turunen etc. are generally called 'classical-crossover' singers.

For example, this video's title is just wrong. This lady is NOT an opera singer. (And thank to heavens for that) :tape:

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Ugh, why would you even post a video of the awful creature here.

Nicolás89
Nov 10th, 2013, 09:46 PM
There seems to be common misunderstanding about the 'opera singer'. To be one, you actually, you know, have to sing in an opera with a role, backed by live orchestra and no microphone for support.

Some famous singers that sound 'operatic' (!) like Brightman, Bocelli, Turunen etc. are generally called 'classical-crossover' singers.

For example, this video's title is just wrong. This lady is NOT an opera singer. (And thank to heavens for that) :tape:

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That's why I said Yma didn't qualify. ;)

brickhousesupporter
Nov 10th, 2013, 09:54 PM
There seems to be common misunderstanding about the 'opera singer'. To be one, you actually, you know, have to sing in an opera with a role, backed by live orchestra and no microphone for support.

Some famous singers that sound 'operatic' (!) like Brightman, Bocelli, Turunen etc. are generally called 'classical-crossover' singers.

For example, this video's title is just wrong. This lady is NOT an opera singer. (And thank to heavens for that) :tape:

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That was awful!

Here is Mezzo Soprano Denyce Graves......

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serty
Nov 10th, 2013, 10:18 PM
Denyce Graves was very good but nothing beats this 'Habanera'. :oh:
Federer feat. Montserrat Caballé in Basel. I was shocked when I saw this on TV back in the day! Everything (occasion, 'stage', choir, costume, singing) was a mess. :drool:

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The Dawntreader
Nov 11th, 2013, 05:40 AM
Denyce Graves was very good but nothing beats this 'Habanera'. :oh:
Federer feat. Montserrat Caballé in Basel. I was shocked when I saw this on TV back in the day! Everything (occasion, 'stage', choir, costume, singing) was a mess. :drool:

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She was nearly 80 years old here. Caballe has been singing for way too long obviously, but she was a major, major artist in her prime.

Pops Maellard
Nov 11th, 2013, 09:32 AM
Check this out :lol:. This is the definition of 'popera'.

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NeKo
Nov 11th, 2013, 10:38 AM
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serty
Nov 11th, 2013, 11:38 AM
Check this out :lol:. This is the definition of 'popera'.


What is the purpose of this really? Is he making a tribute to Pavarotti by making Puccini roll in his grave? :help:


Anyway, nothing beats a full-bodied contralto. Final 'silenzio' is.. :scared:

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serty
Nov 12th, 2013, 06:33 PM
Here is one of legends of the stage, Magda Olivero, with the role that she is most associated with, Adriana Lecouvreur. Her career is one of the rarest kind that you can find. She retired from the stage when she was just 31 because of marriage. She then returned a decade later and sang into her 70's. She may not be a household name, but she was adored by the audience. :worship:

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BTW, she is 103 now and still going strong. :cool:

wild.river
Nov 12th, 2013, 06:36 PM
can someone explain what you have to hear for technically to determine whether someone is singing well or not?

The Dawntreader
Nov 12th, 2013, 06:37 PM
Here is one of legends of the stage, Magda Olivero, with the role that she is most associated with, Adriana Lecouvreur. Her career is one of the rarest kind that you can find. She retired from the stage when she was just 31 because of marriage. She then returned a decade later and sang into her 70's. She may not be a household name, but she was adored by the audience. :worship:

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BTW, she is 103 now and still going strong. :cool:

Overrated as hell by opera stans who think the only style worth singing is Verismo. Plus she sang WAY too long. Some of her concerts in her 80's/90's sound like an actual exorcism.

The Dawntreader
Nov 12th, 2013, 06:39 PM
can someone explain what you have to hear for technically to determine whether someone is singing well or not?

Intonation, projection of the voice, articulation of the text, usage and control of registers, how well they're maintaining the breath, etc, etc.

If you get into opera it becomes very easy to hear what people are doing well and if singers are singing like a bag of shit. Just like in pop music.

brickhousesupporter
Nov 12th, 2013, 07:50 PM
Intonation, projection of the voice, articulation of the text, usage and control of registers, how well they're maintaining the breath, etc, etc.

If you get into opera it becomes very easy to hear what people are doing well and if singers are singing like a bag of shit. Just like in pop music.
.....and when you are a Maria Callas fan, you throw all that out the window!

serty
Nov 12th, 2013, 08:15 PM
Overrated as hell by opera stans who think the only style worth singing is Verismo. Plus she sang WAY too long. Some of her concerts in her 80's/90's sound like an actual exorcism.

:rolleyes:

Do you have to criticize all the time? You are so annoyingly negative. And please, how did Callas sound during her concerts in the 70's? Every singer has their peak and then their fall. There is no need to point out their technical vulnerabilities when they are years past their prime.

The Dawntreader
Nov 12th, 2013, 09:09 PM
.....and when you are a Maria Callas fan, you through all that out the window!

You don't know anything. It's your constant fate in life.

:rolleyes:

Do you have to criticize all the time? You are so annoyingly negative. And please, how did Callas sound during her concerts in the 70's? Every singer has their peak and then their fall. There is no need to point out their technical vulnerabilities when they are years past their prime.

Who cares what Callas sounded like in the 70's when she revolutionised the face of opera in the late 40's and throughout the 50's? There is enough legacy to forget a decline that is merely a footnote in an iconic career.

And Olivero was a fine singer, but she never took any risks, always sang the same roles for years and years until she couldn't even sing them any more. I'm sorry but it's true.

And I wouldn't be that critical if you actually posted proof of truly great singers:)

semprelibera
Nov 12th, 2013, 09:20 PM
Check this out :lol:. This is the definition of 'popera'.

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The high B wasn't terrible. Almost as good as mine :oh:
Seriously though :help:

serty
Nov 12th, 2013, 09:41 PM
You don't know anything. It's your constant fate in life.



Who cares what Callas sounded like in the 70's when she revolutionised the face of opera in the late 40's and throughout the 50's? There is enough legacy to forget a decline that is merely a footnote in an iconic career.

And Olivero was a fine singer, but she never took any risks, always sang the same roles for years and years until she couldn't even sing them any more. I'm sorry but it's true.

And I wouldn't be that critical if you actually posted proof of truly great singers:)

Oh. The same old 'Callas is untouchable. Rest were born rubbish' attitude, which has only hurt opera and Callas so far. Very mature.. *Sigh* Anyway, continue listening to Callas, Cabelle, Sutherland and their 'perfection'.

Meanwhile; I will post, probably, another 'not a truly great singer' called Marisa Galvany. :)

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Good night. :)

semprelibera
Nov 12th, 2013, 09:50 PM
Anyway, nothing beats a full-bodied contralto. Final 'silenzio' is.. :scared:

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There is some fantastic music written for mezzos. Azucena, Ulrica and Amneris have some dramatic scenes that can be AMAZING with the right talent.

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The best Trovatore, first of all had a great set and they handled the 'Condotta ell'era ceppi' scene marvelously. They had fire shoot out from the stage at different points each time the orchestra was FF as Azucena recounts to Manrico the burning. Amidst all this was the mezzo giving a superlative performance with utmost chest voice.
INCREDIBLE!

semprelibera
Nov 12th, 2013, 10:17 PM
Here is one of legends of the stage, Magda Olivero, with the role that she is most associated with, Adriana Lecouvreur.

Overall, I like Magda, however her rapid fire vibrato can get grating and her upper register tended to be shrill sounding.
However in certain roles (and sometimes, in certain parts of roles) she was pretty good.
Act 3 of Tosca, she recounts to Manrico how she killed Scarpia. The phrase "io quella lama gli piantai nel cor" goes up to a soprano high C and then has a 2 octave descending scale drop.

I have one of Magda's recorded Tosca's where she does all this in one breath, from a brilliant ringing high C to a blood curdling chest middle C. Absolutely the best I've heard of any soprano including Callas.
(However Magda's Tosca as a whole cannot be compared to Callas; just to be clear)

semprelibera
Nov 12th, 2013, 10:25 PM
can someone explain what you have to hear for technically to determine whether someone is singing well or not?

Can you hear the passaggio? If not, you have a good singer

Overrated as hell by opera stans who think the only style worth singing is Verismo. Plus she sang WAY too long. Some of her concerts in her 80's/90's sound like an actual exorcism.

I see no lies. :oh:

brickhousesupporter
Nov 12th, 2013, 10:40 PM
The best Trovatore, first of all had a great set and they handled the 'Condotta ell'era ceppi' scene marvelously. They had fire shoot out from the stage at different points each time the orchestra was FF as Azucena recounts to Manrico the burning. Amidst all this was the mezzo giving a superlative performance with utmost chest voice.
INCREDIBLE!

I was going to post this next.....you beat me to it. I will go back to Leontyne Price.

brickhousesupporter
Nov 12th, 2013, 10:46 PM
Leontyne Price "D'amor sull'ali rosee" Il Trovatore

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Her control and finesse of the vocals is superb.

GoLdEnSeToV
Nov 12th, 2013, 11:42 PM
No polish opera singer here? :(

Bogna Sokorska, I love this!

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The Dawntreader
Nov 13th, 2013, 05:44 AM
Oh. The same old 'Callas is untouchable. Rest were born rubbish' attitude, which has only hurt opera and Callas so far. Very mature.. *Sigh* Anyway, continue listening to Callas, Cabelle, Sutherland and their 'perfection'.

Meanwhile; I will post, probably, another 'not a truly great singer' called Marisa Galvany. :)

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Good night. :)

Ah I love Galvany. Her Medea in Corinto is off the chain.

serty
Nov 13th, 2013, 11:03 AM
No polish opera singer here? :(

Bogna Sokorska, I love this!


Leyla Gencer's mother was Polish. Does it count? :p

Here she is singing in her mother's language to Chopin. It is one of last recordings of her.

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BTW, a big WOW at Bogna Sokorska! She was amazing! I'm generally not a fan of lyric voices but she sounds like an angel. Thank you. :)

Pops Maellard
Nov 13th, 2013, 11:36 AM
Dame Kiri, late 60s and still sounding ace :yeah:.

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serty
Nov 13th, 2013, 11:38 AM
There is some fantastic music written for mezzos. Azucena, Ulrica and Amneris have some dramatic scenes that can be AMAZING with the right talent.

MqucSiCUyN8?t=6m11s

The best Trovatore, first of all had a great set and they handled the 'Condotta ell'era ceppi' scene marvelously. They had fire shoot out from the stage at different points each time the orchestra was FF as Azucena recounts to Manrico the burning. Amidst all this was the mezzo giving a superlative performance with utmost chest voice.
INCREDIBLE!

Verrett is probably my favourite mezzo. Unlike some other mezzo-sopranos, her voice was very clear and bright. She had great drama sense as well. Her Lady Macbeth is one of best that I ever heard. :worship:

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Sisyphus
Nov 13th, 2013, 12:15 PM
Leyla Gencer's mother was Polish. Does it count? :p

Here she is singing in her mother's language to Chopin. It is one of last recordings of her.

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BTW, a big WOW at Bogna Sokorska! She was amazing! I'm generally not a fan of lyric voices but she sounds like an angel. Thank you. :)

Ewa Podles is Polish. She's probably the best living contralto.

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Pops Maellard
Nov 16th, 2013, 09:44 AM
Another recent-ish performance.

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semprelibera
Dec 2nd, 2013, 06:24 AM
Today would have been La Callas 90th birthday.
I will be posting gems of hers throughout the day to commemorate her life and immense gift gone too soon.

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The final "parlami, amore" :sad::sad::sad::sad:

semprelibera
Dec 2nd, 2013, 06:33 AM
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semprelibera
Dec 2nd, 2013, 06:40 AM
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Sam L
Dec 2nd, 2013, 07:15 AM
Today would have been La Callas 90th birthday.


Funny I was just listening to Norma yesterday. Happy Birthday to La Divina!

It's also Monica Seles's 40th Birthday today and a day before my birthday. Go Sagittarians!

Sam L
Dec 2nd, 2013, 07:25 AM
Google Doodle

https://www.google.com.au/logos/doodles/2013/maria-callas-90th-birthday-6111044824989696-hp.jpg

Beautiful...

bulava
Dec 2nd, 2013, 11:51 AM
It's also Monica Seles's 40th Birthday today and a day before my birthday. Go Sagittarians!
My Papa's on day after! He is a good man, husband and parent. I guess that makes a good Saggi? I hardly remember anything from Linda Goodman's zodiac book :tape:

Never mind, my belated Birthday Wishes to you :)

gulzhan
Dec 2nd, 2013, 12:10 PM
Funny I was just listening to Norma yesterday. Happy Birthday to La Divina!

It's also Monica Seles's 40th Birthday today and a day before my birthday. Go Sagittarians!

+1 :rocker2:

PatrickRyan
Dec 2nd, 2013, 11:13 PM
Legend :worship:

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Sisyphus
Dec 2nd, 2013, 11:16 PM
La Divina :worship:

semprelibera
Dec 3rd, 2013, 03:02 AM
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Marvellous.

semprelibera
Dec 3rd, 2013, 03:09 AM
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Casta Diva indeed...

semprelibera
Dec 3rd, 2013, 03:10 AM
And finally, Tosca.

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