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Warrior
Aug 2nd, 2006, 04:11 PM
The ongoing farcical "talks" between Serbia and the rebel Albanians from Kosovo reached the heights of absurdity last Monday (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/24/world/europe/24cnd-kosovo.html?ex=1154577600&en=9c25898108536294&ei=5070), when the Serbian president and prime minister were brought to the same table as the "president" and "prime minister" of their occupied province. Making the "law and order" PM Vojislav Kostunica accept Agim Ceku, indicted for terrorism and war crimes, as his legitimate counterpart was a calculated slap in the face to Belgrade by the chief negotiator Martti Ahtisaari (http://www.antiwar.com/malic/?articleid=7872).

Editors at a pro-Imperial journal, Transitions Online, made a good observation in their commentary (http://www.tol.cz/look/TOL/article_single.tpl?IdLanguage=1&IdPublication=4&NrIssue=176&NrSection=2&NrArticle=17401&ST1=ad&ST_T1=job&ST_AS1=1&ST2=body&ST_T2=letter&ST_AS2=1&ST3=text&ST_T3=aatol&ST_AS3=1&ST_max=3) on the meeting: it "[violated] a basic tenet of diplomacy: talk only if there's something to talk about." The Albanians have long since made clear that the only outcome acceptable to them is independence. The government in Belgrade has said it can accept just about everything except independence.

Belgrade is not insisting on capture and trial of Albanian terrorists charged with gruesome crimes against civilians – Albanian, as well as Serb, Roma, Turk, and other. Nor is it demanding the full and unqualified "reintegration" of Kosovo into the Serbian constitutional order, the way Franjo Tudjman's Croatia did in Dayton, concerning the last Serb enclave his troops had not managed to ethnically cleanse. It is not even demanding the full implementation of UNSCR 1244 (http://www.nato.int/kosovo/docu/u990610a.htm), which provided for deployment of Serb police and military on Kosovo's external borders – something the province's occupiers never bothered to enforce, along with other burdensome duties explicitly required in that document, such as protecting the lives and property of non-Albanians. Kostunica and Tadic are merely demanding that the "international community" obey its own laws and desist from its efforts to carve out 15 percent of Serbia's territory.

Intransigent!

The day before the talks began, the Washington Post ran an editorial titled "Serbia's Intransigence (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/23/AR2006072300564.html)," accusing both Tadic and Kostunica of being "deaf" to a "firm Western consensus" on Kosovo, and the "forward-looking vision" of Balkans peace within the EU. According to this iditorial (http://grayfalcon.blogspot.com/2006/07/whose-intransigence.html), Balkans peace is finally within reach, but it's being jeopardized by the regressive Serbs and the Post'sfavorite villains, the Russians.

While Kostunica has long been a favorite target of Serbophobes at home and abroad for his alleged "continuation of Milosevic's legacy" – though he's at best a waffling quisling, as opposed to an enthusiastic one – this time the Post calls both him and Tadic leaders "addicted to… poisonous nationalism." All that sycophancy has earned young Boris nothing; the Post editors end their rant by hoping that, since Serbia is a democracy, "if its leaders cannot adjust, its people will eventually choose better leaders.":rolleyes:

Or should they just save the Post some trouble and elect a new people (http://www.socialistunitynetwork.co.uk/Myths/brecht.htm), instead? :tape:

Submit or Perish!

Morton Abramowitz, founder of the interventionist International Crisis Group and onetime KLA adviser, wrote a commentary in similar tones with the ICG vice-president Mark Schneider; it appeared in the July 25 edition (http://www.tcf.org/list.asp?type=NC&pubid=1361) of the Wall Street Journal.

"Serbia can choose the past or the future. It can't have both," Abramowitz and Schneider say. "Kostunica is carrying the late Slobodan Milosevic's message that Kosovo must remain a subordinate province of Serbia. But Milosevic is dead, the clock will not be turned back to 1999, and Serbia will have to accept an international consensus on Kosovo's final status."

So far, that's pretty straightforward, ICG-ean drivel. But Abramowitz and Schneider for some unfathomable reason choose to "bolster" their "argument' with claims so false and so outrageous, they rank on par with Iraqi WMD and Niger yellowcake. For example, they say the Kosovo Albanians ("Kosovars" in their partisan parlance) "met enough of the standards to get UN Security Council endorsement of final status negotiations." The UN envoy who green-lighted (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4319566.stm) the talks last year did so only torturously disguising the complete failure of the Albanians to meet even a single UN standard by saying that "standard implementation has been uneven."

Abramowitz and Schneider then trot out the old ICG/Albanian canards about Belgrade sponsoring "parallel institutions" in the north of Kosovo, forcing Kosovo Serbs to boycott the Albanian government, and even setting up paramilitary forces and clandestine police, contrary to UNSCR 1244. This is all abject nonsense, but that's never stopped the ICG before. On July 28, the Group published a report advocating (http://www.crisisgroup.org/home/index.cfm?id=4290&l=1) "an army for Kosovo" – presumably the KLA.

Kingdom of Heaven

One Turkish analyst commented (http://www.axisglobe.com/article.asp?article=1000) on the Kosovo talks by invoking a parallel with "Lazar's choice." According to an old Serbian epic, the last medieval ruler of Serbia was given a choice by the Prophet Elijah; if he chose the kingdom of earth, the invading Turks would be defeated, but his kingdom would eventually perish, as all things earthly do. Were his choice the kingdom of heaven, the price would be the sacrifice of his own life, and his knights, but the reward would be a place in heaven for the Serbs.

No doubt the legend was construed in the long, dark centuries of Ottoman occupation, when the surviving Serbs struggled to preserve their identity and faith and attribute meaning to their suffering following the defeat in 1389. The legend explains why Serbs regard Kosovo as their spiritual heartland, their Jerusalem. And much as Saladin of in Ridley Scott's cinematic epic (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0320661/) said of Jerusalem, Kosovo is worth "nothing… everything."

Where the analyst went wrong, however, is in drawing an analogy between Lazar's choice and the options offered to Serbia today. Empire's "offer" of possible membership in NATO and the EU in exchange for giving up Kosovo is decisively earthly: accept our imposition and you may be allowed to serve, along with some more table scraps and perhaps fewer beatings. The alternative – rejecting force that presents itself as law, placing one's faith in a higher morality than one formulated by bombs and CNN, insisting on one's inalienable rights of life, liberty, and property against those who callously disrespect them – has much more in common with those who believe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_Creed) in the "communion of saints, the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come."

©@®eLess
Aug 2nd, 2006, 04:48 PM
This is just sad. In America or any other country other ethnci people go to American schoold. During communism Albanians had their schools and unis at Serbian territory. I just came back from London where i went into Serbian embassy to ask for few legal things, and there were like 25 Albanians from Kosovo-none of them wanted to speak Serbian...and all behaved badly to the embassy stuff, throwing their papers and passports... For a minute i felt like a stranger in my own embassy. They first started the attacks...Milosevis was way over the limit...but every country has it's right to defend it's own territory...like Israel....Noone is complaining about them, but when it comes to Serbian territory world doesn't care. It's our holy ground-albanians keep destroying monastriers from 13th and 14th century-just because they are serbian. Noone has a right to do that. I hate Milosevic, but it's not only his guilt. All formeYU president were under invasatigation of Hague tribunal. They were all guilty. The presiden and primeminister of Kosovo did the killing with their own hands, the were part of military UCK-that went around Kosovo killing non-Albanians. And when it come to that world shows a blind eye!

I know that Kosovo will probably get independence, but when it comes to that i would make a wall around border with Kosovo-so none of them can get any more part of Serbian land. They are like parasites expanding everywhere. In few years time-they'll take half of Macedonia, northern Greece, southern Italy, and Montenegro. Make a wall-let others have worries. They have their own country-Albania-if they are not happy in Kosovo they can always go to their own country...

tenn_ace
Aug 2nd, 2006, 05:43 PM
of course, if someone in SPain (or any other western country) wants to be independent, they'd call him a terrorist... when it comes to small eastern european countries, same people are freedom fighters and the province should be indepedendent

this is totally fucking pathetic.

PS. I hope Putin stays in power for the next 20 terms and doesn't let those EU and US hypocrites to break down Russia in pieces.

Lord Nelson
Aug 2nd, 2006, 06:02 PM
This is just sad. In America or any other country other ethnci people go to American schoold. During communism Albanians had their schools and unis at Serbian territory. I just came back from London where i went into Serbian embassy to ask for few legal things, and there were like 25 Albanians from Kosovo-none of them wanted to speak Serbian...and all behaved badly to the embassy stuff, throwing their papers and passports... For a minute i felt like a stranger in my own embassy. They first started the attacks...Milosevis was way over the limit...but every country has it's right to defend it's own territory...like Israel....Noone is complaining about them, but when it comes to Serbian territory world doesn't care. It's our holy ground-albanians keep destroying monastriers from 13th and 14th century-just because they are serbian. Noone has a right to do that. I hate Milosevic, but it's not only his guilt. All formeYU president were under invasatigation of Hague tribunal. They were all guilty. The presiden and primeminister of Kosovo did the killing with their own hands, the were part of military UCK-that went around Kosovo killing non-Albanians. And when it come to that world shows a blind eye!

I know that Kosovo will probably get independence, but when it comes to that i would make a wall around border with Kosovo-so none of them can get any more part of Serbian land. They are like parasites expanding everywhere. In few years time-they'll take half of Macedonia, northern Greece, southern Italy, and Montenegro. Make a wall-let others have worries. They have their own country-Albania-if they are not happy in Kosovo they can always go to their own country...
Cheer up I heard that 30% of Albanians are Christians like the national hero of Albania Skanderberg. They have closer values to europe then their Muslim brethenwho seem to have closer ties tro arba regions.
I feel that serbia will manage to keep at least the northern part of Kosovo which is inhabitated by Serbs so even if Kosovo will get its independance which it probably will, the Serbs will not be totla losers in this.

©@®eLess
Aug 2nd, 2006, 06:07 PM
it all just a religion war all over the world...and thats the saddest thing. It should be the last thing people should fight about

Israel-Lebanon: Jewish-Muslim
Serbia-Croatia-Bosnia: Ortodox-Catholic-Muslim
Serbia-Kosovo: Ortodox-Muslim
Russia-Checnya: Ortodox-Muslim
India-Pakistan.......

how many religious wars are there....!

Lord Nelson
Aug 2nd, 2006, 06:10 PM
it all just a religion war all over the world...and thats the saddest thing. It should be the last thing people should fight about

Israel-Lebanon: Jewish-Muslim
Serbia-Croatia-Bosnia: Ortodox-Catholic-Muslim
Serbia-Kosovo: Ortodox-Muslim
Russia-Checnya: Ortodox-Muslim
India-Pakistan.......

how many religious wars are there....!
It really is Muslim against everybody else. With Croatia and Serbia it was just a disagreement amongst brothers. The war between the 2 was brief. All the other wars you have listed is Muslim vs.......

Just Do It
Aug 2nd, 2006, 07:28 PM
I dont wanna read this... i just wanna say IS IT OKAY TO STEAL 15% OF SERBIAN TERRITORY ? I dont care who lives there cause that is Serbia!