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Kunal
Jul 31st, 2006, 09:14 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/5234142.stm (http://)

Gibson admits anti-Jewish remarks

Film-maker Mel Gibson has admitted making anti-Semitic remarks during his drink-driving arrest - but has said they do not reflect his true feelings.
"There is no excuse, nor should there be any tolerance, for anyone who thinks or expresses any kind of anti-Semitic remark," he said in a statement.

"Please know from my heart I am not an anti-Semite. I am not a bigot. Hatred of any kind goes against my faith."

The 50-year-old issued an apology to "everyone in the Jewish community".

He also asked to meet Jewish leaders in order to have "a one-on-one discussion to discern the appropriate path for healing".

The Oscar-winning director was stopped early on Friday after driving at 87mph in a 45mph zone in Malibu, California.

During his arrest on suspicion of driving under the influence, he made what he has described as "vitriolic and harmful" statements to officer James Mee.

"I am in the process of understanding where those vicious words came from during that drunken display," he said.

He conceded that he had offended the Jewish community and asked them to help him on his "journey through recovery".

"I am a public person, and when I say something... my words carry weight in the public arena," he said.

"I must assume personal responsibility for my words and apologise directly to those who have been hurt and offended."

Widespread criticism

Mr Gibson repeated an earlier statement given by his publicist Alan Nierob saying he had begun "an ongoing programme of recovery".

"What I am now realising is that I cannot do it alone."

Reports of his anti-Semitic remarks have provoked widespread criticism and a Holocaust mini-series his production company Icon was developing with the ABC TV network has been cancelled.

But an ABC spokesman declined to discuss whether the decision was related to the film-maker's arrest or comments.

In an earlier statement, Mr Gibson put his "belligerent" behaviour down to a "horrific relapse" in his battle with alcoholism.

Influential talent agent Ari Emanuel has called for the movie community to boycott his future projects.

"At a time of escalating tensions in the world, the entertainment industry cannot idly stand by and allow Mel Gibson to get away with such tragically inflammatory statements," he wrote on the Huffington Post weblog.

The star of the Mad Max and Lethal Weapon films won a best director Oscar for his 1995 film Braveheart, in which he also starred.

His new film Apocalypto is due to be released in the US on 8 December.

Philbo
Jul 31st, 2006, 09:48 AM
He really is a piece of shit.

fifiricci
Jul 31st, 2006, 10:09 AM
Gosh, not only is he a middle aged drunken prat, he could be deported back to Aus now for bieng "un-American" (whatever that is). I mean, we have to assume that Mr Gibson doesn't support Israeli policy and actions in the Middle East this week, which must give credence to his view that Jews are responsible for "starting all the wars". He's even coming across as a Hezbollah sympathiser :D.

These comments have probably been concocted by the media, but oh boy if they're true - what timing!! :lol:

Kunal
Jul 31st, 2006, 10:14 AM
i mean there are only so many liberties that media can take while concocting stories....they need to have at least a semblance of proof before they can claim something so serious.....i think there might be soemthing to this

Kunal
Jul 31st, 2006, 10:32 AM
some other report i picked up...not as proffessional but entertaining.

Mel Gibson was arrested on suspicion of DUI yesterday and apparently during his arrest he went batshit and started yelling religious epithets. The L.A. Sheriff's office has also been trying to cover this part of the arrest up. TMZ has a copy of the police report which states that Mel was swearing like a mad man. Here's some lovely things he reportedly said:


"My life is fucked"
"You motherfucker! I'm going to fuck you!"
"Fucking Jews! The Jews are responsible for all the Wars in the World. Are you a Jew?"

Officers at the scene and at the station say that Mel kept screaming about Jews and how he was going to fuck all of the officers.

Finally the truth comes out! Mel likes to fuck men and has been hiding it all these years. A little bit of the sauce brought out who he really is.

Seriously, I hope he suffers dearly for this shit. There are tons of top Jews in Hollywood that I'm sure aren't too happy about this.

Pheobo
Jul 31st, 2006, 11:47 AM
Jews are the people who give him his fucking jobs, unless he's off making ridiculous movies on his own.

Halardfan
Jul 31st, 2006, 11:56 AM
Gibson is a idiot of vast proportions and ultra conservative...like many conservatives his talk about morality doesn't seem to extend to his own behaviour.

ceiling_fan
Jul 31st, 2006, 12:13 PM
did anyone think the Passion of the Christ was anti-semitic?

Anyway, i'm disappointed in what i thought was a mature and sensible actor from hometown NZ...

Wigglytuff
Jul 31st, 2006, 12:20 PM
did anyone think the Passion of the Christ was anti-semitic?

Anyway, i'm disappointed in what i thought was a mature and sensible actor from hometown NZ...
i dont know how much people know or care about passion plays and movies. buts its utterly impossible to do a passion play (which is in effect what this was, though in movie form) that is not anti-semitic. further, passion plays are also full of hate in other ways and serve to scare people into believing, which IMO is counter productive.

wta_zuperfann
Jul 31st, 2006, 01:00 PM
Mel Gibson = Republican.

That explains it all.

Kunal
Jul 31st, 2006, 02:02 PM
maaan.....i actually dont mind him as an actor....but his personality is getting streamlined like arnolds


sucks

Graphix
Jul 31st, 2006, 02:36 PM
Playing on Mel's ipod tonight:

Wasted away again in Margaritaville

meyerpl
Jul 31st, 2006, 02:41 PM
So everyone believes this police officer. Something tells me that he is making this up because he is a leftist extremist like you people. ;)
If the officer made it it all up, what do you suppose Gibson was referring to when he aplogized for making "despicable" statements and "disgracing himself" and his family?

"Sluggy"
Jul 31st, 2006, 02:43 PM
this is wonderful... we got a real jew-hater here, I can only imagine if this is true, what he thinks of asians, arabs and the rest of us. ah ha! fucking dumbass. It's nice to know there are assholes like that out there, ah ha, keep it up fella, your shining with the pride of humanity!!!!!!!!!!!!! and what's with the sexist stuff? gotta lotta nerve, having come out of a vagina, only to disrespect them all 50 years later. And claims to love his wife, ah ha! No jewish girls for you mel! leaves more Jeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwish girls for the likes of SlugMiser!

Veritas
Jul 31st, 2006, 02:51 PM
Shame. I enjoyed Mel in that movie "The Year of Living Dangerously" - he really had talent worthy of many Oscars. But let's face it: this guy is ULTRA Conservative and therefore ULTRA mad. It's nice being an avid supporter of a religious faith, but not to a point where you act in a way that'll involve Entertainment Tonight :tape:

"Sluggy"
Jul 31st, 2006, 02:54 PM
But let's face it: this guy is ULTRA Conservative and therefore ULTRA mad.

I got news for ya, ultra-liberals are just as mad, usually more bigoted and stupid.

kabuki
Jul 31st, 2006, 02:59 PM
It's always nice when people get their just desserts.

Veritas
Jul 31st, 2006, 03:01 PM
I got news for ya, ultra-liberals are just as mad, usually more bigoted and stupid.

Well, I never denied (or confirmed) that, so I don't see what's the "news" part of it...

Lord Nelson
Jul 31st, 2006, 03:16 PM
Shame. I enjoyed Mel in that movie "The Year of Living Dangerously" - he really had talent worthy of many Oscars. But let's face it: this guy is ULTRA Conservative and therefore ULTRA mad. It's nice being an avid supporter of a religious faith, but not to a point where you act in a way that'll involve Entertainment Tonight :tape:
Mel is conservative but is no ultra conservative. As for drinking under the iunfluence, countless other people have done that. The profanity thing is suspicious. The report states that no such thing wa said it was only later on that the officer alleges that Mel said anti Jewish stuff. This looks suspicious and I tend to beleieve that the officer is making this up maybe because Mel is a celebrity. Look at what happened to Colkin Farrell recently on the Jay Leno Show.

Veritas
Jul 31st, 2006, 03:30 PM
Mel is conservative but is no ultra conservative. As for drinking under the iunfluence, countless other people have done that.

Of course, but that doesn't make what (allegedly) happened any more right.

Look at what happened to Colkin Farrell recently on the Jay Leno Show.

What happened? :confused:

thrust
Jul 31st, 2006, 04:23 PM
Mel Gibson is an actor-director, who cares what he thinks about anything? The same is true of any actor as they have no power to influence government policy concerning race or religious matters. If Mel is anti Jewish and DID make those anti Jewish remarks that is his problem as they are stupid and evil. The real crime here is that he was driving drunk and could have killed innocent people. Whatever he, or other actors thinks of others is not really important. The press is making a bid deal of this because he is politically conservative, which is not cool in Hollywood. I am sure Mel would not be the only actor in Hollywood, liberal or conservative, who is anti Jewish.

Kart
Jul 31st, 2006, 04:39 PM
Gibson said he has "battled with the disease of alcoholism for all of my adult life and profoundly regret my horrific relapse," adding that he has "already taken necessary steps to ensure my return to health."

How original, Mel.

I must have been asleep when Mel Gibson made the transition from movie eye candy to serious director with an opinion worth caring about.

Oh no wait, he hasn't made that transition yet :zzz:.

roarke
Jul 31st, 2006, 05:40 PM
Wow, so much sentiment/outcry because of "alleged comments" made about Jews. Where is the outcry/sentiment when other groups are disparaged?

griffin
Jul 31st, 2006, 05:53 PM
Wow, so much sentiment/outcry because of "alleged comments" made about Jews. Where is the outcry/sentiment when other groups are disparaged?

When made by a celebrity or other public figure?

All over the news.

tterb
Jul 31st, 2006, 06:36 PM
So everyone believes this police officer. Something tells me that he is making this up because he is a leftist extremist like you people.
Sort of similar to the way you probably believed G.W. about WMD's in Iraq, no? :angel:

Lord Nelson
Jul 31st, 2006, 07:04 PM
Since when are U.S. Christian conservatives anti Jewish. If Mel is conservative then he is pro Jewish. Look at the Bush administration supporting Israel. Anyone in the Arab world will laugh if someone says that Bush is anti semitic. Only some people said Gibson is anti Jewish for absolutely no valid reason because some Jewish priest are not well portayed in his movie. :rolleyes:

Martian KC
Jul 31st, 2006, 07:19 PM
Since when are U.S. Christian conservatives anti Jewish. If Mel is conservative then he is pro Jewish. Look at the Bush administration supporting Israel. Anyone in the Arab world will laugh if someone says that Bush is anti semitic. Only some people said Gibson is anti Jewish for absolutely no valid reason because some Jewish priest are not well portayed in his movie. :rolleyes:

Agreed. Didn't get that part.:confused:

wta_zuperfann
Jul 31st, 2006, 11:55 PM
let's face it: this guy is ULTRA Conservative and therefore ULTRA mad.

Typical Republican. And as always, one from that tribe can get away with anything.

CrossCourt~Rally
Aug 1st, 2006, 12:18 AM
I am not surprised what so eva :wavey: He has said some pretty nasty things about jews, blacks and gays in the past. :wavey: Mr Gibson.

SelesFan70
Aug 1st, 2006, 12:28 AM
Good, so he and the muslim appeasers/jew haters on here have something in common. Irony is always fun since some of them are the ones criticizing him for saying such things! :devil:

MH0861
Aug 1st, 2006, 01:03 AM
Wow, so much sentiment/outcry because of "alleged comments" made about Jews. Where is the outcry/sentiment when other groups are disparaged?

I'm positive if he made "alleged comments" against any other group, it would have gotten the same attention.

Famous celebrity + drunk driving + drunken ridiculous comments about a group = all over the news, magazines, etc.

Crazy Canuck
Aug 1st, 2006, 01:25 AM
He's even coming across as a Hezbollah sympathiser :D.



Then what's he doing out in the real world where he could be posting at WTAWorld with his like minded brothers? :angel:

Crazy Canuck
Aug 1st, 2006, 01:27 AM
I must have been asleep when Mel Gibson made the transition from movie eye candy to serious director with an opinion worth caring about.

:.

:haha:

wta_zuperfann
Aug 1st, 2006, 01:40 AM
Remember Pat Robertson's idea that a Jew can never have hope of heaven? Up to this time, right wingers have been saying that any lib who opposes Israel's imperialism is a Jew hater. Now they can readily see that it is their fellow right wingers who are the real haters.

Crazy Canuck
Aug 1st, 2006, 01:54 AM
Remember Pat Robertson's idea that a Jew can never have hope of heaven? Up to this time, right wingers have been saying that any lib who opposes Israel's imperialism is a Jew hater. Now they can readily see that it is their fellow right wingers who are the real haters.
There are both right and left wing antisemites.

The sensible among us have been aware of this for some time :p

wta_zuperfann
Aug 1st, 2006, 02:10 AM
That much is true. But imagine if those two clowns had been Democrats and how much more hostile the reich wing press would have been.

Right wingers also display all sorts of racist Islamophobia every day and nobody ever makes an issue of that. But that's another issue.

Paldias
Aug 1st, 2006, 04:09 AM
Anyone notice the position of today's Sudoku in the Globe and Mail?
(The Editor is Jewish)
and the Sudoku was right underneath the Gibson article. I thought that, that was interesting.
Despicable acts by Gibson by the way.

partbrit
Aug 1st, 2006, 04:46 AM
He is also purported to have said some vile sexist things to one of the officers, but that doesn't appear to be troubling people. The silence about that bothers me as much as anything supposedly said.

slk45
Aug 1st, 2006, 06:09 AM
i mean there are only so many liberties that media can take while concocting stories....they need to have at least a semblance of proof before they can claim something so serious.....i think there might be soemthing to this
Where did you ever get that idea? The Hollywood haters have been especially after him ever since his success with Passion of the Christ. The hysteria generated prior to the release of that movie is just a small indicator of the venom in Hollywood and the media. About big media credibility in general and its utter disdain of any need for evidence, two words: Dan Rather.

Kunal
Aug 1st, 2006, 07:50 AM
i dunno bout tat.....its like pullin a fast one under the radar of millions of people

u cant just say he said such comments without any evidence whatsoever

RVD
Aug 1st, 2006, 08:16 AM
I will reserve my opinion until after someone makes a movie about all this. :haha:

fifiricci
Aug 1st, 2006, 08:52 AM
Since when are U.S. Christian conservatives anti Jewish. If Mel is conservative then he is pro Jewish. Look at the Bush administration supporting Israel. Anyone in the Arab world will laugh if someone says that Bush is anti semitic. Only some people said Gibson is anti Jewish for absolutely no valid reason because some Jewish priest are not well portayed in his movie. :rolleyes:

You need to improve your research. Let me help you. Here's an extract from an article published in the Independent in the UK today:

"We can now expect a lot of old questions to come back to haunt Mel Gibson: whether his traditionalist branch of the Catholic Church holds the Jews responsible for for Christ's death and whether he is not altogether too close to his eccentric father, Hutton Gibson, who has explicitly denied the Holocaust and denounced the reformist wing of the mainstream Catholic Church as "a Masonic plot backed by Jews".

I daresay that Mel's views and those of his good old dad are far too moderate for you, but admit it, they must give even you food for thought (if you have sufficient unwashed brain cells). Go on, try it, you might like it!!

Sorry I can't source this article - its not on the Independent website yet.

Go on, be brave, try some two dimensional thinking just for once in your life. :devil:

Kunal
Aug 1st, 2006, 10:24 AM
a more raw and funnier version of the account.....

Passion of the Twelve Steps

Mel Gibson has checked himself into rehab confirms his spokeswhore. This is following Mel's very public tirade after being arrested for driving drunk.


Gibson's rep, Alan Neirob, exclusively tells Star, "He is in a program of recovery at this time."

Chris Prentiss, a neighbor of Gibson's and the co-founder of celebrity treatment centre Passages in Malibu, Calif., tells Star: "I understand he has gone to a treatment centre. The center that I've heard he's checked himself into follows the Alcoholics Anonymous 12-step program. And I don't believe that will help him."

Prentiss -- who refused to name the rehab center he's heard Gibson is in -- adds: "He needs individual intense therapy by a team of people who know what they are looking for in causes in alcoholism."


Let's hope Mel gets help and comes out clean! Also, let's hope he gets fucked up the ass by a few hot dudes, because bitch needs it so he won't be such a grouch! You know he likes it up the heiny, I don't have to tell you that.

Lord Nelson
Aug 1st, 2006, 01:37 PM
You need to improve your research. Let me help you. Here's an extract from an article published in the Independent in the UK today:

"We can now expect a lot of old questions to come back to haunt Mel Gibson: whether his traditionalist branch of the Catholic Church holds the Jews responsible for for Christ's death and whether he is not altogether too close to his eccentric father, Hutton Gibson, who has explicitly denied the Holocaust and denounced the reformist wing of the mainstream Catholic Church as "a Masonic plot backed by Jews".

I daresay that Mel's views and those of his good old dad are far too moderate for you, but admit it, they must give even you food for thought (if you have sufficient unwashed brain cells). Go on, try it, you might like it!!

Sorry I can't source this article - its not on the Independent website yet.

Go on, be brave, try some two dimensional thinking just for once in your life. :devil:
Well there were Jews who were responsible for Christ's dead. But of course this does not mean all Jews. Why are Mel's views moderate (or extremist) compared to mine. Do you know what my views are? I don't think so. I am pro Jewish. The culture of Jews are very similar to that of Christians. Many conservative Christians respect Jewish cullture. Some of you may say oh yeah then what about Hitler. well Hitler was not a conservative Christian he was a Nationalist socialist. He had Roman Catholic clergy killed and the Weimar Republic which was dominated by Conservatives to be toppled. He also was an opponent of the German monarchy and its last Kaiser.

Franco on the other hand was a Christian conservative and no he was no facist as some sources have said. But that is another story. I don't have the same views on life as my father does and you may have different views ass your father does. Tariq Ramadan a famous Muslim Scholar from Switzerland says he has different views then his brother who is more extremist. So Mel can have different views then his father.

Any more words of wisdom for me. By the way I will send you a pm sometime. I lied to you on something. It has to do with one of your 'friends' from this forum

samsung101
Aug 1st, 2006, 04:02 PM
If Mel said what he is alleged to have said, we shouldn't
forget he was stone cold drunk, on tequilla in a paper
bag in the front seat of his Benz. The man is an alcoholic.

I'm glad he didn't hurt anyone else on the road, and glad
the cop stopped him, and arrested him. He could have
killed someone.



His movie career is never going to be the same because
he is being tossed aside, bashed, and critiqued as if he
were a saint fallen. He said he was a boozer all along, just
one that was over his worst times. He lied about that.

Shouldn't his body of work and entire life count for
something at this time? Guess not, not if you're
Mel Gibson nice guy turned serious director turned
drunk arrested anti-Semitic alcoholic.



To hear Barbara Walters say she'll never see a Gibson
movie again is typical. Considering some of the losers
she's had on her shows, that's amazing. You can be
convicted of rape, and still work in Hollywood a la Polanski,
marry your stepdaughter and still work in Hollywood - Woody Allen,be arrested for drugs over & over and work in Hollywooda la Robert Downey Jr., say white-black couples sicken you and you stare them down a la Spike Lee, and that's okay. Heck, you can kill a woman and be a US Senator for 50 years a la Teddy Kennedy. His son hit an airport worker on tape, and then rammed a Congressional
security post, while under the influence of something, and
that's fine too.

There's video and tape. Should we see it? I think the FOIA
will mandate it.


But, I'm a little surprised people are jumping all over what
he said, more than what he did. The guy was drunk. Wasted
out of his mind. How many people want to be judged by
what they did or said when they were stoned on pot, drugs,
tequilla, or a case of Corona. Not many. People do stupid
things, become angry drunks, fool around, crash when they're drunk. The officer even said on tv last night he
didn't take what Gibson said seriously, it was the booze
talking, he's arrested lots of people who say things they
normally never would.

Shouldn't we be more concerned the man was driving
drunk and the police tried to cover it up, again, and
he obviously thought that would happen all the time.

I'm sure his problems were an open secret in Hollywood,
almost everything there is.

Mel deserves the same punishment anyone else would
get for what he did in California. I'm sure he'll throw
himself on the mercy of the court and take what they
give him.

I also hope, he distances himself in some way from the
Catholic sect his father belongs to, and that he has
helped raise funds for, and built a chapel on his property
for. The guy cannot continue to associate with that, and
hope to clear his name and image, not the way he's
damaged it in one night.

A few hours may have killed his professional life. He'll
find out who his friends are I guess.

samsung101
Aug 1st, 2006, 04:04 PM
He did become a huge grouch in the past few years didn't he?

He went from Most Beautiful Man Alive, happy go lucky, cute
Mel, to bearded, grumpy, serious, smoking, losing hair on top
Mel. Now, we can probably assume he was back on the bottle
big time during that period. He's a cranky, grumpy, mean
alcoholic.

Black Mamba.
Aug 1st, 2006, 04:06 PM
His career will be fine. I bet in a few weeks no one will even remember what happened.

Strangelove
Aug 1st, 2006, 04:55 PM
His career will be fine. I bet in a few weeks no one will even remember what happened.Don't know if this was already mentioned, but. Apparently his mini-series at ABC about the Holocaust(!) is cancelled. Or so I've heard anyway.

So he's not coming out of this completely unscathed. Career-wise.

samsung101
Aug 1st, 2006, 05:32 PM
No, he'll be hurt by this forever in Hollywood.

He had not started the mini-series yet, after
2 years. So, ABC had an out there. Evidently,
had not come up w/ a script yet. Working to
finish up his film first.

How it will handle his movie in December is the
big thing. How does Disney deal w/Mel to promote
the film, can he, will he? Will it be stalled? Will
Disney wait and see, or dump it. ABC is Disney,
look what they did w/the mini-series.

Is it a good thing they cancelled it? Mel was
working on this based on a book largely
applauded by Jewish groups. Maybe he
knew he had a problem and was trying to
deal with it. I don't know. Who benefits
from ABC not making a show on the Holocaust
in these times we live in?

Gibson has apologized again today.

The ADL is calling for hate crime investigation.

Do we judge Mel (or anyone else) by what they
say sober or what they say drunk?

He shouldn't get a pass. He deserves the
negative publicity, the bashing, the attacks.

But, that shouldn't wipe out his body of work
as a person or actor. He's done a lot of good,
and that should count for something. The man
was drunk, and he said ugly things. If he said
them sober, I'd be more concerned about that.
Pile on time.

Being a raging drunk is the problem, and he
better take care of it. Thank his stars he did
not kill anyone on the road too.

fifiricci
Aug 1st, 2006, 06:25 PM
By the way I will send you a pm sometime. I lied to you on something. It has to do with one of your 'friends' from this forum

That wouldn't be my great friend "BOB" you're referring to, would it? :scared:

Black Mamba.
Aug 1st, 2006, 06:49 PM
I think folks are more honest when they're drunk.

meyerpl
Aug 1st, 2006, 06:54 PM
He did become a huge grouch in the past few years didn't he?

He went from Most Beautiful Man Alive, happy go lucky, cute
Mel, to bearded, grumpy, serious, smoking, losing hair on top
Mel. Now, we can probably assume he was back on the bottle
big time during that period. He's a cranky, grumpy, mean
alcoholic.
Or, as I like to call it, aging gracefully.

meyerpl
Aug 1st, 2006, 06:55 PM
I think folks are more honest when they're drunk.
You are absolutely correct. Alcohol doesn't put ideas into your head, it lets them out of your mouth.

Black Mamba.
Aug 1st, 2006, 06:59 PM
You are absolutely correct. Alcohol doesn't put ideas into your head, it lets them out of your mouth.



When my friends get drunk I don't stick around because things are said that they would never say if they were sober. IMO blaming derogatory words on alcohol is a cop out.

griffin
Aug 1st, 2006, 07:00 PM
I don't think people are more "honest" when drunk so much as they lose their inhibitions and better judgment, let some of their little demons out. I don't REALLY think my neighbors should be publicly horse-whipped for playing soccer in their yard at 3 AM. My logical mind knows that this is an over-reaction, and that violence isn't an answer and I would certainly never take steps to make that happen. But get a few drinks in me, and my illogical mind may decide to have a good rant and suggest just that. That doesn't mean I'm being dishonest when say the way to deal with them is to either ask them to stop or call the cops and have them TELL the jerks to stop.

That said, I've never gotten drunk and said something like "I believe George Bush is a good president"

Black Mamba.
Aug 1st, 2006, 07:09 PM
I don't think people are more "honest" when drunk so much as they lose their inhibitions and better judgment, let some of their little demons out. I don't REALLY think my neighbors should be publicly horse-whipped for playing soccer in their yard at 3 AM. My logical mind knows that this is an over-reaction, and that violence isn't an answer and I would certainly never take steps to make that happen. But get a few drinks in me, and my illogical mind may decide to have a good rant and suggest just that. That doesn't mean I'm being dishonest when say the way to deal with them is to either ask them to stop or call the cops and have them TELL the jerks to stop.

That said, I've never gotten drunk and said something like "I believe George Bush is a good president"


Alcohol loosens us up and as you said we say or do things we wouldn't normally do if sober. However, when we're sober we often times don't allow ourselves to tell certain people how we really feel about them or certain situations because we know that it probably do more harm than good. After we get a too many beers or other adult beverage in us, many of us lose the restraint that keeps us from doing or saying things we know aren't good.

fifiricci
Aug 1st, 2006, 07:15 PM
I do know from experience that after a lot of drinks the people you are with appear much more intelligent, entertaining and attractive than they actually are, but I suspect that even after consuming vatloads of alcohol I would no longer find Mel Gibson such, if he were in my company ;)

Oh and I hear that Mightymouth Mel has apologised a second time, issuing a statement that takes grovelling to new depths! :devil:

Look at this:



"There is no excuse, nor should there be any tolerance, for anyone who thinks or expresses any kind of anti-Semitic remark," he said in a statement.

"Please know from my heart I am not an anti-Semite. I am not a bigot. Hatred of any kind goes against my faith."

The 50-year-old issued an apology to "everyone in the Jewish community". He also asked to meet Jewish leaders in order to have "a one-on-one discussion to discern the appropriate path for healing".

I'm dying to hear what "appropriate path for healing" the Jewish leaders will come up with. :lol:

meyerpl
Aug 1st, 2006, 07:21 PM
Alcohol won't cause people to do or say things they don't want to do or say.

Natarajasana
Aug 1st, 2006, 07:53 PM
I read that he called a female cop "Sugar Tits" :rolleyes:
When first viewing lovely Mel's most recent photos - I honestly thought it was Saddam Hussein :unsure:

Wigglytuff
Aug 1st, 2006, 08:14 PM
Alcohol won't cause people to do or say things they don't want to do or say.
yep!

Helen Lawson
Aug 1st, 2006, 10:10 PM
People say all kinds of shit when they're drunk, who cares.

JustineTime
Aug 1st, 2006, 10:16 PM
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/melgibsonislamcartoon.jpg

jenny161185
Aug 1st, 2006, 10:16 PM
Lol helen thats what I was going to say!

lakeway11
Aug 1st, 2006, 10:19 PM
Gibson's 'Crime' - Not Supporting Jews Unconditionally
By Mark Green
markgreen@flashpoint-tv.net
8-1-6


Does actor and director Mel Gibson deserve a Hollywood-style blacklisting because of "anti-Semitic comments" he made to a cop during a hum-drum DUI arrest? The simple answer is this: No. Never. Not even close.

In fact, though Gibson should certainly be rebuked for his threats to an arresting officer, emotional outburst, and the idiotic timing of his political remarks, he should be respected for his bold conclusions.

As for his sin of drunkenness, Gibson's measured alcohol level of .12 amounts to about three drinks. That's pretty modest considering it was going on 3 am. On any given weekend night, Gibson was probably less intoxicated than about than a third of drivers who manage to make it home without incident. In most states he probably wouldn't have even been arrested, since .10 blood alcohol level is the historic norm for determining intoxication. As for his political comments, now it gets complicated. And revealing.

No question about it, Mel's in hot water. But it's primarily with the T hought Police in American media and their cronies in Culture Control. Don't expect Oscar-winner Gibson to emerge months from now as if nothing happened. This isn't a mere drug bust, assault charge, or even a comment disparaging of the Pope or motherhood. Mel Gibson has gone way over the top: he's offended international Jewry.

Just what was his most "disgraceful" remark?--that "the Jews are responsible for all the world's wars"? Oh my! Never! No truth there! Here's another unforgivable line (to the arresting officer): "Are you a Jew"? How rude! Criminal! Just thinking about it makes me tremble.

Now it's well known that some elements within organized Jewry tried to destroy Gibson for producing "The Passion of Christ", so his paranoia over Jewish interference in his affairs is not without warrant. But suppose Gibson's remarks were simply: "The Jews find themselves enmeshed in so many of the worlds' wars... how interesting." And suppose he merely asked the arresting cop, "are you Jewish?". What then? The headline fodder would likely be gone. At that point, the whole incident would properly be nothin more than a curious 'So What?'. But instead, Gibson foolishly showed his hand.

By contrast, suppose we change Gibson's 'bigoted" remarks from "F**king Jews" to "F**king Christian Fundamentalists". Would anyone even notice? Certainly, there would be no Hollywood hysteria over the comment. In fact, he'd more likely be the toast of the town, possibly feted with a Free Speech Award from the ACLU.

But as every public figure knows, offending Jews is not the same thing as offending Christians. No sireee.

Indeed, the gatekeepers who manufacture and regulate public anxiety want desperately to keep the heat on Mel. Why? They know that Mel's not on their side. Indeed, Gibson certainly understands--and probably disdains--international Jewry for their political project know as the State of Israel. Thus, the real issue isn't Gibson's alleged "bigotry", but duplicitous and lethal conduct of the Jewish State.

The big story here is the perverse double standard concerning religion and ethnicity that we Americans continuously endure. For instance, if an African-American indelicately generalizes about how "f**cking whites enslaved blacks" am I going to get huffy over it? Nope. Will complaints follow, charges be filed? Not on your life. Truth--even a kernel of truth--makes for a valid argument. Let the debate begin! Americans of European descent accept their exceptional and imperfect role in world history, including the institution of slavery (which they abolished).

For matters "of concern to the Jewish community" however, the opposite is true. Untoward generalizations at any time are simply unacceptable. Never, never, never. And the American government's unwavering commitment to the Jewish State reflects this unrelenting obligation.

As for Gibson's political comments, are we supposed to believe that organized Jewry isn't deeply involved in orchestrating wars in Iraq, Palestine, Afghanistan and Lebanon? Don't be silly. Now the case can be argued many ways, but no one can dispute the fact that this glorious tribe of geniuses, victims and survivors--many of whom operate at the highest levels in Washington, Hollywood, New York and Tel Aviv--regularly finds itself in the middle of political meltdowns. And as the bodies accumulate in Iraq, Lebanon and Gaza, those on the front lines whose villages are now barren fields surely know who's responsible. That's the main subtext in the overblown Gibson Affair. Only it's not coming soon to a movie theater near you.

But let's agree on this: Gibson does owe an apology, but it's to the arresting officer, who he threatened for arresting him. Problem is, Hollywood wants Gibson's head for defying their greatest taboo, namely, criticizing the Chosen People. This is Kosher McCarthyism, plain and simple.

And it's particularly ironic coming from Tinsel Town with its levels of drug addiction, infidelity, billion-dollar porn-casting and open-faced warmongering.

No, the Arab world doesn't hate us for our freedoms. They hate us for our vices and hypocrisy.

So please don't write off (or shun) Mel Gibson. He should certainly be forgiven. Indeed, one can be a fine person, even if one dislikes Jewish behavior and politics. How is that? Hatred is a burden. No one wants to hate. And Gibson I bet would rather love than (secretly) dislike some of his Jewish colleagues in Hollywood. Yet he's probably found himself disliking many Jews, possibly because of their attitudes and actions which are connected to their sense of superiority associated with being Jewish. It's an unpleasant but rational decision. But one needn't hate all Jews because of the actions of some individuals and Zionist Jews in particular.

And this distinction surely needs to be made. Similarly, Jews shouldn't necessarily hate their harshest critics. A war of words needn't bring about bloodshed. But the political and cultural power held by Jews makes them an omnipresent force which affects us all. Often very negatively. The expanding (and perpetual) Mideast wars are just one example of their extraordinary power.

If and when world Jewry changes its oppressive, duplicitous ways, one should forgive them and make peace. I hope that happens soon. For now however, during this time of needless, aggressive wars, disdain for international Jewry is less a sign of bigotry than an indicator of political awareness.

Today, Zionism deserves to be disdained. Pundits will dismiss this as anti-Semitism. But don't be fooled. Jewish political conduct deserves reform. It's chauvinistic underpinnings are out of step with modern attitudes (and law) which advance equality and would otherwise have the U.S. behave with true impartiality in the Middle East and beyond.

Thus, the very term "anti-Semite" has become junk propaganda. It's an overreaching smear. One's character and personality shouldn't be measured against their level of devotion to things Jewish. How absurd. How narcissistically... Jewish. Yet they've hoisted this burdensome masquerade on the Christian world and many have accepted it; so much so that they're willing to launch wars for Israel. Mel Gibson surely understand this, and considers it wrong.

There are many unethical people who do terrible things each and every day. If it turns out that they absolutely and uncritically LOVE Israel and the Jews, does this make them virtuous? George W. Bush apparently thinks so.

Why then should otherwise ethical people be judged negatively if they consider collective Jewish actions deplorable? This is the absurd choice imposed on us by defenders of organized Jewry. Many of us understand that a lot of today's Jewish leaders act as foreign agents, representing the interests of an ethnostate, headquartered in Tel Aviv, and whose grasping, aggressive tentacles penetrate nearly every nation on earth.

The global, Zionist movement undermines national sovereignty world-wide and threatens freedom-loving people everywhere. To discourage any whistleblowers, Jews propagandize every corner of the globe with Holocaust lore and then tar their political opponents as "Nazis" or "anti-Semites". They also work tirelessly to censor their political opponents. These anti-democratic tactics deserve to be tossed in the trash bin of Orwellian mind control.

At this moment in history, world Jewry is delibarately doing damage to America, Iraq, Palestine, Afghanistan and many other countries as they militantly advance Israeli interests over all others. Many people are suffering greatly, enduring constant fear, and/or being killed. This is wrong.

If this makes me an anti-Semite then I wear the badge proudly.


Mark Green is an independent political commentator, former TV talk show host and co-founder of MarWenMedia.com (http://www.marwenmedia.com)

griffin
Aug 1st, 2006, 10:26 PM
Not to mention the "paranoid fruitcake" badge.

JustineTime
Aug 1st, 2006, 10:38 PM
:scratch: What chapter of Mein Kampf was that? :confused:

Infiniti2001
Aug 1st, 2006, 10:42 PM
http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/3826/mel0lf0.jpg
:lol: Meanwhile, I've never digged Mel Gibson, but enough is enough.People say shit when they are drunk, deal with it-- Heck , drunk drivers are not given this treatment after they kill innocent people :rolleyes:

Veritas
Aug 1st, 2006, 10:43 PM
People say all kinds of shit when they're drunk, who cares.

It's just that the kind of "shit" they say happens to be the stuff they actually believe. That's why when they're sober, they're careful in how they word their opinions.

Helen Lawson
Aug 1st, 2006, 10:45 PM
It's just that the kind of "shit" they say happens to be the stuff they actually believe. That's why when they're sober, they're careful in how they word their opinions.

Come on, loads of people are anti-Semitic. I'm not saying it's something to be proud of, but it's hardly shocking.

Helen Lawson
Aug 1st, 2006, 10:47 PM
I read in a tabloid, maybe a few years ago, they had this story of this bimbo. She recounted how like in the mid-80s or so, Mel fell off the wagon with her. Basically, he was totally wild and fucked her brains out for like 3 days straight on a booze and drug binge. She said it was incredible, non-stop sex, even though he was plastered. It sounded wild. You kind of have to respect that deep down.

*JR*
Aug 1st, 2006, 10:51 PM
Come on, loads of people are anti-Semitic. I'm not saying it's something to be proud of, but it's hardly shocking.
Try to get Mad Mel's savants like JustineTime to admit that this guy is. (Of course to Christian fundamentalists like JT, Jews are only "useful" as a prerequisite for the "Second Coming").

JustineTime
Aug 1st, 2006, 10:57 PM
Try to get Mad Mel's savants like JustineTime to admit that this guy is. .

Roger , you get me wrong at just about every turn. :rolleyes: HINT: :tape: ;)

Oh well, at least you're consistent.

(Of course to Christian fundamentalists like JT, Jews are only "useful" as a prerequisite for the "Second Coming")

Case in point. :bs:

:rolleyes:

Romans 11:

1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying, 3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. 4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

:hehehe:

15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? :bounce: :woohoo: :aparty:

I know, Rog: blahblahblah

:secret: That's your main problem. :secret: ;)

*JR*
Aug 1st, 2006, 11:19 PM
Roger , you get me wrong at just about every turn. :rolleyes: HINT: :tape: ;)

Oh well, at least you're consistent....

I know, Rog: blahblahblah :yeah:

:secret: That's your main problem. :secret: ;)
Fact is that however kind and merciful the Preacher Man like you is to us non-saved in "this life", Christian fundamentalist bullshit err, theology has us told by your St. Peter someday: No room @ the inn. :)

alfonsojose
Aug 2nd, 2006, 12:36 AM
The "Passion" of Mel :drink: :shout: :tape:

Apoleb
Aug 2nd, 2006, 01:17 AM
It's funny that some people even attempt to defend this guy, and the irony is that some of those defenders are some of the staunchest supporters of Israel on this board.

His anti-Semitist rant didn't come from nowhere. Alcohol doesn't make an anti-Semite; it just makes you less conscious on what you're saying/doing. This is also the same guy that is a Christian Catholic fundamentalist, had controvorsies about anti-Semitism before, had the chance to openly condemn his father's beliefs but didn't..etc. And then he ends up ranting about Jews to a random police man, and people still want us to believe that it's nothing.

azdaja
Aug 2nd, 2006, 01:21 AM
Gibson's 'Crime' - Not Supporting Jews Unconditionally
rubbish :o

JustineTime
Aug 2nd, 2006, 02:48 AM
Fact is that however kind and merciful the Preacher Man like you is to us non-saved in "this life", Christian fundamentalist bullshit err, theology has us told by your St. Peter someday: No room @ the inn. :)

It's one thing to draw that conclusion based on scripture, Roger; I'm generally fine allowing you to wallow in your bitter disbelief. :shrug: What I take particular exception to, however, is your attribution to me of attitudes toward Jews that isn't even within shouting distance of the truth. You don't know me from, errr, Adam, so do me a favor, and stop acting like you do. :rolleyes:

thrust
Aug 2nd, 2006, 03:22 AM
jorje286- I was raised Catholic and am an avid supporter of Israel, however, I think it was unfair for his comments about Jews were made public. From what I gather, the police dept tried to cover them up but the comments were leaked to the press. The leaker probably dislikes Gibson and wanted to cause him trouble. Mel deserves to be charged and punished for drunk driving, speeding, resisting arrest, and insulting an officer. Revealing the anti Jewish remarks seems like piling on to me. While his anti Jewish comments were mean and stupid, the fact is it is not a crime to be anti Jewish, Catholic, or anyone else as long as you dont cause harm to the people you dislike. I do think politics had something to do with the release of his Jewish remarks.

Apoleb
Aug 2nd, 2006, 03:59 AM
jorje286- I was raised Catholic and am an avid supporter of Israel, however, I think it was unfair for his comments about Jews were made public. From what I gather, the police dept tried to cover them up but the comments were leaked to the press. The leaker probably dislikes Gibson and wanted to cause him trouble. Mel deserves to be charged and punished for drunk driving, speeding, resisting arrest, and insulting an officer. Revealing the anti Jewish remarks seems like piling on to me. While his anti Jewish comments were mean and stupid, the fact is it is not a crime to be anti Jewish, Catholic, or anyone else as long as you dont cause harm to the people you dislike. I do think politics had something to do with the release of his Jewish remarks.

Oh please.

The public needs to know that Mel Gibson is one hell of a bigot, with most likely a secret agenda. Doing a show on the Holocaust while he's an anti-Semite? Give me a break.

There's nothing wrong about exposing the beliefs of celebrities, so the public knows what they are dealing with. And from this moment on, I'm not going to support Mel Gibson and see any of his movies in the theatres, cause I refuse to let someone whose ideas lead to the death of 6 million people get any profit out of me.

And I'm sure you didn't really think about what you said with this: "While his anti Jewish comments were mean and stupid, the fact is it is not a crime to be anti Jewish, Catholic, or anyone else as long as you dont cause harm to the people you dislike." First of all, saying this stuff in many Western countries would lend you a hate crime. Second of all, even if what he said is not legally a crime, hell there's something wrong with it! I do not accept racism and silly prejudice in any shape or form. While I may not retrieve their right to speak their minds (even though that is in itself arguable as many Western countries enforce hate crime related to expressing your opinion), I certainly despise them.

meyerpl
Aug 2nd, 2006, 04:42 AM
jorje286- I was raised Catholic and am an avid supporter of Israel, however, I think it was unfair for his comments about Jews were made public. From what I gather, the police dept tried to cover them up but the comments were leaked to the press. The leaker probably dislikes Gibson and wanted to cause him trouble. Mel deserves to be charged and punished for drunk driving, speeding, resisting arrest, and insulting an officer. Revealing the anti Jewish remarks seems like piling on to me. While his anti Jewish comments were mean and stupid, the fact is it is not a crime to be anti Jewish, Catholic, or anyone else as long as you dont cause harm to the people you dislike. I do think politics had something to do with the release of his Jewish remarks.
Police reports are a matter of public record, available to anyone, pursuant to the Freedom of Information Act. Anytime a celebrity is arrested, the reports are going to be obtained and scrutinized by the media. Any attempt to suppress the reports is wrong, not the other way around, as you suggest. The only thing that can be "leaked" is classified information, not public records.

Kunal
Aug 2nd, 2006, 08:49 AM
this is going to really hurt his future plans in the industry

already i think abc who were planning on doing a holocaust film with mel have pulled the plug

some more have done the same.

What an idiot

Aphrodite
Aug 2nd, 2006, 08:52 AM
He can have his own opinions, I dont agree with them, but if he is saying sorry about it if he is apoligizing about it than i dont see the problem, everyone makes mistakes, I think we can forgive that. Now if he kept to his words the next day I can see some of your points but after all he is an actor not a politician. He doesnt run The USA, actually someone a lot scarier does.
Its not like any of you got drunk and made mistakes in your life, or said something that you regreted, I mean all of you on this board are just perfect, and judging someone just beacuse he is a celebrity well thats just unfair.

Kunal
Aug 2nd, 2006, 09:03 AM
He can have his own opinions, I dont agree with them, but if he is saying sorry about it if he is apoligizing about it than i dont see the problem, everyone makes mistakes, I think we can forgive that. Now if he kept to his words the next day I can see some of your points but after all he is an actor not a politician. He doesnt run The USA, actually someone a lot scarier does.
Its not like any of you got drunk and made mistakes in your life, or said something that you regreted, I mean all of you on this board are just perfect, and judging someone just beacuse he is a celebrity well thats just unfair.


he's a celeb....with that comes the weight and realization that they have to be up to the mark when it comes to behaving in the public eye.

its only natural when somebody of his stature says something like what he said people are going to be all over him.

"Sluggy"
Aug 2nd, 2006, 09:13 AM
One time I got drunk and called my GF a fat cow - cept that she wasnt fat and she only had 2 teets. Sometimes people let all thier shit go. I feel bad for Mel. I like his work and his acting, and I guess I can understand if some people believe Jews are controling the world and have a lot of power and stuff. While it is isnt true, it's understandable that with all of the misinformation out there and with the true influence some Jews have across the globe, that some people believe we are pushing all of the buttons. I'm gonna have to call my people cause i'm feeling pretty powerless today, maybe i'll feel better if i oppress some christians for a while...hehe.

Aphrodite
Aug 2nd, 2006, 09:20 AM
he's a celeb....with that comes the weight and realization that they have to be up to the mark when it comes to behaving in the public eye.

its only natural when somebody of his stature says something like what he said people are going to be all over him.
You have a good point there, its pretty stupid what he said its idiotic, I knew he was gonna get murdered by the press.
but even if he is a celebrity we must understand that celebrities are no different they are not gods, they are humans like us we make mistakes.
I guess I feel sorry for him cause now his career will be over and everyone will talk about him, and he just made a mistake. What he said was wrong but he was drunk.

Kunal
Aug 2nd, 2006, 12:37 PM
You have a good point there, its pretty stupid what he said its idiotic, I knew he was gonna get murdered by the press.
but even if he is a celebrity we must understand that celebrities are no different they are not gods, they are humans like us we make mistakes.
I guess I feel sorry for him cause now his career will be over and everyone will talk about him, and he just made a mistake. What he said was wrong but he was drunk.


i think he has enough pull in the industry to ensure that his career is not finished. having said that lot of powerful people in the industry are jewish.

yea ppl know that hes only human, but they dont factor that in when such events take place...i did not factor that in, i was like 'what a bastard'...

Kunal
Aug 2nd, 2006, 12:40 PM
jorje286- I was raised Catholic and am an avid supporter of Israel, however, I think it was unfair for his comments about Jews were made public. From what I gather, the police dept tried to cover them up but the comments were leaked to the press. The leaker probably dislikes Gibson and wanted to cause him trouble. Mel deserves to be charged and punished for drunk driving, speeding, resisting arrest, and insulting an officer. Revealing the anti Jewish remarks seems like piling on to me. While his anti Jewish comments were mean and stupid, the fact is it is not a crime to be anti Jewish, Catholic, or anyone else as long as you dont cause harm to the people you dislike. I do think politics had something to do with the release of his Jewish remarks.


i have nothing better to do right now....

was it completely leaked or i thought he owned up to it and accepted that he made the comments.

at least i give him credit for owning up to his mistakes and publicly apologizing

griffin
Aug 2nd, 2006, 03:13 PM
It's funny that some people even attempt to defend this guy, and the irony is that some of those defenders are some of the staunchest supporters of Israel on this board.

Not really - supporting Israel doesn't mean you support/like Jews or can't be anti-Semitic at some level (any more than support for Palestinians - or opposition to the Gulf War - means you like Arabs/Muslims). One can support Israel as a nation for all kinds of political purposes that have nothing to do with the religion of its citizens. And as JR already pointed out, there are fundy Christians who feel Israel's existance is necessary to bring about the second coming, and support Israel's actions for that reason.

Politics makes strange bedfellows.

"Sluggy"
Aug 2nd, 2006, 03:29 PM
jorje286- the fact is it is not a crime to be anti Jewish, Catholic, or anyone else as long as you dont cause harm to the people you dislike.

I am not sure that is true. At the very least, shouting anti-Jewish jargon is "disturbing the peace", probably a misdeamenor. It's a crime. If you are anti-Jewish but keep it to yourself, or only discuss it with fellow "clan members" nobody cares. But if you start spouting off in public, it's probably a crime.

Kunal
Aug 2nd, 2006, 03:35 PM
yea thats a fine line when one says that being anti-semetic is not criminal

lot of arguments there

Apoleb
Aug 2nd, 2006, 03:53 PM
Not really - supporting Israel doesn't mean you support/like Jews or can't be anti-Semitic at some level (any more than support for Palestinians - or opposition to the Gulf War - means you like Arabs/Muslims). One can support Israel as a nation for all kinds of political purposes that have nothing to do with the religion of its citizens. And as JR already pointed out, there are fundy Christians who feel Israel's existance is necessary to bring about the second coming, and support Israel's actions for that reason.

Politics makes strange bedfellows.

That was my point. Lots of people who support Israel do it because it's a matter of who they hate more, especially the Christian fundies.

*JR*
Aug 2nd, 2006, 05:51 PM
It's one thing to draw that conclusion based on scripture, Roger; I'm generally fine allowing you to wallow in your bitter disbelief. :shrug: What I take particular exception to, however, is your attribution to me of attitudes toward Jews that isn't even within shouting distance of the truth. You don't know me from, errr, Adam, so do me a favor, and stop acting like you do. :rolleyes:
My dear Tucker, I'm fine with you using dumbass wording like "wallow in your bitter disbelief" to describe my refusal to accept the unprovable merely on faith. And let me acknowledge that I don't know what specifically you think happens to the "non-saved" when they die, or will if "The Rapture" should occur first.

However, you have never (ova the 4 years we've debated these things online) disavowed the fundamentalist Christian position that the only* way one can enter either Heaven or the 1,000 years of "His" Kingdom on Earth that supposedly follows Armageddon is through accepting Jesus as ones "personal Lord and Savior".

*The asterisk is to allow for those who never had the chance to "know" Jesus in their earthly life. Obviously though, that wouldn't apply to just about any "non-saved" person ova the age of about 10 who uses the internet, etc. And I'm not singling out Christianity here.

I'm only an ethnic (not a religious) Jew due to the same "impossible to prove..." thing. Plus the concept of any race or religion being "the chosen ppl". Of course Jews don't seek recruits, in fact erect high hurdles to conversion. Whereas you Evangelical types see "saving souls for Christ" as virtually a moral imperative.

Lord Nelson
Aug 2nd, 2006, 07:26 PM
i think he has enough pull in the industry to ensure that his career is not finished. having said that lot of powerful people in the industry are jewish.

yea ppl know that hes only human, but they dont factor that in when such events take place...i did not factor that in, i was like 'what a bastard'...
Well Marlon Brando survived this. He called Jews kooks or something like that. His career was not hurt, he did the Superman Returns movie. :p

samsung101
Aug 2nd, 2006, 08:01 PM
Gibson was drunk as can be, have you seen those photos
of him at the restaurant w/other dinner guests. He looked
wasted. Someone should have grabed his keys from him.
The valet should have tackled him instead of letting a man
drive away so obviously plastered.

But, he said what he did, and that makes him a complete
jerk, and idiot, and moron. He deserves to be bashed by
Leno and Stewart and others, it's pile on time for a big name
Hollywood star. A star that liked to put himself above the
frey, outside the loop of Hollywood, spoke of his faith, etc.
Personally, Passion of The Christ was too bloody for me, but,
it was still very good. It was not anti-semitic in my view.
Others thought it was. Add in his fathers pronounced views
on the Holocaust and Jews, and his Catholic church sect, and
it's all very easy to think the man didn't just say what he
did by accident.

But, the piling on has been over the top. Seriously, he's an
actor. If he were head of state, a priest, a political
commentator, I'd think differently. He's an actor. It's
Mad Max. The Man Who Loves Women. It's Lethal Weapon.
He's not heading the UN or France. Where you sadly will
find a lot of anti-semitic remarks on a regular basis.

He apologized, he knows clearly he will have to pay for this
forever. He'll be answering questions on this till he dies.
His apologies seem sincere, he knows he blew it, and he
hurt people w/his words.

I'm sure he'll embark on a long rehab program for his
alcoholism, and his anti-semitic remarks. He's been invited
to speak at a temple already, and I'm sure he'll take some
groups up on that type of thing. He has to.

As for his career. In the old studio days, he'd be toast. But,
now, he is one of many who can finance his own work. He's
a moneymaker, and that's all that matters in Hollywood.
Controversy will create viewers. Liz Smith of the NY Post
even said he would likely not find his career over. Whereas
Cindy Adams says he's toats.

He's not the first guy in Hollywood to say stupid and sick
things while way over the legal limit- what was he 1.2 or
something.


Christians hate Jews, so they support Israel? Uh, okay.
Again, great level of tolerance towards anyone - except
Christians. Israel is our political and historical friend
in the region.

griffin
Aug 2nd, 2006, 08:30 PM
Christians hate Jews, so they support Israel? Uh, okay.
Again, great level of tolerance towards anyone - except
Christians. Israel is our political and historical friend
in the region.

Read first, then spew.

To summarize:
Support for Israel does not mean Love for Jews

SOME Christians support Israel not because they like Jews, but because of their beliefs about the Second Coming.

This is not saying "Christians hate Jews"

Apoleb
Aug 2nd, 2006, 09:53 PM
Who the hell cares if he's an actor or not? Any person with such beliefs should be shunned imo; especially someone like him who has involved religion in his work and the issue of anti-Semitism, as he was going to do something on the Holocaust.

And I'm not surprised that Samsung again misses the point about defense of Israel and anti-Semtism.

SOME Christians support Israel not because they like Jews, but because of their beliefs about the Second Coming.


Or because they happen to hate Muslims and Arabs in general a lot more than Jews. I'm not generalizing on all Christians; I'm talking about a specific section, especially those who are going to defend this bigot.

wta_zuperfann
Aug 2nd, 2006, 10:12 PM
True, Gibson is a bigot and there can be no excuse for his anti-semitic remark. But how strange it is that Republican Michael Savage can openly call for the slaughter of 100 million Muslims and this does not raise even one single eyebrow throughout the world:


http://www.informationliberation.com/index.php?id=9771


Apr 20 2006, 3:06 PM Source: Kurt Nimmo

Weiner “Savage” Calls for Genocide of Muslims

Clear Channel’s KNEW 910 A.M. resident fascist and misanthropic beatnik, Michael “Savage” Weiner, has called for slaughtering 100 million Muslims, thus winning this year’s Ann Coulter award for hatemongering. Weiner told listeners that “intelligent people, wealthy people … are very depressed by the weakness that America is showing to these psychotics in the Muslim world. They say, ‘Oh, there’s a billion of them’…. I said, ‘So, kill 100 million of them, then there’d be 900 million of them.’ I mean … would you rather us die than them?…. Would you rather we disappear or we die? Or would you rather they disappear and they die? Because you’re going to have to make that choice sooner rather than later.”

In other words, Weiner is calling for an act of genocide that would best Mao’s “Great Leap Forward” into mass murder (49,000,000), Stalin’s various famines and purges (13,000,000), Adolf Hitler’s Nazi killing spree (12,000,000), and Pol Pot’s “Year Zero” (1,700,000), to list the most infamous.

In America, circa 2006, you will end up arrested and abused if you hold up an anti-Bush placard along the presidential motorcade route, and yet large “entertainment” corporations allow vicious hatemongers such as Weiner to spew venom over the once publically owned airwaves. “Savage” should be picked up and put in a rubber room and observed closely for any homicidal tendencies, lest he endanger any Muslims, or for that matter “red diaper doper babies,” that is to say any boomer who is not a neocon fascist. Instead, he is a three time New York Times bestseller and a nationally syndicated radio show host with over eight million listeners on 377 stations throughout the United States, ranking third in nationwide ratings behind the neocon shills Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity.

Weiner’s hatred will unfortunately influence a percentage of the easily brainwashed and stampeded masses, already steeped in an endless barrage of anti-Muslim propaganda engineered by the Straussian neocons and a complaisant corporate media as part of their “Clash of Civilizations” crusade against Islamic society and culture.

But what is really startling is Weiner-Savage is allowed to get away with dispensing such over-the-top hatred while a small number of people, essentially locked out of the corporate media, are called conspiracy nuts and anti-American trolls for asking questions about obvious inconsistencies (and violations of the laws of physics) in regard to the official version of nine eleven events.

Obviously, the corporate media is fully onboard with the Straussian total war agenda—and Mike Weiner, a former beatnik who once frolicked nude with Allen Ginsberg in Fiji, serves their purposes nicely. Beatnik San Francisco bookstore owner Lawrence Ferlinghetti considers Weiner’s hate radio persona “total opportunism,” the crowning achievement of someone who was “always looking to make a fast buck” and “always trying to think up new schemes to get famous” (see the Wikipedia entry on Michael Alan Weiner). Unfortunately, his beguiled listeners are unaware the man is a charlatan and fake. However, it is difficult to fake hatred of the sort Weiner espouses against largely peaceful Muslims.

In a perfect world, those in influential positions calling for war and mass murder would be held to account for their reprehensible advocacy and also destroying the remaining vestiges of our one-time constitutional republic, now in tatters and moving ever closer to outright tyranny by the hour. On the day Bushzarro world finally crashes, not only should Bush and crew be immediately arrested and prosecuted, but Michael Weiner as well for preaching hatred, advocating mass murder, accurately characterized as genocide.

After he is convicted of hate-mongering and deemed a potential threat to the social order, Weiner-Savage should be sent to a small island, preferably an uninhabited one in the vicinity of Aitutaki in the Pacific, although that may be too close to civilization for comfort. Fiji, of course, is out of the question since it may elicit fond memories.

griffin
Aug 2nd, 2006, 10:18 PM
Probably because few epeople know who the heck he is.

wta_zuperfann
Aug 2nd, 2006, 10:58 PM
What??? Racist Republican Michael Savage has one of the highest ratings on AM talk radio in the USA. True, the SOB doesn't talk any sense in his shows which are filled with hatred for Muslims, liberals, feminists, and Democrats. But the guy has a large following and is influential among right wing Republicans.

Still, there has not been any disavowals or condemnation from the Republicans for this Hitler like statement. But that's typical.

griffin
Aug 2nd, 2006, 11:00 PM
What??? Racist Republican Michael Savage has one of the highest ratings on AM talk radio in the USA.

Michael Savage - very popular with conservative wing-nuts and people who like tomake fun of them.

Mel Gibson - international a-list movie star.

yeah, I could see how they'd get comparable notice :lol:

wta_zuperfann
Aug 2nd, 2006, 11:16 PM
griffin,


You're from Kiwi Land and probably are not aware of just how high Savage's radio show ratings are here in the USA. He has millions of deluded reich wing fans. And I mean MILLIONS. If you lived in the States, you would have known this.

His remarks were FAR more f*cked up than Gibson's and were certainly deserving of some form of condemnation. But naturally, nothing was done about it.

*JR*
Aug 3rd, 2006, 12:19 AM
griffin,


You're from Kiwi Land and probably are not aware of just how high Savage's radio show ratings are here in the USA. He has millions of deluded reich wing fans. And I mean MILLIONS. If you lived in the States, you would have known this.

His remarks were FAR more f*cked up than Gibson's and were certainly deserving of some form of condemnation. But naturally, nothing was done about it.
She actually lives in the Peoples Republic of Massachusetts, which is adjacent to the States. :p

wta_zuperfann
Aug 3rd, 2006, 01:30 AM
Aha --- perhaps there's something wicked in those oysters from the river Charles!

As for me, I'm a much bigger fan of Manhattan style chowder. :)

Veritas
Aug 3rd, 2006, 04:50 AM
Support for Israel does not mean Love for Jews

SOME Christians support Israel not because they like Jews, but because of their beliefs about the Second Coming.

This is not saying "Christians hate Jews"

Yep. I mean, let's not forget that one of the fundamental beliefs of Christianity is that Jews were responsible for Jesus' death - which is kinda ironic since the New Testament makes it clear it was God's plan to let it happen anyway.

Kunal
Aug 3rd, 2006, 07:27 AM
it always comes back to religion

wta_zuperfann
Aug 3rd, 2006, 01:46 PM
it always comes back to religion

For someone like Michael Savage to openly call for Hitlerian genocidal extermination without so much as a word of protest from these so-called "conpassionate conservatives" shows that Republicans have no business calling themselves "Christian".

samsung101
Aug 3rd, 2006, 06:02 PM
Again, I'm sadly not surprised this story won't go
where it belongs - off the front page, but, still
in the paper.

The man is charged with DUI. He'll get some
community service, pay fines, be forced to do
rehab, and probably probation, and hopefully
have his license revoked.

Not to count the international sliming he's
taken for his own stupid and sick actions and
words. Not to mention the mark on his head
forever of being a Class A Jerk with serious
anti-semitic problems.

However, what is with the billboards and
ads in papers denouncing him. Hollywood is
finally taking a serious stand on something -
hating Mel Gibson.


Jackie Mason is right, the man has a problem,
he was obviously drunk as a skunk, he didn't
murder anyone, but, it's potshot time, and
some are doing it w/great glee. A rich, famous
guy that many envied, is getting it back now
from many who disliked him. With a lot of
smiles on their faces, way too many smiles
really.

The Iranian President again said the real
solution to the problem is to eliminate Israel,
and we're ignoring that, and pounding a millionaire
actor who had a lot of vodka in him, who spewed
ugly words when busted by a patient cop in Malibu.

Harry Belafonte and Danny Glover can use the
words house 'n' or Uncle Tom or bootlicker to
describe Condi or Powell, and that's fine. Rappers
can use every ugly word possible, and it's okay too.

Mel was a jerk, and he got boozed up, and was a bigger
jerk, and he got busted, & all the world knows what
he did.

But, Mel Gibson being charged should not have
been the lead story for hours on tv yesterday,
as it was. Isn't there something going on in Lebanon,
Iraq, Afghanistan, Darfur, Serbia, Mexico right now?
Weren't there murders and rapes and robberies in
LA and NY yesterday? But, Mel's misdemeanor charge
is the lead story.

griffin
Aug 3rd, 2006, 06:34 PM
But, Mel Gibson being charged should not have
been the lead story for hours on tv yesterday,
as it was. Isn't there something going on in Lebanon,
Iraq, Afghanistan, Darfur, Serbia, Mexico right now?
Weren't there murders and rapes and robberies in
LA and NY yesterday? But, Mel's misdemeanor charge
is the lead story.

Are you new to this country? Since when have "stars" getting busted by the cops NOT been a big story? :lol: Winona Ryder? Hugh Grant? We'd much rather read about stars being stupid than something we might have to care about, sadly.

I hate to break your little "Mel's being crucified for saying bad things about Jews" bubble, but he's being treated just like any other Hollywood big-shot who gets caught doing something they shouldn't.

roarke
Aug 3rd, 2006, 08:19 PM
Again I say it... double standard, double standard. When politicians, celebrities and other such public persona say stuff about other groups of people namely Black people, once they issue a statement or apology most of you here would find it sufficient or better yet find some excuse to hide behind. Now all of a sudden Mel Gibson needs to be boiled in hot water and roast in the pit of hell and have his career ruined because he made these comments against Jews. Leno makes fun of illegal Mexican immigrants almost every night should we say he hates Mexicans and should be boiled too, or does it make a difference because it is a joke? “Of course Mel's words could just be angry words said in a moment of anger!” Maybe like so many others he is upset at Israel for the way they are killing the Lebanese people and how they have and continue to treat the Palestinians. So maybe in his drunkenness he gave way to his anger and spouted those ill-fated comments but that does not necessarily men he hates Jews, maybe he is just so angry and because he was drunk couldn't find the most appropriate words to express that anger. You can hate actions but you don't necessarily hate the people associated with the action, after all, as a Christian hate is wrong.

griffin
Aug 3rd, 2006, 08:50 PM
Again I say it... double standard, double standard. When politicians, celebrities and other such public persona say stuff about other groups of people namely Black people, once they issue a statement or apology most of you here would find it sufficient or better yet find some excuse to hide behind.

Are you KIDDING me?!?!?

I don't know if you just really don't pay attention to the threads on this board, have been smoking a lot of crack, or are dissembling for a purpose, but this has got to be one of the most ridiculous statements I've seen here.

Martina Hingis still catches hell for what she said about Amelie Mauresmo in '99. More players than I have time to name still get it for what they said (or didn't say) about Venus and Serena.

Did you miss the thread(s) about whether Mandisa did or didn't say something homophobic on American Idol?

JustineTime
Aug 3rd, 2006, 09:10 PM
What??? Racist Republican Michael Savage has one of the highest ratings on AM talk radio in the USA. True, the SOB doesn't talk any sense in his shows which are filled with hatred for Muslims, liberals, feminists, and Democrats. But the guy has a large following and is influential among right wing Republicans.

Still, there has not been any disavowals or condemnation from the Republicans for this Hitler like statement. But that's typical.

Soo...ummm...are you a regular Michael Savage listener? :hehehe:

wta_zuperfann
Aug 3rd, 2006, 09:10 PM
samsung wrote that Iran's leader call for the elimination of Israel --- this report which was initially made by the pro-Zionist Boston Globe and quoted by warmongering Bush has been thoroughly discredited:


http://www.albionmonitor.com/0605a/iranmisquote.html


DID AHMADINEJAD REALLY CALL TO "WIPE ISRAEL OFF THE MAP?"

by Gary Leupp



I read again in this morning's Boston Globe a matter of fact reference to Iran's threat to "wipe Israel off the map." This echoes the repeated allegation by President Bush and other top administration officials that Iran's President Ahmadinejad has issued such a call. "We are talking about a specific threat on a partner of the U.S. and Germany," Bush told the German newspaper Bild last week. But is this not just more neo-con disinformation, designed to inspire fear that Iran's nuclear program, which heads the long list of Washington's charges against Iran, is really designed to annihilate Israel?

It turns out that Ahmadinejad never said what is being routinely attributed to him. Juan Cole, a professor of Middle Eastern studies at University of Michigan who reads Persian, explains that he actually stated (quoting the late Ayatollah Khomeini): "The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] from the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad)."

Now, some might say, "So he didn't say, 'wipe off the map,' he said 'erase from the page.' What's the difference? Anyway he's saying he wants to get rid of Israel." But Cole explains why the mistranslation significantly distorts the Iranian leader's words. "Ahmadinejad was not making a threat, he was quoting a saying of Khomeini and urging that pro-Palestinian activists in Iran not give up hope -- that the occupation of Jerusalem was no more a continued inevitability than had been the hegemony of the Shah's government. Whatever this quotation from a decades-old speech of Khomeini may have meant, Ahmadinejad did not say that 'Israel must be wiped off the map' with the implication that phrase has of Nazi-style extermination of a people. He said that the occupation regime over Jerusalem must be erased from the page of time."

How would it sound if Bush kept repeating: "The Iranian president has quoted Ayatollah Khomeini, who died seventeen years ago, as saying 'the occupation regime over Jerusalem must be erased from the page of time?'" Pretty lame, huh? Or if he were to say, "In ten years, Iran might be able to build a nuclear weapon to use against Israel, which itself has had a couple hundred nukes for quite awhile?" Pretty lame, too. You can be sure that employees in the current incarnation of the Office of Special Plans aren't being paid to churn out that kind of stuff. They're paid to produce effective propaganda to justify the planned attack on Iran.

"This is how we'll spin it," some wise neo-con must have suggested as soon as the Iranian leader made his statement. "We'll say Ahmadinejad has stated publicly that he wants to wipe Israel off the map, and since we know that Iran is trying to produce nuclear weapons, clearly Iran plans to nuke Israel at the earliest opportunity. People will say, 'That's crazy, Israel would respond to an attack by destroying Iran.' But we'll say, 'Ahmadinejad is indeed crazy. And he's as bad as Hitler!'"

There are risks in this spin. In the build-up to war on Iraq, the security of Israel was only referenced marginally. The suggestion that the war was "for Israel" was roundly pooh-poohed and those arguing this were and are tarred with the brush of anti-Semitism. But here the president is all but declaring that he will attack Iran rather than allow the country to acquire the ability to produce nuclear weapons which might someday be deployed against nuclear Israel. On March 20 Bush declared specifically, "The threat from Iran is, of course, their stated objective to destroy our strong ally Israel. That's a threat, a serious threat. It's a threat to world peace. I made it clear, and I'll make it clear again, that we will use military might to protect our ally Israel." Not, "One of the threats from Iran," but "The threat from Iran." The problem with Iran (which has never in modern times attacked another country) is that it threatens, not the U.S., but Israel! That's the pretty clearly stated position of the administration. And if it's actually unlikely that Iran plans military action against Israel, the administration will doctor the intelligence as it has in the past, and ensure that the press hypes the threat. "Vanish from the page of time" becomes "wipe off the map." Ahmadinejad becomes Hitler. A legal nuclear program once promoted by U.S. administrations becomes a cause of inherent suspicion because Iran with all its oil has no reason for nuclear power. A design on a stolen laptop becomes confirmation of a military nuclear program. Iran's withdrawal from a voluntary non-binding agreement between Europe and Iran becomes a violation of international law. The U.S. eager to effect regime change in Iran becomes the "international community" supposedly "losing patience" with Iran.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not suggesting that the real reason behind the manufactured "crisis" is Washington's concern about the state of Israel. It may be the primary concern of some of the neo-cons who have played key roles during the last few years; Douglas Feith, for example, seems to view the invasion of Iraq (which his OSP marketed before the war) as the "answer to the Holocaust." But Israel isn't the reason that Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney and Rice have embraced the neo-con program.

The war planners can hype any slight shred of evidence for Tehran-al Qaeda contact, emphasizing reports that some Taliban fighters fleeing Afghanistan were given safe passage through Iran. But anyone paying attention knows that Iran almost went to war with the Taliban, supported the Northern Alliance, and as a Shiite nation is despised by bin Laden and his crowd. Iran has close ties with the Shiite political parties in Iraq. So "for bureaucratic reasons" as Wolfowitz would say, the administration's selling its regime change plans for Iran as a response to a nuclear program threatening the Jewish state (and hence "world peace").

Surely there are risks in saying, "The real threat is to Israel, and we will use military force to protect Israel." True, AIPAC has Congress in its pocket, the Christian Zionist contingent can be counted on to support military action against Iran, and those asking questions may be silenced by the charge of anti-Semitism. Even so people will ask, "Why don't we let the Israelis take care of themselves? Why our boys instead of theirs?" And there could be a big ugly backlash against "the Lobby" as ongoing legal investigations and scandals proceed. But what's the alternative to making Israel the issue, as the president has done?

They could say, honestly, "This has more to do with acquiring geopolitical control over Southwest Asia and encircling rising China than fighting terrorism or establishing the security of the Jewish state." But they can't say that without validating chapter and verse Lenin's Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism and calling into question the whole logic of the system. So they lie, make up quotes, plant scary stories in the press, doing so more recklessly as the president's poll figures drop. All so they can wipe their enemies off the map, using their own nukes to do so.




Gary Leupp is Professor of History at Tufts University, and Adjunct Professor of Comparative Religion.



for those who do not know it, Professor Juan Cole who was quoted in this report is the USA foremost authority on the mid East; for the future, please present the truth on this forum as we cannot have a world of Peace unless we are open minded enough to accept and to spread the truth

wta_zuperfann
Aug 3rd, 2006, 09:12 PM
Soo...ummm...are you a regular Michael Savage listener?


I was at one time --- you know the old story: know thy enemy!

roarke
Aug 3rd, 2006, 09:13 PM
Are you KIDDING me?!?!?

I don't know if you just really don't pay attention to the threads on this board, have been smoking a lot of crack, or are dissembling for a purpose, but this has got to be one of the most ridiculous statements I've seen here.

Martina Hingis still catches hell for what she said about Amelie Mauresmo in '99. More players than I have time to name still get it for what they said (or didn't say) about Venus and Serena.

Did you miss the thread(s) about whether Mandisa did or didn't say something homophobic on American Idol?


Nope, don’t do drugs! Sorry!

Did anyone say Martina’s should never be allowed to play tennis ever again and we should all boycott her games? In fact most people's opinion of Martina is that she is good for the game not only because of the game but also because of her comments. Did anyone say Mandisa should be kicked off the idol tour and her concert should be boycotted? No! Did anyone request that a $40K billboard with Mandisa and Martina's picture with the heading "They Hate Homosexuals", no!
By the way wasn't it you who said that the politician who used the terminology "tar-baby" should be forgiven because he apologized and obviously he just made a mistake in his choice of words. He wasn't drunk when he said it and as an American of a certain age group he should have been well aware of its association. You can't speak from two sides of your mouth just because it suits you.

*JR*
Aug 3rd, 2006, 09:15 PM
Martina Hingis still catches hell for what she said about Amelie Mauresmo in '99. More players than I have time to name still get it for what they said (or didn't say) about Venus and Serena.

Uh, time out. (And I think you know my posting record re. tolerance, most recently ITT about gay marriage today). Marti was never ostracized on the tour, and those (including Momo, BTW) who had verbal dustups with the W/S never were for that, except for places like here. Whereas if Mel wasn't able to finance his own films, he'd likely be penalized financially re. movie work.

JustineTime
Aug 3rd, 2006, 09:16 PM
In America, circa 2006, you will end up arrested and abused if you hold up an anti-Bush placard along the presidential motorcade route, and yet large “entertainment” corporations allow vicious hatemongers such as Weiner to spew venom over the once publically owned airwaves. “Savage” should be picked up and put in a rubber room and observed closely for any homicidal tendencies, lest he endanger any Muslims, or for that matter “red diaper doper babies,” that is to say any boomer who is not a neocon fascist.

Oh, just BTW, this is utter crap.

And Michael Savage is a lot of things, but he ain't no neocon. :rolleyes:

Whoever wrote that article was more interested in doing a hit piece than the actual facts. Big surprise there. :rolleyes:

wta_zuperfann
Aug 3rd, 2006, 09:20 PM
Savage's words were played on Air America Radio and here's a transcription:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200604190001


look for yourself

roarke
Aug 3rd, 2006, 09:23 PM
Uh, time out. (And I think you know my posting record re. tolerance, most recently ITT about gay marriage today). Marti was never ostracized on the tour, and those (including Momo, BTW) who had verbal dustups with the W/S never were for that, except for places like here. Whereas if Mel wasn't able to finance his own films, he'd likely be penalized financially re. movie work.


Exactly! Even though he can finance his own films he will still hurt from this "scandal" because the call is for no one to work with him ever again! I think that his overkill. Jesus Christ (who was a Jew) preached mercy, forgiveness and insisted on loving your neighbors. Obviously Mel isn't entitled to any...if you were to believe most people these days....

JustineTime
Aug 3rd, 2006, 09:24 PM
Savage's words were played on Air America Radio and here's a transcription:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200604190001


look for yourself

Oh, he spews venom, all right, and unfortunately a lot of it is right on target. :shrug: :tape:

wta_zuperfann
Aug 3rd, 2006, 09:33 PM
Kinda ironic reply in view of your use of biblical quotes as your signature. :)

griffin
Aug 3rd, 2006, 09:42 PM
most of you here

*JR*, roarke, I took this to indicate roarke was referring to this board and "we here" on it - hence the reference to Martina and other players. If you're not referring to "here" - don't refer to here.

But, roarke is still delusional (at best) if s/he thinks a public figure could get away with a racist rant (booze or no booze) and not have people screaming about it and calling for their head.

It blows over, just as this will, when the next distraction comes along, but it happens. So spare us the "Jews run everything" conspiracy theories.

griffin
Aug 3rd, 2006, 09:47 PM
ftr, Mel didn't try very hard to get PoC financed - studios are scared of anything controvertial, but he'd have found the money if he kept looking. But "the movie THEY don't want you to see" mades for better publicity.

His career is fine. He'll go to rehab, he'll apologize and ask forgivness, the public will accept it and the studios will remember his movies make lots of money - the only thing they truly worship.

The rest of his life? That's up to Mel and has nothing to do with what happens in public (and I hope for his sake he does sort it out)

JustineTime
Aug 3rd, 2006, 09:50 PM
Kinda ironic reply in view of your use of biblical quotes as your signature. :)

Not really, but don't infer that I sign on to everything Savage says just because I don't castigate him like the author of that hit piece. :)

*JR*
Aug 3rd, 2006, 11:04 PM
ftr, Mel didn't try very hard to get PoC financed - studios are scared of anything controvertial, but he'd have found the money if he kept looking. But "the movie THEY don't want you to see" mades for better publicity.But Oliver Stone didn't have to "grovel" to get JFK financed. Ditto Born on the 4th of July, and Full Metal Jacket. And lets not forget Michael Moore with Bowling for Columbine and Farenheit 911. Sure some studios don't want controversy, but others love it because it sells. ;)

And I say that as an agnostic who thinks Passion of the Christ was ridiculous exploitation of either the killing of a false Messiah, or the "not really killing" of someone who wanted said fate, then took a 2 day "nap" and got up, if he was what he claimed 2B.

jmd
Aug 4th, 2006, 01:59 AM
I really dont like him

Ferosh
Aug 4th, 2006, 02:00 AM
Seems like all this money he made did him no good.

Kirt12255
Aug 4th, 2006, 02:03 AM
Hmmm an Australian with too much money in "The States"....was only a matter of time. I feel for "him" disgusted at his "celebrity".

Kunal
Aug 4th, 2006, 08:47 AM
Again I say it... double standard, double standard. When politicians, celebrities and other such public persona say stuff about other groups of people namely Black people, once they issue a statement or apology most of you here would find it sufficient or better yet find some excuse to hide behind. Now all of a sudden Mel Gibson needs to be boiled in hot water and roast in the pit of hell and have his career ruined because he made these comments against Jews. Leno makes fun of illegal Mexican immigrants almost every night should we say he hates Mexicans and should be boiled too, or does it make a difference because it is a joke? “Of course Mel's words could just be angry words said in a moment of anger!” Maybe like so many others he is upset at Israel for the way they are killing the Lebanese people and how they have and continue to treat the Palestinians. So maybe in his drunkenness he gave way to his anger and spouted those ill-fated comments but that does not necessarily men he hates Jews, maybe he is just so angry and because he was drunk couldn't find the most appropriate words to express that anger. You can hate actions but you don't necessarily hate the people associated with the action, after all, as a Christian hate is wrong.


i think u are off the mark there with those comments..

i really think that if mel gibson had made such hateful remarks about black people, he prolly would have been in the same deep shit or worse.
the media and different sections of the society would have castrated him for sure.

im really surprised to see u say that

fifiricci
Aug 4th, 2006, 09:53 AM
Hmmm an Australian with too much money in "The States"....was only a matter of time. I feel for "him" disgusted at his "celebrity".

I thought he was in fact an American who was brought up in Aus and then went "home"?

wta_zuperfann
Aug 4th, 2006, 01:50 PM
Not really, but don't infer that I sign on to everything Savage says just because I don't castigate him like the author of that hit piece. :)




'' hit piece '' followed by Jesus --- yup, a great irony indeed! :lol:

samsung101
Aug 4th, 2006, 04:15 PM
Did you see Rob Schneiders piece?

He took out a fake ad to counter the real ad one big
Hollywood agent put out bashing Mel Gibson this week.

Rob's is pretty funny.

No, he won't work with Mel, no matter what, not even if
it was the lead in Passion of The Christ II. Gets in the
name of his new upcoming film too.

He gets it.
What hypocrites.

You can be found guilty of raping an underage girl, and
get an Oscar nomination.
You can marry your stepdaughter, and get an Oscar.
You can call black Republicans hateful things, and
get applause.
Mel is stoned out of his mind (and the photos show
that clearly- that guy was wasted), and says
hateful mean ugly things, and he's blacklisted
already?

"Sluggy"
Aug 4th, 2006, 04:27 PM
Yes you are right Samsung, the poor antisimite. He should be rewarded for his honesty.

lakeway11
Aug 4th, 2006, 05:04 PM
You can be found guilty of raping an underage girl, and
get an Oscar nomination.
You can marry your stepdaughter, and get an Oscar.
You can call black Republicans hateful things, and
get applause.
Mel is stoned out of his mind (and the photos show
that clearly- that guy was wasted), and says
hateful mean ugly things, and he's blacklisted
already?


in some peoples warped minds there is nothing but nothing in the world more evil than criticizing Israel so not surprised people get more worked up over what a drunk Mel blabbers than the genocide in Lebanon

lakeway11
Aug 4th, 2006, 05:23 PM
Savage's words were played on Air America Radio and here's a transcription:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200604190001


look for yourself


Summary: On April 17, Michael Savage called for "kill[ing] 100 million" Muslims and referred to the alleged Duke rape victim as a "drunken slut stripping whore."

disagree with the first part but the second has some truth...

slk45
Aug 4th, 2006, 05:40 PM
Mel Gibson and the Politics of Bigotry

by L. Brent Bozell III
Posted Aug 04, 2006

Since he's made no effort to deny them, one has to accept that the police report was accurate and that in a drunken stupor Gibson hurled those anti-Semitic insults. He has been humiliated and in his unequivocal apology, humbled. "There is no excuse, nor should there be any tolerance, for anyone who thinks or expresses any kind of anti-Semitic remark. I want to apologize specifically to everyone in the Jewish community for the vitriolic and harmful words that I have said … "

Gibson's remarks were disgraceful. But is Gibson now to be disgraced? And who is qualified to make that judgment?

The paparazzi news media can't get enough of this story, and some, like ABC's Diane Sawyer, can barely conceal their glee. The hard news covered, here comes the analysis, with this-man-will-never-get-another-job-in-this- town reports everywhere you turn, fueled by the likes of Arianna Huffington, who has denounced Gibson's "odious racism" and her colleague Ari Emanuel, who writes that " ... the entertainment industry cannot idly stand by and allow Mel Gibson to get away with such tragically inflammatory statements ... Now we know the truth. And no amount of publicist-approved contrition can paper it over. People in the entertainment community, whether Jew or gentile, need to demonstrate that they understand how much is at stake in this by professionally shunning Mel Gibson and refusing to work with him ... There are times in history when standing up against bigotry and racism is more important than money." Others like Christopher Hitchens, Joy Behar, Barbara Walters and Sony Pictures chairwoman Amy Pascal have piled on with their denouncements of this religious bigotry.

The first thing Mel Gibson and everyone else should do is ignore people like these. They are hypocrites.

They were nowhere to be found when "Da Vinci Code" actor Ian McKellen publicly accused the Catholic Church of "perhaps misleading us all this time," and stated, "the Bible should have a disclaimer in the front saying this is fiction." And what of the movie itself, a bigoted anti-Catholic screed if ever there was one? Any denouncements from them?

Where were they when Comedy Central's Dennis Leary aired his "Merry F*ing Christmas" special, publicly called the Christmas story "bull[bleep]" and said of the baby Jesus and the Virgin Mary, "I also believe that about nine months before he was born, somebody sure as [bleep] banged the hell out of his mom"? Any religious bigotry there, folks?

Have any of these people ever said a word about the "South Park" DVD featuring an episode called "Red Hot Catholic Love," in which almost every Catholic priest and cardinal in the world favors having sex with altar boys because supposedly it's been enshrined in Vatican law? What about the "South Park" episode aired on television depicting a statue of the Virgin Mary with blood coming out her rectum?

There was that contestant "Tammy" who thought she was very funny on NBC's "Last Comic Standing" when she joked, "It's a good time to be Catholic … cause we're grading on the curve. As long as you're not touching pee-pees you got a get-out-of-hell-free card." Did Gibson's critics condemn her -- or did they laugh? How about Penn and Teller's skit on their HBO show about Mother Teresa, one of the world's holiest women and presently on the fast track toward sainthood? The title -- "Mother F---ing Teresa" -- tells you all you need to know. Barbara Walters and Co., where were you?

Arianna, where were you when one wag said of Pope John Paul the Great's teachings on sexuality that "in his perversion pecking order, you had to be dead-set against 'self-love' but when it came to buggering little kids, there was some wiggle room"? Oh wait a minute. Those were your words, weren't they?

How about the TV show "Committed," which featured a scene in which the main characters accidentally flush what they believe to be the Sacred Host down a toilet? Or "Judging Amy" with its storyline about a transvestite priest? What about the show "Rescue Me" with its plots about pedophilic priests and the character who has visions of Christ and Mary Magdalene, including one in which "Tommy" is having sex with Mary Magdalene, Jesus catches them and in a jealous rage tries to blow Tommy away with a shotgun?

The examples of anti-Christian, anti-Catholic bigotry in Hollywood are seemingly endless. Each and every one is uglier, more mean-spirited than anything Mel Gibson said. While Gibson's comments were those of a slobbering drunk, these anti-Catholic rants were not just deliberate, in most cases they were scripted. And while Gibson has apologized profusely, none of the people cited above has any intention of showing contrition because they have none.

Gibson's statements were awful, and deserved condemnation. But the anti-Catholic bigotry raging in Hollywood is far worse. Those who suddenly proclaim themselves to be shocked -- shocked, I tell you! -- over Gibson's religious bigotry, but have remained silent all these years as the Catholic Church is mercilessly pummeled, ridiculed and insulted, are frauds.

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What Mel Gibson is now going through is Satan's revenge for "Passion of the Christ."

tterb
Aug 4th, 2006, 06:34 PM
A little off topic, but then, this thread has been fairly unfocused, so whatever:

You know what the common denominator between followers of all religions seems to be these days (IMHO)?

Everybody feels like their own religion is being "attacked" (that article in the post above mine, for example).

You know, the whole, "Oh my goodness! Why is everyone so tolerant of other religions but mine? Why do they all get away with doing bad things and I can't?" mindset.

OTOH, I think if everyone looked outside their own box instead of crying about double standards, they'd see that every religion is criticized, made fun of, etc. in today's world. But I suppose it's easier to play the victim than to face reality.

*JR*
Aug 4th, 2006, 08:06 PM
Link (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?print=yes&id=16350)

What Mel Gibson is now going through is Satan's revenge for "Passion of the Christ."
The problem with Mr. Bozell's argument was that being Jewish isn't just a set of beliefs one chooses, like being Catholic for example. As Jews were considered "guest populations" in the places they lived for a few millenia, its a defacto ethnicity. (Or a few, like the Ashkenazim descended from Europe, and the Sephardim whose roots are in the Arab world, etc.) What Mel did was more like saying "fucking blacks" or "fucking Chicanos".

And while the things Bozell cites may be crudely worded, they only address totally unprovable things that ppl choose to believe. (Things as unprovable as your comment about "Satan's revenge").

JustineTime
Aug 4th, 2006, 08:44 PM
'' hit piece '' followed by Jesus --- yup, a great irony indeed! :lol:

Jesus is perfect. I'm a sinner. Deal. :rolleyes:

wta_zuperfann
Aug 4th, 2006, 08:55 PM
~~ All have sinned and fallen short of the glory ~~


Therefore, I'm not judging you. :)

JustineTime
Aug 4th, 2006, 08:57 PM
~~ All have sinned and fallen short of the glory ~~


Therefore, I'm not judging you. :)

Good to know. :p

;)

wta_zuperfann
Aug 4th, 2006, 09:05 PM
Gibson's statements were awful, and deserved condemnation. But the anti-Catholic bigotry raging in Hollywood is far worse. Those who suddenly proclaim themselves to be shocked -- shocked, I tell you! -- over Gibson's religious bigotry, but have remained silent all these years as the Catholic Church is mercilessly pummeled, ridiculed and insulted, are frauds.



The writer may have a point, there. But I believe that much of that Hollywood scorn towards Catholicism stems from the myriad of abuse cases and the lack of corrective actions taken by the Church.

My view towards Gibson is that he made a big mistake because he was in the sauce. He has apologized and, I'm sure, will make amends for his indiscretion.

Racist hatemonger Michael Savage's behavior was done while he was on the air and his reasoning (limited as it is) was not incapacitated by liquor. He is far more deserving of public scorn and should have been disqualified from being on the air waves.

JustineTime
Aug 4th, 2006, 10:38 PM
I just watched Jackie Mason on Neil Cavuto! :yeah:

:haha: I love that guy! :haha:

:bigclap:

:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

samsung101
Aug 7th, 2006, 09:31 PM
Jackie Mason is right on this.


Isn't it sad that the 'news' media has spent more
time overdoing this story, making it the lead in on
the evening news, cover of magazines instantly,
but generally, giving little coverage to real anti-semitic
actions of the past week or so.

The murder and gun attack at a Jewish center in Seattle
by a Muslim man.

The made up stories by Retuers, doctoring photos to make
Israeli attacks look worse.

General anti-semitic actions and sentiment growing in
Europe and elsewhere.

But, no, we have to know every detail of an obviously
drunken Mel Gibson when he's busted for DUI in Malibu.
That makes Hollywood agents take out full page ads
telling us to shun him. But, actors that sympathize
openly and with cash to the PLO or nations in the Middle
East or Latin America that are outright anti-semitic,
that's okay.

Kunal
Aug 8th, 2006, 08:17 AM
thats a good point....and no matter how we feel these things wont change.

at least i cannot see them changing....media sustains itself on hype....and mel brings that since his name carries a lot of weight opposed to a gun attack at a jewish center in seattle by a muslim man