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Morrissey
Jun 8th, 2006, 02:39 PM
Okay the French Open is almost over. However, there is going to be a big public relations battle for the WTA and the Wimbledon seeding committee if certain players do not get bumped up in the seedings. The Wimbledon seeding committee will see Roddick and Henman higher than their rankings because of prior results on grass. However for the WTA the Wimbledon seeding committee continues to be sexist and they refuse to give the women a higher seeding based on prior grass court results. Lindsay Davenport a two time finalist and one time champion is currently ranked no.7 and Venus is no.13 yet she is the reigning three time Wimbledon champion. And Maria Sharapova is the 2004 Wimbledon champion. I firmly believe all three should get top four seeding. However, I bet those old farts at Wimbledon will just go by rankings. And its just not fair. Venus and Lindsay deserve a top 4 seeding if they can do it for Henman and Roddick they can do it for Lindsay and Venus. And also I want an all American final.


Wimbledon seedings top 4

1. Maria Sharapova
2. Venus Williams
3. Lindsay Davenport
4. Amelie Mauresmo

selyoink
Jun 8th, 2006, 02:41 PM
Personally I disagree. I don't think they should do special seeding for the men either.

Hurley
Jun 8th, 2006, 02:42 PM
There is no controversy, and there won't be a controversy, because they're going to seed by the rankings.

The only controversy is whether the zillion useless threads started by freaks on this board about this topic will get people banned as they should be.

TomTennis
Jun 8th, 2006, 02:42 PM
To be honest, Im not to boethered where Venus is seeded. So long as she plays great then as far as her fans are concerncered she could be unseeded lol.

But it will be interesting to see what happens. Im not too sure about what is going to happen though. Im betting if Roddick wins queens again then he will be bumped up, but not too sure if Henman (now ranked sumthin like 70!) will get moved up.

Hurley
Jun 8th, 2006, 02:42 PM
And get your facts straight. Henman won't be seeded, he can't be seeded, shut up.

Drake1980
Jun 8th, 2006, 02:47 PM
I think it's fair the way it is.

VeeDaQueen
Jun 8th, 2006, 02:49 PM
Maria the #1 seed :lol: I would be pissed if that happened. But it doesn't matter, Venus won as the 14th seed, and Maria won as the 13th seed :)

vwfan
Jun 8th, 2006, 02:50 PM
not worried about Venus at all.

it's the other players that should be worried. Venus will be ready to defend after having a very solid clay court season. and if she takes out the big guns earlier, well. . .an easier final for her!

Thauron
Jun 8th, 2006, 02:58 PM
The only seeding I consider fair is a seeding based on the rankings.

ys
Jun 8th, 2006, 03:00 PM
There will be only seeding correction that will be done against the seeding. Venus will be bumped up to #8 seed.. Which is fair. And nothing else.

No.1Hingis
Jun 8th, 2006, 03:15 PM
Just ranking!! Other could be unfair.. if men disagree with this.. well they have the ATP commite to protest about it..

I think is pretty better.. sexist or not.. is fair to not skip ranking.. If I was a player of ATP I surely complain about it.. but.. not special considerations talks good about sportmanship on Women side!!

tennisfan2480
Jun 8th, 2006, 03:16 PM
I think it should be as follows:

1-2 - Amelie (Good results there last few years)
1-2 - Kim (Depending on if she gets to the Final at the French)
3 - Maria (Obvious good results in past years)
4 - Justine (It's Justine)

5 - Petrova
6 - Venus (Top 4 is a stretch, given most results post-last Wimbledon)
7 - Lindsay (Last 3,4 years results has to mean something)
8 - Hingis (Improving form and ranking, past champ, and will fair better on Grass)

9 - Kuznetsova
10 - Myskina
11 - Dementieva
12 - Vaidisova

13 - Schnyder (She and the other 3 can be in any order here 13-16)
14 - Schiavone
15 - Groenefeld
16 - Hantuchova

Iffy between 8 and 9 for me.

tenn_ace
Jun 8th, 2006, 03:17 PM
There is no controversy, and there won't be a controversy, because they're going to seed by the rankings.

The only controversy is whether the zillion useless threads started by freaks on this board about this topic will get people banned as they should be.


:worship:

akosijepoy
Jun 8th, 2006, 03:18 PM
Seeding really doesn't matter. As long as your fave player wins :)

Helen Lawson
Jun 8th, 2006, 03:18 PM
I wouldn't be against moving Venus to No. 8, even if it has to come at the expense of Lena D, Patty, or Nadia. This would prevent a Big Masha/Lindsay encounter with Venus in the Round of 16. But apart from this suggestions, I wouldn't change anything else.

mr_burns
Jun 8th, 2006, 03:24 PM
I think it's ok to do s special seeding...nadal is obviously not no. 2 on grass...

The changes are not so havy but it might help to see better qf
You don't have to put a player 10 spots higher..BTW on the men's side heman won't be seeded

It should be like this:
1. Momo
2. Maria
3. Kim
4. davenport
5.Henin
6. Venus
7. Kuznetsova
8. Petrova
9. Pierce(if plays)
10 Dementieva
11 Hingis
12 Myskina
13 Vaidisova
14 Schnyder
15 Shiavone
16 ALG

virtue05
Jun 8th, 2006, 03:25 PM
Wimbledon is not going to change the rankings very much, I don't think they like the idea of Venus being their champion. It just shakes me the wrong way, when you don't even consider her one of the favorites, then they threw her on outside courts lastyear. Players who did not have the results of Venus recieved more respect.

lizchris
Jun 8th, 2006, 03:30 PM
I agree; there isn't going to be any controversy.

But if they are going to make seeding adjustments, the only person who should be bumped up is Venus. She will be seeded somewhere in the top 20 right before the seedings are announced and I can't see the tournament seeding her lower than 10.

Infiniti2001
Jun 8th, 2006, 03:33 PM
I say seed according to rankings :shrug:

santhuruu
Jun 8th, 2006, 03:39 PM
I don't care what Venus her ranking is as long as she keeps on winning, I'm fine. Will she maybe be the number 15 seed?

The_Pov
Jun 8th, 2006, 03:39 PM
The Seedings should go:

1.Venus Williams
2. Lindsay Davenport
3. Amelie Mauresmo/Kim Clijsters
4. Maria Sharapova

Because Venus is obviously the champion and Lindsay the runner up so they get 1 and 2 and then I put Amelie higher than Maria because even though they both got to semi's Amelie is ranked higher.

I put Clijsters there in case she get's the number 1 ranking and RG.

MinnyGophers
Jun 8th, 2006, 03:44 PM
Okay the French Open is almost over. However, there is going to be a big public relations battle for the WTA and the Wimbledon seeding committee if certain players do not get bumped up in the seedings. The Wimbledon seeding committee will see Roddick and Henman higher than their rankings because of prior results on grass. However for the WTA the Wimbledon seeding committee continues to be sexist and they refuse to give the women a higher seeding based on prior grass court results. Lindsay Davenport a two time finalist and one time champion is currently ranked no.7 and Venus is no.13 yet she is the reigning three time Wimbledon champion. And Maria Sharapova is the 2004 Wimbledon champion. I firmly believe all three should get top four seeding. However, I bet those old farts at Wimbledon will just go by rankings. And its just not fair. Venus and Lindsay deserve a top 4 seeding if they can do it for Henman and Roddick they can do it for Lindsay and Venus. And also I want an all American final.


Wimbledon seedings top 4

1. Maria Sharapova
2. Venus Williams
3. Lindsay Davenport
4. Amelie Mauresmo

I agree with this top 4, but if you go with results AND rankings, there is no way Maria is seeded 1. Actually, there is no way she is top seeded period.

It would be either Venus because she won it last, or Amelie because she made it to SF and is number one in the world. Also, both are current slam holders.

I would say if they go with rankins and results it should be
1. Amelie
2. Venus
3.Sharapova
4.Davenport

Edited to add: Let's not forget Kim/Justine if one of them wins RG.

goldenlox
Jun 8th, 2006, 03:52 PM
Who cares what the seeding is.
The best player will win, out of those who can stay healthy

angele87
Jun 8th, 2006, 03:54 PM
I'm in favor of just seeding according to the rankings but if they make changes, I don't think anybody should be bumped up more than one level. 1-2 is one level, then 3-4, then 5-8, 9-16, etc... Seeding Venus 8 would be fine but not anywhere from 1-4 imo. And I can't see Wimbledon doing that anyway.

GracefulVenus
Jun 8th, 2006, 03:55 PM
Yeah, I don't think they should get special seeding either. Just go by the rankings. That way the players don't have to worry about that crap when they hit the court. Just bring your game baby, not your seeding!

WF4EVER
Jun 8th, 2006, 04:01 PM
And Maria No. 1? LMAO. You're insane!

No.1Hingis
Jun 8th, 2006, 04:03 PM
Who cares what the seeding is.
The best player will win, out of those who can stay healthy

Totally agree.. this is the correct general point of view..

(Hope Marty can be better ... "form" ... to Wimbledom)

Direwolf
Jun 8th, 2006, 04:13 PM
I think that it really sucks if Venus plays Amelie-Kim-Justine-Sharapova in the 4th round...

TomTennis
Jun 8th, 2006, 04:36 PM
I think it should be as follows:

1-2 - Amelie (Good results there last few years)
1-2 - Kim (Depending on if she gets to the Final at the French)
3 - Maria (Obvious good results in past years)
4 - Justine (It's Justine)

5 - Petrova
6 - Venus (Top 4 is a stretch, given most results post-last Wimbledon)
7 - Lindsay (Last 3,4 years results has to mean something)
8 - Hingis (Improving form and ranking, past champ, and will fair better on Grass)

9 - Kuznetsova
10 - Myskina
11 - Dementieva
12 - Vaidisova

13 - Schnyder (She and the other 3 can be in any order here 13-16)
14 - Schiavone
15 - Groenefeld
16 - Hantuchova

Iffy between 8 and 9 for me.

:worship: at those potential quater-finals!!! :drool:

But I cant see the seedings going like that though.

Leo_DFP
Jun 8th, 2006, 04:38 PM
I am 100% against specialized surface seeding because it goes agains the whole principal of the rankings. However, the person who made this thread makes a good point. The Wimbledon seeding committee is sexist. Last year Roddick was bumped, but not Clijsters or Venus. Ridiculous.

Experimentee
Jun 8th, 2006, 04:39 PM
There shouldnt be different seedings for the women. They arent as surface specialised as the men. All the top women are decent on all surfaces.

alfajeffster
Jun 8th, 2006, 04:56 PM
...Last year Roddick was bumped, but not Clijsters or Venus. Ridiculous.

That's only because it feels better when Roddick bumps you than when Kim or Venus do.:devil:

mike/topgun
Jun 8th, 2006, 05:06 PM
I firmly believe all three should get top four seeding. However, I bet those old farts at Wimbledon will just go by rankings. And its just not fair. Venus and Lindsay deserve a top 4 seeding if they can do it for Henman and Roddick they can do it for Lindsay and Venus. And also I want an all American final.
And I can't see any chance neither:p
It's going to be a tough draw...and as for now it looks like Sveta is in RG finals.
Let's wait;)

E. Blackadder
Jun 8th, 2006, 05:11 PM
1. Amelie (you can't take away the #1 player from the #1 seed)
2. Venus (best grass courter ever and defending champ)
3. Maria
4. Justine
5. Kim

SelesFan70
Jun 8th, 2006, 05:13 PM
Why should Wimbledon do a special seeding? Is it their fault players don't play to keep their ranking up (whether by choice or injury)? And it really, really is going to annoy me when they give Henman a #32 seed. :mad:

crazillo
Jun 8th, 2006, 05:13 PM
Well, I don't like this at all. The worst example was Graf in 1998...

lizchris
Jun 8th, 2006, 05:22 PM
I think that it really sucks if Venus plays Amelie-Kim-Justine-Sharapova in the 4th round...

Believe me, none of them would look forward to seeing Venus in the fourth round of Wimbledon, especially Kim who doesn't play well on grass.

V-MAC
Jun 8th, 2006, 06:09 PM
I think a lot of people are missing the point here. It is regardless whether you think they should give the women special seedings or not, it is just down right wrong and unfair that they give special seedings to the men and not the women. I mean if they didn't give special seedings to the men, fair enough - no controversy, but they do and ignore the women :o :mad:

WF4EVER
Jun 8th, 2006, 06:09 PM
Why should Wimbledon do a special seeding? Is it their fault players don't play to keep their ranking up (whether by choice or injury)? And it really, really is going to annoy me when they give Henman a #32 seed. :mad:

Your questions should be directed at Wimby organisers. They are the ones who give special seeding. I doubt it's the players who have asked for it, so they're to blame for these seedings debaucles not the players.

My only problem with this whole thing is that they do it fo rthe men and not the women. It's unfair to do it for one and not the other. Frankly they can scrap the whole shit, for all I care, but it's obviously sexist to do it for the men and not the women.

OTOH, can you blame them, when was the last time a female Brit player was in the top seedings of Wimby? I wouldn't be surprised if they scrapped the idea this year since Henman is so far down in the rankings you need a microscope to see him. And how far can this specialized seeding go for Murray and Rusedski anyway? They would do well to end this shit now, because it hasn't served their purpose in the recent past (if ever) and it certainly won't in the near future.

Volcana
Jun 8th, 2006, 06:19 PM
There isn't going to be any controversy. They're just going to seed by ranking.

Further, if you aren't moving Venus to #1, why move her at all? She's been in five of the last six finals, and won three of them. If you're seeding according to grass court results, nobody outside of her sister even comes close.

However, when your last two champions were seeded #13 and #14, obviously your seedings aren't reflecting the actual ability of the players at your tournament.

RAA
Jun 8th, 2006, 06:23 PM
i'm less concerned with the "injustice" of special seeding for men vs women than I am about the unequal prize money...

cartmancop
Jun 8th, 2006, 06:25 PM
I think Venus, Maria & Lindsay, if healthy will all beat any of the other players on grass so seeding isn't really a big deal to me...

I do kind of think the men's special seeding sux though, you don't see the French Open seeding Roddick @ 32.. :lol:

Volcana
Jun 8th, 2006, 06:33 PM
I think a lot of people are missing the point here. It is regardless whether you think they should give the women special seedings or not, it is just down right wrong and unfair that they give special seedings to the men and not the women. I mean if they didn't give special seedings to the men, fair enough - no controversy, but they do and ignore the women :o :mad:There IS a level of practicality to that decision. The men's tour has a lot more players who only excel on one surface. Every year, they run into a situation where a lot of clay court 'specialists', who have no chance of winning Wimbledon, happen to be highly ranked. That doesn't happen on the women's tour. Sure there are highly ranked players who are better on clay, but none who excel on clay, but who are lousy on grass and/or hardcourts.

QUEENLINDSAY
Jun 8th, 2006, 06:39 PM
Seed with the rankings! Or else if Martina Navratilova enters, she should be seeded 1 if we go with the past results, lol!!!!!

Cyandream
Jun 9th, 2006, 02:57 AM
For the record, Wimbledon doesn't just seed the men willy nilly. Tim won't get seeded. You have to be in the top 32. There is also a formula that they use. Unless they have changed it it's ranking points ( as of the week before, in this case June 19th) + 100% of the grass tournaments in the last 52 weeks + 75% of the best tournament for the 52 weeks before that. Using that formula, Venus would be 2148.5, and since Lindsay with a Final and a SF would have more points than that, my guess would Venus would be seeded around 6 or 7.

LoveFifteen
Jun 9th, 2006, 03:04 AM
Honestly, Davenport can only benefit from a lower ranking. She's got a way better chance to beat Venus if it's NOT in the finals.

MH0861
Jun 9th, 2006, 03:26 AM
I think Venus should be given a 5-8 seed; Lindsay should be in the Top 8 by Wimbledon still so it shouldn't be a problem for her.

Hasn't Wimbledon special seeded Serena in the past?

MH0861
Jun 9th, 2006, 03:27 AM
Honestly, Davenport can only benefit from a lower ranking. She's got a way better chance to beat Venus if it's NOT in the finals.

Yep. See US Open: 2004.

bis2806
Jun 9th, 2006, 03:56 AM
Maria getting the no.1 seed :confused: Are you kidding me?

1handedwonder
Jun 9th, 2006, 04:53 AM
Didnt venus get two spots last year??

bello
Jun 9th, 2006, 05:03 AM
Im not a fan of special seedings...maybe bump up Venus to top 8 being defending champ and having a great grass record but that would be about all I would do

Volcana
Jun 9th, 2006, 05:07 AM
As an aside, Wimbledon used to have the ultimate seeding shift imaginable. The defending champion only had to play the final. The whole rest of the tournament was just a matter of deciding the challenger.

Seyz
Jun 9th, 2006, 05:21 AM
Well to show how silly it is,
didn't Venus break the record last year as being the lowest seeded player EVER to win Wimbledon?
I remember that distinctively. Well this year, she could break her last year's record I suppose. It'll just be one of many records that Venus breaks.

Marcus1979
Jun 9th, 2006, 05:32 AM
also I can't imagine players like Justine or Maria or Amelie being thrilled of playing Venus in R16

on what is her best surface

I feel Venus can win no matter what her seeding is.

LostGlory
Jun 9th, 2006, 06:13 AM
They've always changed the seeds and they never followed the ranking system, I think they probably prefer a glamorous Maria champion....

Cyandream
Jun 9th, 2006, 07:50 AM
They've always changed the seeds and they never followed the ranking system, I think they probably prefer a glamorous Maria champion....

The only time Wimbledon has ever adjusted the seeds for the women is when a player had special seeding coming back from an injury. The seeding suggestion came from the WTA not the Wimbledon tournament directors. However, the WTA has done away with special seeding so you won't be seeing that as far as I know.
But even if they were to apply the formula it wouldn't change how the top 3 were seeded. Maria would still come in at # 3, Kim at # 2 and Amelie at # 1.

DevilishAttitude
Jun 9th, 2006, 10:21 AM
:yawn: There will be no changes to the seedings. I don't think there ever has been in the womens event anyway.

I don't get why people care.

And in the mens, Henman's already said he won't be seeded, so that ends that arguement.

saki
Jun 9th, 2006, 10:28 AM
They have changed the womens' seedings before - they bumped Steffi to #2 over Lindsay in '99 - but that was a very special case. I wouldn't be suprised if they bump Venus to #8 but I'm not expecting them to either.