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selesbooz
May 6th, 2006, 11:28 PM
Players that should play big tournments are the one that have the potential to win them.

Play down:
Maria K
Dani - please i cant feel sorry for you any more
Ivanovic- has she ever played anything lower then a tier 2 :rolleyes:
Dechy - Well maybe she needs to retire
Myskina - Please, you need some wins


Play up:
Pennetta - does she play anything higher then a 3 :tape:
Santangelo - she at a point to see what she can do on a consistant basis against the top player
Vidasova(sp) - quit playing those small ones your better then that. pretty soon you wont be winning those
Vera Z - come back home

who else

Lemonskin.
May 6th, 2006, 11:46 PM
Ivanovic's only title came at a Tier IV :p

Mightymirza
May 6th, 2006, 11:54 PM
serena ...PLAY anywhere..But Play..:lol:
Schynder and Petrova maybe consider playing less...

Corswandt
May 6th, 2006, 11:58 PM
Excellent idea for a thread.

At a presser a couple of days ago, Emilie Loit spoke about this issue; she said she is playing down during the clay season so as to try to win a title. I suppose other player with relatively high rankings who enter TIII and even TIVs all the time use the same reasoning.

All selesbooz suggestions are good too. Except Santangelo; you must not forget that the figure for her ranking at the beginning of this season was twice what it is now, and her results vs top players last year include some horrendous losses (she did push Schnyder this year though). I have never seen her play, so I don't know to what extent her current ranking is inflated. Either way, playing smaller events whenever possible is probably the wisest course of action for her.

Pennetta's scheduling and all the lower tier events she enters may not be typical of a top 20 player, but is realistic. Consistency at smaller tournaments should be rewarded, too.

Play down:

Schiavone - to get a title
Pironkova - to get direct access to the MD; having to play qualifyings all the time is risky and wearying, and slows her rise in the rankings
Peschke - should have entered Prague; her season could have been marginally better if she played smaller events once in a while
Jankovic - perhaps the only way to get a few wins right now and restore her shattered confidence
Chakvetadze - judging from what I saw vs Ivanovic, she has the game to easily win a title at a lesser tournament

Play up:

Vaidisova - she must get try to get a big win over a top player this season, and to do that she has to enter big tournaments
Dulko - what she's been doing this season (clearing a couple of rounds before going down in flames) could just as well be done at bigger tournaments, given her ranking
Harkleroad - big tournament = top opponent = better excuse for a first round crash, and greater glory in case of a win

The_Pov
May 7th, 2006, 01:01 AM
Ivanovic's only title came at a Tier IV :p

Wow I didn't realise it was so low, at least Makiri's was a Tier II

Jakeev
May 7th, 2006, 01:13 AM
I just think a player should do what she has got to do. Amy Frazier in her later years decided she didn't want to travel out of the States after the U.S. Open so she plays in Challenger events.

She may not win that much money by going deep in the draw, but it saves her in travel costs that could get expensive if she loses early in an overseas tournament.

Every player has their reasons why they pick and choose tournaments. Lindsay played Bali last year. It was probably a tremendous boost to the tournament site and the fans who probably wouldn't get to see her compete.

Let em play.........

PLP
May 7th, 2006, 01:29 AM
Many posters keep suggesting that Hingis play down, but I disagree completely. It won't help her find her game, it wouldn't up her confidence, and wouldn't help her in the rankings much...She is already in a good position, after Berlin she has a great chance to be back in the top 20 with still no points to defend. Schiavone maybe, just 1 or 2 III's so she can get a title, that might give her a boost, same with Kirilenko. Why does Pennetta play so many lower tournies? She would probably do better to play some more I/II's

PLP
May 7th, 2006, 01:31 AM
I just think a player should do what she has got to do. Amy Frazier in her later years decided she didn't want to travel out of the States after the U.S. Open so she plays in Challenger events.

She may not win that much money by going deep in the draw, but it saves her in travel costs that could get expensive if she loses early in an overseas tournament.

Every player has their reasons why they pick and choose tournaments. Lindsay played Bali last year. It was probably a tremendous boost to the tournament site and the fans who probably wouldn't get to see her compete.

Let em play.........
Wow, I never realized that's what Amy was doing, she is still amazing, and I don't see the end coming anytime soon, good for her! I hope she has some good results in the next few GS's so she can get back in the top 30!

Summer Snow
May 7th, 2006, 01:36 AM
serena ...PLAY anywhere..But Play..:lol:
Schynder and Petrova maybe consider playing less...
:scratch: i will assume you didn't understand the purpose of this thread ;)

Mightymirza
May 7th, 2006, 02:02 AM
:scratch: i will assume you didn't understand the purpose of this thread ;)
I do...But cudnt resist this one... :p

Lulu.
May 7th, 2006, 02:03 AM
Play down:

Tatiana Golovin: She's shown that she can go far in the Teir I's. But She should play lower Tier's just to get over the "No title" barrier

Daniela Hantuchova - If she played lower tiers..she would have hand another title already! :rolleyes:

Ana Ivanovic- She is not quite ready to be playing Tier I's every week


Karolina Sprem- Self Explanitory



Play up:
Nicole Vaidisova- The only reason she got some much hype its because she won all those lower Tier tournaments last year she never had to beat a top player to win

Vera Zvonareva - Poor girl...needs confidence and this is the only way she will get it not by getting beat in the 1st round every week

Lulu.
May 7th, 2006, 02:04 AM
I do...But cudnt resist this one... :p



Who is your favorite again? :tape:

New_balls_please
May 7th, 2006, 02:07 AM
Play up: Lourdes Dominguez. She's playing the 75K+H of Jounieh this week :help:

njnetswill
May 7th, 2006, 02:07 AM
Jankovic needs to play down badly.

Sprem had this problem before, but it seems like her scheduling makes more sense now.

Marshmallow
May 7th, 2006, 02:46 AM
Daniela shoudl definetely play down. She can barely win matches. Just why is she still famous, she's not that pretty. She sometimes resembles an emu:

http://www.webfocus.co.nz/webfocus/photos/pic-emu.jpg

SzavayFi
May 7th, 2006, 02:52 AM
Daniela shoudl definetely play down. She can barely win matches. Just why is she still famous, she's not that pretty. She sometimes resembles an emu:

http://www.webfocus.co.nz/webfocus/photos/pic-emu.jpg
woah i just experienced the stupidest post of the year :speakles:

UDACHi
May 7th, 2006, 02:52 AM
Jankovic needs to play down. Chakvetadze could also bear to take a break from her Tier 1-Slam-Tier 2-Tier 2-Slam type schedule every so often.

Safarova should play up.

Marshmallow
May 7th, 2006, 02:58 AM
woah i just experienced the stupidest post of the year :speakles:

She does, sometimes she honestly looks like some kind of poultry. It could be her lips.

Josh.
May 7th, 2006, 02:59 AM
the problem wif dani playing the big tornements all the time is coz shes on the gold expemt list. if she doesnt play certian tornments, she gets finded a lot.

UDACHi
May 7th, 2006, 03:00 AM
Daniela plays crap against low ranked girls. Low tiers are a no-no.

SzavayFi
May 7th, 2006, 03:13 AM
She does, sometimes she honestly looks like some kind of poultry. It could be her lips.
you think she looks like poultry :tape: :help:

Vaidisova
May 7th, 2006, 03:14 AM
Nicole beat Nadia to win Bangkok last year.

This year she's only played one Tier III and ended up losing early. I agree though that she should play more bigger tournaments. Hopefully after Strasbourg Nicole won't have many more Tier III tournaments scheduled.

morningglory
May 7th, 2006, 03:16 AM
you think she looks like poultry :tape: :help:
Marshy's gay. Nuff said. ;)

Derek.
May 7th, 2006, 03:22 AM
Daniela plays crap against low ranked girls. Low tiers are a no-no.

Fo shizzle.


We all know what happened in 2004 when Daniela played a smaller tournament, Bell Challenge. :scared:

Derek.
May 7th, 2006, 03:23 AM
She does, sometimes she honestly looks like some kind of poultry. It could be her lips.

Sometimes you sound like an idiot. It could be your.. oh wait no, it's just you.

DutchieGirl
May 7th, 2006, 03:33 AM
Ivanovic's only title came at a Tier IV :p

Wasn't Canberra a Tier V when Ana won it? ;)

Summer Snow
May 7th, 2006, 03:34 AM
Jedem, shut up! anyways, Hantuchova needs to play lower tournaments IMO. She sucks to be playing Tier II's and I's. She really should play some lower Tier's to win another tournament and build confidence! :D

xin_hui
May 7th, 2006, 04:07 AM
play down:

hantuchova
schiavone (just for that title)
jankovic

play up:

penetta
vaidisova (stop going everywhere on the planet to win loads of tier 3s, she's becoming the new henrieta nagyova:o )
the chinese girls

Scotso
May 7th, 2006, 04:10 AM
Dechy should retire because?

And in this case, vice versa would mean smaller tournaments that need to play players.

njnetswill
May 7th, 2006, 04:13 AM
I actually think the Chinese girls should play down more often. Get their rankings up that way...Li Na and Peng made in into top 40 by making good runs at smaller tiers, though of course Peng also had that memorable run at San Diego.

Mightymirza
May 7th, 2006, 04:18 AM
Who is your favorite again? :tape:
its in my Sig...Mirza Juju and LenaD... :p If you are trying to be sarcastic, I dont get the point.. :confused:..Rena was never my fav but I would like her to come back and play for the sake of game and excitement..Whats wrong in that??Belgians,williamses,russians,youngsters all healthy and ready to battle would be great woudnt it...

Derek.
May 7th, 2006, 04:30 AM
its in my Sig...Mirza Juju and LenaD... :p If you are trying to be sarcastic, I dont get the point.. :confused:..Rena was never my fav but I would like her to come back and play for the sake of game and excitement..Whats wrong in that??Belgians,williamses,russians,youngsters all healthy and ready to battle would be great woudnt it...

She was basically saying that Mirza sucks compared to Serena. :o

Mightymirza
May 7th, 2006, 04:40 AM
She was basically saying that Mirza sucks compared to Serena. :o
Why :confused: ...Whats the relation...Of course Mirza cant be compared to Serena rt now... :confused:

andrewbroad
May 12th, 2006, 12:28 AM
Gold-exempt players are not allowed to play a Tier III/IV tournament in a week when there's a Tier I/II tournament (agree with this rule I do not).

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DutchieGirl
May 12th, 2006, 12:32 AM
Gold-exempt players are not allowed to play a Tier III/IV tournament in a week when there's a Tier I/II tournament (agree with this rule I do not).

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yeah - it sucks.

selyoink
May 12th, 2006, 12:37 AM
I think Benesova should play down. I'm not sure why she played Berlin this week especially since she is slumping when she could have played Prague.

azdaja
May 12th, 2006, 01:04 AM
Wow I didn't realise it was so low, at least Makiri's was a Tier II
yeah, but ana is still ranked above her :p with less tournaments played :p

i don't think ana needs to play smaller tournaments, at least not necessarily. she needs to play more often perhaps. of all the players in the top 50 she is among the 5 players who played the smallest number of tournaments. this is partly due to her injury from the last year and the injury from this week also isn't helping things, but she can improve her ranking more easily by playing big tournaments more often rather than by going for smaller ones.

Wiggly
May 12th, 2006, 01:12 AM
I think Benesova should play down. I'm not sure why she played Berlin this week especially since she is slumping when she could have played Prague.

I agree with you. She's in slump since 2005 (except AO) and she's playing Tier I and II where she lost in straights :rolleyes:

She could have win some matches in Prague...
I tought she woul play tournaments like Estoril, Prague, Rabat, etc to win pts on clya :o .

Daniela should play Bell Challenge (except if some local players are in the Main Draw :tape: , that was AWFUL.

So Iveta must play Tier III too (but playing Montreal would be a good idea too :angel: )

Mailin
May 12th, 2006, 04:19 AM
Nicole will play lots more higher tournaments this year :)! She won't even go to Asia to defend her titles ;)

Pheobo
May 12th, 2006, 04:39 AM
Harkleroad should definitely play smaller events to get some nice wins in...she has a good game, she just needs the confidence.

As for Santangelo...there's a reason she plays smaller tournaments.

Fingon
May 12th, 2006, 04:42 AM
Gold-exempt players are not allowed to play a Tier III/IV tournament in a week when there's a Tier I/II tournament (agree with this rule I do not).

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not exactly, 1-4 can't, the others can if they ask the wta for authorization and the tier II or above tournament already has the required commitments.

Fingon
May 12th, 2006, 04:44 AM
Daniela shoudl definetely play down. She can barely win matches. Just why is she still famous, she's not that pretty. She sometimes resembles an emu:

http://www.webfocus.co.nz/webfocus/photos/pic-emu.jpg

another pathetic attempt to look funny :rolleyes:

what does Daniela's look how to do with playing up or down?

Fingon
May 12th, 2006, 04:46 AM
Sometimes you sound like an idiot. It could be your.. oh wait no, it's just you.

it's his brain.

floco
May 12th, 2006, 07:41 AM
Dechy should retire because?

And in this case, vice versa would mean smaller tournaments that need to play players.
yeah, just because a player is in s slump, doesnt mean she should retire... She just has NO confidence at the moment - so i agree, she should definitely try to play lower tournaments.

Swiss_fan
May 12th, 2006, 10:21 AM
Daniela (Challengers)

furrykitten
May 12th, 2006, 10:24 AM
Daniela shoudl definetely play down. She can barely win matches. Just why is she still famous, she's not that pretty. She sometimes resembles an emu:

http://www.webfocus.co.nz/webfocus/photos/pic-emu.jpg


I can only assume you are having a laugh, cuz "you cannot be serious"!, as some famous tennis player once said. :lol: :bounce:

Infact heres a good rep because I thought it was funny anyway!
We all know Daniela is a total babe.

jonny84
May 12th, 2006, 10:30 AM
Jankovic should definitley play smaller events - to get wins again.

davidmario
May 12th, 2006, 10:31 AM
Kveta should play some lower events. Maybe she's playing these high ones, because she's so good in doubles and wants to make a lot of money (one TierII win and one TierI win this year) :confused:

DutchieGirl
May 12th, 2006, 12:16 PM
not exactly, 1-4 can't, the others can if they ask the wta for authorization and the tier II or above tournament already has the required commitments.

Wasn't it 1-6? Or did they change that too?

Uranus
May 12th, 2006, 03:20 PM
- Daniela (some straight wins)
- Vera (same, not to be forced to play against top 5 opponents in round two)
- Jelena Jankovic (win a match, please!)