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!<blocparty>!
Apr 17th, 2006, 04:06 PM
Monday April 17, 2006

A BNP rosette. Photograph: PA

Up to a quarter of voters are considering supporting the far right British National party, according to a draft report for a social policy research group.
The authors of the study for the Joseph Rowntree Reform Trust said today that feelings of "powerlessness and frustration" with the main political parties had led to increasing numbers indicating that they might vote for the BNP.

The claims follow a warning by the employment minister, Margaret Hodge, that disillusioned white, working-class voters were deserting Labour for the BNP. She said that as many as eight out of 10 white families in her Barking constituency in east London admitted that they were tempted to vote BNP in forthcoming council elections.

One of the study's authors, Professor Peter John of Manchester University, said the research suggested many voters in white working-class areas feel their concerns are ignored.
"They think they have been let down by the main parties. They feel their voices have not been heard, the main parties have ignored them," he told the BBC's Today programme.

"I think if I was in the main parties, I would be worried about this, that I have not talked about an issue which one of my core constituencies thinks is important."

He said that focus groups were conducted with voters in east London as part of the Rowntree report, but stressed that the levels of underlying support uncovered by the report would not necessarily translate into electoral success for the BNP.

"This is a very hypothetical question. It is not what party you will vote for, but who you might vote for. The idea is to try to tap into some underlying attitudes which may translate into electoral support, but may not and in the past have not," he said.

The study also analysed the wards in which the BNP enjoyed most support and found they were "white working-class areas" with little racial diversity, Prof John said.

He also accused the BNP of spreading "myths" which had particular potency in areas experiencing significant levels of change.

Phill Edwards, a BNP spokesman, said that during the last 40 years Britain had been transformed from "a racially homogeneous society" into one "where the cultures are now quite alien".

"That does add quite a lot of tensions and stresses," he said. "There are borders around countries. People require passports to move around. Borders are there to protect population groups, to give security and freedom, democracy and identity to population groups.

"These people shouldn't just be allowed to wander wherever they like. The fact of the matter is that people who come from these countries in the Third World, many of them do not share our culture and identity. They bring with them their internecine, inter-tribal warfare, they bring with them ailments and diseases and it does cause a lot of frustration."

The Home Office minister, Andy Burnham, said indications of growing readiness to consider a vote for the BNP reflected a trend towards protest voting, especially at local elections, but he played down the significance of the party's threat.

"When people hear their views, I think they will see them for what they are," he told Today. "But there is a danger in giving undue prominence to the threat that they pose. They pose a very localised threat and I am worried that if we give them too much coverage, it can back up the notion that they are a potent protest vote.

"Let's give them the coverage they deserve, in my view, which is very little."

The BNP launched its local election manifesto on Good Friday and said it was "standing for local freedom, security, identity, democracy" and putting "Britain first".

The party, which has 24 local councillors, said 356 candidates would stand for election next month.

According to analysis by the anti-fascist group Searchlight, the BNP is within a 5% swing of winning 70 council seats.

"They are posing a much bigger electoral threat than they have," Searchlight's director of research, Nick Lowles, said.

The BNP was increasing its anti-Muslim rhetoric in the wake of the July 7 bombings and the Danish cartoon row, he addded. The party was also benefiting from disillusionment among Labour voters, and the Tories' apparent shift to the centre, which had left a gap on the right.

Ms Hodge told the Sunday Telegraph that for the first time white working class people were no longer ashamed to say they will vote BNP.

"When I knock on doors I say to people 'Are you tempted to vote BNP?' and many, many, many - eight out of 10 of the white families - say yes." she said. "That's something we have never seen before, in all my years, even when people voted BNP they used to be ashamed to vote BNP. Now they are not.

The BNP is standing in seven of the 17 wards in Barking and Searchlight predicts it will get 20-30% of the vote. The party secured 16.9% of the vote in Barking in the 2005 general election. In neighbouring Dagenham, its vote was 9%.

I agree with Andy. :lol:

SelesFan70
Apr 17th, 2006, 04:10 PM
The pendulum will always swing back the other way...eventually, so it's time another conservative "revolution" in Great Britain. :)

CondiLicious
Apr 17th, 2006, 04:16 PM
BNP are hateful bastards.

!<blocparty>!
Apr 17th, 2006, 04:20 PM
Can you just sit there and watch as our country is being ripped apart by the forces of multiculturalism? The BNP cannot do anything without your full and active support - join, donate, get involved. Today is the day to do something.

:scared:

!<blocparty>!
Apr 17th, 2006, 04:21 PM
Feeling despondent or depressed, perhaps bewildered by daily events?
Feeling angry about news the newspapers and television stations are reporting?
Feeling ignored, abandoned and forgotten by Blair's regime?
Feeling ripped off by the Big Brother Government and the corporate giants?
Feeling exploited, over taxed but unrepresented on your local council or in parliament?
You are not alone.

Millions - your next door neighbours, others in your street, your village, district, suburb and housing estate - feel exactly the same way. Many good people, just like yourself are afraid to make too many comments publicly because it is seen as a sin to make mention of one's fears and concerns. Well there is a solution, an answer to your understandable concerns and that is to look at the pages of the website of the British National Party. If you agree with what we say, then stop remaining silent, work with us to regain control of our country and our future.

:o

decemberlove
Apr 17th, 2006, 04:30 PM
:scared:

CondiLicious
Apr 17th, 2006, 04:34 PM
I mean... I'm pissed off that so many people in my town can barely speak English and so far don't even seem to be making the effort to learn (and then they try and make me seem like it's *my* fault that I can't understand *them*) but I wouldn't ever be tempted to vote BNP.

Grachka
Apr 17th, 2006, 04:35 PM
I mean... I'm pissed off that so many people in my town can barely speak English and so far don't even seem to be making the effort to learn (and then they try and make me seem like it's *my* fault that I can't understand *them*) but I wouldn't ever be tempted to vote BNP.
The question is whether they should be made to learn English or not.

Which they shouldn't, of course.

decemberlove
Apr 17th, 2006, 04:38 PM
Ooh, Grachka. :drool:

CondiLicious
Apr 17th, 2006, 04:39 PM
The question is whether they should be made to learn English or not.

Which they shouldn't, of course.

No but they shouldn't throw tantrums when I and my staff can't understand what they're trying to say, even though we're all being polite and trying our best. So many do it.

Grachka
Apr 17th, 2006, 04:47 PM
Ooh, Grachka. :drool:
;)

No but they shouldn't throw tantrums when I and my staff can't understand what they're trying to say, even though we're all being polite and trying our best. So many do it.
That's true. But they'll generally find that if they want to work a decent job, and participate fully in society, that they'll have to learn it to a decent degree. Everyone has the right to speak in their own language, but they have to respect everyone else's too.

CondiLicious
Apr 17th, 2006, 04:56 PM
;)


That's true. But they'll generally find that if they want to work a decent job, and participate fully in society, that they'll have to learn it to a decent degree. Everyone has the right to speak in their own language, but they have to respect everyone else's too.

True. My issue really isn't that they can't speak English it's that so many of the Polish people that have come to my area to get work are so rude when they can't make themselves understood. I don't like being shouted at :sad:

But I know lots of British people (like my mum :o ) when they go abroad and can't speak the language they raise their voices and get obnoxious, as if that's going to help!

Grachka
Apr 17th, 2006, 05:02 PM
True. My issue really isn't that they can't speak English it's that so many of the Polish people that have come to my area to get work are so rude when they can't make themselves understood. I don't like being shouted at :sad:

But I know lots of British people (like my mum :o ) when they go abroad and can't speak the language they raise their voices and get obnoxious, as if that's going to help!
At least it's not like when people go to France, can't speak French enough to get understood, so they speak English with a French accent :tape: My best friend did this to my embarrassment :o

decemberlove
Apr 17th, 2006, 05:04 PM
At least it's not like when people go to France, can't speak French enough to get understood, so they speak English with a French accent :tape: My best friend did this to my embarrassment :o

:lol: My boyfriend did that when we were in Italy. I really don't understand the thought process of a person who does this.

I ate all my red grapes on Saturday. I need more. :sad:

Scotso
Apr 17th, 2006, 05:24 PM
I hate Nazis.

dementieva's fan
Apr 17th, 2006, 05:37 PM
'V for Vendetta' might become a reality afterall :unsure:

Martian Willow
Apr 17th, 2006, 05:42 PM
where is that BNP troll willow? She'll be happy to hear this.



I need someone to read it to me. Too many long words innit. :crying2:

!<blocparty>!
Apr 17th, 2006, 05:46 PM
where is that BNP troll willow? She'll be happy to hear this.

People have and will prolly always use 'the others'/immigrants as scapegoats to the problems of their society...instead of really dealing with the real issues. *sighs*

She backs Labour, apparently. :)

Pengwin
Apr 17th, 2006, 06:00 PM
I didn't think we were that desperate. Britain has never been known for radicalsm, I think it's all a bit much ado about nothing.

After all our policial system prevents them getting any representation in the house of commons, they won't have any real say in how our lives are run and they are effectively powerless.

On the other hand, Labour only got 35% of the popular vote in the last general election.

:scared:

!<blocparty>!
Apr 17th, 2006, 06:05 PM
What I don't understand is.. how do they expect our economy to grow if we get rid of all of the ethnic minorites, surely they make up a big percentage of the primary sector workforce.

Monica_Rules
Apr 17th, 2006, 06:06 PM
Personally i am not suprised.

I hate the BNP and what they stand for but i can understand why people are thinking of turning to them. When you speak to people who are 40+ and are having to compete with cheap labourours from abroad when they have spent there whole life in a profession training to be a certain standard you might get pissed off.

I do think it should be a requirement to live in the UK though that you can speak english to a certain level. If u can't you should be taugh english.

Grachka
Apr 17th, 2006, 06:25 PM
"That does add quite a lot of tensions and stresses," he said. "There are borders around countries. People require passports to move around. Borders are there to protect population groups, to give security and freedom, democracy and identity to population groups.

"These people shouldn't just be allowed to wander wherever they like. The fact of the matter is that people who come from these countries in the Third World, many of them do not share our culture and identity. They bring with them their internecine, inter-tribal warfare, they bring with them ailments and diseases and it does cause a lot of frustration."
1. There are borders around countries to distinguish between peoples, that is true. They are not designed to keep other out, like this man implies.

2. He makes some wild assumptions about the attitudes of people coming in. To say that immigrants are prone to internecine and inter-tribal warfare suggests that this is some sort of physiological phenomenon, whereas most asylum seeking immigrants are actually escaping such problems, so are not the cause of them. The primary cause of immigrating to the UK is economic anyway, and nothing to do with some sort of inherent troublemaking.

3. "They bring with them ailments and diseases and it does cause a lot of frustration". This is quite frightening, and utter bollocks.

4. He talks about how borders define identity within a nation. However, he neglects to mention that there are four nations within the UK, all with their own borders, and thus (by his logic) their own distinct culture that is in need of protection from each other. The reason he doesn't campaign to keep Scots out of England and vice versa? We speak the same language, and generally look the same. The BNP's reasoning is based on ethnic, superficial grounds. Their 'culture' is ignorance and xenophobia, and his solution is a dangerous sort of ethno-nationalism.

Martian Willow
Apr 17th, 2006, 06:30 PM
I don't know what 'our culture' is. I don't think I'd want to be part of it if I did.

Hes also confusing culture with race. Because hes not very bright. :)

!<blocparty>!
Apr 17th, 2006, 06:34 PM
That was an inside joke, that you obviously missed...someone a long time ago called her a BNP troll or sumfink:)

Oh OK LOL. Yeah I missed that. :p

smiler
Apr 17th, 2006, 07:05 PM
I would never vote BNP, but I can understand peoples frustrations. For an example, I used to work answering emergency calls, and they were taking on people who really struggled with the english language, and whose accents you could bearly understand. If I was in trouble, there's no way I'd want them to answer my call. It still makes me angry to think about it - they simply shouldn't be working there.

Pengwin
Apr 17th, 2006, 07:08 PM
I would never vote BNP, but I can understand peoples frustrations. For an example, I used to work answering emergency calls, and they were taking on people who really struggled with the english language, and whose accents you could bearly understand. If I was in trouble, there's no way I'd want them to answer my call. It still makes me angry to think about it - they simply shouldn't be working there.

The question is, would you rather have your call answered by an African or Asian or have noone there at all to answer your call because of the lack of unskilled workers in this country?

smiler
Apr 17th, 2006, 07:22 PM
']The question is, would you rather have your call answered by an African or Asian or have noone there at all to answer your call because of the lack of unskilled workers in this country?

Trust me there are ample unskilled native english speakers to cover emergancy calls. There's a reason why emergency calls are kept to uk call centres only, and we should stick to that. I'm 99% sure that the only reason they take on these people is to keep the company's averages up, they have to be seen to be taking on a good mix of ethnic origins (and disabled people).

NOTE: my issue is not with skin colour, it is with ability to speak the language, and to be understood..., a very strong regional accent would be just as bad.

ps are you calling me unskilled? :o (you're not wrong :lol: )

Halardfan
Apr 17th, 2006, 08:57 PM
I don't think anything like that number will ever vote for the BNP, outside of certain small pockets of support, they remain a fringe party, and are simply scumbags leeching off a mixture of people's legitimate concerns and paranoid delusions.

At heart though, they are out and out racists, pure and simple...anything else is just window dressing.

wally1
Apr 17th, 2006, 09:10 PM
I don't know what 'our culture' is. I don't think I'd want to be part of it if I did.

Hes also confusing culture with race. Because hes not very bright. :)I guess that's what multiculturalism brings. It becomes very difficult or even impossible to define the culture of a nation such as the UK or even England. Whether you think that's good or bad (or even matters at all as we're all individuals) depends on your point of view...

Kart
Apr 17th, 2006, 09:56 PM
The BNP makes me laugh.

It also makes me glad I live in London though.

flyingmachine
Apr 17th, 2006, 10:04 PM
where is that BNP troll willow? She'll be happy to hear this.

People have and will prolly always use 'the others'/immigrants as scapegoats to the problems of their society...instead of really dealing with the real issues. *sighs*

That's right! Too many people are blaming others or other groups for their problems which something that I hate to see. :mad:
However I have to disagree with you on willow. She is more likely to be a communist than she ever be on the far right. :tape:

flyingmachine
Apr 17th, 2006, 10:12 PM
I don't think anything like that number will ever vote for the BNP, outside of certain small pockets of support, they remain a fringe party, and are simply scumbags leeching off a mixture of people's legitimate concerns and paranoid delusions.

At heart though, they are out and out racists, pure and simple...anything else is just window dressing.
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