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Mother_Marjorie
Apr 12th, 2006, 01:41 AM
Reaction grows to gay student's expulsion
OTHER CUMBERLANDS STUDENTS EXPRESS HURT, CONFUSION
By Jamie Gumbrecht
HERALD-LEADER CULTURE WRITER

Poll | Should the Baptist University of the Cumberlands receive state aid if itís going to ban gay students?

Legislator says school shouldn't get funds

The news that his boyfriend, Jason Johnson, was expelled from University of the Cumberlands was still sinking in when Zac Dreyer sat at a computer to spread the news.

"He is being asked to leave the university because he is gay," Dreyer wrote Thursday on the Web site MySpace.com, the same site school officials used to confront Johnson. "Help get the story out there so that all the gays and lesbians at the university will no longer have to live in secrecy, in fear of having their dreams crushed in front of them."

Within a few hours, friends and students at the small Baptist college in Williamsburg were commenting in blogs about Johnson's expulsion. The buzz grew over the weekend, and by yesterday the issue drew reaction from legislators in Frankfort and on gay advocacy organizations' Web sites nationwide.

Johnson, a sophomore majoring in theater arts, was expelled from the university Thursday because he declared online that he is gay. In a statement released last week, the university's president, Jim Taylor said students are held to a "higher standard" and that "students know the rules before they come to this institution."

But a copy of the student handbook provided by the university confirmed the policy was not spelled out in 2003-04, when Johnson chose to attend. The school did not provide a copy of the policy for the 2004-05 school year. The 2005-06 student handbook says: "Any student who engages in or promotes sexual behavior not consistent with Christian principles (including sex outside marriage and homosexuality) may be suspended or asked to withdraw."

School officials said that although the 2003-04 policy did not explicitly mention homosexuality, it did say that students must "conduct themselves, on and off the campus, in a manner which is consistent with the objectives of the College and with its standards of conduct."

After Dreyer's Web post on Thursday, students' blogs showed mixed reactions. Some said they don't like homosexual behavior, but they didn't think the school should expel people just a few weeks before the end of the term. Others wrote that rules must be followed, but they would miss their friend, who was supposed to stage-manage a production of As You Like It last week. Some were furious, cursing at the university. Some were hurt, praying for God to guide them through a complicated time. The expulsion, some wrote, is tearing the campus apart.

Renee Kuder, a University of the Cumberlands senior and a friend of Johnson, says many students worry they'll be punished if they discuss the case online or in the media. Some students declined to comment for this story, or did not return messages.

The school did not comment on the issue yesterday.

But some students are publicly questioning the school's values, Kuder said. Many wore shirts yesterday with "God loves my gay friends" printed on them and are waiting for Johnson to let them know the best response to the university.

"They're being hypocritical, by Christian standards," Kuder said. "If we love each other, accept each other for who we are, why are they kicking him out? I almost feel like they're trying to mold us, me, into a person that I wouldn't want to be.

"There's a letter in the student handbook that says everyone is a unique creation of God, you're special, we care about you. They didn't care if he didn't have a place to go. They could have pretty much ruined his life."

Johnson was confronted by two school officials Thursday. They showed Johnson his profile on MySpace.com, where he wrote about his boyfriend, then showed him the 2005-06 student handbook policy.

Johnson left the meeting with a letter that required him to leave the university that night. His parents, who helped him choose the Baptist school two years earlier, were "outraged," he said. Along with Dreyer, who attends Eastern Kentucky University, they helped him move out of the dorm within hours.

"I was upset to the point that I couldn't speak. I didn't even want to ask about it," said Johnson, a Lafayette High School graduate, who is considering attending the University of Kentucky or Eastern Kentucky University next fall. "I wanted to be out of there."

Johnson, who is considering legal action against the university, said students shouldn't question their faith, but they should question their personal beliefs.

"What I would hope is that their faith is renewed because people are standing up for what they believe in," Johnson said. "It has strengthened my resolve, my beliefs, my faith, seeing the love and support."

Scotso
Apr 12th, 2006, 02:35 AM
Why is a religious private school getting state funds in the first place? I don't see why a gay person would want to go to a baptist school.

ZeroSOFInfinity
Apr 12th, 2006, 02:39 AM
I don't like gays, but I respect their rights and decisions, as they are still human beings. So what if he's gay? Does the college have any right to expel him just because of his sexuality?

This is a great insult to the college student... he should sue the pants out of the college.

Scotso
Apr 12th, 2006, 02:46 AM
I don't like gays

:retard:

CondiLicious
Apr 12th, 2006, 02:55 AM
I don't like gays

The feeling is mutual, straighty.

ZeroSOFInfinity
Apr 12th, 2006, 03:02 AM
Well, I said I don't like gays, but that doesn't mean I hate them :wavey:

LoveFifteen
Apr 12th, 2006, 03:47 AM
I don't like gays

I don't know what I find more disgusting ... your dislike of gays ...

or the fact that you're a Justine fan! :scared:

CJ07
Apr 12th, 2006, 03:52 AM
Eh, I mean I suppose I can understand the school's reasoning, but I can't back it.

They'd have to expel the fornicators, liers, adulterers, stealers, gamblers, etc. to justify this. And that'd be a hell of a lot of kids on that campus.

While they should be able to exclude people who deviate from the schools teachings, they have to do it to all of them, not just ones they feel like.

Its really a shame that homosexuals have to deal with this crap. They're being singled out for no reason, its really stupid.

(Oh my God I didn't say something bigoted/racist/sexist/homophobic! :eek: )

Vincent
Apr 12th, 2006, 03:59 AM
Showing dislikeness to homosexuals here, not necessarily HATENESS, is big enough a trouble for you.

And I fail to see the reason why you have such a tendency. :(

LoveFifteen
Apr 12th, 2006, 03:59 AM
I am gay. I think the school has the right to expel the kid if it's in their rules. However, they shouldn't be taking federal funds if they are a religious school.

What stinks is that gays are singled out like this. The school doesn't actively seek out and expel all the kids that break its code of conduct rules. For example, divorce is a sin according to the Bible, but I doubt they expel students who get divorced, nor fire faculty members who get divorced.

In my opinion, the school should expel the true sinners: Henin fans! :devil: :tape:

ZeroSOFInfinity
Apr 12th, 2006, 04:10 AM
It's just a DISLIKE... is that a crime?

If I organise a rally that gays are sins and should be punished, or joining hate groups and condemn gays, that is HATE. And that is a bad thing.

All I said was that I DISLIKE GAYS and all of you jumped at me. :confused:

Disliking someone doesn't necessary mean that I hate that person. I might avoid the person, but I won't go as far as beating him up or throwing stones.

Sense, people. Sense. :wavey:

CJ07
Apr 12th, 2006, 04:15 AM
Reaction grows to gay student's expulsion
OTHER CUMBERLANDS STUDENTS EXPRESS HURT, CONFUSION
By Jamie Gumbrecht
HERALD-LEADER CULTURE WRITER

Poll | Should the Baptist University of the Cumberlands receive state aid if itís going to ban gay students?

Legislator says school shouldn't get funds

The news that his boyfriend, Jason Johnson, was expelled from University of the Cumberlands was still sinking in when Zac Dreyer sat at a computer to spread the news.

"He is being asked to leave the university because he is gay," Dreyer wrote Thursday on the Web site MySpace.com, the same site school officials used to confront Johnson. "Help get the story out there so that all the gays and lesbians at the university will no longer have to live in secrecy, in fear of having their dreams crushed in front of them."

Within a few hours, friends and students at the small Baptist college in Williamsburg were commenting in blogs about Johnson's expulsion. The buzz grew over the weekend, and by yesterday the issue drew reaction from legislators in Frankfort and on gay advocacy organizations' Web sites nationwide.

Johnson, a sophomore majoring in theater arts, was expelled from the university Thursday because he declared online that he is gay. In a statement released last week, the university's president, Jim Taylor said students are held to a "higher standard" and that "students know the rules before they come to this institution."

But a copy of the student handbook provided by the university confirmed the policy was not spelled out in 2003-04, when Johnson chose to attend. The school did not provide a copy of the policy for the 2004-05 school year. The 2005-06 student handbook says: "Any student who engages in or promotes sexual behavior not consistent with Christian principles (including sex outside marriage and homosexuality) may be suspended or asked to withdraw."

School officials said that although the 2003-04 policy did not explicitly mention homosexuality, it did say that students must "conduct themselves, on and off the campus, in a manner which is consistent with the objectives of the College and with its standards of conduct."

After Dreyer's Web post on Thursday, students' blogs showed mixed reactions. Some said they don't like homosexual behavior, but they didn't think the school should expel people just a few weeks before the end of the term. Others wrote that rules must be followed, but they would miss their friend, who was supposed to stage-manage a production of As You Like It last week. Some were furious, cursing at the university. Some were hurt, praying for God to guide them through a complicated time. The expulsion, some wrote, is tearing the campus apart.

Renee Kuder, a University of the Cumberlands senior and a friend of Johnson, says many students worry they'll be punished if they discuss the case online or in the media. Some students declined to comment for this story, or did not return messages.

The school did not comment on the issue yesterday.

But some students are publicly questioning the school's values, Kuder said. Many wore shirts yesterday with "God loves my gay friends" printed on them and are waiting for Johnson to let them know the best response to the university.

"They're being hypocritical, by Christian standards," Kuder said. "If we love each other, accept each other for who we are, why are they kicking him out? I almost feel like they're trying to mold us, me, into a person that I wouldn't want to be.

"There's a letter in the student handbook that says everyone is a unique creation of God, you're special, we care about you. They didn't care if he didn't have a place to go. They could have pretty much ruined his life."

Johnson was confronted by two school officials Thursday. They showed Johnson his profile on MySpace.com, where he wrote about his boyfriend, then showed him the 2005-06 student handbook policy.

Johnson left the meeting with a letter that required him to leave the university that night. His parents, who helped him choose the Baptist school two years earlier, were "outraged," he said. Along with Dreyer, who attends Eastern Kentucky University, they helped him move out of the dorm within hours.

"I was upset to the point that I couldn't speak. I didn't even want to ask about it," said Johnson, a Lafayette High School graduate, who is considering attending the University of Kentucky or Eastern Kentucky University next fall. "I wanted to be out of there."

Johnson, who is considering legal action against the university, said students shouldn't question their faith, but they should question their personal beliefs.

"What I would hope is that their faith is renewed because people are standing up for what they believe in," Johnson said. "It has strengthened my resolve, my beliefs, my faith, seeing the love and support."
link?

ZeroSOFInfinity
Apr 12th, 2006, 04:50 AM
Oh by the way, I am not upset by the badreps you all are giving me, and I don't take heart of your comments here. It's just that our thinking and understanding are different. :)

tterb
Apr 12th, 2006, 05:10 AM
It's just that our thinking and understanding are different.
I think what's different is your lack of thinking and understanding. You said you dislike an entire group of people. There's no way you've met every gay person, and saying you dislike all of them before meeting them is wrong. Even if you consider homosexuality a sin, and gays sinners, I assume you don't also claim to dislike everyone who has ever gotten a divorce, or had premarital sex, or lied, etc. etc. etc. If you don't understand why your statement is messed up, I can't help you much further. It's an example of bigotted thinking at its finest (or worst, I should say).

SelesFan70
Apr 12th, 2006, 05:29 AM
Why is a religious private school getting state funds in the first place? I don't see why a gay person would want to go to a baptist school.


Agreed on both counts :shrug:

ZeroSOFInfinity
Apr 12th, 2006, 05:36 AM
I think what's different is your lack of thinking and understanding. You said you dislike an entire group of people. There's no way you've met every gay person, and saying you dislike all of them before meeting them is wrong. Even if you consider homosexuality a sin, and gays sinners, I assume you don't also claim to dislike everyone who has ever gotten a divorce, or had premarital sex, or lied, etc. etc. etc. If you don't understand why your statement is messed up, I can't help you much further. It's an example of bigotted thinking at its finest (or worst, I should say).

Tterb, while I said I dislike gays, I don't go heckling at them and say that "you're a sinner" or "you're rubbish to the society".

And I do respect them. If they ask for a favour (other than sexual), I would be glad to help. They are human after all. If one of them works for me, and he's the best employee in the company, I'll promote and reward him, even though he's gay and everyone else disapproves it.

One more thing - try not to interpret the word "dislike" too broadly. Sometimes the meaning is different, and after observing closely, then you will understand the real meaning.

It's OK... guess some are thinking that I said the wrong word. Some think I dislike gays. Some think I hate them. Not everyone thinks the same.

timafi
Apr 12th, 2006, 05:51 AM
Tterb, while I said I dislike gays, I don't go heckling at them and say that "you're a sinner" or "you're rubbish to the society".

And I do respect them. If they ask for a favour (other than sexual), I would be glad to help. They are human after all. If one of them works for me, and he's the best employee in the company, I'll promote and reward him, even though he's gay and everyone else disapproves it.

One more thing - try not to interpret the word "dislike" too broadly. Sometimes the meaning is different, and after observing closely, then you will understand the real meaning.

It's OK... guess some are thinking that I said the wrong word. Some think I dislike gays. Some think I hate them. Not everyone thinks the same.
now why would they ask sexual favors from you mate? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
and what makes you think everyone else disaproves of gay people? :mad: :mad:

ZeroSOFInfinity
Apr 12th, 2006, 06:04 AM
now why would they ask sexual favors from you mate? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
and what makes you think everyone else disaproves of gay people? :mad: :mad:

First question - I am straight.

On the second question - my brother and some of my friends CONDEMNS and CURSES them to Hell. When they see guys holding hands, they say ALOUD that they are "shame to society and God".

Scotso
Apr 12th, 2006, 06:27 AM
It's just a DISLIKE... is that a crime?

If I organise a rally that gays are sins and should be punished, or joining hate groups and condemn gays, that is HATE. And that is a bad thing.

All I said was that I DISLIKE GAYS and all of you jumped at me. :confused:

Disliking someone doesn't necessary mean that I hate that person. I might avoid the person, but I won't go as far as beating him up or throwing stones.

Sense, people. Sense. :wavey:

What's a crime is disliking an entire group of people for something that really doesn't affect their personalities. Typically it's nice to meet people before you deside you don't like them.

Scotso
Apr 12th, 2006, 06:27 AM
I think what's different is your lack of thinking and understanding. You said you dislike an entire group of people. There's no way you've met every gay person, and saying you dislike all of them before meeting them is wrong. Even if you consider homosexuality a sin, and gays sinners, I assume you don't also claim to dislike everyone who has ever gotten a divorce, or had premarital sex, or lied, etc. etc. etc. If you don't understand why your statement is messed up, I can't help you much further. It's an example of bigotted thinking at its finest (or worst, I should say).

Oops, you beat me to it. I'd rep you for this, but I can't again.

Junex
Apr 12th, 2006, 06:29 AM
First question - I am straight.

On the second question - my brother and some of my friends CONDEMNS and CURSES them to Hell. When they see guys holding hands, they say ALOUD that they are "shame to society and God".


Shame on you!!!!

Im just hoping you are not in KL....

Scotso
Apr 12th, 2006, 06:29 AM
First question - I am straight.

You think gay people want to have sex with you because you're straight?

Marcus1979
Apr 12th, 2006, 06:47 AM
You think gay people want to have sex with you because you're straight?

str8 people have major ego issues

they think they are just irresistible to the gay community

gays do have standards u know :lol:

tterb
Apr 12th, 2006, 06:52 AM
Tterb, while I said I dislike gays, I don't go heckling at them and say that "you're a sinner" or "you're rubbish to the society".

And I do respect them. If they ask for a favour (other than sexual), I would be glad to help. They are human after all. If one of them works for me, and he's the best employee in the company, I'll promote and reward him, even though he's gay and everyone else disapproves it.

One more thing - try not to interpret the word "dislike" too broadly. Sometimes the meaning is different, and after observing closely, then you will understand the real meaning.

It's OK... guess some are thinking that I said the wrong word. Some think I dislike gays. Some think I hate them. Not everyone thinks the same.
So many words, but so little actual explanation. It doesn't matter whether you "hate" gays, or merely "dislike" them. Similarly, it makes little difference to me that you keep quiet about your views rather than openly discriminating. You're still claiming that if someone is gay, you will dislike them before even meeting them. I'd bet you have known and liked gay people who just never told you about their sexuality, so you assumed they were straight. Put simply, it's ridiculous to judge a person based on one aspect of their personality. Gays can be good or bad people, just like straights - the only way to judge whether you like someone or not is on an individual basis. This should be basic, basic knowledge here.

ZeroSOFInfinity
Apr 12th, 2006, 07:56 AM
Oh well, since it's the way you guys think, I guess I can't do much but to stop my explanations and arguements here. It's pointless fighting on... hurting more and more people each time.

Have a nice day :wavey: . No hard feelings :kiss:

LoveFifteen
Apr 12th, 2006, 09:00 AM
You know, ZeroSOFInfinity, I want to criticize you for your narrow-minded homophobia, but I'd be a hypocrite. I am just as narrow-minded and stupidly prejudiced. I think Henin fans are "rubbish to society". :lol:

Why do Henin fans want to ask sexual favors of me? Cuz I'm a Hingis fan, of course!

(Can someone send me a PM telling me how to put this idiot ZeroSOFInfinity on ignore. Thanks! :hearts: )

CooCooCachoo
Apr 12th, 2006, 10:52 AM
I don't like gays,

:rolls:

How can you dislike an entire group of people based on one characteristic?

It's like saying, I don't like people over the age of forty. Or I don't like left-handed people. Or I don't like people with red hair. Or people that limp.

:tape: :retard:

Most ridiculous post of the week! And with all the ridiculous posts on this board, I have to congratulate you. Here a :kiss: from a gay guy.

CooCooCachoo
Apr 12th, 2006, 10:53 AM
I am gay. I think the school has the right to expel the kid if it's in their rules. However, they shouldn't be taking federal funds if they are a religious school.

What stinks is that gays are singled out like this. The school doesn't actively seek out and expel all the kids that break its code of conduct rules. For example, divorce is a sin according to the Bible, but I doubt they expel students who get divorced, nor fire faculty members who get divorced.

In my opinion, the school should expel the true sinners: Henin fans! :devil: :tape:

I don't think a school with such rules should be allowed to exist. I am pretty sure that here, in The Netherlands, such rules would be intolerable.

CooCooCachoo
Apr 12th, 2006, 10:55 AM
You think gay people want to have sex with you because you're straight?

Don't we horrible gays dream about humping every straight guy we see in sight. Aren't we pre-programmed to have sex with every non-gay guy?

:unsure:

Craigy
Apr 12th, 2006, 10:58 AM
Don't we horrible gays dream about humping every straight guy we see in sight. Aren't we pre-programmed to have sex with every non-gay guy?

:unsure:
:lol: