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Deimos
Aug 27th, 2005, 04:54 PM
This seemed like a very sexist article, with no wit in it to redeem it. Why on earth do they want this fellow's opinions?


from CNN:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/justin_gimelstob/08/25/nobody.safe/index.html

Justin Gimelstob has played on the ATP men's professional tennis tour for nine years, winning 12 doubles titles during that span. Over the course of his career, he has developed a reputation for being opinionated and outspoken. Luckily for SI.com, he'll be writing entries every few days from the U.S. Open, where he'll be competing.

I think "Nobody's safe" is an appropriate title for my first blog entry. As long as you enjoy my opinions and insights, I am going to give them to you. Some might be controversial, some might be humorous, but all will be honest and, hopefully, thought-provoking. With that said, my first target is ... the women on tour.

Both the ATP and WTA have made a conscious effort to create as many co-ed tournaments as possible outside of the Grand Slam events. I completely agree with the initiative and think it's great for the game and the spectators. However, there are some annoying things sharing a site with women entails.

As dysfunctional as the men's tour is, the women's tour blows it away. For example, it's impossible for there to be enough practice courts for men and women to share without some kind of bickering. This is probably because of the fact that women have a bizarre refusal to practice with their fellow competitors. It's insane -- they literally would prefer to hit four on a court with their coach than two on a court with another player. They live in Bizarro World.

However, one of the benefits of having the women around is the ever-increasing desire for each and every young sassy player trying to outdo -- or in this case, under-dress -- the next.

My prediction? Pretty soon the WTA practice courts, and maybe even the match courts, will resemble a women's volleyball court, with g-strings and bikinis being the only logical next step. Not that I'm complaining, or even think that wouldn't be a valuable marketing tool. But I'd like to recommend to players both female and male, and even coaches out on the practice courts: If you resemble a beached whale, keep your gear on!

Another dynamic I find interesting is the players' lounges at joint events. In these player-exclusive hangouts, you'll find two groups of women: On one side you have the WTA players, many of whom are very attractive and in great shape. Unfortunately for them, they have to share the space with the most beautiful one percent of female creatures on the planet: men's players' girlfriends and wives.

It's an unfair competition when you have the girlfriends showing up looking like they're ready to stroll down a runway. Meanwhile, you've got the female players hanging out in tennis gear, dripping sweat from their practices and matches. We all know women are competitive creatures, and even I have some sympathy for the players who have to deal with the "glamour girls" whenever they turn the corner.

On the other hand, I'd like to congratulate the boys. They are peaking. There is more talent in the players' lounge currently then there's ever been, and the boys are raising the bar every day. I'd be remiss if I didn't point out the obvious physical discrepancies between some of these guys and their significant others. I'm not quite sure what some of these girls see in some of them, but to each her own -- I'm non-judgmental.

xin_hui
Aug 27th, 2005, 05:00 PM
isnt he dating corina morariu?:rolleyes:

njnetswill
Aug 27th, 2005, 05:02 PM
Justin has never been known to be a "nice guy" type has he?

auntie janie
Aug 27th, 2005, 05:04 PM
heh, it's funny. Go Justin! :D

CoryAnnAvants#1
Aug 27th, 2005, 05:04 PM
This seemed like a very sexist article, with no wit in it to redeem it. Why on earth do they want this fellow's opinions?


from CNN:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/justin_gimelstob/08/25/nobody.safe/index.html

Justin Gimelstob has played on the ATP men's professional tennis tour for nine years, winning 12 doubles titles during that span. Over the course of his career, he has developed a reputation for being opinionated and outspoken. Luckily for SI.com, he'll be writing entries every few days from the U.S. Open, where he'll be competing.

I think "Nobody's safe" is an appropriate title for my first blog entry. As long as you enjoy my opinions and insights, I am going to give them to you. Some might be controversial, some might be humorous, but all will be honest and, hopefully, thought-provoking. With that said, my first target is ... the women on tour.

Both the ATP and WTA have made a conscious effort to create as many co-ed tournaments as possible outside of the Grand Slam events. I completely agree with the initiative and think it's great for the game and the spectators. However, there are some annoying things sharing a site with women entails.

As dysfunctional as the men's tour is, the women's tour blows it away. For example, it's impossible for there to be enough practice courts for men and women to share without some kind of bickering. This is probably because of the fact that women have a bizarre refusal to practice with their fellow competitors. It's insane -- they literally would prefer to hit four on a court with their coach than two on a court with another player. They live in Bizarro World.

However, one of the benefits of having the women around is the ever-increasing desire for each and every young sassy player trying to outdo -- or in this case, under-dress -- the next.

My prediction? Pretty soon the WTA practice courts, and maybe even the match courts, will resemble a women's volleyball court, with g-strings and bikinis being the only logical next step. Not that I'm complaining, or even think that wouldn't be a valuable marketing tool. But I'd like to recommend to players both female and male, and even coaches out on the practice courts: If you resemble a beached whale, keep your gear on!

Another dynamic I find interesting is the players' lounges at joint events. In these player-exclusive hangouts, you'll find two groups of women: On one side you have the WTA players, many of whom are very attractive and in great shape. Unfortunately for them, they have to share the space with the most beautiful one percent of female creatures on the planet: men's players' girlfriends and wives.

It's an unfair competition when you have the girlfriends showing up looking like they're ready to stroll down a runway. Meanwhile, you've got the female players hanging out in tennis gear, dripping sweat from their practices and matches. We all know women are competitive creatures, and even I have some sympathy for the players who have to deal with the "glamour girls" whenever they turn the corner.

On the other hand, I'd like to congratulate the boys. They are peaking. There is more talent in the players' lounge currently then there's ever been, and the boys are raising the bar every day. I'd be remiss if I didn't point out the obvious physical discrepancies between some of these guys and their significant others. I'm not quite sure what some of these girls see in some of them, but to each her own -- I'm non-judgmental.

I don't think there's anything he said that wasn't right on the money. Women generally do hit with their coaches four to a court at the US Open and every tournament I've been to instead of with another player. The players do have competition from the bimbo waiting around in the players lounge who in some cases are often paid to socialize with the players.

Read a book that came out in about 1992 or 1993 called Ladies Of The Court. Everything that Justin Gimelstob is saying is right in there and it still held true 15 years ago. Not to mention that he gives it to himself too. The "beached whale" comment...Justin doesn't practice shirtless. He knows he doesn't have the body to. And I do agree with him. Would you want to see Magui Serna practicing in a sports bra or Todd Martin practicing with his shirt off?

And yes, he is in a very serious relationship with Corina.

Rtael
Aug 27th, 2005, 05:08 PM
:yawn:

LoveFifteen
Aug 27th, 2005, 05:11 PM
He seems like a douche to me.

alwayshingis
Aug 27th, 2005, 05:12 PM
Everything he said is what makes me love the women's tour so much more than the men's tour!

I think the slogan of the WTA Tour should quote Jay from project runway and it should just be: "Things are gonna get pretty bitchy!"

CrossCourt~Rally
Aug 27th, 2005, 05:19 PM
Justin has never been known to be a "nice guy" type has he?

He's just jealous because nobody notices him on either side of the players lounge :awww: :tape:

pcrtennis
Aug 27th, 2005, 05:24 PM
haha, that's interesting....kind of annoying but has some good points

partbrit
Aug 27th, 2005, 05:26 PM
The presumption that serious athletes are in the locker room "competing" with attractive girlfriends and wives is a sexist projection of ludicrous proportions. He calls some of the other women "bimbos" but then implies that they all are.

Martian KC
Aug 27th, 2005, 05:30 PM
I wouldn't be surprised by how many plastic bimbos await the male players in the lounge.

V-MAC
Aug 27th, 2005, 05:32 PM
He seems like a douche to me.

douche as in "douche-bag" ??? Can you please explain what this means??? My American friends used to say it all the time :lol:

tommyk75
Aug 27th, 2005, 05:36 PM
Both Justin Gimelstob and Vince Spadea try so hard to come off cocky and zany that it's just too much (did you all see Vince and his antics on the Tennis Channel?). Guys, just settle down and try to be calm and nice. It's not that hard.

V's a star
Aug 27th, 2005, 05:40 PM
And Venus gave him a Mixed GGS doubles title :rolleyes: 2 i think

SelesFan70
Aug 27th, 2005, 06:13 PM
Well, women ARE different than men...and it really IS bizarre the way women won't practice with each other. It's the same at work. The women I work with simply refuse to help each other out. I don't understand it... :shrug:

ToeTag
Aug 27th, 2005, 06:26 PM
The players do have competition from the bimbo waiting around in the players lounge who in some cases are often paid to socialize with the players. Competing for what? The twits on the atp tour? LMAO. What makes JG or any other male player think that the women would want to date them!? I know this would come as a shock to many of the atp boys gigantic egos, but many women/girls wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole.

LoveFifteen
Aug 27th, 2005, 06:27 PM
douche as in "douche-bag" ??? Can you please explain what this means??? My American friends used to say it all the time :lol:

Yes, douche as in "douche bag". It's just a common insult. A douche is that liquid that women cleanse their vaginas with ...

cellophane
Aug 27th, 2005, 06:31 PM
Just shut up and take off your shirt, Justin.

cellophane
Aug 27th, 2005, 06:47 PM
Just shut up and take off your shirt, Justin.

Wait. Scratch that. Doesn't he have a hairy chest? :scared:

Infiniti2001
Aug 27th, 2005, 06:56 PM
douche as in "douche-bag" ??? Can you please explain what this means??? My American friends used to say it all the time :lol:

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manu32
Aug 27th, 2005, 07:03 PM
he is an ugly guy....face and body.....

cellophane
Aug 27th, 2005, 07:04 PM
he is an ugly guy....face and body.....

I don't quite remember what his chest looks like. :angel: :scratch:

bis2806
Aug 27th, 2005, 07:08 PM
Justin is sexy!

Sweep
Aug 27th, 2005, 07:11 PM
He was perving over Hantuchova at a recent tournament.

He sounds like a bit of a knobhead if you ask me

K-Dog
Aug 27th, 2005, 10:55 PM
The reason why women don't practice with each other and with their male coach is because they want to practice with someone better than them. As we know, pro males are better than pro females. The pro women want to challenge themselves in practice. Hitting with each other isn't going to be beneficial to the female pros.

If you don't agree with me on the fact that the male pros are better than the female pros, don't bad rep me. obviously if you disagree with me, you don't play much competitive tennis, or you don't understand tennis as well as you think you do!! Ask Lindsay about when she has played with her husband in the past and how much she doesn't like it.

tenn_ace
Aug 27th, 2005, 11:00 PM
I'm not quite sure what some of these girls see in some of them, but to each her own -- I'm non-judgmental.


:haha: the whole artice is full of judgements and he's saying he's not? :rolleyes:


what a moron.

hablo
Aug 27th, 2005, 11:03 PM
:yawn:

Joana
Aug 27th, 2005, 11:08 PM
I don't think the article is scandalous or sexist, it's just not interesting.

!<blocparty>!
Aug 27th, 2005, 11:20 PM
He was watching Davenports semi.

DragonFlame
Aug 27th, 2005, 11:23 PM
:haha: the whole artice is full of judgements and he's saying he's not? :rolleyes:


what a moron.

yeah when i finished reading the article i laughed at the same word :lol: what an idiot :tape:

TennisChick227
Aug 27th, 2005, 11:57 PM
Why does his opinion matter anywayz...he'll be gone 1st rd :lol:

Steam
Aug 28th, 2005, 12:03 AM
One of New Jersey's finest.

Crazy Canuck
Aug 28th, 2005, 12:43 AM
Competing for what? The twits on the atp tour? LMAO. What makes JG or any other male player think that the women would want to date them!? I know this would come as a shock to many of the atp boys gigantic egos, but many women/girls wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole.
Erm, yes. And MANY would.

griffin
Aug 28th, 2005, 01:15 AM
"slightly condescending"?

yeah, and Mama Cass was "slightly fat" :lol:

Well if it will make his life more pleasant, he and the boys can find somewhere besides New Haven to play the week before next years USO. Their presence didn't help tickets sales one bit, it apparently was a nightmare for the staff to schedule matches and practice courts, and (and this really annoys me) it bumped the women's doubles final from after the singles final to a night session, meaning we had to skip it this year.

Boys go home.

@m@nd@
Aug 28th, 2005, 01:17 AM
:smash:

Volcana
Aug 28th, 2005, 01:27 AM
Didn't see much sexist in it myself, outside of "We all know women are competitive creatures". Which isn't to say women AREN'T competitive, only that guys are too. Of course, I prefer athletic women dripping sweat to women dress up like they're about to stroll down a runway, so I question his taste a bit, but... :)

Scotso
Aug 28th, 2005, 01:50 AM
Justin isn't that nice.

Marshmallow
Aug 28th, 2005, 01:51 AM
I don't agree with some things, but isn't it inevitable that - dare i say the not so pleasant side of 'female nature' has crept into the WTA etc. There are differences between social behaviours of men and women and so he may have a point. BUT - coming from him, it sounds sexist and a little chauvanistic.

Marshmallow
Aug 28th, 2005, 01:53 AM
But i have to add - there are similar divisions with the guys. the different styles in which it's represented, make the women's easier to criticise.

ceiling_fan
Aug 28th, 2005, 02:27 AM
beached whale?

Lemonskin.
Aug 28th, 2005, 04:31 AM
He seems like a douche to me.
:eek: He likes Douchevina?! :lol:

Lemonskin.
Aug 28th, 2005, 04:32 AM
beached whale?
I think you'll find that's just like a bleached whale, minus the "L"

ceiling_fan
Aug 28th, 2005, 09:21 AM
I think you'll find that's just like a bleached whale, minus the "L"

:haha:

Timariot
Aug 28th, 2005, 09:30 AM
Yeah, it's obviously sexist, I think he did it on purpose for his first column to ruffle some feathers. The fact is that WTA has been housing some (quite a many, actually) enormously bloated egoes over last 6 years or so, JG probably wanted to take a dig on them.

rrfnpump
Aug 28th, 2005, 09:30 AM
:yawn:
some thing to forget really quickly
I will delete this from my brain
was not worth reading it

silverwhite
Aug 28th, 2005, 09:42 AM
Erm, yes. And MANY would.

Sexy Radek has many drooling fans on MTF, doesn't he? :worship:

ceiling_fan
Aug 28th, 2005, 09:44 AM
Sexy Radek has many drooling fans on MTF, doesn't he? :worship:

woot he's such a hottie :p

CooCooCachoo
Aug 28th, 2005, 09:58 AM
He's just trying to get some attention :tape:

-Sonic-
Aug 28th, 2005, 10:34 AM
http://tennisclub.ne.jp/report/20011001/image/gimelstob.jpg

Pam?

Gallofa
Aug 28th, 2005, 10:52 AM
Amazing how many stereotypes he managed to cram into that article! :lol:

... Makes me wonder if he knows any real women? the kind with a shit-paying job, three kids and a husband that snores? ;) wonder what meeting such a person would do to his two-kind-of-women view of the world :rolleyes:.

Lindsayfan32
Aug 28th, 2005, 11:03 AM
isnt he dating corina morariu?:rolleyes:

Yes he is but may not anymore after this article though. :devil: :fiery:

TonyP
Aug 28th, 2005, 11:31 AM
Don't see too much wrong with this, other than it is not very interesting. The problems in securing practice courts don't really concern me and seem a strange topic for his first written peace. As to who looks better in the players lounge, again, who cares?

The whole piece sounds a little sophomoric to me.

Mariangelina
Aug 28th, 2005, 11:44 AM
Attention-seeking ass. I don't know why Corina bothers with him.

I wonder if Justin, in all his sweaty tennis gear and with his less-than-ripped physique, feels like a stud around various WTA players' coaches/husbands/boyfriends? If he does, he shouldn't. :tape: He must feel so inadequate as an athlete, having to compete with more desired athletes such as Marat Safin. I have deep and sincere sympathy for him. And it's not his fault, really, that he can't be well-groomed AND play well like his WTA counterparts- we all know men are basically slovenly creatures who can't chew gum and walk at the same time. The occasional mutant glamour boy like Marat or Rafael is just unfair for the average sweaty, unkempt schmuck like Justin. And with the obvious physical disrepancies between the average ATP and WTA player- who would you rather look at, Justin or Corina- it's a wonder these guys have enough self-esteem to win matches.

I think it's significant that Roger Federer, who should win the tournament, is currently preparing responsibly for it, while an overrated American who should lose in the second round or so is writing snarky, unskilled articles for Sports Illustrated. :lol:

saki
Aug 28th, 2005, 12:35 PM
I don't think he really has much understanding of women. As others have said, it makes more sense for the top women to practice with male training partners/coaches than with other women from a power point of view, although I've certainly seen female players practicising together. Justine, the only player I seriously follow, has been spotted practicing with Schiavone, Amelie, and Dechy as well as with her coach. And, with regards to the players not socialising with the ATP girlfriends/wives, I hardly think that's about jealousy, more about the fact that the players have more in common with one another. What are they going to talk about to the girlfriends/wives? It's a typical male attitude to assume that they're jealous - not all women spend all of their time obsessing about their attractiveness and certainly not all professional athletes.

Deimos
Aug 28th, 2005, 01:11 PM
I don't think he really has much understanding of women. As others have said, it makes more sense for the top women to practice with male training partners/coaches than with other women from a power point of view, although I've certainly seen female players practicising together. Justine, the only player I seriously follow, has been spotted practicing with Schiavone, Amelie, and Dechy as well as with her coach. And, with regards to the players not socialising with the ATP girlfriends/wives, I hardly think that's about jealousy, more about the fact that the players have more in common with one another. What are they going to talk about to the girlfriends/wives? It's a typical male attitude to assume that they're jealous - not all women spend all of their time obsessing about their attractiveness and certainly not all professional athletes.

I agree with everything you said. I don't know if he's just trying to be controversial, but he comes across as rather silly and boring.

Spunky83
Aug 28th, 2005, 01:26 PM
Well, women ARE different than men...and it really IS bizarre the way women won't practice with each other. It's the same at work. The women I work with simply refuse to help each other out. I don't understand it... :shrug:

True, I´d rather work with men than with women. Besides, women tend to terrorize each other in the office. It´s like all way back to high-school.

Not to mention, I prefer having job interviews held my men ;)

As confusing and weird that article is, the mens and womens tour do differ extremely...but well, at least the women give the whole thing lots more drama. It´s like a daily soap! :lol:

Elldee
Aug 29th, 2005, 08:49 AM
Lindsay's thoughts!

More impressive, Davenport has managed to almost always take the high road while remaining candid and eschewing the syrupy cliché. Justin Gimelstob learned as much when she called him out for one of his recent blogs for SI.com, in which the male pro criticized what he called the dysfunctional nature of the women's tour and made pointed comments about the players' skimpy outfits and whether some had suitable bodies for them.

"I don't know if I can repeat everything I said to him," she said yesterday, smiling. "I'm just always curious what the fascination is about men and how they have to judge women constantly — what they look like, what they wear, who they hang out with.

"Men have this endless fascination with, it seems like — and Justin especially — about just depicting and picking on everything about the body. And so his column was, I thought, a waste of time."


I think her reactions OTT, Justin was clearly trying to be funny and it's not like he mentioned anyone specifically.