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CB
Apr 20th, 2002, 01:11 AM
Russia vs. Germany

Place: Dresden, Germany
Surface: Red Clay Outdoors

Teams
Germany
Marlene Weingartner
Barbara Rittner
Bianka Lamade
Martina Muller

Captain: Markus Schur

Russia
Elena Dementieva
Anastasia Myskina :hearts: :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:
Elena Likhovtseva
Elena Bovina

Captain: Shamil Tarpischev

Udachi Russia (and I'm not Russian ;) )

the cat
Apr 20th, 2002, 03:42 AM
This will be a tough one for the girls from Rusland! Dementieva and Myskina are very tired right now. They will not be able to play their best tennis. Thus, the host Germans have a real chance in this tie. My prediction is Russia 3-2.

The Russian girls don't play doubles together at tournaments. And that bothers me. Likhovtseva and Bovina aren't assured of winning the doubles. And it might come down to that. I don't know why they can't play doubles occasionaly at a WTA tournament. They know they have a good chance to be the Fed Cup doubles team. It just doesn't make sense to me. Udachi R.F. (Russian Federation)!

auntie janie
Apr 21st, 2002, 01:12 PM
cat, exactly what is your evidence for this bizarre statement:

Dementieva and Myskina are very tired right now. They will not be able to play their best tennis.

Why in the world would Elena and Anastasia be so very tired??? They are young, fit, and eager :D :D. I think you just made this up! Are you always so pessimistic? Bad cat! Go take a long cat-nap! :p

the cat
Apr 22nd, 2002, 05:35 PM
Janie, what's with the attitude? Dementieva and Myskina have been playing alot of tournaments lately. They're probably tired. And traveling to Europe to play on slow red clay, does not make their day! Capiche?

auntie janie
Apr 22nd, 2002, 06:46 PM
cat -

They have to start getting used to the Red Clay anyway -- the season is now beginning. I think they have plenty time to recuperate from the journey from the US, & only a couple of matches each, surrounded by friendly teammates, should not be too much of a strain. :kiss:

the cat
Apr 22nd, 2002, 09:10 PM
That's okay Janie! ;) But it's fun to needle you sometimes! :) I hope you don't mind it when I playfully needle you! :kiss:

I think Russia will beat Germany 3-2. I think the singles will be split. But Russia will win the doubles and the tie, 3-2. Just as they did last year in Slovakia. :D

auntie janie
Apr 22nd, 2002, 09:48 PM
That's okay, Little Cat! Feel free to dig those claws in ...

Aside from any team thing, I just want "my" players to WIN MATCHES. Elena Bovina in particular could use a solid perfomance. I sure wish SHE would call up Harold Solomon!:mad:

ys
Apr 22nd, 2002, 10:08 PM
I think we'll win both singles on the first day. Then Elena D. will clinch it in the second, and whatever happens after that doesn't matter, even if they play Elena L. or Elena B., and we'd lose , doesn't matter. But I do think that it will be 4:1, Russia. We'll win first three singles and one of two dead rubbers.

Cassius
Apr 23rd, 2002, 12:24 AM
I think Russia 'should' win pretty easily.
No-one in the German team should be a particularly arkward opponent.
Weingartner: I think by her standards, she is having an alright season. On a good day, she can be tough.
Rittner: Again, on her day, she can pose problems, but I think she's not having a great season.
Lamade: I heard of her, but I'm not sure how good she is, or what kind of season she's having.
Muller: Who?

Of course, it depends who plays who first. If Weingartner can be beaten in the first match, then I think the others will pretty-much crumble. But if Weingartner wins the first match, it will inspire the others to do well.

However, like YS, I think Russia will win 4:1. (Weingartner will beat somebody, but Russia will win the rest).

the cat
Apr 23rd, 2002, 02:47 AM
Lamade and Muller could beat Dementieva and Myskina.

Janie, did you call me "bizarre" earlier in this thread? Maybe I'm too sensitive. But that's not what I expect from you! :(

bubble
Apr 23rd, 2002, 03:55 AM
Martina Muller just won her 1st title at Budapest last week and she must be on a confidence high and that is dangerous.


Go Team Russia! :)

fresh2flash
Apr 23rd, 2002, 01:57 PM
I don`t see any problems winning this tie. Dementieva and Myskina are stronger than their German opponents and basically should win all four singles. Dementieva plays in Fed Cup much better than in the WTA tournaments, fighting to the end. Germany will take one single only if they`re lucky, but theirs luck will be enough just for one win. Two single wins over the Russian girls doesn`t sound realistic.

TheBoiledEgg
Apr 23rd, 2002, 02:41 PM
go Team Russia !!!!!!!!!!!!

Nastya and Alyona :) good luck girls :)

Weingartner is still #1.

changed format again so lets see what day 1 is going to bring.

Hopefully Alyona plays 1st and wins so makes it easier for Nastya :)

tenn_ace
Apr 23rd, 2002, 02:54 PM
if this tie is to be played on red clay, Russian girls will have their hands full. None of them (except for EB who will play doubles) hasn't played a match on red clay this year... This surface is really specific and needs time to adapt.

Russian tema will win, but in tough 3-2

auntie janie
Apr 23rd, 2002, 07:54 PM
Cat, did you actually read the post? I said your QUESTION was bizarre. I never said that YOU are bizarre. :rolleyes: :D

Let me rephrase it -- your question was questionable! :angel:

tenn_ace has a good point about the red clay. But the Russian team has several days to practice on it. Martina Muller, having just won the Budapest title as an unseeded player, will be fired up, but I will still be surprised if she beats AM or ED.

the cat
Apr 23rd, 2002, 08:19 PM
Janie, are you questioning my reading skills? Please don't.
I know what you meant. It's okay. I was just being a little dramatic! Cats are moody you know! ;)

But Janie, I'm glad you're admitting that the Russian girls have no preperation time on the red clay for this Fed Cup tie. And that could be a problem. :mad:

ys
Apr 23rd, 2002, 10:36 PM
None of them (except for EB who will play doubles) hasn't played a match on red clay this year...

I wonder then what Alyona was doing in Acapulco..

the cat
Apr 24th, 2002, 12:20 AM
LOL @ ys! ;) He got tenn_ace and Janie with his comment "I wonder what Aylona was doing in Acapulco". Unfortunately he got me, too! :(

Irish
Apr 24th, 2002, 03:17 AM
Does anybody know when this starts? I keep seeing players and locations but no start dates on all of the Fed Cup threads I have been reading. Thank you very much ahead of time.:D

auntie janie
Apr 24th, 2002, 02:30 PM
Irish, April 27th & 28th. :)

http://www.itftennis.com/html/comp/fed.html

Irish
Apr 24th, 2002, 11:29 PM
:) Thank you Janie!!:)

TheBoiledEgg
Apr 26th, 2002, 02:24 PM
tomorrow's schedule

Fed Cup

Saturday, 27. April:

14-00 Martina Müller - Elena Dementieva
Barbara Rittner - Anastasia Myskina

Sunday, 28. April:

13-00 Barbara Rittner - Elena Dementieva
Martina Müller - Anastasia Myskina
Barbara Rittner/ Marlene Weingärtner - Elena Dementieva/
Elena Likhovtseva

TheBoiledEgg
Apr 26th, 2002, 02:28 PM
really great Alyona plays 1st, she should win and ease the pressure on Nastya :)
lets hope so.

good luck girls !!!!!!!!!!!

CB
Apr 26th, 2002, 05:10 PM
Good luck Alyona and Natsya!

Go team Russia! :D

ys
Apr 26th, 2002, 06:10 PM
And it will be easy on Alyona too. This time she won't have that much of a pressure knowing that this time we have a solid #2 in Nastya, who can and should win both of her matches too.

bubble
Apr 26th, 2002, 06:11 PM
Good luck girls! :bounce:

Does anyone knows if there is a website showing the live scores?

Irish
Apr 27th, 2002, 06:26 PM
Elena D.:)

Nastya:sad: :sad:

TheBoiledEgg
Apr 27th, 2002, 06:33 PM
its gonna be close now

Elena will play her singles 1st , good news :)

then will Shamil make the change or stick with Nastya ??

If it goes to final doubles , Elena D will be in team i guess along with Likhovtseva.

Irish
Apr 27th, 2002, 07:27 PM
I hope he stays with Nastya. I thought she would win today and then when play started, Barbara Rittner was very charged. Nastya was trying for the comeback and I thought again she would win. She was probably nervous too.;)

the cat
Apr 27th, 2002, 09:35 PM
Stay with Nastya! :) Who would they replace her with? Bovina?

And Bovina will play doubles with Likhovtseva, whether it's the deciding match or not.

ys
Apr 27th, 2002, 10:03 PM
It is still looking OK, Alyona will win, I have a faith in her. And then, I think, They will play Nastya again. And if, God forbid, the doubles will be a decisive match, it will be Likhovtseva/Dementieva team, I think there is no question about it.

BTW, is Larisa still with a team?

TheBoiledEgg
Apr 27th, 2002, 10:09 PM
I still think she is, not seen anything otherwise.

tenn_ace
Apr 28th, 2002, 06:15 AM
well, tomorrow will be as difficult as today was.

let's just do it, Russian girls!

fresh2flash
Apr 28th, 2002, 08:37 AM
I don`t think Nastya will have any problem against Muller. The young German didn`t impress yesterday at all, Alyona won despite many mistakes she had made. I have more doubts about Alyona today. But I hope she will win anyway :)

Cassius
Apr 29th, 2002, 01:04 AM
The Russian girls spectacularly crumble once again!:sad:
I don't know why, but they just lost it completely.
3-2 to the Germans.
Elena D lost in an amazingly hopeless style 6-3 6-1 against Rittner.
Myskina won a thrilling match 7-6 6-7 11-9 against Mueller.
So, its 2-2 going into the deciding match.
Elena D/Likhotseva against Rittner/Weingartner.
The Russians lost 7-6 6-2.

Why put Dementieva in the doubles? Likhotseva and Bovina are (I think) better doubles players. Or maybe Dementieva/Likhotseva is a better doubles team?
Maybe the pressure of being overwhelming favourites got to the girls? We've seen it before, when one of the Russian girls has been fave or leading a match that they should close-out with no real problem, they have crumbled under the pressure.
I once heard a commentator say that Dementieva doesn't play well when she's in front. That she likes to come from behind. I think this is a HUGE problem, because you have to actually BE IN FRONT to win the match. Somethimes, she has no trouble. But other times, she is a nervous wreck. I think Myskina played brilliantly to pull out that amazing 3 set victory!!!!!!
But I think both girls were too exausted (physically AND mentally) to win the doubles against an in-form Rittner with the confidence boost of having just beaten both of the Russian girls, and Weingartner who hadn't played yet and so she had fresh legs and mind.

What does this defeat actually mean?

the cat
Apr 29th, 2002, 01:54 AM
Myskina played doubles? I thought it was Likhovtseva. Likhovtseva was there to play doubles. Not singles. And Cassius, you're telling me Likhovtseva didn't play the doubles? She's the best Russian doubles player. Something is wrong with the team and captain. They don't have any good chemistry. That's for sure. What a choke job! :(

Dementieva's career continues to go backwards! :mad: Wake up Elena! Before it's too late. :eek:

ys
Apr 29th, 2002, 02:10 AM
No, of course Likhovtseva played doubles. With Dementieva.

She's the best Russian doubles player.

By rankings yes. by Race To LA numbers - no.

Patriotically, I wanted us to win, but surprisingly, I took this loss very easy. Probably, first of all, because we have no chance to win it this year. We have not a single player whose form would be solid and predictable. Dementieva doesn't seem to know what she wants from tennis. Myskina doesn't seem to make her mind whether she wants to play good matches or win good matches. Likhovtseva is in terrible slump both in singles and doubles. Ditto Bovina. Panova is having good tournament one week and first round losses in another, and you never know what will come next. Anna is in trouble. Lina and Nadya are injured. Let them first get their careers aback on track and then we'll think about Cups.

tenn_ace
Apr 29th, 2002, 12:10 PM
so much for an easy win...

well, I told u so. No surprise here.:o

bubble
Apr 29th, 2002, 03:47 PM
i'm very sad about their loss... :sad:

Just hope that next year they will be at least at full strength and depth to compete again.

Lina & Nadya please GET WELL SOON! :angel:

fresh2flash
Apr 30th, 2002, 09:47 AM
Originally posted by ys
we have no chance to win it this year.

I took the loss close cause in fact we HAD a good chance to win it. With the US team out, with Kim Clijsters probably moving to Australia, we had a real chance.

TheBoiledEgg
Apr 30th, 2002, 10:23 AM
This yr was going to be one of best chances to win with US out of way.

Belgium are only a two girl team if anything happens to one of them then the two singles matches would go against them increasing pressure on the remaining one.

nevermind we can hope for same again next yr but we will have a much stronger squad :)

fresh2flash
Apr 30th, 2002, 10:25 AM
We need BJK to remain the captain of the US team ;)

the cat
Apr 30th, 2002, 02:25 PM
Eggy, next year Russia will have a much stronger squad? How? Who? Didn't you thinkthat this year?

Russia needs to take a pass on consistent underachievers, and look to the future with their young players. The group led by Elena Dementieva has proven they can't win tournaments or the Fed Cup. It's time to look to the future with hope. And the future is Maria Sharapova, Dinara Safina, Vera Douchevina and Svetlana Kuznetsova. The future is now, Eggy! :) Dementieva, Myskina, Likhovtseva and Bovina have proven they can't win on the WTA tour. It's time to move forward. Otherwise you will certainly go backwards! :eek:

TheBoiledEgg
Apr 30th, 2002, 02:32 PM
we will have Nadya and Lina back in 2003

cat, i still have hope for the girls, you just need a little luck in matches
Lina was well further advanced than any of the girls mentioned there, she's still the best product from Russia.


in 98 our Russian team of Panova (100ish) and Makraova defeated the Germans 4-1 in Moscow who had Huber/Glass, they only won doubles at end.

Sveta has disappointed in last few events and the way she has lost on her fav clay surface :sad:

missed Vera Zvonareva out and she is certainly coming to grips with the tour.

ys
Apr 30th, 2002, 02:43 PM
They'll bounce back. Anna will be back in Top 20, and Alyona will get her motivation back. As Dementieva once said, Russian girls are a strange group, tey often win together, they often lose together.

fresh2flash
Apr 30th, 2002, 02:51 PM
And they often get injured together :sad:

the cat
Apr 30th, 2002, 07:52 PM
So true Freshy! So true!

Cassius
May 1st, 2002, 01:04 AM
Sorry about saying Myskina played in the doubles:o . My teletext said Dementieva/Myskina, so, naturally I thought it was. I have now corrected the error.

All it needs is for Dementieva or Kournikova to win a title and then the other girls will follow suit.
If Dementieva wins it will inspire confidence because I think the younger, more inexperienced girls see her as a kind of talisman. If she does well, they usually do well also.
If Kournikova wins, I think it will spur Dementieva on because Elena has said that Kournikova is not part of the group, and I think she'd love to put one over on the 'glamour-girl'.

I agree with EGGY. I think Lina (if she is fit) has the best chance of any of the Russian girls to win a tournament. I just hope she doesn't 'do an Elena'. Or (even worse) 'do an Anna'.

Does anyone know if there is a FED Cup website?
Or where theres a website where I can find pics?

Irish
May 1st, 2002, 01:58 AM
Originally posted by fresh2flash
We need BJK to remain the captain of the US team ;)
lol @ Fresh2flash. That was a good one.:D

Irish
May 6th, 2002, 04:26 AM
There are some really good photos to see of Elena Dementieva, Anastasia Myskina, and Elena Bovina from Fed Cup 2002 at a site you may have visited before. None of Elena L. but from other tournaments. I don't think I have ever seen Elena D.'s whole face before since she always wears her visor or is turned sideways.

They are Copyrighted by Patrick Becher at

http://www.medienpublikation.de

Click on Picture Database (public), which is third block on left, then click on the second choice in the center 'picture database without indexes (faster)' and they will give you a list of players on the left side to choose from. Very easy to get to.

Cassius
May 6th, 2002, 05:06 AM
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!! Thats a GREAT site!!!!!!!!!!
Its got pictures of EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks IRISH.

Irish
May 6th, 2002, 11:59 PM
You're welcome Cassius. It does have a lot of many players and I have barely been able to see all my players yet.:D

ys
Jan 15th, 2003, 04:37 PM
It looks like the results gave as a good idea who will be playing for Russia this year.

Elena B. , Nastya seem to be the best candidates, almost locks to be playing singles. But other than that, I have no idea. We have such a huge pool - Elena D., Tanya, Vera, Dinara, Elena L. Nadya, Lina, Sveta, Anna, with bunch of Marias coming up. Either two of them can complement the team.

Elena D. going out from the first position somewhat opens up the possibility of Anna coming back to team, but from what I remember, while Anna and Elena D. animousity was kind of quiet and never get scandalous, it was a bit worse between Anna and Elena B. Well, it was few years ago, so things could have changed.. But Anna is a good, solid all-rounder, so I would not rule her out. Elena B. did say few nasty things about Anna, but that never looked like a rivalry ( as between Anna and Elena D. , so things could easily changed to get better ). Chance of Anna being in a team: 20%

But other than that, we need all-rounders, and that means that even though Tanya's rankings are as high as they've ever been, she is not with much of a chance to be in a team. Unless, I guess, she makes Top 15, then she will be difficult to ignore. Chance of Tanya being in a team: 20%.

Nadya is definitely getting back, but unless she has more or less long injury-free spell, I am not betting on her being in a team, because no coach would select a player as injury-prone as she is right now. But she is potenitally one of the best Russian players, the only good server among all players, and she is a very solid doubles player. So she has a chance. But she needs to rebuild her rankings first, a couple of more rounds at AO would do wonders to that. Chance of Nadya being in a team:30%

Lina also needs an injury-free spell, and she first needs to rebuild her rankings too, and she doesn't seem to be doing awfully well in that department. Chances of being in a team: 10%

Elena L. Very difficult to say. She was in a team for so long, and having a veteran, respected by everyone, in a team has never been a bad idea. But her form is yet difficult to judge. I think that she will come back as a Top 30 singles player at some point of the season. Chances of being in a team: 30%

Elena D. With her having the worst slump of her career, she is still quite highly ranked, a Top 5 doubles player, and a stalwart of national team for so many years. As long as she stays in Top 25 and is willing to play for Russia, she is virtually guaranteed to be selected, but she is no longer a certain starter. Chances of being in a team: 60%

Sveta: being an all-rounder could help her. Still, with our depth I doubt that Tarpishev would select a relatively low-ranked junior while having so much experience at his disposal. Chance of being selected: 10%

Vera: Being not an established doubles player, currently it would take an extraordinary good singles results for her to get selected. Quite unlikely: 5%

The rest: 15% in total..