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CooCooCachoo
Jul 28th, 2005, 07:49 AM
Hey :)

Last year, the WTA Tour Championships (Year-End Champs) were held in the PYW competition by using the eight real-life best players of the year (Davenport, Mauresmo, Myskina, Kuznetsova, Dementieva, Sharapova, Serena and Zvonareva).

It's still a long way before we reach this event this year, but I want to have a poll on whether you think we should use the real-life eight players, or the best eight players in PYW throughout the year. A simple question, give it some thought and vote :)

:wavey:

_________
Martijn

The poll will close on the 1st of November.

VeeDaQueen
Jul 28th, 2005, 07:54 AM
I think you should use the real eight best players. You have used the real players at every tournament so far, so why not use them at this one? ;)

Foot's Fingers
Jul 28th, 2005, 08:24 AM
The real players

Cos in every tournament we have a real plaers And seeded as in real draw (not according PYW rankings)

We can play PYW with the eight best PYW players throughout the year for fun or as additional tournament between the seasons

Geoffry
Jul 28th, 2005, 09:20 AM
Although I voted for the eight best PYW players, I think we should do both. After the real Masters, we have a month or two off season without any tournaments. In that period we could organize our own Masters with the 8 best PYW players. Otherwise, I have the feeling that the work you do on the rankings is rather in vain. Ofcourse, this is just my opinion...

416_Man
Jul 28th, 2005, 01:44 PM
I like the idea of both. :)

Paldias
Jul 29th, 2005, 02:16 AM
Real, because we all know that Hantuchova or Clijsters will end up winning if we don't do the real.

William Hunt
Jul 29th, 2005, 09:44 AM
The PYW off course, it makes no sense to do otherwise, it would create false final rankings and would rape the game

Geoffry
Jul 29th, 2005, 10:56 AM
Real, because we all know that Hantuchova or Clijsters will end up winning if we don't do the real.
Isn't that something top ranked players do? Win tournaments. And it has been awhile since Daniela has won a tournament, so I wouldn't immediately conclude that she'd win the tournament.

CooCooCachoo
Jul 30th, 2005, 06:43 PM
The PYW off course, it makes no sense to do otherwise, it would create false final rankings and would rape the game

Yes, that is exactly my objection to using the rela players. It puts certain players too high on the rankings (though not doing well at the WTA Champs means getting few points, but still).

VeeDaQueen
Aug 2nd, 2005, 03:00 PM
But you use the real players for every other tournament, so it would be kinda stupid not to. You even say in the signature:

Every tournament starts with the original draw and in the end, the most popular player that week will win.

VeeDaQueen
Aug 2nd, 2005, 03:01 PM
Isn't it funny how only Daniela fans voted for the second option?

CooCooCachoo
Aug 3rd, 2005, 07:32 AM
But you use the real players for every other tournament, so it would be kinda stupid not to. You even say in the signature:



I know :p I am not sure what to do :shrug: I might even be in favour of not having the Championships at all :lol:

Foot's Fingers
Aug 3rd, 2005, 10:50 AM
Still think that the best is to play both things as real as PYW leaders

Geoffry
Nov 3rd, 2005, 03:28 PM
Seeing that the YEC starts next week, are we going the do the real event or the one with the top PYW players? Or both?

Foot's Fingers
Nov 4th, 2005, 08:13 AM
Me wants both!!!

CooCooCachoo
Nov 4th, 2005, 06:26 PM
Seeing that the YEC starts next week, are we going the do the real event or the one with the top PYW players? Or both?

There are two real options:

1) The eight best PYW players (Seen as this is the most popular option in the poll)
2. A combination, with for instance the eight (or four) best real-life players and the eight additional (or four) best PYW players that are not in the Top Eight in reality.

Geoffry
Nov 4th, 2005, 07:09 PM
There are two real options:

1) The eight best PYW players (Seen as this is the most popular option in the poll)
2. A combination, with for instance the eight (or four) best real-life players and the eight additional (or four) best PYW players that are not in the Top Eight in reality.
I kinda like your second option. It would definitely content both parties.

If we agree to do this, I'd suggest do take the best eight from real life and the best eight from PYW, but still in a round robin format. So that would mean that there would be four groups. I think that would be a great way to end the PYW season. Anyway, do you have the race for this season? Or are we going to take the top 8 players from the entry ranking (which would take less efforts IMO).

CooCooCachoo
Nov 5th, 2005, 08:29 AM
I kinda like your second option. It would definitely content both parties.

If we agree to do this, I'd suggest do take the best eight from real life and the best eight from PYW, but still in a round robin format. So that would mean that there would be four groups. I think that would be a great way to end the PYW season. Anyway, do you have the race for this season? Or are we going to take the top 8 players from the entry ranking (which would take less efforts IMO).

The Race shouldn't be too hard to create (It would be from the AO until Philadelphia / Québec City / Busan), but without the quality points I think?

CooCooCachoo
Nov 5th, 2005, 08:33 AM
I actually think having four groups of four players would be a special ending to the season :)

CooCooCachoo
Nov 5th, 2005, 09:09 AM
Sorry, the quality points are included (but only from the US Open onwards, cause that is when we started using them).

CooCooCachoo
Nov 5th, 2005, 09:37 AM
Porsche Race [PYW Top 25]

Rankings after Philadelphia & Québec City (Not including ITF Busan)

01. Kim Clijsters BEL [3774]
02. Elena Dementieva RUS [3172]
03. Anastasia Myskina RUS [2787]
04. Daniela Hantuchova SVK [2532]
05. Mary Pierce FRA [2149]
06. Flavia Pennetta ITA [1836]
07. Ai Sugiyama JPN [1768]
08. Nadia Petrova RUS [1590]
09. Anna-Lena Grönefeld GER [1562]
10. Maria Kirilenko RUS [1560]
11. Magdalena Maleeva BUL [1508]
12. Alicia Molik AUS [1478]
13. Tatiana Golovin FRA [1472]
14. Venus Williams USA [1455]
15. Patty Schnyder SUI [1394]
16. Silvia Farina Elia ITA [1347]
17. Marta Domachowska POL [1292]
18. Shinobu Asagoe JPN [1281]
19. Ana Ivanovic SCG [1259]
20. Gisela Dulko ARG [1246]
21. Nicole Vaidisova CZE [1220]
22. Jelena Jankovic SCG [1180]
23. Anna Chakvetadze RUS [1173]
24. Klara Koukalova CZE [1081]
25. Karolina Sprem CRO [1078]

Porsche Race [Real Top 10]

Rankings before Philadelphia & Québec City

01. Kim Clijsters BEL [4665]
02. Lindsay Davenport USA [4606]
03. Maria Sharapova RUS [3597]
04. Mary Pierce FRA [3184]
05. Amélie Mauresmo FRA [3033]
06. Justine Hénin-Hardenne BEL [2936]
07. Patty Schnyder SUI [2905]
08. Nadia Petrova RUS [2674]
09. Venus Williams USA [2628]
10. Elena Dementieva RUS [2530]

Ballbasher
Nov 5th, 2005, 09:38 AM
ALG :bigcry:

CooCooCachoo
Nov 5th, 2005, 09:42 AM
Porsche Race [Real Top 10]

Rankings before Philadelphia & Québec City

01. Kim Clijsters BEL [4665]
02. Lindsay Davenport USA [4606]
03. Maria Sharapova RUS [3597]
04. Mary Pierce FRA [3184]
05. Amélie Mauresmo FRA [3033]
06. Justine Hénin-Hardenne BEL [2936]
07. Patty Schnyder SUI [2905]
08. Nadia Petrova RUS [2674]
09. Venus Williams USA [2628]
10. Elena Dementieva RUS [2530]

CooCooCachoo
Nov 5th, 2005, 09:43 AM
ALG :bigcry:

She will make it to the PYW Year-End Championships.

The best eight real-life players will qualify, together with the best eight PYW players that are not part of the best eight in reality.

CooCooCachoo
Nov 5th, 2005, 09:57 AM
The 16 Participants at the PYW WTA Tour Championships 2005

http://www.wtatour.com/global/photos/150x200/30458.jpg

Kim Clijsters BEL
Real qualifier, Seeded #1

http://www.wtatour.com/global/photos/150x200/40289.jpg

Elena Dementieva RUS
PYW Qualifier, Seeded #2

http://www.wtatour.com/global/photos/150x200/130533.jpg

Anastasia Myskina RUS
PYW Qualifier, Seeded #3

http://www.wtatour.com/global/photos/150x200/80394.jpg

Daniela Hantuchova SVK
PYW Qualifier, Seeded #4

http://www.wtatour.com/global/photos/150x200/160142.jpg

Mary Pierce FRA
Real Qualifier, Seeded #5

http://www.wtatour.com/global/photos/150x200/160391.jpg

Flavia Pennetta ITA
PYW Qualifier, Seeded #6

http://www.wtatour.com/global/photos/150x200/190353.jpg

Ai Sugiyama JPN
PYW Qualifier, Seeded #7

http://www.wtatour.com/global/photos/150x200/160379.jpg

Nadia Petrova RUS
Real Qualifier, Seeded #8

http://www.wtatour.com/global/photos/150x200/310318.jpg

Anna-Lena Grönefeld GER
PYW Qualifier, Seeded #9

http://www.wtatour.com/global/photos/150x200/310577.jpg

Maria Kirilenko RUS
PYW Qualifier, Seeded #10

http://www.wtatour.com/global/photos/150x200/130245.jpg

Magdalena Maleeva BUL
PYW Qualifier, Seeded #11

http://www.wtatour.com/global/photos/150x200/40106.jpg

Lindsay Davenport USA
Real Qualifier, Seeded #12

http://www.wtatour.com/global/photos/150x200/190519.jpg

Patty Schnyder SUI
Real Qualifier, Seeded #13

http://www.wtatour.com/global/photos/150x200/310137.jpg

Maria Sharapova RUS
Real Qualifier, Seeded #14

http://www.wtatour.com/global/photos/150x200/130450.jpg

Amélie Mauresmo FRA
Real Qualifier, Seeded #15

http://www.wtatour.com/global/photos/150x200/80350.jpg

Justine Hénin-Hardenne BEL
Real Qualifier, Seeded #16

tucker1989
Nov 5th, 2005, 12:03 PM
Very cool, thanks CooCooCachoo!

Geoffry
Nov 5th, 2005, 12:05 PM
Very nice field :D It is going to be one very exciting tournament :bounce:

CooCooCachoo
Nov 5th, 2005, 01:19 PM
Guys,

I posted the thread in the tournament forum! Have a look :)

Ballbasher
Nov 6th, 2005, 09:33 AM
I like this field (but I´d add Venus instead of Henin-H. )