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DannerCal
Jun 23rd, 2005, 07:09 PM
I've also broken some very sensitive stories over the years, including four over the past nine months that have caused me minor personal troubles with players and coaches who I've had good relationships with: Daniela Hantuchova's admission that her weight loss was caused by her parent's split; Brad Gilbert's trouble with Andy Roddick's father and what role that played in their split; the reason behind Kim Clijsters' break-up with Lleyton Hewitt; and the reason behind Anastasia Myskina's poor play -- her mother's cancer.

I'm happy to say that I'm now in good standing with everyone except for Myskina, whom I'm not sure where I stand with right now. But the other relationships were touch and go for a while. But you know that going in and have to be willing to take a risk, otherwise the stories will never get done. And if they don't, there will be less interesting copy out there, which is terrible for the sport. There's always a place for good, reality-based stories. Unfortunately, the players' handlers sometimes don't see it that way. That's a fight we are always fighting.

On another front, there is one player who I once had a great relationship with who is still furious with me -- Jennifer Capriati. That's because TR.net wrote a story earlier this year that she didn't want to see the light of day and she blames me for not calling her and fact-checking it. My bad for not making the call, but I was on vacation at the time and I trusted our reporter's sources and still do. I regret that Jennifer sees me as the world's biggest a-hole, but she hasn't picked up the phone either and heard my side, either. Hopefully, when I see her later this summer, we'll make good, because I still respect her immensely.

(retrieved from tennis-x.com, "Tennis-X 5 Questions: Matt Cronin, ********************, 6/23/05).

So I wonder what story it was from earlier this year that made Jennifer so mad? Anyone know.

jfk
Jun 23rd, 2005, 07:12 PM
The pornstar story?

auntie janie
Jun 23rd, 2005, 07:12 PM
I don't know, but what was the scoop on Kim & Hewie? That's more interesting! :D

SJW
Jun 23rd, 2005, 07:21 PM
what was the reason behind Kim and Lleyton's breakup?

Cariaoke
Jun 23rd, 2005, 07:25 PM
Yeah, what was the dirt on Kim and Lleyton?

Anne K.
Jun 23rd, 2005, 07:30 PM
:devil: SOMEBODY around here must know about the Kim/Lleyton story!!

Come on, spill it--we nosey parkers need the goods!!! :mad:

bibs
Jun 23rd, 2005, 07:45 PM
she dumped him over the phone because she already had a new boyfriend.

RAA
Jun 23rd, 2005, 08:12 PM
ok this post leaves a LOT of unanswered questions!!! killin' me here!!

mboyle
Jun 23rd, 2005, 08:17 PM
A-Rod has an overbearing father?:eek: I always wondered why Andy and Brad split. At least w/ brad, Andy did not lose to Hewitt:o ...

DannerCal
Jun 23rd, 2005, 08:58 PM
ahhh - good thread! ;)

Alfie
Jun 23rd, 2005, 10:48 PM
what was the reason behind Kim and Lleyton's breakup?

Okay since everyone's itching to know :p ...

Cronin implied that Hewitt dumped Kimmy. He quoted Kim's coach Marc Dehous who had this to say to tennisreporters after Kim won Indian Wells. The complete article was posted on CCL:

"She's playing a better because her time off cleared her head a little," Dehous told ********************. "She's mentally fresh and physically fitter. She had problems after breaking up with Lleyton, but luckily she had a lot of time to cope with those things. She grew up and moved on. She became more mature. Those things happen. I got dumped once too. You can't complain all the time. You have to accept it and move on."
--Marc Dehous at Indian Wells

Who knows if this is true? :shrug:
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HOWEVER, at Kim's press conference at the start of the Indian Wells tournament this AFP article implies that Kim dumped Hewitt.

from AFP
Clijsters said after the break-up and during the period when she was unsure whether she could resume her career, she became slightly depressed. :sad:
"For a few weeks it was very tough but my family was there for me. Having that stability really helped me.
"For the first time, I got to do a lot of things with my sister, Elke, and that was really great because before she was off at boarding school and I was playing.
"It made me forget other things that were bothering me. I grew as a person."
The Belgian believes she and Hewitt will have bright futures.
"I made the right decision and I'm happy," Clijsters said.
"I believe that if you stay positive, everything will turn out positive for both sides. :)
"That's the most important thing at the end of the day, that you are both happy. I think that will happen for both of us."

*JR*
Jun 23rd, 2005, 11:25 PM
If a reporter simply quotes a player or a coach (as seems the case with Kimmy) that's fair. If a reporter investigates the private "love life" of a player (as with Jennifer) that is not (so long as she's not involved with anyone who has authority re. draws, calls, etc.)

hotandspicey
Jun 23rd, 2005, 11:26 PM
Kim refused to have premarital sex. Hewitt said he was tired of waiting, and she needs to give him some. or the relationship is over. Kim said 'suit youself '....no, go f*** yourself. So he did, but it was no fun, so he found Bec, and now comes marriage and the baby carriage.Ok.Just kidding. that's my version. ;)

Hots4Safin
Jun 23rd, 2005, 11:37 PM
i can't find the Roddick article, anyone have the link?

Albireo
Jun 23rd, 2005, 11:38 PM
There's obviously a rule that that website isn't to be named, but when and why did that come about?

manu32
Jun 23rd, 2005, 11:50 PM
If a reporter simply quotes a player or a coach (as seems the case with Kimmy) that's fair. If a reporter investigates the private "love life" of a player (as with Jennifer) that is not (so long as she's not involved with anyone who has authority re. draws, calls, etc.)


you are right.....it's not the problem of a "journaleux"......

Alfie
Jul 15th, 2005, 06:04 AM
what was the reason behind Kim and Lleyton's breakup?

But this other article from Cronin at the tennisreporters site including Kim's quote "I made the right decision and I'm happy" imply that she broke up with Hewitt. :confused:

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THE ******************** NEWSLETTER: thursDAY, MARCH 10, NO. 118
exclusive
With Hewitt behind her, happy Clijsters looks to bright future
Kim:' I believe everything will turn out positive for both sides'

By Matthew Cronin, ********************

FROM THE PACIFIC LIFE OPEN – AT INDIAN WELLS – On Thursday, Kim Clijsters might run into Lleyton Hewitt for the first time since she ended their engagement last fall. If not on Thursday when Hewitt arrives at the Pacific Life Open to discuss his new engagement to actress Bec Cartwright and why he just parted ways with his longtime management firm, Octagon, there will be another time when tennis' most famous ex-couple cross paths. Clijsters will be fine with it.

"I made the right decision and I'm happy," Clijsters told ********************. "I believe that if you stay positive, everything will turn out positive for both sides. That's the most important thing at the end of the day – that you're both happy. I think that will happen for both of us."

Clijsters is also hoping that she can return to the form that brought her to the No. 1 ranking in the summer of 2003 and to three Slam finals: Roland Garros '03, the US Open '03 and the Aussie Open '04 (all losses to her arch rival, Justine Henin-Hardenne). In only her second tournament back, she appears to be striking the ball nearly as well as she did before she hurt her wrist last year at the same locale. Currently ranked No. 134, she believes she can climb back to the top. But she has a very long way to go.

"I think I can," she said. "If you don't feel you can do it, you wouldn't try. Once you've tasted the best, it would hard to be hanging around. That's what your train for and that what motivates you to get back. If you don't, it's always going to be disappointing. On the other hand, going through what I went through and being told I might not be able to play again, if someone handed me a contract last fall and said that you can play again but never be more than Top-20 player, I would have signed it right away."

LESS OPEN TO THE MEDIA
Clijsters hasn't discussed her break-up with Hewitt before and had such a negative experience with some members of the Belgian press when she called it off last October that she's become extremely apprehensive about her relationship with media. Previous to the break-up, she was one of the tour's most accessible players, winning the International Tennis Writers' Association 2003 Ambassador of the Year Award, which goes to the most accessible player and the person who goes out of her way to promote the sport.

She felt she was unfairly grilled in Antwerp two weeks ago when she returned to the tour and is still upset at her national media for digging too deeply into her personal life after the split, accusing some outlets of fabricating stories. She was so upset in October that she published a long and somewhat vitriolic critique of her national press on her web site.

"I've never been it situation like that before," Clijsters said. "It was a bad experience. It didn't bother me, but when it involved my sister and my family and my friends, it did. Some were saying I was dating other guys, which wasn't true, and I said 'This is too much.' I had to stop it. If you don't do anything, it would have kept going on."

Up until after her 6-2, 6-1 destruction of Nicole Pratt in the Pacific Life first round on Wednesday, Clijsters had refused to talk the press because she was deeply concerned that the Hewitt issue would come up and, with the Aussie on the grounds, it would make it even more uncomfortable. "I'm an open person and if I want to talk about something, I do," she said.

But after a revealing press conference in which she talked about her personal growth last year while injured, Clijsters sat down with TR.net privately and displayed a fairly clear understanding of the role of a sports celebrity in society, and why the Hewitt issue won't just go away because she wishes that all her private matters be kept between her, her family and friends.

REHAB PERIOD OPENED NEW VISTAS
The Belgian ended her nine-month engagement to Hewitt just a couple of weeks after she re-injured her surgically repaired left wrist at a tournament in Hasselt and was told she might never play tennis again. She and Hewitt had begun dating when she was a mere 16-years-old and she really didn't know any other life than the tour, which can be insolated. But during her time off rehabbing, she spent a tremendous amount of time in Belgium, meeting new friends and learning about life outside the sport. The now 21-year-old says she matured a ton and is emotionally recovered from the break-up

"I'm very happy," Clijsters said. "It's the past. I've learned so much out of those five years and it's an experience that everyone should have. For a few weeks, it was very tough. But my family was there for me. Having that stability really helped me. For the first time, I got to do a lot of things with my sister, Elke, and that was really great because before she was off in boarding school and I was playing. It made me forget other things that were bothering me. I grew as a person."

Hewitt became engaged to Cartwright, just six weeks after he began dating her.

Clijsters has also branched out, talking about how she'd like to grow organic produce, open an all-inclusive spa and health club, or even renovate an old home. She's happy and believes that both she and Hewitt will have bright futures apart.

Siggi Bucher
Kim Clijsters reacts to her last big-match success, getting to the finals of the '04 Australian Open.
From No Career to Renewed Career
On court life looked bright after the win over Pratt, but didn't' look so great after she re-injured her wrist at Hasselt. The doctors told her she might not ever play again. She didn't want to hear it, but did consider other options.

"You start thinking: 'What am I going to do next? What am I interested in?' You don't accept that. You don't want to think like that. I had a lot of ideas and I was thinking of creating options for myself. I was still hitting but that could frustrating because I had no real goal and I was just training to train. Sometimes I was saying, 'Who cares?' I could only hit forehands and slice. But I felt like I still want to play. I missed tennis so much. You miss the competition. I definitely felt like I wasn't ready to quit. If I had had to, it would have been really tough. But luckily I'm feeling well now."

While at home, Clijsters reconnected with her country. Traveling the globe for the past six years has been nice in some ways, but because of her relationship with Hewitt, she was rarely in her place of birth.

"Over the last five years I was more in Australia and now I was in Belgium and I was able to meet a lot of people and do a lot of things that I've never been able to do," she said. "And that's been the best part about it. I built a house and that was finished about a year and a half ago. I was there for six months, got a new dog; it's just little things. Just looking after them and being in that routine at home, it was fun. But I was still following the tennis."

KEEPING TWO HANDS ON THE RACKET
During her time off, a number of analysts suggested that Clijsters switch to a one-handed backhand and return to the tour that way. But that was never going to happen for a woman who essentially made her living with her flat two-handed drive and topper, her most consistent and arguably most lethal shot. With a one-hander, she'd likely be no better than a Top 50 player. She says her backhand stroke might be a little shorter now because she was encouraged to cut down on her loop to save her wrist from too much pain during rehab, but she's says it's not dramatic switch.

"I can't completely change to a one-hander. It's ridiculous. I'm not like that" she said. "People on the street would come up and say that to me. It's almost impossible to make that change after all these years and there's no reason to. You train to come back and play the big matches against top players, not to just use the slice. If I would have done that in the very big matches, it would be a weakness."

One of things that drives Clijsters is getting back in the big arena again and feeling the charge that comes with playing her great rivals. Two weeks ago in Antwerp in her first tournament back, she upended Nadia Petrova before falling to Venus Williams. She was pleased with her overall play.

"From the moment I saw the draw in Antwerp, I wanted to play Petrova," said Clijsters. "I played [Jelena] Kostanic in the first round and she's tough, but I really wanted to play someone like Nadia because she's up there. It felt like a great victory. Venus played really well against me. We had some incredible rallies and so many deuce games. She hit so many aces. But I liked my level."

Whether Clijsters can climb back into the Top 5 and challenge Lindsay Davenport, Maria Sharapova, Amelie Mauresmo, and Serena Williams remains to be seen.

But Mauresmo believes she will an elite player again. "I saw her play in Antwerp and I didn't see any difference," Mauresmo said. "Maybe she's a little rusty, but that's natural. She's still hitting the ball great."

That's important to Clijsters, but just as significant is directing her life the way she wants to. She steering her own ship, on court and off.

"Your personal life reflects on the court as well," she said. "It's a combination of the two. If you balance well, you can play your best as well.

Larrybidd
Jul 15th, 2005, 06:42 AM
So this guy Cronin seems to think it is the obligation of a "sports celebrity" to forget about the notion of a private life? Interesting.

Really, I as a sports fan have no "right to know" why Kim split with Hewitt. Frankly, I always thought she was way to sweet to be with that guy, but hey what do I know? And it ain't my business. She's a tennis player, for christsake, not Prime Minister. I have no doubt that all this very personal stuff is quite interesting to many people - and frankly I sure this guy is merely trying to give the people what they want, so as to profit - but when you invade someone's area of privacy and write about a sensitive and purely personal matter, player's have the good cause to be really, really, mad at you, and not give you anymore personal stuff.

Does this guy really feel that as long as what is writes is "true" to the best of his knowledge, that these players should't be mad at him? If he really cares about the game then be decent enough to respect a players' zone of privacy, so that the player's will be comfortable enough with the press to be open with them. A players should be able to share enough of herself with the public so as to get a sense of her personality, while not be obligated to publish her personal diary on the internet.

hingis-seles
Jul 15th, 2005, 08:55 AM
I always thought Kim broke up with Lleyki because Mum Hewitt was too interfering. I remember reading that.

Tichi
Jul 15th, 2005, 09:16 AM
That's also the story that came up the most here in Belgium.
The relationship was ended by Kim because she couldn't stand the interfering of mother Hewitt. Clijsters' en Hewitts family had different opinions about the whole wedding-thing.

middy
Jul 15th, 2005, 10:28 AM
That's also the story that came up the most here in Belgium.
The relationship was ended by Kim because she couldn't stand the interfering of mother Hewitt. Clijsters' en Hewitts family had different opinions about the whole wedding-thing.

I've never understood Hewitts itch for getting married so quickly anyway. Some of my Aussie friends say that the Hewitts are kind of mental, any Aussies who care to add on this?

Cris Senior
Jul 15th, 2005, 10:44 AM
If a reporter simply quotes a player or a coach (as seems the case with Kimmy) that's fair. If a reporter investigates the private "love life" of a player (as with Jennifer) that is not (so long as she's not involved with anyone who has authority re. draws, calls, etc.)
Who are you? The new Pope dictating behavior to the press? To begin with, in case you haven't noticed, freedom of speech and reporting are upheld in all democratic countries, so your self-righteous, prudishly sanctimonious pronouncements are irrelevant. How old are you? You sound very unexxxperienced in the busines of life.
One thing for sure, Mr Naive, most people look first for gossip in a newspaper and if the papers would follow your "prescriptions" , they'd have to close shop in a month.
Finally, Mattew Cronin's problems with Capriati stem from his reporting of night of fun she had in Tampa with famous porn star Dale Dabone. Big deal,
CS

Spunky83
Jul 15th, 2005, 01:07 PM
Come on Nastya, forgive Mr. Cronin for telling the whole world that your mum had cancer...heīs just doing his job :tape: :o (Nastya herself didnīt want to specify the illness)

You know actually heīs one of my fave tennis-writers out there, his articles are always a bit different from the whole rest and somehow his stories are always true. He likes to add a bit drama into the whole sport but well...tennis is not only about the sport itself but also about the actual human being that stands behind it, so...even though he writes about stuff he isnīt supposed to do, I kinda like admire his "I write what I want cause itīs true!"-attitude. You should post the whole interview, itīs really interesting what that guy had to say (although heīs a bad live commentator - Grand Slam - radio live broadcaster)

JennyS
Jul 15th, 2005, 02:39 PM
Who are you? The new Pope dictating behavior to the press? To begin with, in case you haven't noticed, freedom of speech and reporting are upheld in all democratic countries, so your self-righteous, prudishly sanctimonious pronouncements are irrelevant. How old are you? You sound very unexxxperienced in the busines of life.
One thing for sure, Mr Naive, most people look first for gossip in a newspaper and if the papers would follow your "prescriptions" , they'd have to close shop in a month.
Finally, Mattew Cronin's problems with Capriati stem from his reporting of night of fun she had in Tampa with famous porn star Dale Dabone. Big deal,
CS

Nobody ever said that they had a "night of fun" in Tampa. All that was reported by Dabone was that they met with a large group of friends. There is a difference between a group of friends meeting for drinks and being in a relationship with someone.

IMO it IS disrespectful to people to spread rumors that two people are a couple whether they are porn stars, tennis players, dentists or plumbers. For instance, if either Dale or Jen was in a relationship with someone else such a rumor could be very damaging. Plus, plenty of media people(ex: Jim Rome) were saying some nasty things about Jen when it was thought she was dating a porn star.

TonyP
Jul 15th, 2005, 03:02 PM
If Matt actually wrote this, which looks pretty sloppy in some ways, I have a big question for him. Consider the meaning of his statement:

"There's always a place for good, reality-based stories."

"Reality-based" stories???? This is not show business. This is not commercial television. Journalism is not supposed to be "based" on reality, it is supposed to be RESTRICTED to reality. You can't alter or suppliment the facts with things that are made up just to fill out the story or make it more interesting.

Journalism is supposed to be the truth and Nothing But the Truth.

If Matt Cronin, a man who I have respected for years, is admitting in print that his stories are only "based" on reality, but not necessarily restricted to reality, then journalism is in a great deal of trouble.

Veritas
Jul 15th, 2005, 03:04 PM
I've also broken some very sensitive stories over the years, including four over the past nine months that have caused me minor personal troubles with players and coaches who I've had good relationships with: Daniela Hantuchova's admission that her weight loss was caused by her parent's split; Brad Gilbert's trouble with Andy Roddick's father and what role that played in their split; the reason behind Kim Clijsters' break-up with Lleyton Hewitt; and the reason behind Anastasia Myskina's poor play -- her mother's cancer.

I'm happy to say that I'm now in good standing with everyone except for Myskina, whom I'm not sure where I stand with right now. But the other relationships were touch and go for a while. But you know that going in and have to be willing to take a risk, otherwise the stories will never get done. And if they don't, there will be less interesting copy out there, which is terrible for the sport. There's always a place for good, reality-based stories. Unfortunately, the players' handlers sometimes don't see it that way. That's a fight we are always fighting.

On another front, there is one player who I once had a great relationship with who is still furious with me -- Jennifer Capriati. That's because TR.net wrote a story earlier this year that she didn't want to see the light of day and she blames me for not calling her and fact-checking it. My bad for not making the call, but I was on vacation at the time and I trusted our reporter's sources and still do. I regret that Jennifer sees me as the world's biggest a-hole, but she hasn't picked up the phone either and heard my side, either. Hopefully, when I see her later this summer, we'll make good, because I still respect her immensely.

(retrieved from tennis-x.com, "Tennis-X 5 Questions: Matt Cronin, ********************, 6/23/05).

So I wonder what story it was from earlier this year that made Jennifer so mad? Anyone know.

I have little to no sympathy for this reporter. Media is always a controversial business and he should know better than the tennis players themselves what kind of position he's putting all of them in (including himself) when he decides to write and publish stories.

And it's a laugh he's moaning about Capriati not calling him to hear what he has to say. Shouldn't he be the one taking the initiative?

Cris Senior
Jul 16th, 2005, 12:17 AM
Nobody ever said that they had a "night of fun" in Tampa. All that was reported by Dabone was that they met with a large group of friends. There is a difference between a group of friends meeting for drinks and being in a relationship with someone.

IMO it IS disrespectful to people to spread rumors that two people are a couple whether they are porn stars, tennis players, dentists or plumbers. For instance, if either Dale or Jen was in a relationship with someone else such a rumor could be very damaging. Plus, plenty of media people(ex: Jim Rome) were saying some nasty things about Jen when it was thought she was dating a porn star.
What is it with this 19th c old fashioned sanctimomeous moralizing?
Rumors about two people being a couple could very damaging? To whom? Where do you live?Lalaland? or Nevereverland?
Well.Miss Prissy, don't miss your church on Sunday.

*JR*
Jul 16th, 2005, 12:28 AM
What is it with this 19th c old fashioned sanctimomeous moralizing?
Rumors about two people being a couple could very damaging? To whom? Where do you live?Lalaland? or Nevereverland?
Well.Miss Prissy, don't miss your church on Sunday.
It's not a matter of whether any relationship they may have had was "moral" or not. It was the invasion of privacy. As a porn star "screws for a living", it probably wouldn't damage his reputation. (And in an "ideal world", it wouldn't re. Jennifer). But she apparently didn't appreciate being "outed" this way, whether its true or not.

JennyS
Jul 16th, 2005, 01:34 AM
What is it with this 19th c old fashioned sanctimomeous moralizing?
Rumors about two people being a couple could very damaging? To whom? Where do you live?Lalaland? or Nevereverland?
Well.Miss Prissy, don't miss your church on Sunday.

I'm Jewish:)

TF Chipmunk
Jul 16th, 2005, 02:17 AM
Kim refused to have premarital sex. Hewitt said he was tired of waiting, and she needs to give him some. or the relationship is over. Kim said 'suit youself '....no, go f*** yourself. So he did, but it was no fun, so he found Bec, and now comes marriage and the baby carriage.Ok.Just kidding. that's my version. ;)
:lol: That's a funny version, but I don't think it was over something like that.

And I think it's sort of pathetic that Matt Cronin basically befriends tennis players just to get a scoop...like when he says: "if they don't, there will be less interesting copy out there,"...

I don't know, that's the message I got from that little excerpt.

tennnisfannn
Jul 16th, 2005, 05:32 AM
and why does this cronin guy think player's personal info is his to disclose? It is glorified gossip!

Cris Senior
Jul 16th, 2005, 07:40 AM
It's not a matter of whether any relationship they may have had was "moral" or not. It was the invasion of privacy. As a porn star "screws for a living", it probably wouldn't damage his reputation. (And in an "ideal world", it wouldn't re. Jennifer). But she apparently didn't appreciate being "outed" this way, whether its true or not.
Comment:
Welcome to the real world of journalism. It is exactly that point of "invasion of privacy" that is the major commodity selling point for any media oulet be press or tv.Without it, circulation and profits will drop drastically, as for most people that is their preferred item.
It is not just Cronin. ALL journalits do it, especially in tennis where there is not a daily flow of news worthy items,

DomenicDemaria
Jul 16th, 2005, 08:28 AM
what was the reason behind Kim and Lleyton's breakup?

I heard that Lleyton's mum and Kim's mum didn't get on. They each wanted the wedding in their own country.

Spunky83
Jul 16th, 2005, 11:48 AM
Comment:
Welcome to the real world of journalism. It is exactly that point of "invasion of privacy" that is the major commodity selling point for any media oulet be press or tv.Without it, circulation and profits will drop drastically, as for most people that is their preferred item.
It is not just Cronin. ALL journalits do it, especially in tennis where there is not a daily flow of news worthy items,

True, itīs not about what the media says or writes or shows, itīs about the consumer and how he/she treats that piece of information she/he receives. Every day we are flooded by tons of different information and in the end itīs up to us how to handle it whether to believe it, not believe it or just laugh about it. Good media should be able to let the consumer question itīs function and accuracy, itīs not the Bible...which is why I think Cronin deserved a place in this world;)

SM
Jul 16th, 2005, 12:02 PM
I always thought Kim broke up with Lleyki because Mum Hewitt was too interfering. I remember reading that.
one of my friends from adelaide (now sydney) is friends with lleyton and from what i have heard it (the breakup) was not caused by him for the most part or very little at all. lleytons supposedly an awesome guy off court nothing like he seems when he is in battle.

*JR*
Jul 16th, 2005, 12:51 PM
Comment:
Welcome to the real world of journalism. It is exactly that point of "invasion of privacy" that is the major commodity selling point for any media oulet be press or tv.Without it, circulation and profits will drop drastically, as for most people that is their preferred item.
It is not just Cronin. ALL journalits do it, especially in tennis where there is not a daily flow of news worthy items,
OK, so its "good for the media" in terms of circulation and ad sales. But isn't a person (Jennifer) whose celebrity is based on tennis results (yes, including coming back from "the abyss" to win 3 Slams) entitled not 2B "outed" (whether the story is true or not)?

Cris Senior
Jul 16th, 2005, 11:43 PM
OK, so its "good for the media" in terms of circulation and ad sales. But isn't a person (Jennifer) whose celebrity is based on tennis results (yes, including coming back from "the abyss" to win 3 Slams) entitled not 2B "outed" (whether the story is true or not)?
I don't understand your last sentence. Can you rephrase it in a more clear, intelligeble English?
Just in case, celebrities, once they are judged to be so, transcend their professional fields and their whole life become s a public space. In the US the courts have upheld this to be true.To look at it otherwise, is just a puritanistic view of the world, a little outdated and uncool these days.

JennyS
Jul 16th, 2005, 11:46 PM
I don't understand your last sentence. Can you rephrase it in a more clear, intelligeble English?
Just in case, celebrities, once they are judged to be so, transcend their professional fields and their whole life become s a public space. In the US the cours have upheld this to be true.To olok at it otherwise, is just a puritanistic view of the world, a liytke outdated and uncool these days.

Do you work for the National Enquirer?

Calimero377
Jul 16th, 2005, 11:52 PM
What is it with this 19th c old fashioned sanctimomeous moralizing?
Rumors about two people being a couple could very damaging? To whom? Where do you live?Lalaland? or Nevereverland?
Well.Miss Prissy, don't miss your church on Sunday.


I'd like to know a little bit more about Ana Ivanovic's love life.
How does she do it? With whom?
Come on, tell us!

*JR*
Jul 17th, 2005, 12:01 AM
I don't understand your last sentence. Can you rephrase it in a more clear, intelligeble English?
Just in case, celebrities, once they are judged to be so, transcend their professional fields and their whole life become s a public space. In the US the cours have upheld this to be true.To olok at it otherwise, is just a puritanistic view of the world, a liytke outdated and uncool these days.
Indeed its legal to reveal most private things about public figures. I just said that its nobody else's business, especially since the player involved isn't "selling herself" to the public as a role model for "virtue" or whatever. (And isn't married or engaged).

Cris Senior
Jul 17th, 2005, 05:18 AM
Indeed its legal to reveal most private things about public figures. I just said that its nobody else's business, especially since the player involved isn't "selling herself" to the public as a role model for "virtue" or whatever. (And isn't married or engaged).
Comment:
"Business" implies, profits, the makimg of money, therefore it is their business.
You, not them , live in a Calvinist world.

Cris Senior
Jul 17th, 2005, 05:41 AM
I'd like to know a little bit more about Ana Ivanovic's love life.
How does she do it? With whom?
Come on, tell us!
Comment:
She loves her father and mother very much. She's been well protected and out of reach from molesters and voyeuristic pervs like you...she's, I'd say, well,very virginal. When travelling, her mother sticks to her like a stamp.By the way, are you still out in parole or are you back in the can in Munich?

Cris Senior
Jul 17th, 2005, 05:45 AM
Do you work for the National Enquirer?
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Do you work for the Evangelist Tower?

CanadianBoy21
Jul 17th, 2005, 07:20 AM
Comment:
She loves her father and mother very much. She's been well protected and out of reach from molesters and voyeuristic pervs like you...she's, I'd say, well,very virginal. When travelling, her mother sticks to her like a stamp.

Seems like you do too. :lol:

Cris Senior
Jul 17th, 2005, 07:27 AM
Comment:
She loves her father and mother very much. She's been well protected and out of reach from molesters and voyeuristic pervs like you...she's, I'd say, well,very virginal. When travelling, her mother sticks to her like a stamp.

Seems like you do too. :lol:
Canadian mountain boy, it sounds like you can stick to a cow like leech.

*JR*
Jul 17th, 2005, 03:10 PM
Comment:
"Business" implies, profits, the makimg of money, therefore it is their business.
You, not them , live in a Calvinist world.
You're mixing up 2 different concepts here (the public's "business", and that of one Jennifer Capriati). Indeed the latter "conducts business" as a pro tennis player (and hopefully will be able to continue to do so).

Perhaps re. the public, I should have said "right to know". If Jennifer were running for some political office, or even leading a Girl Scout troop, her sex life would be "fair game" for the public to know something about.

But she's not. You also accuse anyone who simply says that she deserves a zone of privacy in this area of being something (such as a Calvinist) which implies the person is somehow "judging her" (negatively) on this.
:confused:

Cris Senior
Jul 17th, 2005, 11:40 PM
You're mixing up 2 different concepts here (the public's "business", and that of one Jennifer Capriati). Indeed the latter "conducts business" as a pro tennis player (and hopefully will be able to continue to do so).

Perhaps re. the public, I should have said "right to know". If Jennifer were running for some political office, or even leading a Girl Scout troop, her sex life would be "fair game" for the public to know something about.

But she's not. You also accuse anyone who simply says that she deserves a zone of privacy in this area of being something (such as a Calvinist) which implies the person is somehow "judging her" (negatively) on this.
:confused:
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Hey, hey, measure you words! I am not "accusing" anyone of anything/You are an oversensitive type with severe low self-esteem issues who sees attacks and accusations everywhere. Deal with this issue yourself and DO NOT drag others into it.
By the way, for what is worth, a person doesn't have to be running for public office for her sex life to be consider public. One can quicly see that in this matter, sex life, you don't have much of an experience. Go get some before you talk about it.
As far as I am concerned this was a playful discussion of ideas, but on the basis of your inappropriate reactions, I am terminating this exchange ipso facto.