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Crazy Canuck
May 4th, 2005, 06:52 AM
Hypothetically speaking, if my new roomates are picking up somebody elses signal, is it wrong blah for them to be using it? I ask because I think they are cheap bastards and would just as well pay for one. If it's illegal or whatever then I could use that to convince them. Oh, hypothetically of course. ;)

esquímaux
May 4th, 2005, 07:01 AM
It's awesome, you should join in :angel: ;)

Crazy Canuck
May 4th, 2005, 07:03 AM
How do you think I'm posting at the moment? :p

But if it's not okay I don't want to keep doing it. The connection sucks and I want an excuse to get something better.

They're already stealing cable, isn't that enough? ;)

bw2082
May 4th, 2005, 07:09 AM
it's wrong to do so... the person who is running the router didn't take the necessary precautions to stop such things from happening.

esquímaux
May 4th, 2005, 07:10 AM
Yes, they should get it encrypted :D

Wannabeknowitall
May 4th, 2005, 07:15 AM
Technically it's not illegal. Unless you're doing something illegal on the wireless connection. It is wrong though. It's not your fault that the wireless card picks up any signal. They should get it encrypted.

Crazy Canuck
May 4th, 2005, 07:18 AM
I realize that they can do something to make us not be able to access it... they just apparently don't know what they are doing, because it's been like this for two years, apaprently (before I moved in).

As long as it's not illegal, I guess that kills that part of the argument. I might just hook myself up and they can do whatever. As i said, the connection blows. Oh, and yes, it's wrong ;)

bw2082
May 4th, 2005, 07:27 AM
it's like stealing cable from them

Zhao
May 4th, 2005, 08:27 AM
its not illegal
they shd set MAC list or using wep :)

BigB08822
May 4th, 2005, 12:37 PM
I'm doing it right now as well. However, I have tried now for over a month to get cable/internet and COX wont do it. They heard it from me real good yesterday!

alfonsojose
May 4th, 2005, 12:47 PM
Hypothetically speaking, if my new roomates are picking up somebody elses signal, is it wrong blah for them to be using it? I ask because I think they are cheap bastards and would just as well pay for one. If it's illegal or whatever then I could use that to convince them. Oh, hypothetically of course. ;)
BAN !! ;)

SelesFan70
May 4th, 2005, 01:07 PM
I love how people are blaming the people that actually purchased a wireless router and not setting it up with encryption instead of the person stealing from them. :o

ico4498
May 4th, 2005, 01:49 PM
its low level hacking but hacking nonetheless ... and hacking is illegal.

AT&T and Time Warner took a few offenders to court. only a misdemeanor, but yes it is most definitely illegal.

btw, some service providers don't really give a damn. Qwest is on record as saying if their paying customer doesn't mind its cool with them. if your neighbor's bandwith isn't secure ... they're open to much worse than internet leeches.

JonBcn
May 4th, 2005, 01:59 PM
Thats right. You should teach your careless neighbour a lesson by frequenting child pornography sites until the FBI come a-knocking for him.*














* best not ;)

ys
May 4th, 2005, 02:09 PM
That's the right thing to do , Becca.. That's what I am doing too.. My wireless connection is not WEPed either. I don't mind my neighbours using it, as long as my router firewall does not let them into my network and as long as they don't use too much bandwidth. That's what all freedom-loving people should do - fighting fat ISPs.

Wigglytuff
May 4th, 2005, 02:54 PM
its low level hacking but hacking nonetheless ... and hacking is illegal.

AT&T and Time Warner took a few offenders to court. only a misdemeanor, but yes it is most definitely illegal.

btw, some service providers don't really give a damn. Qwest is on record as saying if their paying customer doesn't mind its cool with them. if your neighbor's bandwith isn't secure ... they're open to much worse than internet leeches.

i had an open network a while back,
orginally that was not my plan, but my brand of router is not easy to configure and it took me a few weeks just to figure out how to have it not drop the signal every fifteen minutes without the encryption. let alone how to have it encrypted without it dropping the signal.
and i have been using computers for some 14 years, and had a q-link connection before the internet was the internet.

my point is, depending on your set up, these things can be VERY hard to configure, routers dont tell you how to do it. so some people may have an open signal thinking because setting up a wep key, limiting the number of DHCP users, hiding the SSID, regularly changing that SSID and so on, all the things one needs to do to keep hacking leeches off a network are not thing one thinks to do intuitively. :( :sad:

so after i figured out how to get all these thing to work in tandem without dropping my signal, i left my network open still longer, just to be nice, but someone was hogging bandwith and being a dick. so now its closed. people who hog like that suck, because of them its hard to find places that have a free public wireless open connection.

Crazy Canuck
May 4th, 2005, 07:25 PM
I love how people are blaming the people that actually purchased a wireless router and not setting it up with encryption instead of the person stealing from them. :o

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that you haven't read any of my posts in this thread. Or you know, half the other posts in this thread that tell me it may not be illegal but it's "wrong" (a point that I actually agreed with).. although there seems to be disagreement on whether or not it's illegal.

It's not wrong to point out that the people with the connection should change their settings. They live in a townhouse unit. There are probably 4 other units in range of them, if not more.

Regardless, the connection is weak and it was dead this morning, so that solves my problem. I'll PAY for a good connection :yeah:

Crazy Canuck
May 4th, 2005, 07:26 PM
Thats right. You should teach your careless neighbour a lesson by frequenting child pornography sites until the FBI come a-knocking for him.*














* best not ;)

:scared:




















:haha:

SelesFan70
May 4th, 2005, 08:21 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that you haven't read any of my posts in this thread. Or you know, half the other posts in this thread that tell me it may not be illegal but it's "wrong" (a point that I actually agreed with).. although there seems to be disagreement on whether or not it's illegal.

It's not wrong to point out that the people with the connection should change their settings. They live in a townhouse unit. There are probably 4 other units in range of them, if not more.

Regardless, the connection is weak and it was dead this morning, so that solves my problem. I'll PAY for a good connection :yeah:

:kiss: :angel:

Fingon
May 4th, 2005, 08:24 PM
Technically it's not illegal. Unless you're doing something illegal on the wireless connection. It is wrong though. It's not your fault that the wireless card picks up any signal. They should get it encrypted.

if you think WEP encryption can protect can protect a network, all I can say is :haha:

it's like locking the door, will keep most people out but if a thief really wants to get in, they will. There are a lot of free tools to break wep encryption that is basically flawed.

You would really need intrusion detection software (like having an alarm).

Fingon
May 4th, 2005, 08:26 PM
I realize that they can do something to make us not be able to access it... they just apparently don't know what they are doing, because it's been like this for two years, apaprently (before I moved in).

As long as it's not illegal, I guess that kills that part of the argument. I might just hook myself up and they can do whatever. As i said, the connection blows. Oh, and yes, it's wrong ;)

as long as you understand that you are as exposed as they are, it's fine.

And of course you could catch any virus, worm or whatever is on their network.

Crazy Canuck
May 5th, 2005, 03:01 AM
So what is the verdict? Some of you insist it's legal, others say that it's not ;)

I do not understand how this would qualify as "hacking", seeing as I did absolutely nothing. I came home and was picking up the signal. I didn't have to click through anything to get on, it did it automatically.

However, I don't know anything about this sort of thing which is why I asked :)

Thanks for the help, everybody - even if the verdict is split ;)

At the end I've decided to pay for connection either way, because frankly? This one stinks. And I like to download a LOT. I'm not a big enough jerk to eat up that much bandwidth on somebody elses connection. Not being able to download atm is killing me, but I'll manage;)

ico4498
May 5th, 2005, 09:24 PM
how can you read the responses without downloading?

you're certainly not the first petty criminal to plead ignorance.

gentenaire
May 5th, 2005, 09:48 PM
stupid of them not to have it encrypted

it's the first thing I did

I pay a lot for this connection, don't want anyone else stealing my bandwidth.

ys
May 5th, 2005, 10:45 PM
Why should you even care that anyone uses your bandwidth while you are not using it?

And the idea that someone can use your bandwidth to access child porn sites and set you up by that is also quite laughable, as any wireless router always has a log of all connections, so you could always prove that it is not your PC from which an illegal deed was done. Of course it won't defend you from hackers .. but for that matter .. with the resources of home network nothing will, if someone skillfull will be really committed to hacking your network.

gentenaire
May 6th, 2005, 07:41 AM
Why should you even care that anyone uses your bandwidth while you are not using it?

What makes you think they'll only use it when I'm not?

There's a limit to how much you can download, I've never exceeded it, far from it, but my father once did because someone else had hacked into his computer and used his bandwidth. My father suddenly had to pay extra in order to get online again. So yes, I care!
(btw, the hacking happened when the basestation was broken so my father connected to the net directly, without the added safety of that router and ta-dam, he was hacked.)

controlfreak
May 6th, 2005, 10:20 AM
The best thing is that if they didn't set up WEP, then they probably didn't change the default password on their router's config system... so with a little research, you can log in as the router admin, change the password, and then start fiddling with the settings!

Wigglytuff
May 6th, 2005, 02:01 PM
stupid of them not to have it encrypted

it's the first thing I did

I pay a lot for this connection, don't want anyone else stealing my bandwidth.
um,
again, it takes more than WEP to protect your computer. WEP can be hacked in SECONDS with free software.
"If you have a wireless access point, you know what WEP is, for those that don't it is the Wired Equivalent Privacy. WEP is used to encrypt data that is traveling over the wireless airwaves, sadly most home wireless access points use a system to create the WEP keys which involves the user typing in a word and the access point generating the keys from that word. This method should be strongly avoided due to a program called "BLEEPED-OUT FOR YOUR PROTECTION", it uses a wordlist to decipher the word used to create the key, thus the key itself"

Crazy Canuck
May 6th, 2005, 02:12 PM
how can you read the responses without downloading?

you're certainly not the first petty criminal to plead ignorance.

I meant downloading above and beyond that.

Regardless, we get connection in a week and I've been doing most of my stuff from the library (ie: this, right now), so I doubt i'm putting them out too much.

Crazy Canuck
May 6th, 2005, 02:13 PM
The best thing is that if they didn't set up WEP, then they probably didn't change the default password on their router's config system... so with a little research, you can log in as the router admin, change the password, and then start fiddling with the settings!
:o

gentenaire
May 6th, 2005, 02:20 PM
um,
again, it takes more than WEP to protect your computer. WEP can be hacked in SECONDS with free software.
"If you have a wireless access point, you know what WEP is, for those that don't it is the Wired Equivalent Privacy. WEP is used to encrypt data that is traveling over the wireless airwaves, sadly most home wireless access points use a system to create the WEP keys which involves the user typing in a word and the access point generating the keys from that word. This method should be strongly avoided due to a program called "BLEEPED-OUT FOR YOUR PROTECTION", it uses a wordlist to decipher the word used to create the key, thus the key itself"

That's not how it works in my case. I don't have to log in or anything, I simply told my base station what computers were allowed on it. Of course it's not perfect protection, it is good protection against neighbours accidently discovering they have wireless internet access.

ys
May 6th, 2005, 02:25 PM
What makes you think they'll only use it when I'm not?

There's a limit to how much you can download, I've never exceeded it, far from it, but my father once did because someone else had hacked into his computer and used his bandwidth.

You mean, there are traffic limitations over there in Eurotardia? I guess we are spoiled here with unlimited traffic..

Wigglytuff
May 6th, 2005, 05:05 PM
That's not how it works in my case. I don't have to log in or anything, I simply told my base station what computers were allowed on it. Of course it's not perfect protection, it is good protection against neighbours accidently discovering they have wireless internet access.

what encryption are you using?
wep? wap? other?

or are you using mac address filtering? which as far as i know is not encrypted...

Crazy Canuck
May 6th, 2005, 11:44 PM
Maybe my tonsilitis is God's way of paying me back for being a horrible person?

Barrie_Dude
May 7th, 2005, 12:13 AM
As far as I am concerned, no biggie! I am in Starbucks quite often with my laptop and wireless modem and use it