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harloo
May 2nd, 2005, 10:16 PM
http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/Images/MoviePics/c/crash.jpg
STARRING:Sandra Bullock (http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile.php?id=1486), Don Cheadle (http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile.php?id=1938), Matt Dillon (http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile.php?id=1112), Jennifer Esposito (http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile.php?id=2167), Brendan Fraser (http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile.php?id=173), Jason Isaacs (http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile.php?id=701), Ludacris (http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile.php?id=253), Thandie Newton (http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile.php?id=1623), Ryan Phillippe (http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile.php?id=1460), Larenz Tate (http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile.php?id=956), Keith David (http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile.php?id=902), Nona M. Gaye (http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile.php?id=3713), Michael Pena (http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile.php?id=3755), Terrence Dashon Howard (http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile.php?id=4014), Daniel Dae Kim (http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile.php?id=6652), Jack McGee (http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile.php?id=6701)
DIRECTOR:Paul Haggis (http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/director.php?id=827)
SCREENWRITER:Paul Haggis (http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile.php?id=6532)
STUDIO:Lions Gate Films
RATING:R
GENRE Drama RELEASE DATE: May 6, 2005 (http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/movies/upcoming.php?y=2005&m=5)
WEBSITE:Official Site (http://www.crashfilm.com/)


THE STORY:
A provocative, unflinching look at the complexities of racial conflict in America, CRASH is that rare cinematic event - a film that challenges audiences to question their own prejudices. Diving headlong into the diverse melting pot of post-9/11 Los Angeles, this compelling urban drama tracks the volatile intersections of a multi-ethnic cast, examining fear and bigotry from multiple perspectives as characters careen in and out of one anotherís lives. No one is safe in the battle zones of racial strife. And no one is immune to the simmering rage that sparks violence - and changes lives...


This is recieving rave reviews, can't wait to check it out.

tennisIlove09
May 2nd, 2005, 10:17 PM
I love Sandra Bullock, so yes I'm going

and Ryan Phillippe :drool: God, I'll take some him on the side (or back or front) :haha:

harloo
May 2nd, 2005, 10:18 PM
I love Sandra Bullock, so yes I'm going

and Ryan Phillippe :drool: God, I'll take some him on the side (or back or front) :haha:

Did you see Miss Congeniality 2? I thought the first one was better, but the second was funny also.;)

tennisIlove09
May 2nd, 2005, 10:23 PM
No, I skipped that one. I didnt want the first one to be ruined forever by the second. It looked horrible :tape:

rated_next
May 2nd, 2005, 10:24 PM
this movie looks really good :) -- plus it's getting great reviews

kiwifan
May 2nd, 2005, 10:46 PM
Yes, it looks deep/thought provoking and entertaining; and its getting great reviews. :cool:

BigB08822
May 2nd, 2005, 10:49 PM
Its so crazy how everything is now "Post 9/11" as if it is a whole new era. I suppose in a way it is.

Cariaoke
May 3rd, 2005, 12:06 AM
I saw the trailers for it and couldn't figure out wth it's about. I knew it was suspense/thriller/action but what is the actual story about?

After reading the description, I must see this film! It has a lot of my favorite actors in it and the subject matter is intriguing.

I think when most people see "Post 9/11" they read it as Arab= terrorist/criminal, suspicious, not to be trusted, much like black people are viewed presently in American society. It's calmed down a lot in the last year or so but I still see people get nervous when a person that looks Middle Eastern/Indian is in the airport and especially on their flight. Also they read it as anybody is capable of terrorism and it can happen in America (which they should have known with the OK City bombing and Eric Robert Rudolph's rampage).

So, it'll be interesting to see if there's a portrayal of scared white folk jumping to conclusions and minority vs. minority conflict. If it's really intelligent or just a bunch of the same ol same ol.

kiwifan
May 3rd, 2005, 12:39 AM
Pre-9/11 many Los Angeles racial/social dramas would be described as "Post-Rodney King Riots".

I think marketers are simply trying to distinguish between "historical" race relations drama (black and white) and current stories (a rainbow of colors featuring people landing on all sides of racial and social conflict).

Further :topic: I must admit that 9-11 altered the "alignment of my world view" just like the fall of the Berlin Wall altered it a decade earlier...

...and not for the better.

I grew up, mainly in the 70's where there was a US v Them mentality - US being the Western World v. Them being the Commies. The fall of the Commies made my worldview one less interested in "minor international issues" and more concerned about internal issues. "The rest of the world can sort out their own business, I don't care."

Post 9/11, I'm definitely back to the US v. Them mentality...

...now if only I could figure out who's "US" and who's "Them" :shrug:

Rocketta
May 3rd, 2005, 12:47 AM
I want to see it! :bounce: :bounce:

azza
May 3rd, 2005, 02:41 AM
Oh god if it has Sandra Bullock my bf is so seeing that so guess i am :o:lol:

azza
May 3rd, 2005, 03:52 AM
I love Sandra Bullock, so yes I'm going

and Ryan Phillippe :drool: God, I'll take some him on the side (or back or front) :haha:

Lol!!! :lol::lol::lol:

azza
May 3rd, 2005, 05:43 AM
So this movie isnt about plane crash? :o

skanky~skanketta
May 3rd, 2005, 10:11 AM
havent seen it but is it an oscar type movie? think sandra could get a nomination?

adss
May 3rd, 2005, 12:11 PM
it looks really good, plus it's by the same guy who did million dollar baby so i'll like how it'll touch the social issue

Hot 92 Jamz
May 3rd, 2005, 12:35 PM
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid158/pa2be895ebca0ba3bc19ce282c8d25255/f50e05f3.jpg

Rocketta
May 3rd, 2005, 03:40 PM
Well I knew i was going as soon as I saw that Lorenz was in it. :hearts:

oh and Don Cheadle..:)

harloo
May 3rd, 2005, 04:53 PM
What I like about this movie is the fact that it will make you think once you leave the theatre. This is a brilliant cast and hopefully it lives up to all the hype.;)

Dana Marcy
May 3rd, 2005, 11:22 PM
I'm definitely going to see it. (Terrence Howard :hearts: ) I've seen the preview a few times at the movies and it looks good. (Terrence Howard :hearts: )

harloo
May 3rd, 2005, 11:26 PM
I'm definitely going to see it. (Terrence Howard :hearts: ) I've seen the preview a few times at the movies and it looks good. (Terrence Howard :hearts: )

Terrence Howard is a good actor, and somewhat funny. He's a bit arrogant though, met him while he was filming Love BeatThe Hell Out Of Me.

Don't rent it though, it's got to be one of the worst black movies ever made.;)

PaulieM
May 5th, 2005, 12:28 AM
i finally saw a preview for it, it looks pretty good i guess i might go see it. it has lots of actors that i like in it too which is nice:)

Rocketta
May 6th, 2005, 05:59 PM
I'm definitely trying to see this tonight! :woohoo:

Wigglytuff
May 6th, 2005, 06:17 PM
http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/Images/MoviePics/c/crash.jpg
STARRING:Sandra Bullock (http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile.php?id=1486), Don Cheadle (http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile.php?id=1938), Matt Dillon (http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile.php?id=1112), Jennifer Esposito (http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile.php?id=2167), Brendan Fraser (http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile.php?id=173), Jason Isaacs (http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile.php?id=701), Ludacris (http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile.php?id=253), Thandie Newton (http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile.php?id=1623), Ryan Phillippe (http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile.php?id=1460), Larenz Tate (http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile.php?id=956), Keith David (http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile.php?id=902), Nona M. Gaye (http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile.php?id=3713), Michael Pena (http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile.php?id=3755), Terrence Dashon Howard (http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile.php?id=4014), Daniel Dae Kim (http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile.php?id=6652), Jack McGee (http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile.php?id=6701)
DIRECTOR:Paul Haggis (http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/director.php?id=827)
SCREENWRITER:Paul Haggis (http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile.php?id=6532)
STUDIO:Lions Gate Films
RATING:R
GENRE Drama RELEASE DATE: May 6, 2005 (http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/movies/upcoming.php?y=2005&m=5)
WEBSITE:Official Site (http://www.crashfilm.com/)


THE STORY:
A provocative, unflinching look at the complexities of racial conflict in America, CRASH is that rare cinematic event - a film that challenges audiences to question their own prejudices. Diving headlong into the diverse melting pot of post-9/11 Los Angeles, this compelling urban drama tracks the volatile intersections of a multi-ethnic cast, examining fear and bigotry from multiple perspectives as characters careen in and out of one anotherís lives. No one is safe in the battle zones of racial strife. And no one is immune to the simmering rage that sparks violence - and changes lives...


This is recieving rave reviews, can't wait to check it out.

yes i am thinking about it.

Wigglytuff
May 6th, 2005, 06:23 PM
i want to add that this movie, from the trailer and what i have heard about it looks amazing, but i dont want to go see it alone

M2k
May 7th, 2005, 12:31 AM
Brendan Fraser -->:hearts: :hearts: *the guy from Gods and Monsters, right?* It should be a wonderful movie plus Sandra Bullock :hearts: and Don Cheadle :hearts:

Steam
May 7th, 2005, 03:06 AM
I think that I might go see this tonight. Looks interesting.

RVD
May 7th, 2005, 05:50 AM
Could whoever goes to see this movie come back and give us your honest critique? I'm batting 0 for XX with socially conscience (big screen) dramas. Hollywood has a way of diluting the truth so much that you wonder why they even made the flick. And critics just plan suck and are biased. So please, please, please...come back and tell us if it's worth viewing.
Thanks in advance. :wavey:

DemWilliamsGulls
May 7th, 2005, 07:09 AM
I heard that on the Radio this morning...they say its pretty Dayum good.

Steam
May 7th, 2005, 03:06 PM
I went to see this with a pretty diverse group last night, two white (myself included), two black, and one Puerto Rican. The two girls (black and white) didn't seem to enjoy it as much. Throughout the movie my black girl friend (I hate describing them this way but its probably the best for this movie) was just getting frustrated at the blatant stereotyping. Finally, at the end she was like "I didn't need to see a movie about stuff that I already knew existed" (and because of her dislike of a movie I recommended I'm forced to see "Hitchiker's Guide" tonight, shoot me now).

I, on the other hand, enjoyed the movie. It made you think about how you react to people who are different than you are. The entire cast was great with the exception of Terrence Dashon Howard's hair. Hell, even Ludacris did alright for himself. I give it a solid ***.

Sam L
May 7th, 2005, 03:19 PM
I'll probably just rent this on DVD when it comes out.

kiwifan
May 8th, 2005, 01:15 AM
Throughout the movie my black girl friend (I hate describing them this way but its probably the best for this movie) was just getting frustrated at the blatant stereotyping. Finally, at the end she was like "I didn't need to see a movie about stuff that I already knew existed"

I loved it!!! :cool: :cool: :cool:

The most "real" attitudes and conversations possibly ever on screen.

The most 3 dimensional characters; everyone has good and bad in them - Matt Dillon being the best example of the film (he was my favorite in the movie) after him, and I can't really believe it myself...

Ludacris :eek: :eek: :eek: did great stuff...

Keith David was only in it for a little bit but boy did he provide "food for thought"

Thandie Newton and Terrance Howard's argument was great stuff too. :yeah:

The woman who played the "Persian" daughter was also great (great looking too ;) )

...don't want to give anything away, but I almost broke down when the little girl was telling her dad how she'd protect him. :sad:

I thought everyone (not a big Bredan Frasier fan) did great. :)

I love that central premise; we all are "flawed and compromised" humans - and under the right/wrong circumstances we are all capable of doing the right thing or the wrong thing.

I give it 2 :yeah: :yeah:

"The feel bad movie of 2005!!!" :devil:

Rocketta
May 8th, 2005, 05:06 AM
I loved it!!! :cool: :cool: :cool:

The most "real" attitudes and conversations possibly ever on screen.

The most 3 dimensional characters; everyone has good and bad in them - Matt Dillon being the best example of the film (he was my favorite in the movie) after him, and I can't really believe it myself...

Ludacris :eek: :eek: :eek: did great stuff...

Keith David was only in it for a little bit but boy did he provide "food for thought"

Thandie Newton and Terrance Howard's argument was great stuff too. :yeah:

The woman who played the "Persian" daughter was also great (great looking too ;) )

...don't want to give anything away, but I almost broke down when the little girl was telling her dad how she'd protect him. :sad:

I thought everyone (not a big Bredan Frasier fan) did great. :)

I love that central premise; we all are "flawed and compromised" humans - and under the right/wrong circumstances we are all capable of doing the right thing or the wrong thing.

I give it 2 :yeah: :yeah:

"The feel bad movie of 2005!!!" :devil:

I co-sign this review! :yeah: :yeah:

definitely two thumbs up!

The scene with the little girl telling her dad that she protected him.....Oh MY GOD! tears! Snot! Not Good! But oh so GOOD! :D

Steam
May 8th, 2005, 05:59 AM
I co-sign this review! :yeah: :yeah:

definitely two thumbs up!

The scene with the little girl telling her dad that she protected him.....Oh MY GOD! tears! Snot! Not Good! But oh so GOOD! :D

Yeah, that was a pretty good scene. I had wondered about the previous scene involving the girl because it seemed overly drawn out but that scene made up for it.

I had wondered where I saw the actor who played the father before since he looked familiar but according to his imdb.com bio I never saw any of the other movies he's been in. That one is going to continue to bother me.

It was nice to see Jennifer Esposito's boob make an appearance too.

And how can anyone forget the acting genius that is Tony Danza?

Seeing Loretta Devine in the movie made me laugh too since she was hysterical in "Boston Public" and did a good job here as well.

Anyway, like I said I give it a recommendation.

(By the way, saw Hitchiker's Guide today and it SUCKED HARD).

Rocketta
May 8th, 2005, 06:08 AM
Yeah, that was a pretty good scene. I had wondered about the previous scene involving the girl because it seemed overly drawn out but that scene made up for it.

I had wondered where I saw the actor who played the father before since he looked familiar but according to his imdb.com bio I never saw any of the other movies he's been in. That one is going to continue to bother me.

It was nice to see Jennifer Esposito's boob make an appearance too.

And how can anyone forget the acting genius that is Tony Danza?

Seeing Loretta Devine in the movie made me laugh too since she was hysterical in "Boston Public" and did a good job here as well.

Anyway, like I said I give it a recommendation.

(By the way, saw Hitchiker's Guide today and it SUCKED HARD).

ah, could live without the boob but when Don Cheadle referred to her as white that was funny.

I'm trying to remember that guy who played the lock smith in Million Dollar Baby...He looks a little like that new latino cop on The Sheild.

Crazy Canuck
May 8th, 2005, 06:08 AM
I'd like to see it, but I'm pretty cheap. I'll wait until it come out on video probably ;) Or I might talk some friends into spending 20 bucks on a movie instead of beer... hmm.

I saw Don Cheatle on um.... some late night talk show last night or the night before, which piqued my interest in the film.

Rocketta
May 8th, 2005, 06:10 AM
Also, was Brandon Frazier's assistant played by Nona Gaye? I thought I recognized her. She's really pretty.

Crazy Canuck
May 8th, 2005, 06:11 AM
I'd like to see it, but I'm pretty cheap. I'll wait until it come out on video probably ;) Or I might talk some friends into spending 20 bucks on a movie instead of beer... hmm.

I saw Don Cheadle on um.... some late night talk show last night or the night before, which piqued my interest in the film.

Crazy Canuck
May 8th, 2005, 06:18 AM
I'd like to see it, but I'm pretty cheap. I'll wait until it come out on video probably ;) Or I might talk some friends into spending 20 bucks on a movie instead of beer... hmm.

I saw Don Cheadle on um.... some late night talk show last night or the night before, which piqued my interest in the film.

Rocketta
May 8th, 2005, 06:19 AM
wow, how did you manage to post the same post 7 minutes apart? :confused: :eek:

Crazy Canuck
May 8th, 2005, 06:27 AM
LOL! It's a long story. Poor connection told me that it never went through so I kept hitting submit every couple minutes.

I could go back and delete but it's sort of funny, no? ;)

Rocketta
May 8th, 2005, 05:31 PM
LOL! It's a long story. Poor connection told me that it never went through so I kept hitting submit every couple minutes.

I could go back and delete but it's sort of funny, no? ;)

ah I see! I've done that before.

Knizzle
May 8th, 2005, 05:50 PM
This movie was really good, it had me pissed off at points especially when the cop was molesting the woman while illegally searching her. When the old man shot the girl everyone in the whole movie theatre jumped. Great acting I thought in this movie, I was surprised at the good job Ludacris did for not being an actor and all. He definitely separated himself from "Ludacris" After awhile I forgot who he is outside the movie. It was kind of awkward to watch the movie with the variety of people that was in the theatre cause they would laugh at some things that would piss me off and I'm sure I laughed at some things that would piss them off also. This is definitely a thought provoking film. I'm not a movie critic, but this film should win something the next go around of movie awards. I was really disappointed that Don Cheadle's character didn't breakdown and cry at the end of the movie, but I guess there are people who are like that. Maybe it was a sign of how detached he really was from his family. I think they should have at least had him have a tear or 2 roll down, but there was nothing. Another aspect I didn't like was when the cop saved the woman he molested and in the end she acted like it was all okay. I understand he risked his life to save her, but still. Not saying she shouldn't be forgiving, but I would have at least liked to see the cop get punished for what he did. Overall a great flick that everyone should go see.

Knizzle
May 8th, 2005, 05:53 PM
Also, was Brandon Frazier's assistant played by Nona Gaye? I thought I recognized her. She's really pretty.

Did anyone else catch that she and Fraser's character had something going on?? Or were we wrong picking that vibe up??

kiwifan
May 8th, 2005, 06:06 PM
Knizzle, most of the time the cops don't get punished. I won't even go into some of the things I know/I've been told about cop misbehavior especially with women. :tape:

Cops don't even think of what they did as wrong, probably if he'd never seen her again, he'd laugh at the bar with his friends bragging about what he did.

Only in this context, where he had to confront his behavior, did something "real" occur. It showed that you can be both a shithead of a cop and yet still a "good" cop who would risk his life because that's "his job".

I can't imagine anyone going through this movie without having moments of both inappropriate laughter (like everytime someone told someone else to speak English :tape: ) and outrage.

When Thandie and Terrance's characters were going off on each other about how "black" each one really is...

...that really got me because it reminded me of quite a few conversations in my past (a classic one being when I reminded a Sista who was jokingly trying to diss me - ebonics style :retard: -, that I wasn't the one who went to prep school and then to a "7 Sisters"-Ivy level- undergrad school)...

...that negative internalized baggage...

...the part I'd imagine pissed off lots a people was when Cheadle character was talking to the DA's PR guy about how black people are always fucking up their opportunities...

...good stuff...

...like I said, the "Feel Bad Film of 2005"

kiwifan
May 8th, 2005, 06:10 PM
Did anyone else catch that she and Fraser's character had something going on?? Or were we wrong picking that vibe up??

Yes, I totally picked up that vibe too. ;)

All body language and not verbally expressed, I really like that it just sort of hung in the air like that. :cool:

Knizzle
May 8th, 2005, 06:16 PM
Yes, I totally picked up that vibe too. ;)

All body language and not verbally expressed, I really like that it just sort of hung in the air like that. :cool:

They dropped a few hints with his wife being so unhappy with him and him saying "I love you" on the phone in front of Nona Gaye's Character and also her unwillingness to call him out about trying to sway the black vote with a publicity stunt. The looks she was giving him was like "if you weren't my boss and we weren't fucking".............:boxing:

E. Blackadder
May 8th, 2005, 09:09 PM
I'm dying to see it but it only comes out September 21 over here :fiery:

decemberlove
May 14th, 2005, 03:48 PM
i thought it was unrealistic hollywood crap.

it tried, but it failed.

TOO dramatic.

[SPOILERS]




the lady is flipped over in a truck stuck upside down by a seatbelt, the car is on fire for WAY too long, and all she got was a couple of cuts and bruises? when she called her husband later on, she was moving just fine. i'm sorry, but that shit does NOT happen. even lil accidents make the entire body sore. she would've been laid up in bed, prolly still in the hospital. the same goes for the man that got run over.

what are the chances in LA of a cop molesting you, saving your life, then his ex-partner saving your husbands life around the same time frame??

oh, and in the beginning when the asian lady calls jennifer esposito a mexican :lol:

when you look at jennifer, do you think mexican? no.

and the guy going to kill the mexican, and accidentally shooting the lil girl. :rolleyes:

i thought it was WAY too preachy.

too many times i thought magnolia . short cuts . do the right thing

Steam
May 14th, 2005, 05:54 PM
i thought it was unrealistic hollywood crap.

it tried, but it failed.

TOO dramatic.



A number of reviews that I read said the same things about some of what you mentioned, mainly the awful coincidences that happen in it.

Yes, in a city that big for two cops to come in contact again with a husband and wife separately like that is stretching the realms of possibility but I didn't let it bother me too much.

Some of it was over the top but I still liked it.

decemberlove
May 14th, 2005, 06:09 PM
A number of reviews that I read said the same things about some of what you mentioned, mainly the awful coincidences that happen in it.

Yes, in a city that big for two cops to come in contact again with a husband and wife separately like that is stretching the realms of possibility but I didn't let it bother me too much.

Some of it was over the top but I still liked it.

i enjoyed it, but i don't feel it's as great as everyone is making it out to be. i felt the same way about sin city.

i haven't seen a movie i really liked in the theatre since garden state.

the documentary enron: the smartest guys in the room is good, but it's a doc... doesn't count.

kiwifan
May 14th, 2005, 06:11 PM
I think the coincidences were very very intentional and not intended to be realistic...

...come on the director even had Lorretta Devine's character get in a crash at the end and say something bigoted...:cool:

...totally gratuitous yet consistent.

Kinda like that French art film La Ronde (sp) ;)

Classic French "fin-de-ciecle" film. :smoke:

:lol::lol::tape:

:devil:

Knizzle
May 14th, 2005, 06:29 PM
A number of reviews that I read said the same things about some of what you mentioned, mainly the awful coincidences that happen in it.

Yes, in a city that big for two cops to come in contact again with a husband and wife separately like that is stretching the realms of possibility but I didn't let it bother me too much.

Some of it was over the top but I still liked it.

I don't think it was a stretch for the husband and the good cop, but it definitely was for the wife and the bad cop.

decemberlove
May 14th, 2005, 06:32 PM
I think the coincidences were very very intentional and not intended to be realistic...

...come on the director even had Lorretta Devine's character get in a crash at the end and say something bigoted...:cool:

...totally gratuitous yet consistent.

Kinda like that French art film La Ronde (sp) ;)

Classic French "fin-de-ciecle" film. :smoke:

:lol::lol::tape:

:devil:


la ronde is the correct spelling. :)

i don't know, even if it is intentional, that doesn't excuse the hollywood miraculous recoveries from a severe car accident. nor does it excuse the asian woman calling esposito mexican :lol:

there are ways to tie in different storylines and make them seem realistic. magnolia did it, so did amores perros. i'm an indie snob, so... :p

i don't like the "intentional" excuses. that's what people use to defend the acting in sin city "oh it's a comic book". i don't care. you are on screen now. i don't want to pay [well actually i didnt pay, but still] $10 to see a movie where it's obvious that the characters are acting.

i do this to myself all the time. i listen to others build up a movie... i have great expectations, and then i'm disappointed.

also, do latinos really park their cars on the lawns? it must be a cali thing cos i've never seen it over here. i thought the writer could have found something better to pick on latinos for than parking cars on the lawn.

don cheadle was great [when isn't he, thou?], as was larenz tate. and i was REALLY impressed with ludacris.

i'd prolly give the movie a solid 7.

Steam
May 14th, 2005, 07:31 PM
i enjoyed it, but i don't feel it's as great as everyone is making it out to be. i felt the same way about sin city.

i haven't seen a movie i really liked in the theatre since garden state.

the documentary enron: the smartest guys in the room is good, but it's a doc... doesn't count.

There hasn't been any "good" movies since then (speaking of which, this past week the DVD has been on sale at Target for $10, ends tomorrow for those of you who don't own it). I've seen mainly comedies which I can't really classify with dramas, except when hard pressed to do so. I'm going to watch "In Good Company" on DVD today since I missed it at the theatres but I doubt that that will be on the level of Garden State.

Doesn't help things that Hollywood seems obsessed with doing as many remakes as possible. What a bunch of unoriginal whore. Everytime I go to the movies I have to see the preview for the new Herbie movie and everytime it looks worse and worse. Lohan should have retired right after "Mean Girls".

I did see "Kicking and Screaming" last night and I liked it thanks to Will Ferrell's brilliance. Yeah it had the kids sports movie cliches but Ferrell more than made up for some of the schlock of the script.

Steam
May 14th, 2005, 07:42 PM
nor does it excuse the asian woman calling esposito mexican :lol:

also, do latinos really park their cars on the lawns? it must be a cali thing cos i've never seen it over here. i thought the writer could have found something better to pick on latinos for than parking cars on the lawn.

don cheadle was great [when isn't he, thou?], as was larenz tate. and i was REALLY impressed with ludacris.

i'd prolly give the movie a solid 7.

I didn't even notice the Esposito Mexican remark. Probably wouldn't have bothered me either since this movie seemed to love to use stereotypes. This one being that people think that Mexican/Spanish/Puerto Rican etc are all the same. It was used again after Cheadle had sex with her and didn't really care where she actually from. It was all the same to him.

I went to the movie with a cross section of people and my Puerto Rican friend was dying when they said that about the cars. Then again, everyone in my circle seems to love the use of stereotypes. I'm sure if the movie was based in (or written by someone from) the East Coast it would have been something like them having picnics on the side of highways or something of that sort. Or you could have just gone to the old standby of murdering drunk dealer (my friend works at a lawyer's office and she told me that someone called up and wanted to know if one of her co-workers was Puerto Rican because she can't deal with them because all they do is stab people.

Your rating is fair and would be what I would give it (on a scale of 10). I'm just happy that, while the technique has been done, the movie was for the most part original and thought-provoking.

decemberlove
May 15th, 2005, 08:28 PM
There hasn't been any "good" movies since then (speaking of which, this past week the DVD has been on sale at Target for $10, ends tomorrow for those of you who don't own it). I've seen mainly comedies which I can't really classify with dramas, except when hard pressed to do so. I'm going to watch "In Good Company" on DVD today since I missed it at the theatres but I doubt that that will be on the level of Garden State.

Doesn't help things that Hollywood seems obsessed with doing as many remakes as possible. What a bunch of unoriginal whore. Everytime I go to the movies I have to see the preview for the new Herbie movie and everytime it looks worse and worse. Lohan should have retired right after "Mean Girls".

I did see "Kicking and Screaming" last night and I liked it thanks to Will Ferrell's brilliance. Yeah it had the kids sports movie cliches but Ferrell more than made up for some of the schlock of the script.

thanks for the heads up on target having the DVD for so cheap. i must go tonight to get it. just another excuse to go into target and spend $70 on things i don't need. my boyfriend owns the dvd, but i don't. and i would never consider merging my collection with his.

i saw in good company... it doesn't compare to garden state. it was good for a hollywood romantic comedy/whatever the hell else it was. i normally wouldn't see a movie like that in the theatres, but i like topher grace and scarlett. dennis quaid irritates me to no end. i can't place my finger on it.

i went to see melinda & melinda cos will ferrell was in it. he totally carried that movie. i am not exactly what you would call a woody allen fan. i think he's a good writer and a terrible director. some of the acting [non-ferrell] made me want to leave the theatre. overacting that slaps you in the face... i don't care for it. and the black man in the movie was whiter than any white person i know. i guess cos i'm not a rich, NY jew that i just can't relate to his movies.

Steam
May 15th, 2005, 08:35 PM
thanks for the heads up on target having the DVD for so cheap. i must go tonight to get it. just another excuse to go into target and spend $70 on things i don't need. my boyfriend owns the dvd, but i don't. and i would never consider merging my collection with his.

i saw in good company... it doesn't compare to garden state. it was good for a hollywood romantic comedy/whatever the hell else it was. i normally wouldn't see a movie like that in the theatres, but i like topher grace and scarlett. dennis quaid irritates me to no end. i can't place my finger on it.

i went to see melinda & melinda cos will ferrell was in it. he totally carried that movie. i am not exactly what you would call a woody allen fan. i think he's a good writer and a terrible director. some of the acting [non-ferrell] made me want to leave the theatre. overacting that slaps you in the face... i don't care for it. and the black man in the movie was whiter than any white person i know. i guess cos i'm not a rich, NY jew that i just can't relate to his movies.

I hate going to Target because I always seem to just use my debit card and therefore waste more money. I think the sale on it ended yesterday but its still only $14 which isn't bad. Knowing Target and their catalog DVD sales though it should be $10 again within a month if you just feel like saving that $4.

Watched In Good Company last night before going out, I enjoyed it. Nothing really special but fun to watch. Topher Grace is likeable and Scarlett is just insanely beautiful (plus a good actress). I normally don't really care about Dennis Quaid but I enjoyed him in this one for some reason. I thought the ending was kind of blah but it held my attention throughout.

I want to see Melinda & Melinda for Will but I dont' want to see it because of Woody Allen. His attempts at humor are just lost on me. Plus, the fact that he's a creep doesn't hurt matters. So this one might have to join "Superstar" in the list of Will Ferrell movies that I can't watch.

decemberlove
May 15th, 2005, 08:46 PM
I didn't even notice the Esposito Mexican remark. Probably wouldn't have bothered me either since this movie seemed to love to use stereotypes. This one being that people think that Mexican/Spanish/Puerto Rican etc are all the same. It was used again after Cheadle had sex with her and didn't really care where she actually from. It was all the same to him.

I went to the movie with a cross section of people and my Puerto Rican friend was dying when they said that about the cars. Then again, everyone in my circle seems to love the use of stereotypes. I'm sure if the movie was based in (or written by someone from) the East Coast it would have been something like them having picnics on the side of highways or something of that sort. Or you could have just gone to the old standby of murdering drunk dealer (my friend works at a lawyer's office and she told me that someone called up and wanted to know if one of her co-workers was Puerto Rican because she can't deal with them because all they do is stab people.

Your rating is fair and would be what I would give it (on a scale of 10). I'm just happy that, while the technique has been done, the movie was for the most part original and thought-provoking.

the mexican remark was right in the beginning. it didn't stand out too much, but enough for me to pick up on it. most mexicans that come to the US are dark, cos the lighter ones usually don't have a problem with money. when don called her mexican, i thought it would've been better to call her puerto rican. but i dunno. maybe the mexicans out in LA are a bit more diverse than the ones coming here.
that stereotype has been done before thou. in clueless, alicia silverstone calls the maid mexican and she flips out. [i can't believe i remember that. :o ]

the stereotype itself is on point, thou. if someone were to call my abuela puerto rican or mexican, she would prolly slit their throats. she thinks they have ruined the spanish language.

Steam
May 15th, 2005, 08:53 PM
the mexican remark was right in the beginning. it didn't stand out too much, but enough for me to pick up on it. most mexicans that come to the US are dark, cos the lighter ones usually don't have a problem with money. when don called her mexican, i thought it would've been better to call her puerto rican. but i dunno. maybe the mexicans out in LA are a bit more diverse than the ones coming here.
that stereotype has been done before thou. in clueless, alicia silverstone calls the maid mexican and she flips out. [i can't believe i remember that. :o ]

the stereotype itself is on point, thou. if someone were to call my abuela puerto rican or mexican, she would prolly slit their throats. she thinks they have ruined the spanish language.

I'm the worst at picking out someone's ethnicity so I would probably be in trouble. I didn't even know what my friend was until two years after knowing him.

Clueless was a good movie so no shame in remembering that.

decemberlove
May 15th, 2005, 09:01 PM
I hate going to Target because I always seem to just use my debit card and therefore waste more money. I think the sale on it ended yesterday but its still only $14 which isn't bad. Knowing Target and their catalog DVD sales though it should be $10 again within a month if you just feel like saving that $4.

Watched In Good Company last night before going out, I enjoyed it. Nothing really special but fun to watch. Topher Grace is likeable and Scarlett is just insanely beautiful (plus a good actress). I normally don't really care about Dennis Quaid but I enjoyed him in this one for some reason. I thought the ending was kind of blah but it held my attention throughout.

I want to see Melinda & Melinda for Will but I dont' want to see it because of Woody Allen. His attempts at humor are just lost on me. Plus, the fact that he's a creep doesn't hurt matters. So this one might have to join "Superstar" in the list of Will Ferrell movies that I can't watch.

i'll prolly just wait cos i don't really feel like going there anyway. i know i will spend way too much. target is a very dangerous place to me. i average about $70 everytime i go there, which isn't a lot, but it is when you go once a week, and you have no idea what you bought.

i thought the ending was kinda blah too. i liked that they didn't get together. it atleast tried to be different.

just rent melinda & melinda. it's really not that good. i did like the concept, but the execution...
his fans use that "intentional" excuse. "oh, the bad acting is intentional because it's a story being told". whatever. will was on IFCs show at the angelika, and he was explaning how all the SNL work he did helped him to work with woody, cos woody uses about one take, and then it's over. :lol: wtf kind of direction is that?? maybe that's why his movies are so terrible.

GBFH
May 15th, 2005, 09:03 PM
woody allen doesn't have terrible movies.

everyone says i love you and mighty aphrodite were great.

Steam
May 15th, 2005, 09:09 PM
i'll prolly just wait cos i don't really feel like going there anyway. i know i will spend way too much. target is a very dangerous place to me. i average about $70 everytime i go there, which isn't a lot, but it is when you go once a week, and you have no idea what you bought.

i thought the ending was kinda blah too. i liked that they didn't get together. it atleast tried to be different.

just rent melinda & melinda. it's really not that good. i did like the concept, but the execution...
his fans use that "intentional" excuse. "oh, the bad acting is intentional because it's a story being told". whatever. will was on IFCs show at the angelika, and he was explaning how all the SNL work he did helped him to work with woody, cos woody uses about one take, and then it's over. :lol: wtf kind of direction is that?? maybe that's why his movies are so terrible.

I get that way too between Wal-Mart and Target. I need to curb my spending for the time being too and its been tough.

The fact that they didn't end up together was ok with me but the way that it was handled was kind of hasty and came off poorly written. It didn't jive with Scarlett's character at all.

I will take your word for it and give it a shot just for Will. That is such a horrible excuse too. Might be why I could never get into any of his movies. Maybe he just wants to save on film.

Brooks.
May 15th, 2005, 11:36 PM
i saw this movie........and i loved it.........it makes you think about a lot of different thinks and i love movies that make you think about life and all that stuff.........i really could relate to alot of the characters in different ways.......i though sandra bullock was the best i have ever seen her........i would give her a supporting nomination at the oscars personally

Black Mamba.
May 16th, 2005, 02:57 AM
This film showed that racism and intolerance can and does happen anywhere. Some people are under the impression that in places like LA racism isn't bad, but this movie shows that when people don't interact with people that are different from themselves their biases and beliefs whether false or not are able to go unchallenged and as a result you get the prejudice from all sides we see in the film.

McAuley
May 16th, 2005, 10:29 AM
I really liked "Crash". With the exception of the wooden Brendan Fraser, the cast was fantastic. Sandra Bullock should look for more scripts like this one. The film wasn't mean to be subtle and I accepted that early on. A woman behind me made reference at the end of the similarity between "Crash" and "Grand Canyon". I'll have to rent it at some point to see if she was right.

As for Jennifer Esposito not looking Mexican, you can turn to those soap operas on the Telemundo and Univision TV networks, of which many are produced in Mexico, and see actresses who resemble Jennifer on some level. If you're not convinced, how "Mexican" do Gael Bernal Garcia, Diego Luna, Eva Longoria and even Daphne Zuniga of "Melrose Place" look?

Brenda Fraser and Nona Gaye were definitely intimate. ;)

decemberlove
May 16th, 2005, 06:34 PM
As for Jennifer Esposito not looking Mexican, you can turn to those soap operas on the Telemundo and Univision TV networks, of which many are produced in Mexico, and see actresses who resemble Jennifer on some level. If you're not convinced, how "Mexican" do Gael Bernal Garcia, Diego Luna, Eva Longoria and even Daphne Zuniga of "Melrose Place" look?

Brenda Fraser and Nona Gaye were definitely intimate. ;)

i am fully aware that mexicans don't all look the same. i even said something about the lighter mexicans usually not coming to the US cos they are generally the more successful of the two.

no one would look at esposito and assume she's a mexican just cos she lives in LA. it was a terrible stretch. i thought they should've casted someone a little less white. salma hayek... someone similar to her. i believe that esposito isn't even a latina... she's mostly italian. she was miscast.

decemberlove
May 16th, 2005, 06:55 PM
I'm not a rich NY Jew, and I relate very well to his movies:tape: Big fan of his older stuff especially.

But getting back to Crash, haven't had the chance to see it yet...but your review, makes me kinda want to wait for it to come out on DVD, but I kinda want to give this type of film some sort of support at box office, even though it might have fallen short. Its imp. so Hollywood doesn't think all the 'urban' (and I'm far from that..but you know what I mean;) ) crowd want to see is Triple XX or whatever the fuck else.

Just want to say I looove Larenz:hearts: he would be my baby daddy if he wasnt' so short:)

i've really only seen woody's recent stuff... and i think it's terrible.

do you like indie movies? to me, this was a hollywood movie trying to present itself as edgy, something independent films do all the time REALISTICALLY. i didn't appreciate it. i think you should see it if there is nothing else to watch. which there really isn't right now...

aNYthing
May 16th, 2005, 08:42 PM
I just went and saw this film yesterday. There wasn't one point in the movie where I was bored. Every new scene I was on the edge of my seat guessing what would happen, and half of the time I was wrong.

Great movie overall, and it definately deserves some sort of award...

McAuley
May 17th, 2005, 05:09 AM
i am fully aware that mexicans don't all look the same. i even said something about the lighter mexicans usually not coming to the US cos they are generally the more successful of the two.

no one would look at esposito and assume she's a mexican just cos she lives in LA. it was a terrible stretch. i thought they should've casted someone a little less white. salma hayek... someone similar to her. i believe that esposito isn't even a latina... she's mostly italian. she was miscast.

I currently live in Los Angeles and in the short time I've been here, just as in "Crash", people mistake people for certain ethnicities all the time. Having seen Jennifer Esposito in other films as well as on TV shows ("Spin City"), I was surprised as well that she was playing a Hispanic but it's definitely possible that in Los Angeles, some people could mistake her for being Mexican. While most in Southern California are Salma Hayek's complexion, there is still a good share of lighter Mexicans that are even lighter than Jennifer.

Rub
May 17th, 2005, 05:36 AM
i hope i can watch it... i'd love to!

Dana Marcy
May 18th, 2005, 12:07 AM
I went with a friend and we both liked it. It was very "in your face" sometimes going overboard but I liked how the stories intertwined. My friend and I both LAUGHED because we knew when Sandra went to hug the maid that she was going to say to the maid "you're my best friend" (like Driving Miss Daisy :lol: )

i don't know, even if it is intentional, that doesn't excuse the hollywood miraculous recoveries from a severe car accident. nor does it excuse the asian woman calling esposito mexican :lol:

there are ways to tie in different storylines and make them seem realistic. magnolia did it. i'm an indie snob, so... :p

Frogs falling out of the sky was realistic? Oh I know it was symbolism but realistic? Nuh-uh. You and my husband would get along great but at least you put aside your indie snobbiness for a day to slum it in a multiplex (which are much more comfortable than those hard arthouse seats, right?) ;) I like indie movies but I don't buy into the trend that they are all good or inetresting. My husband made me sit through the dvd of Primer and it bored me. :shrug: Did you see Palindromes yet? I really liked it. :)

]i don't like the "intentional" excuses. that's what people use to defend the acting in sin city "oh it's a comic book". i don't care. you are on screen now. i don't want to pay [well actually i didnt pay, but still] $10 to see a movie where it's obvious that the characters are acting.

I see your point but you're talking as if there is NO pretensions in indie move acting? Parker Posey aint exactly subtle despite her good comedic timing. And let's not even talk about Steve Buscemi before he went full mainstream. :tape:

also, do latinos really park their cars on the lawns? it must be a cali thing cos i've never seen it over here. i thought the writer could have found something better to pick on latinos for than parking cars on the lawn.

You're right. It's a Chicano thing.

don cheadle was great [when isn't he, thou?], as was larenz tate. and i was REALLY impressed with ludacris.

i'd prolly give the movie a solid 7.

LOVED Luda! 7 is about right. :yeah:

Dawn Marie
May 18th, 2005, 03:37 AM
Knizzle I disagree with you. I think Don Cheadle's character was very much into his family. He helped his mom and listened to her. He was getting some lovin' when she called but realistically you're not going to go searchin for your brother at that time. He was not gone like forever. Don and Matt played great characters.

Jennifer Esposito can very well be called a Mexican by alot of people. Alot of people think Latino's are from the same country and are one and the same.

Luidrus did a good acting job, but his character drove me nuts. I was like kid go home and play a video game and stop thugging. With your hypocritical ass.

I actually enjoyed Ryan Phillpe. He neds to be on screen more often I like that kid.

I liked the married couple and really felt for them both during the movie.

Overall this is a good movie considering it is Ammerican made. There is nothing else that is even playing that is worth watching that I can see.

Bring on the independent films. This get 2 thumbs up. Diverse casting great acting. The Persian man was great as well.

Knizzle
May 18th, 2005, 04:06 AM
Knizzle I disagree with you. I think Don Cheadle's character was very much into his family. He helped his mom and listened to her. He was getting some lovin' when she called but realistically you're not going to go searchin for your brother at that time. He was not gone like forever. Don and Matt played great characters.

Jennifer Esposito can very well be called a Mexican by alot of people. Alot of people think Latino's are from the same country and are one and the same.

Luidrus did a good acting job, but his character drove me nuts. I was like kid go home and play a video game and stop thugging. With your hypocritical ass.

I actually enjoyed Ryan Phillpe. He neds to be on screen more often I like that kid.

I liked the married couple and really felt for them both during the movie.

Overall this is a good movie considering it is Ammerican made. There is nothing else that is even playing that is worth watching that I can see.

Bring on the independent films. This get 2 thumbs up. Diverse casting great acting. The Persian man was great as well.

I think Cheadle's character resented his mother for worrying so much about his little brother and sort of neglecting him just because he was the one doing good for himself. For that reason I think he also neglected to go looking for his lil bro.