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aura of daniela
Apr 2nd, 2002, 02:09 PM
Man, you go into a final hoping that one player can play at about 80% and earn the title, but that final between Jennifer and Serena wasn't the best.
How Serena won is beyond me, and the way Jennifer handled herself during the match proved that she has some problems to.

Both players just weren't thinking on the court.
I hate to talk down about players, but after everyone was saying Serena was the new number 1, I just had to make I couple of comments.
Now, I will say that I didn't see Serena play Hingis, and have yet to watch her Semi against Venus, but watching the way she played against Jennifer, I cant see her winning the French. There just isn't enough variety in her game or patience to see her succeed on the clay.

Now playing at her best, sure she can win, but she will have to play at her highest level for 7 matches on the clay. And on clay, you don't get any easy points, so you have to play out the match.
On Grass, Serve is very effective, On Hardcourts, powerful Groundstrokes are effective, but on Clay, neither are as effective. Endurance and consistancy, plus mental power and smart tennis are what you need, and I don't see either Jennifer or Serena having what it takes.

All these comments are based on what I saw in the NASDAQ final, and I hope the girls prove me wrong, but it will be tough.
A lot of unknown players come out of the woods and play well on the clay....they are call "Clay court specialists", and I think upsets may come thick and fast this year.

Simon V

Cam'ron Giles
Apr 2nd, 2002, 02:20 PM
I guess Daniela will win it? What the hell are you talking about? :rolleyes:

irma
Apr 2nd, 2002, 02:24 PM
Serena was off in the final and she still won, that's what champions do:)

aura of daniela
Apr 2nd, 2002, 02:27 PM
Sorry FreeThinker....I actually look at the thread 10 minutes later and thought...."What the hell am I doing" as well.
I might just Delete this thread before anyone else read it. :confused:

BTW....I dont think Daniela will win....but I'm not saying she cant.
It's to tough to predict the winner, so I wont.
I just mean that Jennifer and Serena would have to play at 90-100% to win the tournament.

Simon V

Volcana
Apr 2nd, 2002, 02:31 PM
aura - leave the thread. It would be instructive to see who reads your first post and responds to it without reading your second post.

supremeross
Apr 2nd, 2002, 02:32 PM
Aura, I couldn't disagree with you more. I was actually at the FINALS and let me tell you it was something. I think with powerplayers like Serena and Jennifer they are not defensive players like say Hingis, Coetzer or ASV, they are aggressive players and they go for their shots, hence the high number of UE, but also the high number of winners. While there were a lot of breaks of serve, Serena kept right up with Jennifer, had nerves of steel (let me tell you I thought for sure Serena was going to drop the first and second sets) and went for and made the more or most important shots. As for variety, what are you talking about? Because the match that I was at, Serena was constantly looking to move into net, while the final was not Serena's best at the net, she at least went in and cause Jennifer to rush her shots a lot, but she also missed a lot of easy volleys, but she was committed to coming in. As for the patience on clay, I just flat out wonder how well you know the sport of tennis. If memory serves me correct Serena took Jennifer (the eventual FO winner last year to three, count them three sets!). This was in the quarterfinals. Never mind the fact that that was only Serenas second tournament on clay in two years. Imagine what she'll be like with a little more match play under her belt. I don't think any player in the top 10 or top 1000 for that fact is looking forward to facing either Serena or Jennifer in this years FO.

TSequoia01
Apr 2nd, 2002, 02:33 PM
I respect your opinion and will agree that the NASDAQ final was sloppy. But dumb? I wish you would have presented some examples of this dumbness. Because what I witnessed was the two best players that week, fighting with all they had to win a match. Fighting at a level no other women in the world could match that week period. Smart tennis is winning tennis. Dumb tennis is losing tennis. As far as both Jen or Serena winning the French, again you are entitled to see it anyway you want. But don't count either out because they are proven champions. Since Jen won last year she is definitely proven capable. When you consider Serena only lost to Jen in a very close match, your logic escapes me a little. But that is why they play the matches. :cool:

Hi Venus :wavey:

Hi Serena :wavey:

Hi Daniela "lil v" :wavey:

supremeross
Apr 2nd, 2002, 02:35 PM
I just read your second thread, it was posting while I was writing my response. But what exactly were you thinking?

Cam'ron Giles
Apr 2nd, 2002, 02:36 PM
Right on the money Supremeross ;)

apoet29
Apr 2nd, 2002, 02:38 PM
These are your quotes:

"Now playing at her best, sure she can win, but she will have to play at her highest level for 7 matches on the clay. And on clay, you don't get any easy points, so you have to play out the match.
On Grass, Serve is very effective, On Hardcourts, powerful Groundstrokes are effective, but on Clay, neither are as effective. Endurance and consistancy, plus mental power and smart tennis are what you need, and I don't see either Jennifer or Serena having what it takes. "

I really don't understand where you get this from. Both Jennifer and Serena played their best tennis to reach the finals of the Nasdaq. Jennifer played a phenomenal match against Seles in the semifinals where her endurance and consistancy won her a third set tiebreak. Serena used mental power and smart tennis to pound Hingis and V. Williams into submission. Both girls may not have been at their best in the Nasdaq final, but Serena fought off six set points to win the second set and the match. To do so, takes mental toughness and consistency, which you seem to claim that she does not have in her tennis.

I also find it interesting that you claim Jennifer and Serena don't have what it takes to win on clay. Jennifer grew up on clay and had a great clay court season last year winning the Family Circle Cup and making it to the finals of the German Open before winning the French Open. (You seem to have forgotten that Jennifer is the defending French Open champion.) Jennifer won the French Open coming from behind and winning a third set tiebreak 12-10. That takes mental toughness, tactical awareness and consistency. Serena did not play any matches leading up to the French, yet she made it to the quarterfinals where she lost in three sets to Jennifer Capriati. Both ladies have what it takes to win on clay. Jennifer needs to have more self-confidence that she can beat the Williams sisters. Serena needs more match practice on clay.

Currently, Serena and Jennifer have excellent records this season. Jennifer won the Australian Open and made two finals (Scottsdale and Miami). Serena won Miami and Scottsdale and make the semifinals of the Adidas. These ladies are the players to beat right now and they have proven time and again that they have the tennis form to win championships and grand slams. Obviously, Simon V. you do not like these ladies or their games or perhaps you are disappointed that Daniela did not play well at Miami. But to say that Serena or Jennifer do not have what it takes to win championships and slams on clay when their records, particularly Jennifer's, proves otherwise is someone who just does not like these players.

aura of daniela
Apr 2nd, 2002, 02:46 PM
OK guys...I'll explain.

*cough* *cough*

I was watching the match, and was basically disappointed more than anything about the standard of the final...but at least it was tight, unlike a lot of finals.
After watching it....I posted that stupid thread....It was 1am here in Australia and I think I should have slept on my thoughts before typing them into a thread.
I then looked at the thread and thought, "Gee, It was a bit harsh saying it was the dumbest final I've seen".
But saying all that, I still think the attributes I stated that you need to win the French with and still relatively true....but please ignore the rest.....I cant delete it...I've tried, I don't have the rights.

I'm not the type to write these silly thread and I apologise about it.
I'm just disappointed the Daniela's name is attached to the thread.
I'm sorry Dani....:sad: :sad: .

Simon V

aura of daniela
Apr 2nd, 2002, 03:03 PM
Please poet, stop jumping to conclusions. :sad:
I do not dislike Serena or Jennifer at all.
In fact, today, I was talking to a friend about how well she must have been playing to win the title and beat the top 3 seeded in straight sets.
Trust me, there was no alterior motives in writing this thread, but I warn you all, "Dont watch a tennis match at 1 in the morning when your tired, you often see thing better when your wide awake".
Geee, I've posted like 200 times and I'm already hated.
Maybe it's my queue the exit the forum.........but I don't want to.

Please.....I love the all out style of game.....much more than the consistent no risk game, but unfortunately, it can look ugly when two player are going for it and missing the majority of the time.....and that what I saw.
I disappointed at myself cause I've played tennis for the last 13 years and now how tough a sport it is to play. And now with one thread, I have discredited myself to the point of no return.

Sorry guys, This post had nothing to do with my beloved Daniela, and really nothing to do with Jennifer or Serena.
LACK OF SLEEP did it and I'm sorry if I offended anyone.
I'm sure I'll cop more stick about this one though.
I'll wake up in the morning and the thread will be up to 300 reply......it will take some work to answer all of those.

Simon V

apoet29
Apr 2nd, 2002, 03:26 PM
Originally posted by aura of daniela
Please poet, stop jumping to conclusions. :sad:
I do not dislike Serena or Jennifer at all.
In fact, today, I was talking to a friend about how well she must have been playing to win the title and beat the top 3 seeded in straight sets.
Trust me, there was no alterior motives in writing this thread, but I warn you all, "Dont watch a tennis match at 1 in the morning when your tired, you often see thing better when your wide awake".
Geee, I've posted like 200 times and I'm already hated.
Maybe it's my queue the exit the forum.........but I don't want to.

Please.....I love the all out style of game.....much more than the consistent no risk game, but unfortunately, it can look ugly when two player are going for it and missing the majority of the time.....and that what I saw.
I disappointed at myself cause I've played tennis for the last 13 years and now how tough a sport it is to play. And now with one thread, I have discredited myself to the point of no return.

Sorry guys, This post had nothing to do with my beloved Daniela, and really nothing to do with Jennifer or Serena.
LACK OF SLEEP did it and I'm sorry if I offended anyone.
I'm sure I'll cop more stick about this one though.
I'll wake up in the morning and the thread will be up to 300 reply......it will take some work to answer all of those.

Simon V

Don't beat yourself up so much. I can understand what it is like to post when you've had no sleep and I realize that you did not mean to cause offense. However, you may want to keep two things in mind. First, whether you meant to or not, your statements were very harsh about two great players, who happen to be the two players to beat right now. Serena and Jennifer have more than proven themselves during the last year to be great players. Second, your theory on clay is sound; however, you are ignoring the results that Serena and especially Jennifer have on clay. These ladies have proven that they can be a real force on the surface and I don't know why you don't want to acknowledge that in your posts.

Try and get some sleep and then post when you are rested. No one wants you to leave the board, but just remember that anything you post will be replied to in either a negative or positive light.

treufreund
Apr 2nd, 2002, 03:32 PM
:wavey: Aura. I did sort of laugh when you wrote that you did not think that Jennifer had what it takes cuz I was like "hello, Jenn already is the defending champion.":o But then you clarified yourself and all is well. :D :D

aura of daniela
Apr 2nd, 2002, 03:38 PM
Thanks for the kind words.
Look, for Jennifer to battle back from what happened to her early in her career and life is amazing. I mean, last year and now this year, she seemed to win Grand Slams at will, while other champions have struggled.
And through her results this year and previously, I acknowledge Serena to be a class performer.
I hope both of them do well on the clay, and I never hoped that they would fail on it.
I will never post a negative thread about another player again...(unless they thoroughly deserve it)...and even then...I will with extreme caution.

I guess if anything has to be learnt from all this, it is, never post your message unless your 100% sure you want other member to see it.

I just hope member read all the replies before writing there comments as oppose to reading just the thread starter.

Simon V

aura of daniela
Apr 2nd, 2002, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by treufreund
:wavey: Aura. I did sort of laugh when you wrote that you did not think that Jennifer had what it takes cuz I was like "hello, Jenn already is the defending champion.":o But then you clarified yourself and all is well. :D :D

Treufreund, thanks.
If only it was April Fool day today, I could have taken what I said back much easier.
Well, hopefully people read all the replies hey.

"Umm..April Fools to you all????........ummmmm"

Yeah, I guess I was the April the 2nd Fool hey.

Cheers

Simon V:)

aura of daniela
Apr 2nd, 2002, 03:45 PM
By the way...do you guys think I should delete the thread....I think I can, cause I think I'm still going to wake up in the morning to a barrage of comments..

????????????

Simon V

treufreund
Apr 2nd, 2002, 03:49 PM
Not necessarily. You explained yourself and don't need to delete it IMO. If people now barrage then they are the ones with the problem. Don't let people on this board bully you around. I've got your back. :)

aura of daniela
Apr 2nd, 2002, 03:53 PM
Thanks buddy.

I was in trouble there for a while.
But I'm glad you guys understand it was my mistake, not Serena and Jennifers.

Hope member don't jump to quickly to bite my head off.
Read all the replies.
Please....:angel:

Simon V

Althea
Apr 2nd, 2002, 05:39 PM
aura of daniela

If all posters that made erratic comments on this board were to leave... :eek: truly there would be no one left:sad: except me:angel: LMAO at no one but me.

We all ( most of us) have made comments at times without really thinking them out first or considering how they may be viewed by others... you are like soooooooooo unoriginal;)

Enjoy the board :wavey:
And remember when I screw up, to cut me some slack;) Personally I enjoyed the match between Jennifer and Serena. Wanted them to keep playing until they just couldn't play anymore:o how very selfish of me

cheers for the Ladies in Red

Deira
Apr 2nd, 2002, 05:49 PM
cuz I was like "hello, Jenn already is the defending champion."

I thought Venus was the defending champion. Am I mistaken? :confused:

RYNJ
Apr 2nd, 2002, 07:26 PM
I thought the final was pretty good :p

Celeste
Apr 3rd, 2002, 12:34 AM
Don't be scared to post how you feel about a match. EVER! If you saw it, you have the right to comment on it. Just because someone plays flawlessly to get into the final does not mean she will play well in the final. It's day to day. Also, some players just don't play well against each other, meaning, a much lower standard of playing. A win is a win, whether it's beautiful, flawless play, or rank crap that just outdoes the other player. I saw the Amelia Island final last year and thought it was boring, low-level play. I was there. I saw it. It's just someone's opinion. Don't be scared to post what you saw and what your feeling are about it! That's what makes this board good, people's differing opinions!

Oizo
Apr 3rd, 2002, 12:50 AM
The final was very good :p If you didnīt like it, then itīs your problem :p
Still the end shouldnīt have been that way ;) :sad: :sad: :sad:
But I am happy that the clay season is starting and power-tennis will be "allez passez" (will have no chance ;) ) he he he :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: