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lakeway11
Feb 1st, 2005, 02:30 AM
here is a good example of the New World Order...

'If you don't take a job as a prostitute, we can stop your benefits'
By Clare Chapman
(30/01/2005)

A 25-year-old waitress who turned down a job providing "sexual services'' at a brothel in Berlin faces possible cuts to her unemployment benefit under laws introduced this year.

Prostitution was legalised in Germany just over two years ago and brothel owners – who must pay tax and employee health insurance – were granted access to official databases of jobseekers.

The waitress, an unemployed information technology professional, had said that she was willing to work in a bar at night and had worked in a cafe.

She received a letter from the job centre telling her that an employer was interested in her "profile'' and that she should ring them. Only on doing so did the woman, who has not been identified for legal reasons, realise that she was calling a brothel.

Under Germany's welfare reforms, any woman under 55 who has been out of work for more than a year can be forced to take an available job – including in the sex industry – or lose her unemployment benefit. Last month German unemployment rose for the 11th consecutive month to 4.5 million, taking the number out of work to its highest since reunification in 1990.

The government had considered making brothels an exception on moral grounds, but decided that it would be too difficult to distinguish them from bars. As a result, job centres must treat employers looking for a prostitute in the same way as those looking for a dental nurse.

When the waitress looked into suing the job centre, she found out that it had not broken the law. Job centres that refuse to penalise people who turn down a job by cutting their benefits face legal action from the potential employer.

"There is now nothing in the law to stop women from being sent into the sex industry," said Merchthild Garweg, a lawyer from Hamburg who specialises in such cases. "The new regulations say that working in the sex industry is not immoral any more, and so jobs cannot be turned down without a risk to benefits."

Miss Garweg said that women who had worked in call centres had been offered jobs on telephone sex lines. At one job centre in the city of Gotha, a 23-year-old woman was told that she had to attend an interview as a "nude model", and should report back on the meeting. Employers in the sex industry can also advertise in job centres, a move that came into force this month. A job centre that refuses to accept the advertisement can be sued.

Tatiana Ulyanova, who owns a brothel in central Berlin, has been searching the online database of her local job centre for recruits.

"Why shouldn't I look for employees through the job centre when I pay my taxes just like anybody else?" said Miss Ulyanova.

Ulrich Kueperkoch wanted to open a brothel in Goerlitz, in former East Germany, but his local job centre withdrew his advertisement for 12 prostitutes, saying it would be impossible to find them.

Mr Kueperkoch said that he was confident of demand for a brothel in the area and planned to take a claim for compensation to the highest court. Prostitution was legalised in Germany in 2002 because the government believed that this would help to combat trafficking in women and cut links to organised crime.

Miss Garweg believes that pressure on job centres to meet employment targets will soon result in them using their powers to cut the benefits of women who refuse jobs providing sexual services.

"They are already prepared to push women into jobs related to sexual services, but which don't count as prostitution,'' she said.

"Now that prostitution is no longer considered by the law to be immoral, there is really nothing but the goodwill of the job centres to stop them from pushing women into jobs they don't want to do."


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/

skanky~skanketta
Feb 1st, 2005, 02:38 AM
:eek: thats absolutely disgusting!

kiwifan
Feb 1st, 2005, 03:17 AM
...but a free society can't have it both ways...

...its either a legit profession or it isn't...

...I find it slightly shocking that there isn't a single job in all of Germany available other that as a sex worker...

...nice legal fact pattern though...

...its legal in Aussie too, I wonder if they've had this dilema...

...Leopard, any commentary? :devil:

rand
Feb 1st, 2005, 07:50 AM
:o

(•_•)
Feb 1st, 2005, 01:27 PM
In Dortmund (A neighbouring town of my hometown!) they want to start a second red-light district for the visitors of the Fifa World Cup next year which is held here! How disgusting!!

Helas
Feb 1st, 2005, 07:38 PM
Talk about jobs that suck..........

but seriously Germany's economy must be really fucked up at the moment for this to happen
also this is sexist if a man was looking for work I doubt he be would asked to do gay porn or become a rent boy!;)

alfajeffster
Feb 1st, 2005, 08:12 PM
Cam?

CC
Feb 1st, 2005, 11:43 PM
I never imagined I would find an occasion to say this, but there should really be a limit to "forward thinking" sometimes.

Roddicksgaylover
Feb 5th, 2005, 07:19 AM
In Dortmund (A neighbouring town of my hometown!) they want to start a second red-light district for the visitors of the Fifa World Cup next year which is held here! How disgusting!!

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Is this well documented? Wow.

gentenaire
Feb 5th, 2005, 08:29 AM
Every country has some silly laws. They're just not enforced. There's no way this will be enforced as well! This is just an unfortunate combination of two laws.
There' s no case of a women actually losing her benefits over this, they simply discovered that in the literal sense of the law, it's possible.

I think it's worth looking what snopes (urban legends site) has to say about this:
last line says it all: 'A hypothetical possibility has now been reported as a factual occurrence'


http://www.snopes.com/media/notnews/brothel.asp

s: * A news story about a 25-year-old German woman who faced cuts to her unemployment benefits for turning down a job providing "sexual services'' at a brothel was carried by a variety of English-language news sources in January 2005. It has struck a chord in many readers as an example of liberal morality and bureaucracy run amok: if prostitution is legalized (as it was in Germany back in 2002), this story suggests, then society has conferred its approval upon that trade, and prostitution can therefore be proffered to (and even foisted upon) women as a valid choice of employment.

We remain skeptical about the literal truth of the version reported in the English press, however, because the issue seems to have received scant attention in the German press (at least that we can find). Most German-language sources on this topic point to an 18 December 2004 article from the Berlin newspaper Tageszeitung, which (as far as our rusty command of German allows us to discern) does not report that women in Germany must accept employment in brothels or face cuts in their unemployment benefits. The article merely presents that concept as a technical possibility under current law — it does not cite any actual cases of women losing their benefits over this issue, and it quotes representatives from employment agencies as saying that while it might be legally permissible to reduce unemployment benefits to women who have declined to accept employment as prostitutes, they (the agencies) would not actually do that. The thrust of the article seems to be that there is a loophole in the law which has not yet exploited and should be closed.

We suspect this is another case where, like a game of "telephone," a story has been garbled as it has passed from one news source to the next, and somewhere in the rewriting and translating process what was originally discussed as a mere hypothetical possibility has now been reported as a factual occurrence.

Last updated: * 31 January 2005

Mariangelina
Feb 5th, 2005, 11:39 AM
Whether or not it's true, aren't there a hell of a lot of other jobs in Germany? If you're not qualified to be anything much more skilled than a hooker, you're probably still qualified to be a janitor or a cashier or something like that, and if you're not, maybe you should consider night school. :p

(•_•)
Feb 5th, 2005, 11:44 AM
aren't there a hell of a lot of other jobs in Germany?
There are about 6 Mio unemployed people in Germany!

kiwifan
May 14th, 2005, 04:43 AM
*bump*

My postition hasn't changed. :devil:

ceiling_fan
May 14th, 2005, 05:38 AM
:cuckoo:

~ The Leopard ~
May 14th, 2005, 05:48 AM
How did I miss this the first time? I do like kiwifan's hardnosed post, but I think that gentenaire has the best take on it as usual. :worship:

~ The Leopard ~
May 14th, 2005, 05:49 AM
^As long as it's just his nose that's hard. :devil:

kiwifan
May 14th, 2005, 06:24 AM
^As long as it's just his nose that's hard. :devil:

Sometimes I worry about you. :p

You need Rugby (and multiple VBs* :drink: ) in your life. :cool:


*Did I ever tell you I keep an unopened can of VB on my computer desk. My "trophy" from the Aussie Lions Tour. Haven't been tempted to open it in the last 4 years. Wish I could say the same about his 11 immigrant brothers :drink:

BigB08822
May 14th, 2005, 06:30 AM
I wanna come work as a male prostitute for when the World Cup comes to town. I would do all the entire Italian team for a very good rate!

Wigglytuff
May 14th, 2005, 07:12 AM
Every country has some silly laws. They're just not enforced. There's no way this will be enforced as well! This is just an unfortunate combination of two laws.
There' s no case of a women actually losing her benefits over this, they simply discovered that in the literal sense of the law, it's possible.

I think it's worth looking what snopes (urban legends site) has to say about this:
last line says it all: 'A hypothetical possibility has now been reported as a factual occurrence'


http://www.snopes.com/media/notnews/brothel.asp

s: * A news story about a 25-year-old German woman who faced cuts to her unemployment benefits for turning down a job providing "sexual services'' at a brothel was carried by a variety of English-language news sources in January 2005. It has struck a chord in many readers as an example of liberal morality and bureaucracy run amok: if prostitution is legalized (as it was in Germany back in 2002), this story suggests, then society has conferred its approval upon that trade, and prostitution can therefore be proffered to (and even foisted upon) women as a valid choice of employment.

We remain skeptical about the literal truth of the version reported in the English press, however, because the issue seems to have received scant attention in the German press (at least that we can find). Most German-language sources on this topic point to an 18 December 2004 article from the Berlin newspaper Tageszeitung, which (as far as our rusty command of German allows us to discern) does not report that women in Germany must accept employment in brothels or face cuts in their unemployment benefits. The article merely presents that concept as a technical possibility under current law — it does not cite any actual cases of women losing their benefits over this issue, and it quotes representatives from employment agencies as saying that while it might be legally permissible to reduce unemployment benefits to women who have declined to accept employment as prostitutes, they (the agencies) would not actually do that. The thrust of the article seems to be that there is a loophole in the law which has not yet exploited and should be closed.

We suspect this is another case where, like a game of "telephone," a story has been garbled as it has passed from one news source to the next, and somewhere in the rewriting and translating process what was originally discussed as a mere hypothetical possibility has now been reported as a factual occurrence.

Last updated: * 31 January 2005

this does ease my mind alot. and is yet another reason why i dont trust translated works as much as most. (KVJ that means you)

James
May 14th, 2005, 07:54 AM
Much ado about nothing I think. I work in social security in the Netherlands and over there people are also supposed to accept jobs available to them. Prostitution is legal here too, but still not considered an acceptable job to offer to someone unemployed.

controlfreak
May 14th, 2005, 12:18 PM
Well, if demand for prostitutes exceeds supply, it can only mean one thing: German men aren't getting any at home!

exoneuk
May 14th, 2005, 01:59 PM
I hope everyone else considers this to be insanity in a box. With insanity tape around it...

Cybelle Darkholme
May 14th, 2005, 02:32 PM
All the woman has to do is go on the interview and act like a complete idiot and mentally deficient person. Drooling, flatulence, and burping should be enough but she could also make crazy out of place barking noises.


IF they still hire her she could use a lot of teeth when she gives her blow jobs that should end her career fast.

esquνmaux
May 14th, 2005, 02:54 PM
That sucks