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Grachka
Jan 26th, 2005, 01:24 AM
A reminiscing thread that i decided to create as i was sick of all the Aus Open related threads :p. However feel free to going back to discussing the shininess of Serena's ankles....;)

After Novotna and Tauziat retired, the dedicated 'every point' serve & volleyers officially died out in women's tennis. However, there are a few players out there that still do it regularly, plugging away against the grain and trying to show that its not quite dead yet. Post pictures of players you know that regularly serve and volley and entertain thousands with exciting and now unorthodox net game.

I'll go first: Amanda Janes GBR, a lefty that regularly serve & volleys, especially on grass.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/suffolk/sport/images/tennis/amanda_janes_wimb2004_270.jpg

backhanddtl4
Jan 26th, 2005, 02:57 AM
Cool!!! I didn't know she served and volleyed. Any other people? I can't think of anybody.

arcus
Jan 26th, 2005, 03:03 AM
sad that almost no one is serve volleying now. Most posters here dont know what they're missing.

They say that the courts, balls and rackets make it impossible. IM not so sure. If some one like federer serve and volleyed more hed nstill win probably and set off a whole new generations......

Generally the power in the mens game is a bit less then the mens and both are hitting harder these days. But when the men were hitting like the women are now, there were still a lot of successful serve volleyers. Some brave couch out there could start the ball rolling with a great junior......

Becool
Jan 26th, 2005, 03:16 AM
Alexandra does

Prizeidiot
Jan 26th, 2005, 07:32 AM
We were given a pretty good shot of it in the mens this year with Suzuki, and Bjorkman playing Rusedski. I think the women's might be a lost cause. The big thing now is power. No one seems to care about anything else.

I would love to see a woman serve volley, I wish Amanda Janes had a decent enough ranking to be on Tv....

!<blocparty>!
Jan 27th, 2005, 01:41 AM
I think Seren'a ankles are great.

Does anyone know what she puts on them?

Grachka
Jan 27th, 2005, 02:28 AM
Vaseline?

The serve & volleyer i provide for today is Roberta Vinci an Italian doubles specialist who has a touch and volley that has to be seen to believed. She serves and volleys on faster surfaces :)

http://www.wtnphotos.com/data/3132/21237438623vinci.jpg

PaulieM
Jan 27th, 2005, 02:47 AM
i like the serve and volleyers too, i just recently became a taylor dent fan, on the mens side... i was able to get passed his ugliness :wink:

PaulieM
Jan 27th, 2005, 06:35 AM
*Bump*

Prizeidiot
Jan 27th, 2005, 06:38 AM
Well.... watching the mixed doubles last night, I heard someone say that Trudi Musgrave is a serve volleyer. Can't find a pic of her serve volleying though. She's a lefty from Australia, and has been around a while. I think she's finished with singles now though.

henmanhill
Jan 28th, 2005, 01:11 AM
Martina Nav and Tim Henman in the men's (obviously!)

PaulieM
Feb 2nd, 2005, 04:16 AM
*Bump*

rescuing this amazing thread from the depths of General messages... all the way on page 17 can you imagine that.:speakles:

I'm trying ObataFan :bounce: :awww: :scratch: :shrug:

MinnyGophers
Feb 2nd, 2005, 04:22 AM
Amelie is a great serve and volleyer when she actually does it.
Still, no one knows why she doesn't do that more often since she obviously knows what she's doing.

alexusjonesfan
Feb 2nd, 2005, 04:29 AM
Amelie is a great serve and volleyes when she actually does it.
Still, no one knows why she doesn't do that more often since she obviously knows what she's doing. Amelie's an enigma. She plays so passively sometimes even tho she has such great offense. Justine has pretty volleys too and apparently she was trying more aggressive slice approach shots when she last played...but we won't see that on court any time soon :sad:

Silvia Farina-Elia has nice volleys too when she comes into net
...hmm I'm seeing a trend here :scratch:

peanuts
Feb 2nd, 2005, 05:12 AM
i've heard a commentator once said before that alicia molik used to play serve & volley in the juniors. she later adapted her game to the baseline coz its obviously the way to play the game now. from her matches that i've seen, she does serve & volley or at least approach the net from time to time.

i also missed the serve & volley game, actually i missed having to see more variety on most of the player's game. the slice & dice, crazy underspins on drop shots, or the high top spin ball, all that stuff.

speaking of amanda james, i've seen her match on tv last year at wimby and she is a true serve & volleyer. :)

Grachka
Feb 2nd, 2005, 05:23 AM
*Bump*

rescuing this amazing thread from the depths of General messages... all the way on page 17 can you imagine that.:speakles:

I'm trying ObataFan :bounce: :awww: :scratch: :shrug:

Thanks PaulieM :) :kiss: We'll keep it going if we have to drag GM kicking and screaming :devil:

Now, i've never seen this girl play, but according to Jana Novotna back in 2001/2002 she had the potential to ascend to the throne of today's top serve-volleyer. Not sure if she still does it so often now, but let's hope so :) Maybe Alek or another expert on Mexican tennis can testify? I present Melissa Torres.

http://www2.uol.com.br/espnbrasil/images/papel/wallpaper_melissa640.jpg

PaulieM
Feb 2nd, 2005, 04:30 PM
I hope to see more serve and volleyers come out of the woodwork, the baseline battle can get pretty boring. Federer has been working on his net game recently which is cool, although I'm a little mad at him for changing his game plan in oz but oh well in the long run it will only make his already beautiful game even better. I was also happy to see some of the women come in a little more over the past 2 weeks, serena in her 1st and 2nd round match i think it was, as well as amelie and alicia, the few times that they came in, it was great. :)

ps:
today we're only on the 2nd page, not too shabby, and thanks to all the other people that posted here yesterday besides me and obatafan :wavey:

KV
Feb 2nd, 2005, 05:01 PM
Make the fast courts like they used to be, don't slow them down. As well equipment plays a role. When the fast courts were real fast courts you'd a fairer ranking too. Another S & V Els Callens, not sure about S. Sfar. Unfortunately, even in women's doubles you don't watch too many serve & volley even at Wimbly.
Better things are in men's tennis with Suzuki vs. Federer. The defeat of L. Hewitt against T. Dent.

alfajeffster
Feb 2nd, 2005, 05:10 PM
Unfortunately, I think it's going to be a while until the next female serve-and-volley great player is developed. It has more to do with the tennis industry, and the commodity in having a long line of blonde baseline media whores to keep trapsing out into the public eye every 5 or so years. The moment they actually develop a stunningly beautiful lesbian tennis player who plays serve-and-volley, that's when you'll see the next great one, and a return to teaching this classic style of play, not before. Not PC, but hey, I've never been afraid to approach the net.

TheBoiledEgg
Feb 2nd, 2005, 05:19 PM
Vaseline?

The serve & volleyer i provide for today is Roberta Vinci an Italian doubles specialist who has a touch and volley that has to be seen to believed. She serves and volleys on faster surfaces :)

http://www.wtnphotos.com/data/3132/21237438623vinci.jpg
so true
Roby's got magic hands ;) such delightful touches and good volleys.
she's so small though :sad:
wish there were more grass events though.

RoanHJ
Feb 2nd, 2005, 05:32 PM
The moment they actually develop a stunningly beautiful lesbian tennis player who plays serve-and-volley, that's when you'll see the next great one, and a return to teaching this classic style of play, not before. Not PC, but hey, I've never been afraid to approach the net.


Well, let's see, Alice Marble is dead and Portia de Rossi doesn't play tennis :shrug: So, I guess we'll have to wait about another five years.

Seriously, I can't understand why Amelie doesn't come to net more and also, Serena and Venus. They're all more than able to do it and it would bring more to the game. During the Aussie I loved some of those points between Roger and Safin when they both came to net.

alfajeffster
Feb 2nd, 2005, 06:06 PM
Well, let's see, Alice Marble is dead and Portia de Rossi doesn't play tennis :shrug: So, I guess we'll have to wait about another five years.

Seriously, I can't understand why Amelie doesn't come to net more and also, Serena and Venus. They're all more than able to do it and it would bring more to the game. During the Aussie I loved some of those points between Roger and Safin when they both came to net.I agree, however, neither Roger nor Marat was developed at an early age to become a clothes horse, or have a perfume or rose named after them (which, incidentally, Roger is hawking his own scent on his web site- I wonder what it smells like:lol: ).

I do understand why Amelie especially and Venus as well don't come in more often. It has to do with their grips. Not only do they have to think about the transition and hitting the split step to change direction and move into the volley, they also have to deal with (in Amelie's case) an extreme western grip forehand sliding over to a traditional volleying grip, and the same with her backhand. Couple all those with a fear of the ball at the net (while I think Amelie is a great player, I just don't think she has the balls that Martina Navratilova does regarding approaching and actually wanting the ball at the net), and it's easy to see why they're tentative. Venus is pretty unclear on what she wants to do on the court, and always has been IMO, even when she was beating everyone else out there. If Jana Novotna had played a few more years, I'd wager she would have taken a couple of matches off of peak form Venus just by attacking the net on her- even on clay.

alfajeffster
Feb 2nd, 2005, 06:09 PM
P.S.- can't you just see a lipstick dyke storming the gauntlet of the WTA?

améliemomo
Feb 2nd, 2005, 07:02 PM
Amelie is a great serve and volleyer when she actually does it.
Still, no one knows why she doesn't do that more often since she obviously knows what she's doing.

so true :shrug: hope she will doit more often :)

tennislover
Feb 2nd, 2005, 09:03 PM
look at the best ever serve and volley player in the history of the game:

http://www.fortunecity.com/lavendar/sidjames/126/mn_wimb90.JPG

alfajeffster
Feb 3rd, 2005, 03:07 PM
look at the best ever serve and volley player in the history of the game:

http://www.fortunecity.com/lavendar/sidjames/126/mn_wimb90.JPGI think she's great- really I do- one of the best ever. Take that 90 square inch Yonex snowshoe out of her hand and place a standard size frame there, and the field is wide open for speculation, let alone a better backhand volley. Nothing personal meant by this, just reality.

Grachka
Feb 3rd, 2005, 09:11 PM
The last pure serve-volleyers ;) :sad:

http://www2.raisport.rai.it/news/sport/tennis/199707/03/33bbb60d0578f/novotna0107.jpg http://www.fft.fr/web2001/USOpen2001/images30/tauziat3008.jpg

Anyone know what Jana is up to these days? She was coach of Gullickson, but since parted ways. Jana would probably be ideal for starting up a S&V tennis academy, since Navratilova seems intent on going on forever :p. Such an academy (as proposed by Nav last year) would be a breath of fresh air :)

tennislover
Feb 3rd, 2005, 09:19 PM
http://www2.raisport.rai.it/news/sport/tennis/199707/03/33bbb60d0578f/novotna0107.jpg

great!!! :eek:
i miss all those talented girls

mishar
Feb 3rd, 2005, 09:22 PM
According to the articles associated with the Rockford challenger, Carly Gullickson considers herself a serve and volleyer. I have no idea if she'll be any good -- her coach now is Craig Kardon.

There have been a few matches where Amelie seems fearless about approaching the net and others where she seems terrified. Hard to understand.

One necessity for a good S&Ver is a quality serve, with different spins and placements well under control. I can hardly think of a top woman's player who has a confident and versatile serve. Serena could do it, also Molik, who I understand does do it sometimes.

henmanhill
Feb 3rd, 2005, 11:18 PM
A reminiscing thread that i decided to create as i was sick of all the Aus Open related threads :p. However feel free to going back to discussing the shininess of Serena's ankles....;) :lol:

Volcana
Feb 3rd, 2005, 11:37 PM
It's not just the racquetry, though that IS an issue. As was once famously pointed out, Stefan Edberg used serve-and-volly on second serves on clay. He went to the net, despite playing male opponents with high tech racquets who were swinging at serves they could get a REAL good look at. The guy won six slams playing that way.

The women don't hit as hard as the men, so the passing shots just aren't going as fast. So it IS possible. If the player gets to the net quickly enough, and has fast enough reflexes, and volleys well enough. And is committed to playing that way.

Venus Williams could do it if she changed her serving philosophy to focus on placement and getting a high percentage in. Serena could, given her serve. Lindsay's just not fast enough. Sharapova could certainly learn. So could Kuznetsova. I think what stops a lot of players is the losing you'f go through while learning. I just listed a bunch of players who've wom slams from the baseline. Every one of them would have to give up winning a certain number of slams to re-tool their game.

tennislover
Feb 3rd, 2005, 11:40 PM
It's not just the racquetry, though that IS an issue. As was once famously pointed out, Stefan Edberg used serve-and-volly on second serves on clay. He went to the net, despite playing male opponents with high tech racquets who were swinging at serves they could get a REAL good look at. The guy won six slams playing that way.

The women don't hit as hard as the men, so the passing shots just aren't going as fast. So it IS possible. If the player gets to the net quickly enough, and has fast enough reflexes, and volleys well enough. And is committed to playing that way.

Venus Williams could do it if she changed her serving philosophy to focus on placement and getting a high percentage in. Serena could, given her serve. Lindsay's just not fast enough. Sharapova could certainly learn. So could Kuznetsova. I think what stops a lot of players is the losing you'f go through while learning. I just listed a bunch of players who've wom slams from the baseline. Every one of them would have to give up winning a certain number of slams to re-tool their game.


Stefan Edberg........ :hearts: :hearts: :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:
terrific player :hearts: :hearts: :hearts: :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:

MrYonex
Feb 5th, 2005, 06:44 AM
I could see Venus Williams serving and volleying, but I don't think she will since she is obviously more comfortable at the baseline.

Alica Molik should serve and volley more. She would be so deadly with that game, and I don't know if anyone else noticed this, but at the Aussie Open, it seemed that any rally that went longer than 4 shots she would lose because she could hit a ball on the run... I don't know, I remember Australian Tennis Magazine said that she isn't a good mover, but I definately think she needs to attack more. She would be amazing, and she would definately move up in the rankings! :bounce:

tennis4you_com
Feb 5th, 2005, 06:46 AM
I serve and volley in singles, but these days I am mostly playing doubles. I think that is the ATP and WTA would extend the grass court season, no scratch that, HAVE A GRASS COURT SEASON, we would see more serve and volley players. A true bummer that only 9% of the tournaments are played on grass.

MrYonex
Feb 5th, 2005, 06:55 AM
I wish that the grass court season was longer too, and that more tournaments other than Wimbledon were shown on T.V. I love watching grass court tennis!

Prizeidiot
Feb 5th, 2005, 07:34 AM
Yep... a real grass court season would be outstanding... I would love to see real attacking players come back into the game

Minot113
Feb 5th, 2005, 07:36 AM
wonderful

Grachka
Feb 5th, 2005, 08:48 AM
http://www.tennis.com/Progame/fullstory.sps?iNewsid=16220&itype=1296&iCategoryID=290

That is a great article (from 2000) that pretty much sums up everything that is going against the S&V game these days. Racquet evolution, slowing courts (lack of grass), coaching mentality, the trend of booming, baseline babies, the impatience in player evolution. It's all in there, with celebrity tennisers to boot. Take the time to read it and then you'll understand whats going wrong :sad:

P.S. Whatever happened to poor Aino Rafolomanantsiatosika? :sad: Could have been the next great S&Ver, probably finances :fiery:....

DevilishAttitude
Feb 5th, 2005, 11:53 AM
Carly Gullickson is a serve-volleyer :) I watched against Iroda at Wimbledon 2003 and she consisentely serve/volley and caused Iri problems with her net-rushing style. She wasn't that good at the net though and her game was too raw to be a major threat to Iroda but I'm sure if she's been coached by Novotna and lists herself as a serve-volleyer she has kept the style. She has been rising through the ranks more slowly than other juniors but that's not too surprising.

Grachka
Feb 5th, 2005, 12:30 PM
Carly Gullickson is a serve-volleyer :) I watched against Iroda at Wimbledon 2003 and she consisentely serve/volley and caused Iri problems with her net-rushing style. She wasn't that good at the net though and her game was too raw to be a major threat to Iroda but I'm sure if she's been coached by Novotna and lists herself as a serve-volleyer she has kept the style. She has been rising through the ranks more slowly than other juniors but that's not too surprising.
Yes :) S&Vers take relatively longer to mature their games, and get comfortable at the net etc. but i hope and am confident that she can get at least into the Top 100. I would be really happy if that was the case, that people like Gullickson, Janes (Torres if she still does it) got into a position where they are at least occasionally playing a contrasting style at the top of the game. It's just so monotonous :sobbing:

You don't even need to be as fit as Navratilova was, Tauziat showed that.

Sam L
Feb 5th, 2005, 02:18 PM
To be quite honest, I'm not saddened to see the death of serve/volley tennis. I've never been a fan. I grew up watching and admiring the likes of Seles/Graf/Agassi - the quintessential modern power baseliners.

Even when I play tennis, I never go to the net, just stay on the baseline and content to hit from there. I don't want to learn how to volley either.

I don't know, there is something about baseline tennis that requires a lot of grace and movement which I like to watch.

In the future, we may only have a lot of baseline clones. I don't mind that. I enjoy it. There will still be different people with different personalities.

I do like to see angles though. Especially the power angles that Seles and Serena Williams perfected and of course, if you must go to the net - the swing volley. ;)

Pdm1987
Feb 23rd, 2005, 10:30 PM
Amanda Janes truly is a great player, once she gets her slices sorted out she'll be a grand player, you mark my words, I speak no lies

Vamos AJ :D

thelittlestelf
Feb 23rd, 2005, 10:34 PM
Surprised no one's mentioned Lisa Raymond. She has a beautiful serve & volley combo.

PaulieM
Feb 23rd, 2005, 10:35 PM
:yippee: glad to see this thread back on the first page

anabolix
Feb 23rd, 2005, 11:10 PM
To be quite honest, I'm not saddened to see the death of serve/volley tennis. I've never been a fan. I grew up watching and admiring the likes of Seles/Graf/Agassi - the quintessential modern power baseliners.

Even when I play tennis, I never go to the net, just stay on the baseline and content to hit from there. I don't want to learn how to volley either.

I don't know, there is something about baseline tennis that requires a lot of grace and movement which I like to watch.

In the future, we may only have a lot of baseline clones. I don't mind that. I enjoy it. There will still be different people with different personalities.

I do like to see angles though. Especially the power angles that Seles and Serena Williams perfected and of course, if you must go to the net - the swing volley. ;)


No one wants all S+Vers. I love baseliners too. Its the contrast thats so great to see.

I think that the greatest rivalries ever were Evert vs Navratilova and Borg vs McEnroe. I'm pretty sure that manywould agree with that. Agassi vs sampras comes close too. the common thread in these is base liner vs serve volleyer........... I know there were great baseliner/baseliner matche-ups (graf vs seles springs to mind), but there is nothing like a clash of contrasts)

Thats part of why why it was hard for venus and serena, great as they were a few years ago, to have great matches. People like to see a contrast of styles.

JenFan75
Feb 23rd, 2005, 11:34 PM
P.S. Whatever happened to poor Aino Rafolomanantsiatosika? :sad: Could have been the next great S&Ver, probably finances :fiery:....


She quit because no one could pronounce her name :p

Lapin
Feb 24th, 2005, 12:22 AM
Amélie has great volleys; she seems a natural volleyer to me, and I think her game is at it's most beautiful on grass! :D


http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid150/p1d63530486b0fb81c5ec1497a7349e68/f5dd947b.jpg

PaulieM
Mar 16th, 2005, 06:12 PM
Taylor Dent did some nice serve and volleying last night :)