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hello1087
Jan 7th, 2005, 09:46 PM
which players do u think are republicans or democrats. i hope all of them are democrats even though some are not

Calimero377
Jan 7th, 2005, 09:50 PM
which players do u think are republicans or democrats. i hope all of them are democrats even though some are not


I hope all of them are Republicans even though some are not.

hello1087
Jan 7th, 2005, 10:25 PM
why do you hope that all of the players are republicans? By saying that do u think george bush is doing a good job leading the U.S. and other foriegn affairs that concern the U.S.? Cause I dont!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

pcrtennis
Jan 7th, 2005, 10:26 PM
I hope all of them are Republicans even though some are not.



Amen :worship:

hello1087
Jan 7th, 2005, 10:27 PM
thankyou!

Flo1330
Jan 7th, 2005, 10:31 PM
I think I have read that Lindsay Davenport was a Republican! I was really disappointed by her... But I suppose there is a huge difference between "to be Republican" and "to be for Bush".

hello1087
Jan 7th, 2005, 10:34 PM
thats tru

Danke Anke
Jan 7th, 2005, 10:36 PM
a lot of american tennis players aren't very smart, so i suppose there is a high chance that many are republicans.

pcrtennis
Jan 7th, 2005, 10:39 PM
a lot of american tennis players aren't very smart, so i suppose there is a high chance that many are republicans.


That's untrue on so many levels... :rolleyes:

JenCpLvr
Jan 7th, 2005, 10:41 PM
a lot of american tennis players aren't very smart, so i suppose there is a high chance that many are republicans.
Oh, So I suppose that you left-wing bandwagoners are somehow more intelligent? Speak those words to your former presidential candidate who lost because he couldn't think for himself. :rolleyes: :tape:

JennyS
Jan 7th, 2005, 10:43 PM
Oy vey.

Winston's Human
Jan 7th, 2005, 10:43 PM
I hope they do not tell us. There is nothing more tedious than athletes or celebrities talking about politics.

pcrtennis
Jan 7th, 2005, 10:43 PM
Oh, So I suppose that you left-wing bandwagoners are somehow more intelligent? Speak those words to your former presidential candidate who lost because he couldn't think for himself. :rolleyes: :tape:


WOOT :bounce:

JennyS
Jan 7th, 2005, 10:44 PM
I hope they do not tell us. There is nothing more tedious than athletes or celebrities talking about politics.
Agreed.

741852
Jan 7th, 2005, 10:44 PM
Oh, So I suppose that you left-wing bandwagoners are somehow more intelligent? Speak those words to your former presidential candidate who lost because he couldn't think for himself. :rolleyes: :tape:
:worship: :worship:

Danke Anke
Jan 7th, 2005, 11:02 PM
actually, kerry lost because your average american is just as dumb as bush.
http://chrisevans3d.com/files/iq.htm

enjoy.

Calimero377
Jan 7th, 2005, 11:17 PM
actually, kerry lost because your average american is just as dumb as bush.
http://chrisevans3d.com/files/iq.htm

enjoy.

You're German?
Well, the Germans haven proven again and again in their history that they are the smartest people around politically.
:lol:

Justeenium
Jan 7th, 2005, 11:23 PM
actually, kerry lost because your average american is just as dumb as bush.
http://chrisevans3d.com/files/iq.htm

enjoy.

oh look we have another hypocritical european with an affinity for swallowing propaganda. textbook eurotard.

Denise4925
Jan 7th, 2005, 11:31 PM
a lot of american tennis players aren't very smart, so i suppose there is a high chance that many are republicans.
:lol: Good one! :lol:

Danke Anke
Jan 7th, 2005, 11:51 PM
oh look we have another hypocritical european with an affinity for swallowing propaganda. textbook eurotard.
i'm from ohio genius -- last time i checked, ohio wasn't a part of europe.

Denise4925
Jan 7th, 2005, 11:57 PM
i'm from ohio genius -- last time i checked, ohio wasn't a part of europe.
:o

Calimero377
Jan 7th, 2005, 11:59 PM
i'm from ohio genius -- last time i checked, ohio wasn't a part of europe.

But of German origin?

JennyS
Jan 8th, 2005, 12:05 AM
Yeah, Bush is so dumb, that's why he went to Ivy League colleges.

backhanddtl4
Jan 8th, 2005, 01:22 AM
Yeah, Bush is so dumb, that's why he went to Ivy League colleges.


You need to study the past. Yes, he went to Ivy Leagues. No, he wasn't a good student. While John Kerry was participating in debate and many extra-curricular activites at Yale, George Bush was getting drunk and participating on the cheerleading team at the same time. He was a C average student, and he didn't get into Yale because he was smart. He got into Yale because his dad was a student there, and because he was a rich white boy.

Get with it. Saying Bush is smart because he went to Ivy League is a futile generalization.

JasonW
Jan 8th, 2005, 05:14 AM
Imma gonna have to steal an already used phrase...OY VEY...I would like to say I don't feel so outnumbered now. I think there are alot more Republicans on this board than there used to be. I also think that the players should not let their political affiliations be known. Although, I heard Jennifer is a republican and so is Andy Roddick.

RedFilaJ-Cap#1
Jan 8th, 2005, 05:17 AM
I would think Jen would be a democrat, but hey I don't know anything about politics so I am going to stay out of this one!!!

jojoseph
Jan 8th, 2005, 06:10 AM
Democrats pwn. Republicans are for the elite 3% of the US that make the most...as well as for the others that wish they were in that elite status.

tennispro105
Jan 8th, 2005, 06:43 AM
first off i would like to hope that they are republican!

second of all... what makes us stupid if we're republican!
cause you think we're all red-neck hicks from the south? HUM!!?!?!
well let me tell you i live down in the south and we're far from it!

i bet you think texas is a desert waste land huh? think we ride freakin' horses everywhere and have maybe 2 or 3 paved roads in the whole state?
SHOWS HOW MUCH YOU KNOW!
can u tell me the capital of texas? dallas? houston? NO!
no bet u can't w/o lookin' it up which i bet you all will do and try to claim u knew it!

we have more minorities in the south which i'm not saying that automatically makes them less educated but from what i've experienced, that is often times the case. this brings individual state averages down since there are large groups of minorities. you in other states don't have this factored in. most of those minorities don't vote even!

don't say i'm racist either because i'm not! you liberals from california are worried about hispanics taking over your state and if it's not true for the majority of you, well i'll back the statement up because someone i know from there told me that when i went to a tennis tournament there 3 years ago.

also you say we're so dumb...
who lost the election 4 years ago cuz their supporters in a little state called umm... FLORIDA... voted for the wrong candidate!

oh and as you guys would like to go...

:worship: :bounce:



:rolleyes:

backhanddtl4
Jan 8th, 2005, 06:50 AM
first off i would like to hope that they are republican!

second of all... what makes us stupid if we're republican!
cause you think we're all red-neck hicks from the south? HUM!!?!?!
well let me tell you i live down in the south and we're far from it!

i bet you think texas is a desert waste land huh? think we ride freakin' horses everywhere and have maybe 2 or 3 paved roads in the whole state?
SHOWS HOW MUCH YOU KNOW!
can u tell me the capital of texas? dallas? houston? NO!
no bet u can't w/o lookin' it up which i bet you all will do and try to claim u knew it!

we have more minorities in the south which i'm not saying that automatically makes them less educated but from what i've experienced, that is often times the case. this brings individual state averages down since there are large groups of minorities. you in other states don't have this factored in. most of those minorities don't vote even!

don't say i'm racist either because i'm not! you liberals from california are worried about hispanics taking over your state and if it's not true for the majority of you, well i'll back the statement up because someone i know from there told me that when i went to a tennis tournament there 3 years ago.

also you say we're so dumb...
who lost the election 4 years ago cuz their supporters in a little state called umm... FLORIDA... voted for the wrong candidate!

oh and as you guys would like to go...

:worship: :bounce:



:rolleyes:

Lol, I laughed so hard when I read this. All you did was irrationally babble about things that hadn't even been said. Thanks for adding validity to our statement, "republicans are stupid".

tennispro105
Jan 8th, 2005, 06:51 AM
says who??? what the hell are you basing that on!?!?!?!?!?!

Philbo
Jan 8th, 2005, 08:07 AM
Republicans arent stupid - at least not at the upper level, they are a well oiled machine and know how to keep the country in just enough fear to be able to control them while getting away with blatant corruption under the guise of government, vast conflicts of interests and unashamedly waging an unnecescery war and failing in the real war on terror - and at the same time retaining power.

They are a well oiled machine. An evil well oiled machine.

Martina Navratilova is a passionate Democrat, and I love every comment she makes on politics - definitely more well informed than your average tennis player. Pam Shriver is a passionate republican.

switz
Jan 8th, 2005, 08:25 AM
please admin people just delete or transfer this thread to non-tennis. there has already been one like it recently and it actually was about the tennis players. this is just annoying americans arguing about something that isn't even important for anymore.

i'm going to start a thread about party people think australian tennis players support

molik: labor
stosur: democrats
pratt: nationals
hewitt: one nation
scud: does not know the names of the parties.

greenfunkTHREE.
Jan 8th, 2005, 11:33 AM
uhh, sorry for being so dumb.

what's republican's and democrats?

pigam
Jan 8th, 2005, 11:36 AM
Justine votes for the socialists :)

JohnBoy
Jan 8th, 2005, 11:39 AM
why do you hope that all of the players are republicans? By saying that do u think george bush is doing a good job leading the U.S. and other foriegn affairs that concern the U.S.? Cause I dont!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Completely agree.


America used to be seen as a saviour and was held in very high regard, sadly that is no longer the case. If I were American I would be embarrased and rather concerned about what the world thought of my country !!!

Chrissie-fan
Jan 8th, 2005, 12:51 PM
Republicans are conservative. They love wars and guns. Love the rich and hate the poor. Hate gays. Call everyone who disagrees with them a communist. Believe in a creature that they believe is always on their side and which they call God.

Democrats are supposed to be the opposite of all that,but as time goes by they move closer and closer to the republican way of thinking because they think that's where the votes are.

....But since politics is such a bore,who gives a fuck. :smoke:

uhh, sorry for being so dumb.

what's republican's and democrats?

Mariangelina
Jan 8th, 2005, 01:01 PM
Oy vey. :lol: Kami-sama.

I'm starting to believe more in equality of all people. In other words, almost every population is equally stupid.

jamesuk
Jan 8th, 2005, 01:20 PM
You're German?
Well, the Germans haven proven again and again in their history that they are the smartest people around politically.
:lol:

By history you mean post 1945? If not I would hardly be proud of your country's "smart" politics before that time.


Anyway my feelings on players' political stance varies according to the player. Knowing that Lindsay is Republican is disappointing but I respect her for it much more than I would Jailbird Jenny being one. It is pretty clear there is a wide gap of intelligence between these two, so at least you know that any opinions Lindsay holds have been more thought over than Jenny. Just guessing tho, from what I have seen and read in their interviews and press conferences for the last 10 years!

Pam being Republican too is cool with me as at least she is articulate and has got a head on her shoulders, and has common sense. Though I am democrat, if I were undecided and had to be persuaded by Pam and MArtina I think Pam would do a better job!!!

I would be more interested in WHY the players are of a certain party, not which party specifically. BJK said economically she was right wing, socially she was left wing, for example

tenn_ace
Jan 8th, 2005, 01:22 PM
Damir Dokic = green

switz
Jan 8th, 2005, 01:36 PM
By history you mean post 1945? If not I would hardly be proud of your country's "smart" politics before that time.


although this poster has to be one of the biggest losers to ever greet this loser a plenty board, i think you will find he was being sarcastic. although i find it confusing in some ways considering his stalker like obsession with steffi graf.

jamesuk
Jan 8th, 2005, 01:40 PM
if it had been anyone else I would have spotted the irony/sarcasm, but with that freak ya just never know

Duramont
Jan 8th, 2005, 01:40 PM
The Republicans and their silly and nasty leader Bush have cowboy mentality: Either you are with us or against us! :mad:

They are torturing their prisonners and killing innocent people in Iraq or Afghanistan for their profits. :mad:

They are against everybody which has another religion and are so conservative as inquisitors in the Middle ages! :tape: :tape:

They aren't respecting Kyoto treaty and are not for the rights of animals!

G.W. Bush is leader of a strange sect and certainly he believes that every Muslem is a devil like he declared some countries "axis of evil".

I will sum up my opinion: G.W. Bush and his republicans are a danger for the world and should not have been reelected. Nearly all countries would have voted against him but the Americans voted him again! :fiery: :fiery: :fiery:


(PS: I am not for Kerry, but he is much better than Bush)

Calimero377
Jan 8th, 2005, 02:10 PM
By history you mean post 1945? If not I would hardly be proud of your country's "smart" politics before that time.
...

No I meant especially pre-1946, dumbo!
I was refering sarcastically to a "Danke-Anke" guy, presumbly from Germany, who dissed Bush and the Republicans.

Calimero377
Jan 8th, 2005, 02:15 PM
although this poster has to be one of the biggest losers to ever greet this loser a plenty board, i think you will find he was being sarcastic. although i find it confusing in some ways considering his stalker like obsession with steffi graf.


Just two quotes for you:

"Oh, one last question: Exactly how many Wimbledon titles has, did, or will Seles win? Was that 'zero' I heard? it sure was. Enough said."
(Stephen Thomas, FOXSports.com, August 13, 1999)

"It's a faster, more athletic game. She is old now. ... Her time has passed."
(Martina Hingis on Steffi Graf in the July 1998 issue of "Tennis" - 11 months before Graf destroyed her at FO)

Winner are are grinners ...

:p

Calimero377
Jan 8th, 2005, 02:16 PM
The Republicans and their silly and nasty leader Bush have cowboy mentality: Either you are with us or against us! :mad:

They are torturing their prisonners and killing innocent people in Iraq or Afghanistan for their profits. :mad:

They are against everybody which has another religion and are so conservative as inquisitors in the Middle ages! :tape: :tape:

They aren't respecting Kyoto treaty and are not for the rights of animals!

G.W. Bush is leader of a strange sect and certainly he believes that every Muslem is a devil like he declared some countries "axis of evil".

I will sum up my opinion: G.W. Bush and his republicans are a danger for the world and should not have been reelected. Nearly all countries would have voted against him but the Americans voted him again! :fiery: :fiery: :fiery:


(PS: I am not for Kerry, but he is much better than Bush)


Luxemdumbo ...

jamesuk
Jan 8th, 2005, 02:30 PM
hingis self destructed, graf didn't destroy her, she simply kept the ball in play

switz
Jan 8th, 2005, 02:42 PM
Just two quotes for you:

"Oh, one last question: Exactly how many Wimbledon titles has, did, or will Seles win? Was that 'zero' I heard? it sure was. Enough said."
(Stephen Thomas, FOXSports.com, August 13, 1999)

"It's a faster, more athletic game. She is old now. ... Her time has passed."
(Martina Hingis on Steffi Graf in the July 1998 issue of "Tennis" - 11 months before Graf destroyed her at FO)

Winner are are grinners ...

:p

i should find that confusing but it kind of makes sense with your weird personality. you do realise that you are not steffi graf do you not?

Kelly
Jan 8th, 2005, 02:42 PM
lindsay is a republican....in the interview she did she said she was brought up that way but doesnt agree with bush's policys and the war in iraq....and said she is even considering voting kerry...this was b4 the election.

jamesuk
Jan 8th, 2005, 03:50 PM
Thats what I mean about Lindsay, she can think and is obviously capable of seeing different sides to issues. I get the impression that a lot of other players dont have that ability at all. Just like in real life tho, I guess

Calimero377
Jan 8th, 2005, 04:01 PM
i should find that confusing but it kind of makes sense with your weird personality. you do realise that you are not steffi graf do you not?


Who knows ... ?

Calimero377
Jan 8th, 2005, 04:03 PM
lindsay is a republican....in the interview she did she said she was brought up that way but doesnt agree with bush's policys and the war in iraq...

Saddam didn't agree with Bush's policies and the war in Iraq either.
So what?

switz
Jan 8th, 2005, 04:05 PM
Who knows ... ?

omg you are steffi. the arrogance is a dead give away. just kidding. congratulations on being so adored and admired and for bring life back into tennis.

JenCpLvr
Jan 8th, 2005, 05:17 PM
Republicans are conservative. They love wars and guns. Love the rich and hate the poor. Hate gays. Call everyone who disagrees with them a communist. Believe in a creature that they believe is always on their side and which they call God.

Democrats are supposed to be the opposite of all that,but as time goes by they move closer and closer to the republican way of thinking because they think that's where the votes are.

....But since politics is such a bore,who gives a fuck. :smoke:
I have to completely disagree with your post. Republicans are stereotyped in the categories you listed, not defined. I am a gay and happen to support a more conservative way of life. Calling someone conservative isn't always a reference to their social lifestyle.. It's more about your ideas with government. I happen to be more conservative because of my feelings on healthcare, social security, and the war.. Not because I believe everything your stereotypes suggest.

Danke Anke
Jan 8th, 2005, 05:50 PM
No I meant especially pre-1946, dumbo!
I was refering sarcastically to a "Danke-Anke" guy, presumbly from Germany, who dissed Bush and the Republicans.
So... any fan of Anke Huber who happens to know that Danke means thanks and rhymes with Anke is automatically German? Interesting, I wasn't aware.

I was born in the US and, up until now, beleived byself to be of Greek and Russian origin, but thanks for educating me on my ancestry, "dumbo."

gourownway
Jan 8th, 2005, 06:04 PM
Hmm....this thread just shows how divided it really is out there, and that nothing has changed since the election.

Just a note:

For all you Republicans out there, think about this. If Nixon ran today, he would be labled a Conservative Democrat, read your history.

For all you Democrats out there, think about this. Something has to be done differently within the party ranks, because this country re-elected Bush, who happens to be one of the least stellar presidents of out time.

Just my two cents.

Proceed to rip and give me neg rep.

Duramont
Jan 8th, 2005, 06:10 PM
Luxemdumbo ...

Better a Luxemdumbo than a narrowminded cowboy!!! :fiery: :fiery: :fiery:

We are respecting human rights and the Muslems!
My government is not in the critic (and the critic was true!) and we are not killing innocent people with false statements.

The truth is that Bush had no rights to go in Iraq and start the war. Saddam Hussein is a nasty man but he had nothing to do with eleven September attacks. The real reason why Bush and co. went in Iraq was the petrol!

Everybody who supports the Republicans and Bush are supporting automaticly his nasty politic (although the respective voter is not standing behind everything the Republicans do). ;)

Calimero377
Jan 8th, 2005, 07:12 PM
So... any fan of Anke Huber who happens to know that Danke means thanks and rhymes with Anke is automatically German? Interesting, I wasn't aware.

I was born in the US and, up until now, beleived byself to be of Greek and Russian origin, but thanks for educating me on my ancestry, "dumbo."


Aren't you the guy from Ohio, the "Hero State", where the presidential election was decided? Bravo!!

BTW, at first I thought no-one who lives more than 5 km from Karlsdorf can be a Huber fan. And you sounded so eurowhimpy ...

Danke Anke
Jan 8th, 2005, 07:18 PM
Aren't you the guy from Ohio, the "Hero State", where the presidential election was decided? Bravo!!

BTW, at first I thought no-one who lives more than 5 km from Karlsdorf can be a Huber fan. And you sounded so eurowhimpy ...
Yes, and I was one of the 49% of Ohioans who voted for Kerry... what's your point? Also, what is a "hero state" exactly?

Calimero377
Jan 8th, 2005, 07:26 PM
Better a Luxemdumbo than a narrowminded cowboy!!! :fiery: :fiery: :fiery:

We are respecting human rights and the Muslems!
My government is not in the critic (and the critic was true!) and we are not killing innocent people with false statements.

The truth is that Bush had no rights to go in Iraq and start the war. Saddam Hussein is a nasty man but he had nothing to do with eleven September attacks. The real reason why Bush and co. went in Iraq was the petrol!

Everybody who supports the Republicans and Bush are supporting automaticly his nasty politic (although the respective voter is not standing behind everything the Republicans do). ;)


The Allies killed a lot of innocent French, Dutch, Belgians and Luxemburgers when they liberated Europe in 44/45.

Saddam had connections with Al Kaida. Bush was right not to wait patiently until Saddam had aquired WMDs. The embargo didn't work anymore and had caused the deaths of many innocent Iraquis anyway. Saddam had to be taken out. I'm glad that the U.S. had such a strong and decisive leadership!
:worship:

GrantyBoy
Jan 8th, 2005, 09:28 PM
The main issue I with Bush is about his support for big business over environmental issues - I think his refusal to sign the Kiyoto agreement is very poor......

Calimero377
Jan 8th, 2005, 09:47 PM
The main issue I with Bush is about his support for big business over environmental issues - I think his refusal to sign the Kiyoto agreement is very poor......


The U.S. Senate voted 99-1 against the Kyoto protocol during the Clinton administration already ...
Kyoto has many draw-backs. But Dubya should have made a better proposal. Unfortunately he didn't do that.

JasonW
Jan 9th, 2005, 01:40 AM
Actually Pam Shirver isn't that BIG of a republican, she gives money equally depending on the candidate...Money given to candidates over 200 dollars is public record. Seeing who she gave money too was very interesting.

fifiricci
Jan 9th, 2005, 01:46 AM
AS MOST OF THE TOP PLAYERS ARE NOT AMERICAN, THEY CAN'T BE DEFINED AS REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT IN THOSE TERMS, SO WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK?

This has to be the most moronic thread I've seen in a long long time, This board is global and should not be defined in terms of US party politics.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Winston's Human
Jan 9th, 2005, 06:53 PM
The Republicans and their silly and nasty leader Bush have cowboy mentality: Either you are with us or against us! :mad:

They are torturing their prisonners and killing innocent people in Iraq or Afghanistan for their profits. :mad:

They are against everybody which has another religion and are so conservative as inquisitors in the Middle ages! :tape: :tape:

They aren't respecting Kyoto treaty and are not for the rights of animals!

G.W. Bush is leader of a strange sect and certainly he believes that every Muslem is a devil like he declared some countries "axis of evil".

I will sum up my opinion: G.W. Bush and his republicans are a danger for the world and should not have been reelected. Nearly all countries would have voted against him but the Americans voted him again! :fiery: :fiery: :fiery:


(PS: I am not for Kerry, but he is much better than Bush)

I think for anyone from Europe to be lecturing Americans on human rights is ridiculous. I learned everything I needed to know about European human rights when, in my childhood, my father took me to Dachau and to where my grandfather served as a war crimes judge.

Chrissie-fan
Jan 9th, 2005, 08:13 PM
Every part of the world,every country has a lot to answer for. People are basically the same everywhere. We suck,and I don't necessarily mean any individuals in particular,but we "the human race" as a group. All we can really hope for is that we will one day stop making the same mistakes over and over again. Knowing human nature that time won't come any time soon (if ever). :smoke:

I think for anyone from Europe to be lecturing Americans on human rights is ridiculous. I learned everything I needed to know about European human rights when, in my childhood, my father took me to Dachau and to where my grandfather served as a war crimes judge.

Philbo
Jan 9th, 2005, 10:07 PM
The Allies killed a lot of innocent French, Dutch, Belgians and Luxemburgers when they liberated Europe in 44/45.

Saddam had connections with Al Kaida. Bush was right not to wait patiently until Saddam had aquired WMDs. The embargo didn't work anymore and had caused the deaths of many innocent Iraquis anyway. Saddam had to be taken out. I'm glad that the U.S. had such a strong and decisive leadership!
:worship:
I see Cali swallows the Bush propaganda like a good little puppet.

Show us one piece of evidence that proves a link between Saddam and Al Quueda.

The CIA has HAD TO ADMIT THAT THERE IS NO CONNECTION.

You are just swallowing the propaganda like a good little controlled statistic.

Calimero377
Jan 9th, 2005, 10:29 PM
I see Cali swallows the Bush propaganda like a good little puppet.

Show us one piece of evidence that proves a link between Saddam and Al Quueda.

The CIA has HAD TO ADMIT THAT THERE IS NO CONNECTION.

You are just swallowing the propaganda like a good little controlled statistic.


"Anybody who says there is no working relationship between al Qaeda and Iraqi intelligence going back to the early '90s--they can only say that if they're illiterate. This is a slam dunk."
(James Woolsey, CIA director, Clinton administration)


Good night, Dumbo ...

:wavey:

Philbo
Jan 9th, 2005, 10:50 PM
"Anybody who says there is no working relationship between al Qaeda and Iraqi intelligence going back to the early '90s--they can only say that if they're illiterate. This is a slam dunk."
(James Woolsey, CIA director, Clinton administration)


Good night, Dumbo ...

:wavey:
During one of his rare press conferences, President Bush admitted something which completely contradicts what we've been hearing from him, most other politicians, and the mainstream media. Not surprisingly, the media have completely ignored this; I couldn't find a single article that mentions it in any news source, domestic or foreign.
The occasion was a press conference with UK Prime Minister Tony Blair, which took place in the White House on 31 January 2003. Here's the key portion:


[Adam Boulton, Sky News (London):] One question for you both. Do you believe that there is a link between Saddam Hussein, a direct link, and the men who attacked on September the 11th?

THE PRESIDENT: I can't make that claim.

THE PRIME MINISTER: That answers your question.



Under any circumstances, these answers are remarkable for their brevity and directness. No politician answers clearly and in just one sentence. Yet on this crucial matter, Bush and Blair did just that. (True, Blair then launched into his standard speech about how we need to attack Iraq anyway, but his direct answer is brief and to the point.)

What they unambiguously admitted is that there is no connection between Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden/al Qaeda. You may recall that bin Laden and al Qaeda are officially blamed for hatching, plotting, and carrying out the 9/11 attacks. That's who the British reporter was referring to. Now the President and Prime Minister have said there is no link between them and the government of Iraq. Could it be any simpler?

You'll need to do better retard.

Philbo
Jan 9th, 2005, 10:54 PM
"Anybody who says there is no working relationship between al Qaeda and Iraqi intelligence going back to the early '90s--they can only say that if they're illiterate. This is a slam dunk."
(James Woolsey, CIA director, Clinton administration)


Good night, Dumbo ...

:wavey:

The Iraq Connection
Al Qaeda-Hussein Link Is Dismissed


By Walter Pincus and Dana Milbank
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, June 17, 2004; Page A01 The Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday that it has found no "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda, challenging one of the Bush administration's main justifications for the war in Iraq.
Along with the contention that Saddam Hussein was stockpiling weapons of mass destruction, President Bush, Vice President Cheney and other top administration officials have often asserted that there were extensive ties between Hussein's government and Osama bin Laden's terrorist network; earlier this year, Cheney said evidence of a link was "overwhelming."

But the report of the commission's staff, based on its access to all relevant classified information, said that there had been contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda but no cooperation. In yesterday's hearing of the panel, formally known as the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, a senior FBI official and a senior CIA analyst concurred with the finding.

The staff report said that bin Laden "explored possible cooperation with Iraq" while in Sudan through 1996, but that "Iraq apparently never responded" to a bin Laden request for help in 1994. The commission cited reports of contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda after bin Laden went to Afghanistan in 1996, adding, "but they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship. Two senior bin Laden associates have adamantly denied that any ties existed between al Qaeda and Iraq. We have no credible evidence that Iraq and al Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States."

The finding challenges a belief held by large numbers of Americans about al Qaeda's ties to Hussein. According to a Harris poll in late April, a plurality of Americans, 49 percent to 36 percent, believe "clear evidence that Iraq was supporting al Qaeda has been found."

As recently as Monday, Cheney said in a speech that Hussein "had long-established ties with al Qaeda." Bush, asked on Tuesday to verify or qualify that claim, defended it by pointing to Abu Musab Zarqawi, who has taken credit for a wave of attacks in Iraq.

Bush's Democratic challenger, Sen. John F. Kerry (Mass.), sought to profit from the commission's finding. "The administration misled America, and the administration reached too far," Kerry told Michigan Public Radio. "I believe that the 9/11 report, the early evidence, is that they're going to indicate that we didn't have the kind of terrorists links that this administration was asserting. I think that's a very, very serious finding."

A Bush campaign spokesman countered that Kerry himself has said Hussein "supported and harbored terrorist groups." And Cheney's spokesman pointed to a 2002 letter written by CIA Director George J. Tenet stating that "we have solid reporting of senior level contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda going back a decade" and "credible information indicates that Iraq and al Qaeda have discussed safe haven and reciprocal non-aggression." Cheney's office also pointed to a 2003 Tenet statement calling Zarqawi "a senior al Qaeda terrorist associate."

White House spokesman Scott McClellan said the commission finding of long-standing high-level contacts between al Qaeda and Iraq justified the administration's earlier assertions. "We stand behind what was said publicly," he said.

Bush, speaking to troops in Tampa yesterday, did not mention an Iraq-al Qaeda link, saying only that Iraq "sheltered terrorist groups." That was a significantly milder version of the allegations administration officials have made since shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

Philbo
Jan 9th, 2005, 10:57 PM
Its just to easy to kick your ass on this one Cali.. At least show me something challenging.

Cannot believe you are so quick to swallow whatever bullshit you're fed.

Then again, you do live in Germany..

Calimero377
Jan 9th, 2005, 10:58 PM
During one of his rare press conferences, President Bush admitted something which completely contradicts what we've been hearing from him, most other politicians, and the mainstream media. Not surprisingly, the media have completely ignored this; I couldn't find a single article that mentions it in any news source, domestic or foreign.
The occasion was a press conference with UK Prime Minister Tony Blair, which took place in the White House on 31 January 2003. Here's the key portion:


[Adam Boulton, Sky News (London):] One question for you both. Do you believe that there is a link between Saddam Hussein, a direct link, and the men who attacked on September the 11th? ....

We were talking about the numerous links between Saddam's Iraq and the Al Kaida organisation. No-one has made the claim that Saddam had a "direct link" to the 17 killers who murdered 3000 innocent victims on 9/11.

Is that too complicated for you, Retardo?

switz
Jan 9th, 2005, 11:00 PM
don't you ever look at your posts and think "i the biggest arsehole the world has ever seen"??

switz
Jan 9th, 2005, 11:01 PM
sorry steffi that was rude. you're a bitch but an arsehole.

Philbo
Jan 9th, 2005, 11:09 PM
We were talking about the numerous links between Saddam's Iraq and the Al Kaida organisation. No-one has made the claim that Saddam had a "direct link" to the 17 killers who murdered 3000 innocent victims on 9/11.

Is that too complicated for you, Retardo?
"The staff report said that bin Laden "explored possible cooperation with Iraq" while in Sudan through 1996, but that "Iraq apparently never responded" to a bin Laden request for help in 1994. The commission cited reports of contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda after bin Laden went to Afghanistan in 1996, adding, "but they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship. Two senior bin Laden associates have adamantly denied that any ties existed between al Qaeda and Iraq. We have no credible evidence that Iraq and al Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States."

i would say the comprehensive, congressional investigation would have more information at its use than the individual you quoted.

C'mon Cali, make it a challenge for me to make you look stupid at least..this is just toooo damm easy...

Calimero377
Jan 9th, 2005, 11:15 PM
don't you ever look at your posts and think "i the biggest arsehole the world has ever seen"??


I'm not you, Witz ...

:lol:

switz
Jan 9th, 2005, 11:18 PM
I'm not you, Witz ...

:lol:

omg steffi that was a piss weak reply for such a great champion.

bracey
Jan 9th, 2005, 11:18 PM
I admire people who don't hold party loyalties but view the respective party manifestations and then proceed to vote. I believe we have to keep an open mind about politics and accept that every administration has pros and cons but should not stereotype these particular parties because party principles change like the wind.

Take for example the Republican party, who in the 19th Century, sought to equalise opportunities for blacks and, despite their rumoured intentions, were the party that abolished slavery in the U.S.A. whether anyone likes it or not.

In a nutshell, the tallest people are those with an informed opinion and without a pre-determined bias towards a particular party.

Calimero377
Jan 9th, 2005, 11:18 PM
<Chokerfan's propaganda snipped>



Inconvenient Facts
John Kerry has now decided that he must deny any links between Saddam's Iraq and terrorism. There are some facts which he should be confronted with at tomorrow's debate.
by Stephen F. Hayes
09/29/2004 7:39:00 AM


THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION argues that the Iraq war was the central front in the war on terror. Not long ago, John Kerry agreed. He called Saddam Hussein a terrorist. He worried about Iraq passing weapons to terrorists. His running mate prominently cited Iraq's terrorist connections as a chief reason for the war. As recently as early September, Kerry praised soldiers in Iraq as freedom fighters in the war on terror.

All of this has changed. The Iraq war, Kerry says now with borrowed conviction, was a distraction.

"The invasion of Iraq was a profound diversion from the battle against our greatest enemy: al Qaeda," Kerry claimed, adding, "Iraq is now what it was not before the war--a haven for terrorists."

In an interview with Time magazine, Kerry claimed that the 9/11 Commission found not only that Iraq was not behind the September 11 attacks, but that Iraq had "nothing to do with al Qaeda."

In the past two weeks, his surrogates have gone even further. To wit: "There was no terrorism in Iraq before we went to war," said Stephanie Cutter, chief spokeswoman for the Kerry campaign, on September 9. "Iraq and terrorism had nothing to do with one another. Zero," said Teresa Heinz Kerry in a September 22 speech in Arizona. "Saddam Hussein and Iraq never were a threat to our national security or to the United States," claimed Ted Kennedy in an appearance on Hardball on Monday.

Why is Team Kerry so eager to separate the Iraq war from the broader war on terror? If voters believe that Iraq is an important part of the war on terror, they are more likely to be patient with difficulties there. On the flip side, if Kerry were able to convince voters that the Iraq war was a distraction from the war on terror, he would erode confidence not only in Bush's handling of Iraq but also of the broader war on terror. According to numbers released in yesterday's USA Today/CNN/Gallup poll Kerry needs to do just that. Self-identified likely voters were asked about whether they approve of Bush's handling of the situation in Iraq and the war on terror. Forty-eight of those surveyed approved of Bush's handling of the "situation in Iraq" and 49 percent disapproved. But the numbers spike when likely voters were asked about Bush's handling of the war on terror; 62 percent approve and only 36 percent disapprove.

So it's not difficult to understand why Kerry's campaign wants to separate Iraq and the war on terror. But to claim that Saddam had "nothing to do with al Qaeda?" That there was no terrorism in Iraq before the war? That Iraq has never been a threat to the United States? These are preposterous statements. They're not debatable, or a matter of interpretation. They are demonstrably false.

Here are some relevant facts about Iraqi support for terrorism:

* On March 28, 1992, the Iraqi Intelligence Service compiled a 20-page list of terrorists the regime considered intelligence assets. Atop each page was the designation "Top Secret." On page 14 of that list is Osama bin Laden. The Iraqi Intelligence document reports that bin Laden "is in good relationship with our section in Syria." The document has been vetted and authenticated by the Defense Intelligence Agency. The existence of the document was first reported on CBS's 60 Minutes. It has been widely ignored.

* Saddam Hussein hosted regular conferences for terrorists in Baghdad throughout the 1990s. Mark Fineman, a reporter for the Los Angeles Times, reported on one such gathering in an article published January 26, 1993. "There are delegates from the most committed Islamic organizations on Earth," he wrote. "Afghan mujahideen (holy warriors), Palestinian militants, Sudanese fundamentalists, the Islamic Brotherhood and Pakistan's Party of Islam." One speaker praised "the mujahid Saddam Hussein, who is leading this nation against the nonbelievers. Everyone has a task to do, which is to go against the American state."


* Abdul Rahman Yasin is an Iraqi who mixed the chemicals for the bomb used in the first World Trade Center attack on February 26, 1993. We know this because he has confessed--twice to the FBI and once on national television in the United States. He fled to Iraq on March 5,1993, with the help of an Iraqi Intelligence operative working under cover in the Iraqi Embassy in Amman, Jordan. A reporter for Newsweek interviewed Yasin's neighbors in Baghdad who reported that he was living freely and "working for the government." U.S. soldiers uncovered Iraqi government documents in postwar Iraq that confirm this. The documents show Yasin was given both safe haven and financing by the Iraqi regime until the eve of the war in Iraq.

* Later that same month--March 1993--Wali al Ghazali was approached by an Iraqi Intelligence officer named Abdel Hussein. Ghazali, a male nurse from Najaf, met another IIS agent named Abu Mrouwah who gave him an urgent mission: assassinate former President George H.W. Bush on his upcoming trip to Kuwait. On April 14, Kuwaiti police found Ghazali and other Iraqi Intelligence assets with two hundred pounds of explosives in a Toyota Landcruiser. Ghazali, the would-be assassin, told a Kuwait court that he had "been pushed by people who had no mercy." He said: "I fear the Iraqi regime, the Iraqi regime pushed me."

* According to numerous press reports, the deputy director of Iraqi Intelligence, Faruq Hijazi, met face-to-face with Osama bin Laden in 1994. Bin Laden asked for anti-ship mines and al Qaeda training camps in Iraq. There is no indication that Iraq made good on his requests.

* That same year, according to internal Iraqi Intelligence documents authenticated by the U.S. intelligence community and reported in the June 25, 2004, New York Times, a Sudanese government official met with Uday Hussein and the director of Iraqi Intelligence to facilitate the relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda.

* According to the New York Times, the same Iraqi Intelligence document said that bin Laden earlier "had some reservations about being labeled an Iraqi operative" and that "presidential approval" had been granted to the Iraqi Intelligence service to meet with him. Bin Laden "also requested join operations against foreign forces" in Saudi Arabia. At bin Laden's request, Saddam Hussein also agreed to broadcast on Iraqi television sermons of an anti-Saudi cleric.

* The Clinton administration cited an "understanding" between Iraq and al Qaeda in its 1998 indictment of Osama bin Laden. "Al Qaeda reached an understanding with the government of Iraq that al Qaeda would not work against that government and that on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al Qaeda would work cooperatively with the Government of Iraq."

* The 9/11 Commission reports that Iraq and al Qaeda had a series of "friendly contacts" that did not appear to have developed into a "collaborative operations relationship." The final report provides details of meetings between senior Iraqi Intelligence officials and al Qaeda terrorists throughout the spring and summer of 1998 and indicates that "Iraqi official offered bin Laden a safe haven in Iraq."

* The offer of asylum was also included in the Senate Intelligence Committee's unanimous, bipartisan review of prewar intelligence. From p. 335 of the Senate report: "A [CIA Counterterrorism Center] operational summary from April 13, 1999, notes four other intelligence reports mentioning Saddam Hussein's "standing offer of safe haven to Osama bin Laden."

* This, from p. 316 of the Senate Intelligence Committee report: "From 1996 to 2003, the [Iraqi Intelligence Service] focused its terrorist activities on western interests, particularly against the U.S. and Israel. The CIA summarized nearly 50 intelligence reports as examples, using language directly from the intelligence reports. Ten intelligence reports, from multiple sources, indicated IIS 'casing' operations against Radio Free Europe and Radio Liberty in Prague began in 1998 and continued into early 2003. The CIA assessed, based on the Prague casings and a variety of other reporting, that throughout 2002 the IIS was becoming increasingly aggressive in planning attacks against U.S. interests."

* Page 331 of the Senate report: "Twelve reports received [redacted] from sources that the CIA described as having varying reliability, cited Iraq or Iraqi national involvement in al Qaeda's CBW [chemical and biological weapons] efforts."

* Abu Musab al Zarqawi traveled to Iraq in May 2002. He lived in Baghdad with the knowledge--and perhaps sponsorship--of the Iraqi regime. A passage from p. 337 of the Senate Intelligence Committee report cites a CIA report called Iraqi Support for Terrorism: "A variety of reporting indicates that senior al Qaeda terrorist planner al Zarqawi was in Baghdad [redacted]. A foreign government service asserted that the IIS knew where al Zarqawi was located despite Baghdad's claims it could not find him." More, from p. 338: "Al Zarqawi and his network were operating both in Baghdad and in the Kurdish-controlled region of Iraq. The HUMINT reporting indicated that the Iraqi regime certainly knew that al Zarqawi was in Baghdad because a foreign government service gave that information to Iraq."

* More recently, Hudayfa Azzam, the son of bin Laden's longtime mentor Abdullah Azzam, told Agence France Presse that the Iraqi regime worked closely with al Qaeda in Iraq before the war. "Saddam Hussein's regime welcomed them with open arms and young al Qaeda members entered Iraq in large numbers, setting up an organization to confront the occupation," he said in an interview published August 29, 2004. Azzam added that al Qaeda fighters "infiltrated into Iraq with the help of Kurdish mujahideen from Afghanistan, across mountains in Iran" and that once they arrived, Saddam "strictly and directly" controlled their activities.

Does John Kerry truly believe that "Iraq and terrorism had nothing to do with one another?" Good question.

Does Jim Lehrer read THE DAILY STANDARD?


Stephen F. Hayes is a staff writer at The Weekly Standard and author of The Connection: How al Qaeda's Collaboration with Saddam Hussein has Endangered America.

switz
Jan 9th, 2005, 11:22 PM
I admire people who don't hold party loyalties but view the respective party manifestations and then proceed to vote. I believe we have to keep an open mind about politics and accept that every administration has pros and cons but should not stereotype these particular parties because party principles change like the wind.

Take for example the Republican party, who in the 19th Century, sought to equalise opportunities for blacks and, despite their rumoured intentions, were the party that abolished slavery in the U.S.A. whether anyone likes it or not.

In a nutshell, the tallest people are those with an informed opinion and without a pre-determined bias towards a particular party.

yes that's right. that's reason Calimero377 is such a great poster :worship: he so open to different points of view.

Calimero377
Jan 9th, 2005, 11:35 PM
yes that's right. that's reason Calimero377 is such a great poster :worship: he so open to different points of view.


That's true.
But I'm not open to the POVs that Navi was greater than Graf and that the world would be better off if Saddam would still be in office.

switz
Jan 9th, 2005, 11:42 PM
That's true.
But I'm not open to the POVs that Navi was greater than Graf and that the world would be better off if Saddam would still be in office.

um...but that's all you ever talk about so you're not open to anything. actually you do spend a lot of time putting the letter 'o' n the words - "dumbo", "retardo", "luxemdumbo" - you're quite the wordsmith.

Virginia Wade
Jan 9th, 2005, 11:42 PM
One has always been brought up to support the whigs.

bracey
Jan 9th, 2005, 11:55 PM
One has always been brought up to support the whigs.

Earl Grey, can't go wrong with him.

Virginia Wade
Jan 10th, 2005, 12:15 AM
Earl Grey, can't go wrong with him.
Earl Gay surely...

bracey
Jan 10th, 2005, 12:35 AM
Earl Gay surely...

No comment :)

jojoseph
Jan 10th, 2005, 07:45 AM
THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION argues that the Iraq war was the central front in the war on terror.

Wow, now if Bush only would have went after Bin Laden where he allegedly really was(Afghanistan), instead of where he had been in years past.

Talk about falling asleep on the job. If anything of what that guy has posted is true, then that means the entire bipartisan 9/11 committee purposely decided to pull a Warren Commission. But, who would that benefit? Only Bush.

fifiricci
Jan 10th, 2005, 11:11 AM
I think for anyone from Europe to be lecturing Americans on human rights is ridiculous. I learned everything I needed to know about European human rights when, in my childhood, my father took me to Dachau and to where my grandfather served as a war crimes judge.
I think this post should be voted "most moronic post in the world, ever!"

Yoo hoo, dearie, that was the 1940s, this is the 21st century. We've moved on a bit in lil old Europe now!:lol:

Denise4925
Jan 10th, 2005, 05:21 PM
Lol, I laughed so hard when I read this. All you did was irrationally babble about things that hadn't even been said. Thanks for adding validity to our statement, "republicans are stupid".
:lol: :lol: :lol: I thought the same thing.

Denise4925
Jan 10th, 2005, 05:22 PM
Republicans arent stupid - at least not at the upper level, they are a well oiled machine and know how to keep the country in just enough fear to be able to control them while getting away with blatant corruption under the guise of government, vast conflicts of interests and unashamedly waging an unnecescery war and failing in the real war on terror - and at the same time retaining power.

They are a well oiled machine. An evil well oiled machine.

Martina Navratilova is a passionate Democrat, and I love every comment she makes on politics - definitely more well informed than your average tennis player. Pam Shriver is a passionate republican.
:worship: :worship: :worship:

Chrissie-fan
Jan 10th, 2005, 07:15 PM
"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked,and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country." (Herman Goering during the Nuremberg trials) :smoke:

Republicans arent stupid - at least not at the upper level, they are a well oiled machine and know how to keep the country in just enough fear to be able to control them while getting away with blatant corruption under the guise of government, vast conflicts of interests and unashamedly waging an unnecescery war and failing in the real war on terror - and at the same time retaining power.

Philbo
Jan 10th, 2005, 10:08 PM
"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked,and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country." (Herman Goering during the Nuremberg trials) :smoke:
Wow, that quote rocked me..Perfect!

Calimero377
Jan 10th, 2005, 11:12 PM
Wow, now if Bush only would have went after Bin Laden where he allegedly really was(Afghanistan), instead of where he had been in years past.

Talk about falling asleep on the job. If anything of what that guy has posted is true, then that means the entire bipartisan 9/11 committee purposely decided to pull a Warren Commission. But, who would that benefit? Only Bush.


Wow, who do you think killed JFK?
Hoover, LBJ or the CIA?
:lol:

Calimero377
Jan 10th, 2005, 11:15 PM
I think this post should be voted "most moronic post in the world, ever!"

Yoo hoo, dearie, that was the 1940s, this is the 21st century. We've moved on a bit in lil old Europe now!:lol:


In which way?
We still need the U.S. to stop dictators committing genocide (Kosovo).

A'DAM
Jan 10th, 2005, 11:18 PM
which players do u think are republicans or democrats. i hope all of them are democrats even though some are not

End who gives a shit about it :o :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Calimero377
Jan 10th, 2005, 11:18 PM
"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked,and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country." (Herman Goering during the Nuremberg trials) :smoke:


Goering was a murderer. And even a liar.

Calimero377
Jan 10th, 2005, 11:21 PM
Wow, that quote rocked me..Perfect!


I'm not the least surprised that you are impressed by Göring. What else should we expect from a poster who would prefer that Saddam still had his job?

Chrissie-fan
Jan 11th, 2005, 12:21 AM
My answer to that is so obvious that I won't even write it down :devil: . Besides,what does it matter? Your guy is in office for another four years,so I'm sure that you will be able to enjoy seeing him make the world a "safer place" plenty of times. :smoke:
Goering was a murderer. And even a liar.

wta_zuperfann
Jan 11th, 2005, 03:03 AM
"If you want to live like a Republican, vote Democrat" :)


- - - Harry S Truman

wta_zuperfann
Jan 11th, 2005, 03:06 AM
Your guy is in office for another four years,so I'm sure that you will be able to enjoy seeing him make the world a "safer place" plenty of times.






http://www.bushisantichrist.com :devil:

T-T
Jan 11th, 2005, 03:12 AM
Of course, that dirty communist L.H. Oswald killed JFK. Just like that dirty terrorist O.B. Laden attacked America. The fact that they both worked as US government assets during their careers is sheer coincidence!

Nothing to worry about, keep watching Fox News and you'll be fine.

Philbo
Jan 11th, 2005, 08:42 AM
I'm not the least surprised that you are impressed by Göring. What else should we expect from a poster who would prefer that Saddam still had his job?
Seeing as English is your 2nd language and you struggle horribly with grasping it, the point of my previous post was that it was a perfect quote to describe what Bush has done to keep control - you're his biggest fan so its YOU who is 'impressed' by Goring. Need it spoon-fed any more?

I realise that the nuances of english are lost on you.. YOu might actually make a decent poster in german, seeing as you have a basic grasp of that language - all you'd need do is change just about everything about who you are..:lol: :lol:

Calimero377
Jan 11th, 2005, 08:53 PM
Of course, that dirty communist L.H. Oswald killed JFK. Just like that dirty terrorist O.B. Laden attacked America. The fact that they both worked as US government assets during their careers is sheer coincidence!

Nothing to worry about, keep watching Fox News and you'll be fine.



Oswald, a former marine ("US government asset"! :lol: ), was a psychopath. He was no communist but he killed JFK. The proof is overwhelming. And he did it alone. No conspiracy theory holds any water. That's a no-brainer.

OBL never worked for the US government. And he attacked the U.S. He admitted it.

Calimero377
Jan 11th, 2005, 09:02 PM
Seeing as English is your 2nd language and you struggle horribly with grasping it, the point of my previous post was that it was a perfect quote to describe what Bush has done to keep control - you're his biggest fan so its YOU who is 'impressed' by Goring. Need it spoon-fed any more?

I realise that the nuances of english are lost on you.. YOu might actually make a decent poster in german, seeing as you have a basic grasp of that language - all you'd need do is change just about everything about who you are..:lol: :lol:


Göring said a lot of mean things about Americans, Jews - and I'm sure - about Australians too. Should we believe him?

No, of course not.
If he had said the earth were a globe I would know that it is a disc ...


You believe him.
That speaks libraries.

Pengwin
Jan 11th, 2005, 09:04 PM
BTW Seles was greater than Graf, Calimero

alfajeffster
Jan 11th, 2005, 09:05 PM
This thread confuses me. It confuses me because (just like the U.S. Civil War) doesn't the same money fuel both sides of the aisle?

Calimero377
Jan 11th, 2005, 09:43 PM
BTW Seles was greater than Graf, Calimero


If you think that 9-22 slams, 0-7 Wimbledons, 3-6 FOs, 2-5 USOs, 2-8 year end #1s, 5-10 H2H makes you better than your opponent!

Those are the laws of the Selesian paralle universe?
Come and tell us about it ....


:lol:

Pengwin
Jan 11th, 2005, 10:08 PM
Since she rocked the world as a teenager and dislodged Graf from the top spot, her story of hardship earns her a place in history as a braver and more courageous athelete and thus a greater player. Without the stabbing she would have certainly overtaken Graf's grand-slam count.

lakeway11
Jan 11th, 2005, 10:16 PM
Oswald, a former marine ("US government asset"! :lol: ), was a psychopath. He was no communist but he killed JFK. The proof is overwhelming. And he did it alone. No conspiracy theory holds any water. That's a no-brainer.

OBL never worked for the US government. And he attacked the U.S. He admitted it.

wrong on both counts...Oswald was a patsy & OBL was a CIA agent

Justeenium
Jan 11th, 2005, 10:23 PM
Of course, that dirty communist L.H. Oswald killed JFK. Just like that dirty terrorist O.B. Laden attacked America. The fact that they both worked as US government assets during their careers is sheer coincidence!

Nothing to worry about, keep watching Fox News and you'll be fine.

Yet another stupid Belgian. I'm beginning to wonder the reason behind that countries stupidity. Occasionally rand rises above the rest, but even he is too dumb to take seriously.

lakeway11
Jan 11th, 2005, 10:29 PM
and I'm sure Hingis is a Republican ;)

lakeway11
Jan 11th, 2005, 10:31 PM
Wow, now if Bush only would have went after Bin Laden where he allegedly really was(Afghanistan), instead of where he had been in years past.

yeah and if only Clinton would of took the bastard out when he had the chance (and had one did he)

Philbo
Jan 11th, 2005, 10:36 PM
Göring said a lot of mean things about Americans, Jews - and I'm sure - about Australians too. Should we believe him?

No, of course not.
If he had said the earth were a globe I would know that it is a disc ...


You believe him.
That speaks libraries.
Learn to comprehend english loser

Until then, stick to a german messageboard.

Pengwin
Jan 11th, 2005, 10:39 PM
No, of course not.
If he had said the earth were a globe I would know that it is a disc ...

I am British and I don't understand a word of that.

Calimero377
Jan 11th, 2005, 10:45 PM
Since she rocked the world as a teenager and dislodged Graf from the top spot, her story of hardship earns her a place in history as a braver and more courageous athelete and thus a greater player. Without the stabbing she would have certainly overtaken Graf's grand-slam count.


What makes you think so?
Her 3 losses in 5 matches as #1 against a slumping Graf in 91/93?
Or her 5-10 H2H against Graf?
Her advancing further than quarters in Wimbledon exactly one?
Ot her winning 1 slam in 10 years (1995-2004)?

switz
Jan 11th, 2005, 10:46 PM
stop being mean to calimero. he has a disease.

Calimero377
Jan 11th, 2005, 10:47 PM
wrong on both counts...Oswald was a patsy & OBL was a CIA agent


And Dubya & Dick Cheney planted the explosives in the WTC ....

Calimero377
Jan 11th, 2005, 10:49 PM
Learn to comprehend english loser

Until then, stick to a german messageboard.


Why should I try to understand an English loser?
BTW, I thought you were Australian ...

switz
Jan 11th, 2005, 10:51 PM
What makes you think so?
Her 3 losses in 5 matches as #1 against a slumping Graf in 91/93?
Or her 5-10 H2H against Graf?
Her advancing further than quarters in Wimbledon exactly one?
Ot her winning 1 slam in 10 years (1995-2004)?

don't be arrogant steffi.

Calimero377
Jan 11th, 2005, 10:52 PM
stop being mean to calimero. he has a disease.


Dumbophobia ...

switz
Jan 11th, 2005, 10:53 PM
Why should I try to understand an English loser?
BTW, I thought you were Australian ...

yes australian's speak english steffi. you learn something new every day even at your age.

Calimero377
Jan 11th, 2005, 10:56 PM
yes australian's speak english steffi. you learn something new every day even at your age.


OK, but why should I try to understand an Australian English-speaking loser?
:confused:

Denise4925
Jan 11th, 2005, 10:57 PM
I am British and I don't understand a word of that.
:lol: I thought I was the only one. :lol:

switz
Jan 11th, 2005, 10:57 PM
Dumbophobia ...

uh oh someone's a little grumpy puss. did steffi forget to suckle you this morning?

Pengwin
Jan 11th, 2005, 10:57 PM
OK, but why should I try to understand an Australian English-speaking loser?

Trust me, Australians speak English better than Germans...

Denise4925
Jan 11th, 2005, 11:01 PM
And Dubya & Dick Cheney planted the explosives in the WTC ....
Not personally.

Calimero377
Jan 11th, 2005, 11:01 PM
Trust me, Australians speak English better than Germans...


I'll weep into my pillow tonight ...
:sad:

switz
Jan 11th, 2005, 11:02 PM
Trust me, Australians speak English better than Germans...

is he even german?? he's passionate about the republican party, criticises german people's political intelligence, and is so annoying that he must be american.

but he's such a little cutey patuty that i just can't stay made at him. yes you are, yes you are, your the cutest little nut case i've ever seen.

Denise4925
Jan 11th, 2005, 11:03 PM
is so annoying that he must be american.


I have to take issue with this part. You must mean Brittish. :p

Calimero377
Jan 11th, 2005, 11:03 PM
Not personally.


A conspiracy?
With 263 participants?
Comparable to the great JFK murder conspiracy?
Hey, wait they had even 416 persons in that one ...

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Pengwin
Jan 11th, 2005, 11:04 PM
I have to take issue with this part. You must mean Brittish. :p

No he obviously means American :p

Denise4925
Jan 11th, 2005, 11:05 PM
A conspiracy?
With 263 participants?
Comparable to the great JFK murder conspiracy?
Hey, wait they had even 416 persons in that one ...

:lol: :lol: :lol:
You're pathetically uninformed and brainwashed. No one should even bother to educate you, because you are beyond help. I pity you. :sad:

Denise4925
Jan 11th, 2005, 11:05 PM
No he obviously means American :p
:lol:
No, he must mean Swiss. ;)

switz
Jan 11th, 2005, 11:06 PM
I'll weep into my pillow tonight ...
:sad:

allow not superlatives deter you from your salient purpose. rush forth from whence you came, so thy suckling breast may cause no onomatapoeiaical reverence.

Denise4925
Jan 11th, 2005, 11:06 PM
allow not superlatives deter you from your salient purpose. rush forth from whence you came, so thy suckling breast may cause no onomatapoeiaical reverence.
:lol:

switz
Jan 11th, 2005, 11:09 PM
I have to take issue with this part. You must mean Brittish. :p

i would never say "americans are annoying" - because that is just moronic. i simply meant the fox news types are annoying. of course they probably find us more annoying.

Justeenium
Jan 11th, 2005, 11:10 PM
Not personally.
sigh, what a pathetic tool, go kill yourself now before you do any more harm to the gene pool than you may already have done.
:retard: :retard: :retard:

Calimero377
Jan 11th, 2005, 11:12 PM
You're pathetically uninformed and brainwashed. No one should even bother to educate you, because you are beyond help. I pity you. :sad:


Come on, Blondie, tell me - how did the Dubya administration manage to blow up the WTC? And what did they do with all those plane passengers?

Hey wait, they hold them all prisoner in secret government buildings, no?
Together with Elvis!

:lol: :lol: :lol:
:kiss:

Calimero377
Jan 11th, 2005, 11:13 PM
i would never say "americans are annoying" - because that is just moronic. i simply meant the fox news types are annoying. of course they probably find us more annoying.


No, they ignore you. Because they rule America.

switz
Jan 11th, 2005, 11:14 PM
sigh, what a pathetic tool, go kill yourself now before you do any more harm to the gene pool than you may already have done.
:retard: :retard: :retard:

i know it must be hard for you to live with the fact that calimero is both your father and your brother but i still don't think that justifies being so rude.

switz
Jan 11th, 2005, 11:16 PM
No, they ignore you. Because they rule America.

duh. ruppert knows how to feed you simpletons. he's a very smart aussie.

Justeenium
Jan 11th, 2005, 11:17 PM
i know it must be hard for you to live with the fact that calimero is both your father and your brother but i still don't think that justifies being so rude.

wow such a witty comeback I honestly couldn't stop laughing :rolleyes:

switz
Jan 11th, 2005, 11:18 PM
wow such a witty comeback I honestly couldn't stop laughing :rolleyes:

i wouldn't laugh either. you're quite disgusting.

Denise4925
Jan 11th, 2005, 11:18 PM
sigh, what a pathetic tool, go kill yourself now before you do any more harm to the gene pool than you may already have done.
:retard: :retard: :retard:
:rolleyes: Whatever.

Denise4925
Jan 11th, 2005, 11:20 PM
Come on, Blondie, tell me - how did the Dubya administration manage to blow up the WTC? And what did they do with all those plane passengers?

Hey wait, they hold them all prisoner in secret government buildings, no?
Together with Elvis!

:lol: :lol: :lol:
:kiss:
No, they are all dead and how dare you make fun of such a tragedy. You must be an idiot. Do you honestly think Bush and his administration are not capable of collusion and murder?

Calimero377
Jan 11th, 2005, 11:24 PM
No, they are all dead and how dare you make fun of such a tragedy. You must be an idiot. Do you honestly think Bush and his administration are not capable of collusion and murder?


Retards like you are mocking the 9/11 victims and absolving OBL from his crimes.

Chrissie-fan
Jan 11th, 2005, 11:26 PM
Well,we are so cute that it doesn't really matter :devil: :smoke:
Yet another stupid Belgian. I'm beginning to wonder the reason behind that countries stupidity. Occasionally rand rises above the rest, but even he is too dumb to take seriously.

switz
Jan 11th, 2005, 11:46 PM
Well,we are so cute that it doesn't really matter :devil: :smoke:

yes your country is so stupid. next you'll be saying that you invented french fries :lol:

Denise4925
Jan 11th, 2005, 11:48 PM
Retards like you are mocking the 9/11 victims and absolving OBL from his crimes.
I never said Osama didn't have anything to do with it. I inferred that Bush and some of his administration had something to do with it. No way am I mocking the victims of 9/11. I'm just keeping my eyes open and refusing to be brainwashed. You might want to try it. It's very enlightening. Are you aware of the ties between the bin Laden's and the Bush family?

Philbo
Jan 12th, 2005, 12:18 AM
I never said Osama didn't have anything to do with it. I inferred that Bush and some of his administration had something to do with it. No way am I mocking the victims of 9/11. I'm just keeping my eyes open and refusing to be brainwashed. You might want to try it. It's very enlightening. Are you aware of the ties between the bin Laden's and the Bush family?
Or course he isnt.. He still thinks Saddam and Al Qaeuda planned the whole thing!

A perfect reublican puppet/tool = Calimero + Justineineum

Chrissie-fan
Jan 12th, 2005, 12:24 AM
Me? Inventing french fries? No that was some other guy. I'm the one that invented chocolate :smoke:
yes your country is so stupid. next you'll be saying that you invented french fries :lol:

Justeenium
Jan 12th, 2005, 01:41 AM
Or course he isnt.. He still thinks Saddam and Al Qaeuda planned the whole thing!

A perfect reublican puppet/tool = Calimero + Justineineum

coming from Non-tennis's resident moron. go claim the west bank barrier is like the berlin wall again you ignorant twat.

Philbo
Jan 12th, 2005, 01:43 AM
coming from Non-tennis's resident moron. go claim the west bank barrier is like the berlin wall again you ignorant twat.
I proved my claim on that you Zionist fuckwit.

Justeenium
Jan 12th, 2005, 01:46 AM
I proved my claim on that you Zionist fuckwit.
no you didn't you imbecile, i posted a source refuting your claim and then you simply gave a source saying that Israel better rethink its decision or risk sanctions, proving nothing.

wta_zuperfann
Jan 12th, 2005, 03:14 AM
And Dubya & Dick Cheney planted the explosives in the WTC ....


There are a couple of web sites that deal with tower # 7 and how it imploded. Strange how it was not even touched by either plane on 9/11, did not catch fire, yet collapsed like an imploded stadium or hotel.


Conspiracy?

I'm convinced.

Philbo
Jan 12th, 2005, 03:19 AM
no you didn't you imbecile, i posted a source refuting your claim and then you simply gave a source saying that Israel better rethink its decision or risk sanctions, proving nothing.
Why would Israel be at risk of sanctions? because the international community condemms the wall as inhumane and unwarranted persecution of palestinians. Its not about preventing suicide bombers, its about making life hard for the palestininan people.

I'd take the opinion of the UNited Nations over a far-right conservative ASS-WIPE such as yourself you waste of oxygen.

Now kindly fuck off you half-breed.

switz
Jan 12th, 2005, 03:25 AM
are there not moderators on this board anymore?? the references to tennis players stopped halfway down page 1.

Justeenium
Jan 12th, 2005, 03:30 AM
Why would Israel be at risk of sanctions? because the international community condemms the wall as inhumane and unwarranted persecution of palestinians. Its not about preventing suicide bombers, its about making life hard for the palestininan people.

I'd take the opinion of the UNited Nations over a far-right conservative ASS-WIPE such as yourself you waste of oxygen.

Now kindly fuck off you half-breed.

rofl, you're the biggest fucking tool on this forum.

btw here was my post and your lame reply

http://www.wtaworld.com/showpost.php?p=4461184&postcount=29
http://www.wtaworld.com/showpost.php?p=4461184&postcount=30

switz
Jan 12th, 2005, 03:33 AM
rofl, you're the biggest fucking tool on this forum.

btw here was my post and you're lame reply

http://www.wtaworld.com/showpost.php?p=4461184&postcount=29
http://www.wtaworld.com/showpost.php?p=4461184&postcount=30

moderator alert!! he swore!!ban him or do something to him. omg i just remember that ignore thing. bye slack jawed yockel.

Justeenium
Jan 12th, 2005, 03:35 AM
moderator alert!! he swore!!ban him or do something to him. omg i just remember that ignore thing. bye slack jawed yockel.
yet you ignore Czechfan's profanity in his last post.

switz
Jan 12th, 2005, 03:39 AM
yet you ignore Czechfan's profanity in his last post.

i don't read his posts either. you both are too intense for me. the only difference is that i agree with him in principal on more issues and he isn't always an opinionated arsehole.

Justeenium
Jan 12th, 2005, 03:53 AM
i don't read his posts either. you both are too intense for me. the only difference is that i agree with him in principal on more issues and he isn't always an opinionated arsehole.
ignorant foreign trash like him are always acting like they are smarter than americans so why should I be nice to him when not only is he ignorant and stupid, he is also rude.

Philbo
Jan 12th, 2005, 05:03 AM
ignorant foreign trash like him are always acting like they are smarter than americans so why should I be nice to him when not only is he ignorant and stupid, he is also rude.
Wow, you quoted a piece fo writing wtihout writing down the source it came from..Really damming evidence.. Hard to argue with..

Igorant foreign trash? using the word ignorant is pretty funny considering you vote republican, you poor misguided fool of a redneck..

here it is again, just to annoy you fucktard..

Israel Worried of Sanctions due to its Apartheid Wall



GAZA, August 21, 2004 (IPC + Agencies) - -

The Israeli Attorney General, Mini Mazzouz, presented a report on Thursday to the Israeli government, in which he recommended that the government should not underestimate the ruling of the International Court of Justice (ICJ) about the Apartheid Wall, otherwise it might face sanctions.



The ICJ asserted that the wall, being built by Israel in and through the West Bank, is illegal under international law, and should be torn down, and the Palestinians affected by it be compensated.



The report presented by Mazzouz, which was prepared by a team of specialists, mentioned that "it is hard to exaggerate about the dangerous ramifications of the ruling of The Hague Court, but it could lead to the imposition of sanctions on Israel."



Mazzouz recommended dispatching official spokespersons for Israel abroad to say that Israel "agrees" to the ICJ ruling "despite handling only one side of the issue."



In the first Israeli reference to the international court's decision, head of the Israeli Supreme Court, Judge Aaron Barak, said on Thursday that "Israel will not be able to ignore the ICJ ruling concerning the separation fence, and it must give an explanation to its construction."



Barak's remarks came during a court session held to look into three motions concerning the route of the Apartheid Wall through the lands of Shaqba Village, northwest of Ramallah City, as well as the Wall's route in Al Ram suburb in the occupied East Jerusalem and the city of Beit Jala.



Mohammed Dahleh, one of the attorneys who submitted these motions, said that the decision by Judge Barak was the most important one issued by the Supreme Court with regards to the Apartheid Wall, adding that "the court bound the Israeli District Attorney's Office to The Hague ruling based on the motions we submitted."



However, Dahleh noted that the Israeli judge referred only to the route of the wall in the West Bank, not in Jerusalem, pointing out that the ICJ considers East Jerusalem as occupied territory but the Israeli Supreme Court doesn't consider it as so, based on the "Jerusalem Unification" law.



The Israeli authorities and its judicial system have – until today – completely ignored the ICJ ruling and subsequent UN resolution that adopted it. The Israeli Minister of Justice, Yosef "Tommy" Lapid, declared following the issuance of the ruling that Israel rejects any decision from the court at The Hague and would not carry it out.



According to the Supreme Court's decision, the Israeli government must respond to Dahleh's motion concerning the route of the wall through Shaqba Village within three days, through the District Attorney. The decision also added that it must refer to the ICJ ruling concerning that.



The people of Shaqba, in the motion, said that the Apartheid Wall would keep 750 dunums of their lands behind it, de facto annexing them to the Israeli side. The villagers asserted that these lands are planted with olive and fig trees, and that these crops are their sole source of livelihood.



At the international level, several world bodies and governments declared their rejection of the continued Israeli construction of the Apartheid Wall, as well as the ongoing expansion of illegal Israeli settlements.



International news agencies reported that the developing countries have declared that they would boycott all products of the Israeli settlements, and that they are considering to impose sanctions on the companies that import these products or the companies that contribute to constructing the Apartheid Wall.



Also, the foreign ministers of the non-aligned countries demanded in their closing statement the UN Security Council to impose sanctions on Israel and to take necessary steps to ensure it ceases the construction of the Wall.



The movement of non-aligned countries, which include 115 members, called the Security Council to assess the damages caused by the 600-kilometer-long Wall, and to force Israel to compensate for these damages to the Palestinian side.



The Permanent Observer of Palestine to the UN, Dr. Nasser Al Kidwa, said he was pleased with the position of the non-aligned countries, adding that Israel has "virtually colonized the Palestinian people."

Justeenium
Jan 12th, 2005, 05:05 AM
boy czechfan, having a conversation with you is like talking to a vegetable, read what I had posted and then read your article. My information is written in response to yours, hence refuting it. You need to try and find something that refutes what I said.

you are a sad sad individual. It's a pity that your mind is so warped that you think you're smarter than americans. you should see a doctor.

Philbo
Jan 12th, 2005, 05:09 AM
BTW - You started the profanity by calling me a twat, and I can give it back with the best of them.

Now as I said earlier, kindly go fuck yourself. Its the only shag you'll ever get.

Philbo
Jan 12th, 2005, 05:21 AM
boy czechfan, having a conversation with you is like talking to a vegetable, read what I had posted and then read your article. My information is written in response to yours, hence refuting it. You need to try and find something that refutes what I said.

you are a sad sad individual. It's a pity that your mind is so warped that you think you're smarter than americans. you should see a doctor.
You think because you post something that refutes it, that that proves anything??

Fucking wake up mate - you didnt even quote a source.. Who wrote your piece? A friend? YOU??

LOl@ being lectured on having a conversation by you.. Post your link to where your info came from, THEN I might be bothered wasting another 30 seconds onf inding something to refute it, until then, keep tugging on it ass-wipe!!:lol:

switz
Jan 12th, 2005, 05:28 AM
ignorant foreign trash like him are always acting like they are smarter than americans.

i don't care if your nice to him. i just want you (both) to shut up and stop having the same argument you have probably already about 10 times. what's the bloody point. you're obviously both firey characters who are never going to reach a common ground so what's the point of wasting your lives talking to each other? go outside czechfan and be thankful your not an fucking prick like justeenium and go outside justeenium and be thankful that you're not "foreign trash" like czechfan. you both have so much to be thankful for.

great thread!

Philbo
Jan 12th, 2005, 05:34 AM
Switz - if it annoys you so much stop visiting the thread. Simple solution.

BTW Justineium - Here is some more shit to disprove your "DAMMING" israeli govt spiel..

Amnesty International believes that the construction by Israel of the fence/wall inside the Occupied Territories violates international law and is contributing to grave human rights violations.
According to the Israeli authorities the fence/wall is "a defensive measure, designed to block the passage of terrorists, weapons and explosives into the State of Israel...."


However, most of the fence/wall is not being constructed on the Green Line between Israel and the West Bank. Close to 90% of the route of the fence/wall is on Palestinian land inside the West Bank, encircling Palestinian towns and villages and cutting off communities and families from each other, separating farmers from their land and Palestinians from their places of work and education and health care facilities and other essential services.

Israel's legitimate need to secure its borders and prevent access to people who may constitute a threat to its security do not justify the building of such a fence/wall inside the Occupied Territories. Security measures, including the building of a wall/fence, could be taken on Israeli territory on the Green Line, where mechanisms to control entry of outsiders could also be strengthened if deemed necessary.

Any measure Israel undertakes in the Occupied Territories in the name of security must comply with its obligations under international law. The building of this fence/wall mostly inside the Occupied Territories does not benefit in any way the Palestinian population living under Israeli occupation in the West Bank.

On the contrary, it has severely negative consequences for hundreds of thousands of Palestinians, notably unprecedented disproportionate and discriminatory restrictions on their movements within the Occupied Territories and other violations of their fundamental rights, including the right to work, to food, to medical care, to education and to an adequate standard of living.

The fence/wall encompasses more than 50 Israeli civilian settlements in the Occupied Territories, in which the majority of Israeli settlers live and which are illegal under international law. The security exceptions in international humanitarian law cannot be invoked to justify measures that benefit unlawful civilian Israeli settlements at the expense of the occupied Palestinian population.

The construction of the fence/wall inside the Occupied Territories is such a measure and in its present configuration violates Israel's obligations under international humanitarian law.

Justeenium
Jan 12th, 2005, 05:36 AM
You think because you post something that refutes it, that that proves anything??

Fucking wake up mate - you didnt even quote a source.. Who wrote your piece? A friend? YOU??

LOl@ being lectured on having a conversation by you.. Post your link to where your info came from, THEN I might be bothered wasting another 30 seconds onf inding something to refute it, until then, keep tugging on it ass-wipe!!:lol:
click on the link in the middle of the text, it leads you to the source, yes it is biased, which doesn't mean it is incorrect, but then people like you seem to deem things you don't like to hear as biased and just dismiss them.

Justeenium
Jan 12th, 2005, 05:36 AM
i don't care if your nice to him. i just want you (both) to shut up and stop having the same argument you have probably already about 10 times. what's the bloody point. you're obviously both firey characters who are never going to reach a common ground so what's the point of wasting your lives talking to each other? go outside czechfan and be thankful your not an fucking prick like justeenium and go outside justeenium and be thankful that you're not "foreign trash" like czechfan. you both have so much to be thankful for.

great thread!

have you been listening to Linkin Park by any chance?

jojoseph
Jan 12th, 2005, 05:40 AM
Wow, who do you think killed JFK?
Hoover, LBJ or the CIA?
:lol:
Neither. They were just in charge of covering it up.

Philbo
Jan 12th, 2005, 05:41 AM
click on the link in the middle of the text, it leads you to the source, yes it is biased, which doesn't mean it is incorrect, but then people like you seem to deem things you don't like to hear as biased and just dismiss them.
People like me dismiss things I dont like as bias? Of fuck me dead, that is the most hypocritical thing Ive ever read here.

My sources are centre-based newspapers..mainstream sources.

Your's is the jewish virtual library? Jesus I cannot believe you lectured me on my conversation skills when all you can do in the way of independant thought is go to a totally jewish website and post the first spiel you find that supports your already decided position.

I grew up SUPPORTING ISrael, it wasnt until I was old enough to think and read for myself that I saw through the propaganda and saw that the real victims are the Palestnians - as reprehensible as some of their tactics are, I understand their position moreso than the Israeli's.

You are just a simple zionist, admit it, dont be ashamed of who u are.

switz
Jan 12th, 2005, 05:47 AM
Switz - if it annoys you so much stop visiting the thread. Simple solution.
.[/b]

frankly it pisses me off to have to be reminded off all this crap every time i come in here because it's always at the top of page. i don't post in non-tennis about this shit because this is what it's always like. the simple solution would be to move it where it belongs - in non-tennis.

switz
Jan 12th, 2005, 05:48 AM
have you been listening to Linkin Park by any chance?

no i don't care for their whingy music. i just happen to not be a negative person.

Philbo
Jan 12th, 2005, 05:54 AM
frankly it pisses me off to have to be reminded off all this crap every time i come in here because it's always at the top of page. i don't post in non-tennis about this shit because this is what it's always like. the simple solution would be to move it where it belongs - in non-tennis.
id be happy to continue it in non-tennis, the direction it went in became non tennis.

But I really dont understand why, if you hate seeing it so much, you continue to enter the thread.. Whenever I get bored or annoyed with the direction a thread goes in, I just stop entering it...

Philbo
Jan 12th, 2005, 05:57 AM
"Although critics have sought to portray the security fence as a kind of "Berlin Wall," it is nothing of the sort. First, unlike the Berlin Wall, the fence does not separate one people, Germans from Germans, and deny freedom to those on one side. Israel's security fence separates two peoples, Israelis and Palestinians, and offers freedom and security for both"

or

"The Wall does not separate Palestinians from Israelis; rather it separates Palestinians from Palestinians. Since the Wall has been routed around Israeli colonies and their planned expansion, Palestinians are now caged into reservations separating Palestinians from one another. The Wall divides Palestinian farmers from their land, Palestinian students from their schools, Palestinian worshippers from their holy sites and Palestinian patients from their hospitals. At the same time, illegal Israeli settlers are granted free movement both within Occupied Palestinian Territory and in Israel.

fifiricci
Jan 12th, 2005, 01:35 PM
In which way?

That poster is moronic because s/he thinks that Europe's human rights situation is still that which prevailed in 1940s Nazi Germany :lol:. How can such ignorance prevail in a person who has allegedly travelled?

Let's turn their post around: I dont know how the US has the gall to lecture Western European when Guantanamo Bay is allowed to endure. Amnesty International's view is that that centre is representative of the USA placing itself above international law. So in principle that makes the USA no better than Nazi Germany, Saddam Hussein, etc.

Denise4925
Jan 12th, 2005, 08:17 PM
ignorant foreign trash like him are always acting like they are smarter than americans so why should I be nice to him when not only is he ignorant and stupid, he is also rude.
:rolleyes: Classic example of Bush's attitude about the rest of the world and why our country is NOW so hated. God be with us these next four years.

Calimero377
Jan 12th, 2005, 11:16 PM
That poster is moronic because s/he thinks that Europe's human rights situation is still that which prevailed in 1940s Nazi Germany :lol:. How can such ignorance prevail in a person who has allegedly travelled?

Let's turn their post around: I dont know how the US has the gall to lecture Western European when Guantanamo Bay is allowed to endure. Amnesty International's view is that that centre is representative of the USA placing itself above international law. So in principle that makes the USA no better than Nazi Germany, Saddam Hussein, etc.


Let's assume that AI is right (they often are mot on legal matters): If everybody who places himself above "international law" in principle is no better than Nazi Germany or Saddam then you most certainly agree to the idea that a thief who places himself above national criminal law principally is no better than a serial killer, no?

Hopefully, dumbos like you never will study law ...

:lol:

Calimero377
Jan 12th, 2005, 11:18 PM
Neither. They were just in charge of covering it up.


But who KILLED JFK then?
The umbrella man? Or those killer brigades from the grassy knoll?
Hey wait, it was Connally!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Calimero377
Jan 12th, 2005, 11:20 PM
People like me dismiss things I dont like as bias? Of fuck me dead, that is the most hypocritical thing Ive ever read here.

My sources are centre-based newspapers..mainstream sources.

Your's is the jewish virtual library? Jesus I cannot believe you lectured me on my conversation skills when all you can do in the way of independant thought is go to a totally jewish website and post the first spiel you find that supports your already decided position.

I grew up SUPPORTING ISrael, it wasnt until I was old enough to think and read for myself that I saw through the propaganda and saw that the real victims are the Palestnians - as reprehensible as some of their tactics are, I understand their position moreso than the Israeli's.

You are just a simple zionist, admit it, dont be ashamed of who u are.


"Reprehensible tactics" ....

Yes, Hitler had those against the Jews as well.

Calimero377
Jan 12th, 2005, 11:23 PM
:rolleyes: Classic example of Bush's attitude about the rest of the world and why our country is NOW so hated. God be with us these next four years.


"But it isn't these things that make my heart flutter: It's that he drives the people I hate the most nuts."
(Noemie Emery on George W. Bush)

:wavey:

jojoseph
Jan 13th, 2005, 12:32 AM
But who KILLED JFK then?
The umbrella man? Or those killer brigades from the grassy knoll?
Hey wait, it was Connally!

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Yes, the guy behind the picket fense dressed up in fake policeman attire. The only known picture of him showed the police badge silhouette with the flare of the gun going off at the exact same moment the picture was taken.

I'm sure you've seen the video...."back and to the left".

Denise4925
Jan 13th, 2005, 12:34 AM
"But it isn't these things that make my heart flutter: It's that he drives the people I hate the most nuts."
(Noemie Emery on George W. Bush)

:wavey:
Bush doesn't drive me nuts. I'm not the one brainwashed. I just have to wait it out.

Philbo
Jan 13th, 2005, 12:39 AM
Bush doesn't drive me nuts. I'm not the one brainwashed. I just have to wait it out.
:worship: :worship:

Philbo
Jan 13th, 2005, 09:53 PM
Justineium - BTW - Nice to see I kicked your ass on the Israeli wall topic.. Your silence is DEAFENING!! hahahahahaha

too bloody easy!