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T-T
Dec 8th, 2004, 10:10 PM
http://vrtnieuws.streampower.be/sport_master/tennis/hoofdpunten/041208_henin_praat/S_041208_Henin_mm-20041208-163536.jpg

Look at how small Justine is !

That's another reason why I respect her so much. She can beat all the bigger players on sheer skills alone.

moby
Dec 9th, 2004, 05:04 AM
well that's not true entirely
justine for all her small size, on top of having more variety, can overpower the bigger players
which is why i respect her even more, because she puts in so much hard work to improve herself, and she doesn't just rest on her laurels

Volcana
Dec 9th, 2004, 07:03 AM
Power is function of technique, and arm speed, not size. Henin-Hardenne hits harder than 99% of the tour, and runs faster than 99%. She more skilled than 99% of them too, but if you discount her power, you're blinding yourself to reality.

Henin-Hardenne without power is basically Anna Smashnova with a drop shot.

tennislover
Dec 9th, 2004, 11:40 AM
how about our giraffic Pam? :)

http://www.claytonartworks.com/HelloItem2-01.jpg

T-T
Dec 9th, 2004, 08:58 PM
Ok, the agreement here seems to be that size doesn't necessarily equal power.

But surely, size is an advantage to cover a certain distance. Where Venus will take three steps, Justine will have to take six.

WhatTheDeuce
Dec 9th, 2004, 09:08 PM
Power is function of technique, and arm speed, not size. Henin-Hardenne hits harder than 99% of the tour, and runs faster than 99%. She more skilled than 99% of them too, but if you discount her power, you're blinding yourself to reality.

Henin-Hardenne without power is basically Anna Smashnova with a drop shot.
Being big can make your shots have more pace as well, but yes, it is mostly technique and shoulder rotation that will give you alot of pop... Justine hits hard and she's petite, which makes you wonder how much harder she could if she was a big girl :p

tennnisfannn
Dec 10th, 2004, 12:12 AM
Ok, the agreement here seems to be that size doesn't necessarily equal power.

But surely, size is an advantage to cover a certain distance. Where Venus will take three steps, Justine will have to take six.Not true, height can be a disadvantage, Justine can move so much more easily than Lindsay. maria and daniela are a little slower than thye could be if they weren't as tall. Venus is uniquely talented coz for one so tall she moves very well. The speediest players tend to be the smashnovas, coetzers etc.
Just look at the men's tour, the hewiits move better and so the tall players are forced to try and finish the points quickly coz they would be severely disadvantaged in a rally. On grass it is even tougher on the tall players coz they are forced to bend so slow, Just ask safin.
Justine is talented period. She isn't successful coz she is small and neither are the tall girls successful coz they are tall.

Greenout
Dec 10th, 2004, 12:51 AM
I think it's talent. Being short or being tall doesn't make you a better
or worse tennis player. If it was the case the tour would have a
majority of very, very tall players or very very short players. It's
a mix of using your own assets.

Stil, the height difference between JHH and Maria, LD and Venus is
quite amusing. ;)

How's the air up there Maria?
http://www.covadis.be/wtt5/photos/joueuses/images/WTT%20HENIN%20043.jpg


Lindsay can you reach the top of the Christmas tree for me?
http://www.justine-henin-hardenne.net/images/aus03_57.jpg

Hobbit size?
http://www.justine-henin-hardenne.net/images/antwerp02_48.jpg

sabandborg
Dec 10th, 2004, 03:54 AM
http://vrtnieuws.streampower.be/sport_master/tennis/hoofdpunten/041208_henin_praat/S_041208_Henin_mm-20041208-163536.jpg

Look at how small Justine is !

That's another reason why I respect her so much. She can beat all the bigger players on sheer skills alone.

She's got considerable skills and a totally cheating, lying mind. Formidable combo.

Alek
Dec 10th, 2004, 04:06 AM
Henin-Hardenne without power is basically Anna Smashnova with a drop shot.
:lol: :hearts:

moby
Dec 10th, 2004, 09:53 AM
Henin-Hardenne without power is basically Anna Smashnova with a drop shot.
i'm not so sure about that actually
i've not watched anna play, but i'll guess that she doesn't have great net skills going by the retriever stereotype
justine does, however

tennislover
Dec 10th, 2004, 12:33 PM
I think it's talent. Being short or being tall doesn't make you a better
or worse tennis player. If it was the case the tour would have a
majority of very, very tall players or very very short players. It's
a mix of using your own assets.

Stil, the height difference between JHH and Maria, LD and Venus is
quite amusing. ;)

How's the air up there Maria?
http://www.covadis.be/wtt5/photos/joueuses/images/WTT%20HENIN%20043.jpg


Lindsay can you reach the top of the Christmas tree for me?
http://www.justine-henin-hardenne.net/images/aus03_57.jpg

Hobbit size?
http://www.justine-henin-hardenne.net/images/antwerp02_48.jpg

Great pics, Greenout! BRAVO!!!!! :yeah: :yeah: :yeah:

Pamela Shriver
Dec 10th, 2004, 02:50 PM
Being 3976ft tall didn't exactly help me.

Jane
Dec 10th, 2004, 03:21 PM
I think it's talent. Being short or being tall doesn't make you a better
or worse tennis player. If it was the case the tour would have a
majority of very, very tall players or very very short players. It's
a mix of using your own assets.
This actually proves the point that height is an advantage, at least to a certain point. The average height for women in the US is 5'4". The average height of a WTA player is about 5'8". "Tiny" Justine is about 2" taller than the average woman. While players more than 4" (5'8") taller than average are the rule in the WTA, I can't think of a single player that is 4" shorter (5'0") than the average.

Certainly just being tall won't make a player a champion, but that doesn't mean it isn't an advantage. Can someone name the GS champions of the last 25 years that are 5'4" or less?

Justine's height is a definite disadvantage, eventhough she is a little taller than the average woman. She can certainly play with power, but in order to do so she has to push her body much harder than a player who is naturally stronger and that may be a contributing factor to her illness. But the real advantage to height is in the serve, an increasingly important factor in the women's game.

tennislover
Dec 10th, 2004, 04:29 PM
Being 3976ft tall didn't exactly help me.

:lol: Right! (except for catching lobs..... ;) )

tennislover
Dec 10th, 2004, 04:33 PM
I think that in modern tennis, which is "power tennis", phisical skills are very important.....
For example in men's tennis the serve speed is crucial: is it possible to serve at + 200 kms p/h, if you are as tall as Guillermo Vilas (or Arantxa) ?

T-T
Dec 19th, 2004, 11:29 PM
Indeed, Jane and tennislover.

That's why it's so double hard for players like Justine or O. Rochus to win matches. They really have to work their guts out against the bigger players.

So I would say that size matters in tennis. It's not determining (like in basketball). You can be small and be an excellent player, but being tall can make hardhitting much easier.

Julia1968
Dec 20th, 2004, 12:05 AM
She's got considerable skills and a totally cheating, lying mind. Formidable combo.

You obviously have her confused with the injury-excuse machine of Venus and Serena Williams. That might just give you a "headache".