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Brian Stewart
Nov 19th, 2004, 11:38 AM
The details are in this article: http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1118-22.htm

and also at http://blackboxvoting.org

It seems the election officials tried to get around a FOIA request by providing a new printout instead of the original poll tapes. When directed to visit another site, the reporters showed up early the following morning, and caught them attempting to dispose of the poll tapes in the trash. After retreiving and examining the tapes, they discovered why. There were discpancies between the machine totals and those turned is as"official" results. Hundreds of votes on a single machine. This repeated throughout the county. Incorrect tallies. Far too many to be explained by error or glitch, especially as all favored Bush. There are 179 such machines in this county alone.

And the explanation they tried to give doesn't hold water. If it's a routine practice to discard poll tapes (??), why the cloak-and-dagger stuff? Why not just turn them over to Bev Harris and crew (as they requested), and save themselves the trouble of throwing them out?

If this isn't a smoking gun, it's certainly a stinking one.

Other articles of interest are:
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1118-30.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/news2004/1118-14.htm

The one on Ohio is particularly interesting. One woman's husband died while she was forced to wait hours in the voting line, due to an inadequate supply of machines in her precinct.

Volcana
Nov 19th, 2004, 02:45 PM
Thank you.

Brian Stewart
Nov 21st, 2004, 08:35 AM
More on the Ohio mess:

http://newstandardnews.net/content/?action=show_item&itemid=1249

It seems the shenanigans in Ohio weren't just dirty pool, and a blatant attempt to suppress voters, but also a violation of the constitution. As such, legal actions are being filed. It would be interesting to see what would happen if one of the Republican election officials faced prison time for such actions. Would he "take one for the team", or roll over?

And I must admit, this is the first I've heard of the LPOV.

jelena4me
Nov 21st, 2004, 08:41 AM
Democracy at work ?

Volcana
Nov 22nd, 2004, 08:11 AM
Guys, at some point, if these electronic voting machines are really that easy to rig, and there's as much voter fraud as the evidence suggests (NOT proves) we don't HAVE a democracy.

The kneejerk reaction is to say that's absurd, but objection analysis of the known facts makes it seem eerily likely.

Brian Stewart
Nov 28th, 2004, 09:22 AM
A couple of more articles of interest:

In this one, it seems the machines in Oklahoma started counting backwards-
http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=4549

Here's an interesting one in which the author has uncovered the actual check used to pay off vote riggers in the U.S.-
http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=4553

This is a followup to his earlier article-
http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=4533

Rtael
Nov 28th, 2004, 09:26 AM
:sad: This shit happens and no one cares, and it seems like there's nothing we can do to change it. No one wants these fucking electronic voting machines, yet we have them anyway. It seems no one wants Bush in office, yet he's there anyway. Fuck.

Infiniti2001
Nov 28th, 2004, 03:47 PM
:sad: This shit happens and no one cares, and it seems like there's nothing we can do to change it. No one wants these fucking electronic voting machines, yet we have them anyway. It seems no one wants Bush in office, yet he's there anyway. Fuck.


You don't say.. Meanwhile this fucking administration has the audacity to stick their big fat noses in the UKraine affairs. :rolleyes: :fiery:

ptkten
Nov 28th, 2004, 04:10 PM
I don't understand why more people weren't up in arms. In the Ukraine people took to the streets because of discrepancies between exit polls and the actual results. Here, everyone just accepts the fact that the exit polls were wrong. Maybe the exit polls were right, and there was just mass voter fraud

kiwifan
Nov 28th, 2004, 04:41 PM
I hope this is all proven true.:cool: :cool: :cool:

Then what will Dems actually do? :devil:

Will they name names; actually put people in jail?:confused: :confused: :confused:

In most countries they're be quite a few "Poll workers" with "bullets in their heads" already. :armed:

Bottom line if the Democrats don't see this through and take out some people (meaning people go to jail and this shit is covered like "monica-gate") then I'm happy the Republicans are running the country. I'd rather have bad ass motherfuckers protecting my country than wishy washy whiners.

If all this shit just leads to "marches and Al Sharpton speeches"; then I say "the right guys are in the White House". :devil:

PS. We know that Dems cheat on election day too (see JFK and all the dead people who voted for him in Chicago courtesy of Sam Giancana and the Mafia) ;)

Brian Stewart
Dec 5th, 2004, 07:58 AM
And even more comes to light. This chap goes so far as to name names:

http://www.justaflyonthewall.com/votefraud.html

He even includes a sample of the program he wrote to change the votes. Given the simplicity of the program, and the fact there were outside phone lines connected to the machines, and said machines were accessed remotely at least a couple of times, this debunks the theory that such a fraud would be too massive or complicated to pull off.

Another interesting tidbit is this one, supposedly from someone who worked for the RNC:

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/MEN412A.html

Brian Stewart
Dec 7th, 2004, 10:28 AM
Here is an article in which Mr. Curtis has given a signed affadavit detailing his claims.
http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=4694

There's a link to a PDF file which supposedly contains copies of the papers (I can't read it with my browser).

"Sluggy"
Dec 7th, 2004, 10:46 AM
I have questioned for years and years whether we can really trust US election results. Bullshit bullshit i tell you. theres gotta be a better way.. Koodos to Brian for finding and posting this one.

Volcana
Dec 8th, 2004, 10:38 PM
I can't tell you if his code is any good, because I haven't analyzed it yet. However, I CAN tell you the concept is sound. I wrote programs for insurance companies with similar features. You could query and change the database by using invisble buttons. (Of course, that was simply a testing function. Your insurnace company would NEVER allow data to be changed in such an illicit manner. It's fraud.)

Brian Stewart
Dec 12th, 2004, 09:47 AM
Uh oh. It looks like Mr. Blackwell, in his haste to hinder investigation into possible election fraud, has himself committed election fraud:

http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=4755

Oopsie.

Scotso
Dec 12th, 2004, 04:25 PM
yay, USA! :rolleyes:

and we go around the world monitoring elections? :o

Volcana
Dec 13th, 2004, 12:45 AM
At least people in Ohio are trying to fight the good fight. It will be interesting to hear Blackwell's explanation.

Infiniti2001
Dec 13th, 2004, 02:52 AM
Check this out.. You gotta go New Zealand outlet to read this :rolleyes:

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/WO0411/S00275.htm

go hingis
Dec 13th, 2004, 05:36 AM
I can't believe this shit, did bush help howard rig his election too. That's the only way I can see these two idiots winning again.

I can't believe people get away with this in today's day and age.

Brian Stewart
Dec 13th, 2004, 06:00 AM
It's a good thing the Iraqis aren't wired to the net to learn what kind of "democracy" we're bringing them.

Crazy Canuck
Dec 13th, 2004, 08:58 AM
I'm a little confused. If this is all true and credible and blah (and I'm not saying that it's not, I merely skimmed the articles) - why isn't somebody making a case of this? Why am I not hearing more about it? Er, wait. That's right. I don't watch the news. But my roomates do, and they'd totally tell me about it! ;)

Anyways, I'm asking if this is actually going to go anywhere ever, or if the Dems are going to sit on it and twiddle?

Brian Stewart
Dec 23rd, 2004, 08:40 AM
Some reports on how the Ohio recount effort is being corrupted, from candidate Cobb himself. http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1222-31.htm

As some of these attempts are actually illegal, expect there to be some re-recounting, and for other legal challenges to be filed. And expect Republicans to distort it again, as when they repeatedly blocked the Florida recounts in '00, then claimed the votes were "counted, and counted again...".

Oh, and for those who missed it back it 2001, when the few papers that carried the story buried it deeply, the finally completed full recount of Florida's votes showed a win by Gore, by considerably more votes than Bush's "official" margin of victory, meaning Gore won Florida, and with it, the Presidency. So much for a "liberally biased media".

Gallofa
Dec 23rd, 2004, 10:15 AM
why isn't somebody making a case of this? Why am I not hearing more about it? I agree that's the real issue here. I can think of two obvious answers why the democrats are doing nothing: (1) there is not enough evidence to pursue anyone, or (2) they already have or plan to benefit from these same loops in your system.

Brian Stewart
Dec 24th, 2004, 08:32 AM
Don't look now, but someone woke up John Kerry:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/122404Y.shtml

Volcana
Dec 28th, 2004, 06:02 AM
On the road.

Just bumping this so it doesn't disappear before I get home.

Justeenium
Dec 28th, 2004, 06:04 AM
You don't say.. Meanwhile this fucking administration has the audacity to stick their big fat noses in the UKraine affairs. :rolleyes: :fiery:

which they happened to be right about :rolleyes:

:retard:

Rtael
Dec 28th, 2004, 09:36 AM
*sigh*

Brian Stewart
Dec 28th, 2004, 09:55 AM
As Ron Popeil would say, "But wait, there's more..."

http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/1032

It seems that, among the numerous other "irregularities", some voters checked their ballots before voting and discovered Bush's name had already been punched. What this would do, if one didn't check beforehand and assumed that they would be given a rightful blank ballot, is to allow any ballots with a vote for Bush to be processed as normal, whereas any votes for Kerry would result in an "overvote", and invalidate the ballot.

There were over 90,000 "spoiled" ballots, which would be overvotes, and most likely, given the other info, in the category of President. If that were the pattern, then these are really Kerry votes, which brings Bush's "official" margin down to ~25,000. Then factor in a few thousand "protest" voters who didn't vote for anyone for President, and who would be counted for Bush because the hole was pre-punched, then you're down to ~20,000, maybe less. Now factor in the other "irregularities", such as counties having more absentee ballots than absentee voters (650 in one county alone, and Ohio has 88 counties), and the outcome is very much in doubt.

One county turned up an extra 1700 votes during the recount. That was 6% of the votes in that county which had gone uncounted the first time around. That's a pretty big "oops".

Justeenium
Jan 4th, 2005, 05:23 AM
Oh, and for those who missed it back it 2001, when the few papers that carried the story buried it deeply, the finally completed full recount of Florida's votes showed a win by Gore, by considerably more votes than Bush's "official" margin of victory, meaning Gore won Florida, and with it, the Presidency. So much for a "liberally biased media".

show me your evidence Mr. Stewart.

and how come you've haven't posted this??
http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunherald/news/politics/10493124.htm

Rtael
Jan 4th, 2005, 05:27 AM
show me your evidence Mr. Stewart.

and how come you've haven't posted this??
http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunherald/news/politics/10493124.htm

Perhaps because that's totally unrelated to this thread?

Justeenium
Jan 4th, 2005, 06:28 AM
Perhaps because that's totally unrelated to this thread?
so is post number 22 (in reference to the title)