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Volcana
Nov 18th, 2004, 12:37 AM
I have no choice but to point out that, back in June of this year, 'Atlantis' was also found. In Spain (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3766863.stm). However, this new finding does match Plato pretty well, and it IS currently under water, which the SPanish find was not. My apologies if this was already posted.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/2257EA87-428E-4963-B737-1765120F2DFA.htm


US team claims Atlantis discovery

Tuesday 16 November 2004, 10:45 Makka Time, 7:45 GMT


http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/rdonlyres/2257EA87-428E-4963-B737-1765120F2DFA/54621/F1F92D6525BB4EFA9806FA70148B86C1.jpg (http://<img%20src=/)Atlantis, it is claimed, lies between Cyprus and Syria




A US researcher says he has found the lost civilisation of Atlantis in the waters off Cyprus - adding his theory to a mystery that has baffled explorers for centuries.

Robert Sarmast said a Mediterranean basin was flooded in a deluge around 9000 BCE which submerged a rectangular land mass he believes was Atlantis, lying 1.5km beneath sea level between Cyprus and Syria.

"We have definitely found it," said Sarmast, who led a team of explorers 80km off the south-east coast of Cyprus earlier this month, on Sunday.

Tantalising clues

Deep water sonar scanning had indicated man-made structures on a submerged hill, including a 3km-long wall, a walled hill summit and deep trenches, he said. But further explorations were needed, he said.

"We cannot yet provide tangible proof in the form of bricks and mortar as the artefacts are still buried under several metres of sediment, but the circumstantial and other evidence is irrefutable," he said. "We cannot yet provide tangible proof in the form of bricks and mortar as the artefacts are still buried under several metres of sediment, but the circumstantial and other evidence is irrefutable" - Robert Sarmast

At a news conference in the port city of Limassol, Sarmast provided only animated simulations of the hill.

Whether and where Atlantis existed has captured imaginations for centuries.

According to ancient Greek philosopher Plato, Atlantis was an island nation where an advanced civilisation developed some 11,500 years ago.

Mysterious disappearance
Theories abound as to why it disappeared, from Atlantis being hit by a cataclysmic natural disaster to the Greek myth that says the civilisation was so corrupt, greedy and power-hungry it was destroyed by God.

Sceptics believe Atlantis was a figment of Plato's imagination.

Sarmast says he was led to Cyprus by clues in Plato's dialogues. Plato's reference to Atlantis lying opposite the Pillars of Hercules - believed to be the Straits of Gibraltar - have often led explorers to focus on either the Atlantic Ocean, Ireland or the Azores off Portugal.

"People who dismiss this have not really done their homework; sceptics don't really understand," said Sarmast.

"To understand the enigma of Atlantis, you have to have good knowledge of ancient history, Biblical references, the Sumerian culture and their tablets."

bw2082
Nov 18th, 2004, 12:41 AM
I heard he's just rediscovered some old mud diapirs that look like ruins...

Paldias
Nov 18th, 2004, 12:44 AM
Coming from Al-Jazeera I doubt that this has any truth to it.

Volcana
Nov 18th, 2004, 12:59 AM
Coming from Al-Jazeera I doubt that this has any truth to it.I could have posted virtually the same article from CNN.com, but I saw it on Al-Jazeera first.

Are you just that bigoted? Or is it that closed minded? Or do you have so actual evidence that Al-Jazeera's news reporting is not factual?

If you bothered to compare media sites, and believe me I have, their news reporting is quite factual, and usually agrees, on a fact level, with most American, British and French media sites.

Their opinion pieces are as fair and balanced as Foxnews. You notice I don't post those.

Rtael
Nov 18th, 2004, 02:35 AM
:shrug: Most historians think Atlantis=The Ancient Minoan civilization. But we'll never really know for sure.

jelena4me
Nov 18th, 2004, 08:22 AM
It seems unlikely to be there. Plato said Atlantis lies beyond the pillars of Hercules , ie outside the Mediterranean, and this has confused most searchers.

A very likely fit otherwise seems to be Santorini, my favourite place on the earth, which exploded with one mother of an explosion several thousand years ago.

jelena4me
Nov 18th, 2004, 08:26 AM
another Santorini pic

Je_ne_sais_quoi
Nov 18th, 2004, 10:01 AM
another Santorini pic
wow..it looks like some sort of paradise to me:eek:

jelena4me
Nov 18th, 2004, 10:26 AM
Yeah , it is . Superb swimming. Go and look it up, its small but very spectacular in the centre overlooking the volcano...........

Its history does suggest it could be Atlantis, when the island blew up, it destroyed the minoan civilization on crete with a huge tsunami

Sam L
Nov 18th, 2004, 10:49 AM
I've read this. I don't buy it. I'm one of the sceptics who believe that it was Plato's imagination. Although, I'll never be sceptic enough (or rather I'm too stubborn) to give up the 7th ancient wonder of the world.

jochem
Nov 18th, 2004, 11:20 AM
Knowing that Greece will be off the world map in a short period of time...the location of Atlantis could be very well true...

bw2082
Nov 18th, 2004, 04:23 PM
I've read this. I don't buy it. I'm one of the sceptics who believe that it was Plato's imagination. Although, I'll never be sceptic enough (or rather I'm too stubborn) to give up the 7th ancient wonder of the world.

atlantis is not one of the 7 ancient wonders of the world

Truthwillout
Nov 18th, 2004, 04:35 PM
It seems unlikely to be there. Plato said Atlantis lies beyond the pillars of Hercules , ie outside the Mediterranean, and this has confused most searchers.

Which has led some exegetists to claim he was actually referring to the American continent which might have been known to some ancient navigators like the Phenicians. Some people also expatiated upon the resemblance between Egyptian and Mayan pyramids to claim that a long time ago there was a forgotten civilisation with settlements on both sides of the Atlantic. Plato actually claimed Atlantis sank 12,000 years ago, but no scientist today thinks it possible that there could have been any kind of civilisation at that time. True enough, it seems difficult to conceive at a time when Europe was still half glacier land. As for the American continent no trace of advanced civilisation older than 1,500 years has ever been found. So?

fleemkeģ
Nov 18th, 2004, 04:38 PM
I read it in the paper on thuesday ... well it would be nice but ... I also love the magic around Atlantis and I would miss that part ;)

M2k
Nov 18th, 2004, 08:33 PM
...whether in the end it happens to be Atlantis or not :) I'm exited to see what they might find anyways! :lol:

M2k
Nov 18th, 2004, 08:50 PM
It seems unlikely to be there. Plato said Atlantis lies beyond the pillars of Hercules , ie outside the Mediterranean, and this has confused most searchers.

A very likely fit otherwise seems to be Santorini, my favourite place on the earth, which exploded with one mother of an explosion several thousand years ago.
What an exquisite view :hearts: I swear by Zeus, that if after surgery I'm ok, I'll go there and swim in the open water!:lol:

Sam L
Nov 19th, 2004, 08:44 AM
atlantis is not one of the 7 ancient wonders of the world
I wasn't talking about it. I was talking about the Hanging Gardens, which some claim, never really existed.

Sam L
Nov 19th, 2004, 08:47 AM
Which has led some exegetists to claim he was actually referring to the American continent which might have been known to some ancient navigators like the Phenicians. Some people also expatiated upon the resemblance between Egyptian and Mayan pyramids to claim that a long time ago there was a forgotten civilisation with settlements on both sides of the Atlantic. Plato actually claimed Atlantis sank 12,000 years ago, but no scientist today thinks it possible that there could have been any kind of civilisation at that time. True enough, it seems difficult to conceive at a time when Europe was still half glacier land. As for the American continent no trace of advanced civilisation older than 1,500 years has ever been found. So?
Well the first human civilization is often thought to have arisen in Mesopotamia at the earliest about 8,000 B.C. At the earliest. I agree, I doubt that a civilization so advanced could've existed in the latter stages of the Ice Age. I just don't see it. Plus one that existed on both sides of the Atlantic? Possible, but the chances so low that I won't pay attention to it.

IMO, Plato's message was simple. Atlantis was a what could become of Greece if the Greeks continued to live the way they lived. I.e. he's just warning them they'd be punished for their ways.

jelena4me
Nov 19th, 2004, 09:16 AM
What an exquisite view :hearts: I swear by Zeus, that if after surgery I'm ok, I'll go there and swim in the open water!:lol:
Do it! There are thousands of Greek islands, some to be avoided. Santorini can get quite busy, but it is as spectacular sight as you could wish.