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Philbo
Nov 16th, 2004, 05:35 AM
http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Moderates-make-way-for-right-wing-shift/2004/11/16/1100384539359.html
Moderates make way for right wing shift
November 16, 2004 - 12:38PM

Secretary of State Colin Powell's resignation and a flood of high-level departures at the State Department and CIA remove the cautionary voices that had often acted as a brake on US President George W Bush's aggressive foreign policy.


US officials and analysts said today that by agreeing to Powell's departure and approving a purge by new CIA chief Porter Goss, Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney appear to be eliminating the few independent centres of power in the US national security apparatus.

Some said they are cementing the system under their personal control.

Current national security adviser Condoleezza Rice, who is personally close to Bush, is set to take Powell's place.

Powell and his State Department team - quietly backed by the intelligence community - argued often for a foreign policy that was more inclusive of allies and that relied on diplomacy and coercion rather than on force to deal with adversaries.

They lost more battles in Washington than they won.

Powell's friends said he had hoped to stay on a little longer.
Significantly Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, a major architect of the Iraq war along with Bush and Cheney, appears to be staying for now.

That could signal that the White House believes its much-criticised Iraq policies are on the right track.

"Letting him go would be an admission of failure," said one senior administration official who, like others, requested anonymity because of the White House's distaste for dissent.

"Now," the official said, "they've got no one left to blame but themselves if things don't go right."

"We are seeing the consummation of the revolution," said Ivo Daalder, a scholar at the Washington-based Brookings Institution and author of a book on Bush's foreign policy.

"Anybody who thought that a 'Bush Two' foreign policy would be a more moderate, multilateral, (John) Kerry-like foreign policy just doesn't understand this president, or this election," Daalder said.

Powell's resignation was the most prominent of a string of resignations that were announced or are in the works.

At the CIA this morning, Goss announced the resignations of deputy director for operations Stephen Kappes, who heads the clandestine service, and his deputy Michael Sulick.

Both had clashed with Goss over suggestions that CIA counterintelligence officers should investigate leaks to the media, intelligence officials said.

Goss, a former Republican congressman from Florida, and a team of four aides he brought from the House Intelligence Committee, have begun a post-election purge of the Operations Directorate that's infuriated and alarmed current and former U.S. intelligence officials.

Many officials believe that the CIA, particularly the DO, as the Operations Directorate is known, is in dire need of reform. The agency was largely unable to penetrate either al-Qaeda or Saddam Hussein's Iraqi regime.

Critics charge that it's become too risk-averse and bureaucratic.

But, they said, the way Goss and his aides have proceeded has caused turmoil during heightened intelligence-gathering challenges. It smacks of partisanship and retaliation for the agency's production of analysis that doesn't support White House policy, they said.

Others said that the CIA is in need of shock therapy.

"The more turmoil, the better. The place is dysfunctional," said one former CIA officer, who requested anonymity. "I'm not too sure there is a right way (to institute change). You are going into a hornets' nest."

Three senior administration officials charged that Goss and his aides are carrying out a "White House-directed purge." One said it appears to be directed at "everybody who said there was no connection between Iraq and al-Qaeda and everybody who they think leaked information that undercut what the administration was claiming."

Many intelligence and other officials questioned the administration's claims about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and links to al-Qaeda, claims that subsequent investigations have found to be erroneous.

They also challenged White House assessments about political and economic progress in Iraq.

Cheney, they said, was particularly angered by reports, that the CIA had been unable to find any conclusive evidence tying Saddam's regime to Jordanian-born terrorist Abu Musab al Zarqawi.

Cheney had ordered the CIA to take another look at possible links among Saddam, Zarqawi and Osama bin Laden, the official said, and was angered when a CIA briefer told him the results of the inquiry.

"This is a classic case of shooting the messenger," said one senior official. "Unfortunately, they're the same messengers we're counting on to warn us of the next al-Qaeda attack."

At the State Department, officials said, Powell is expected to be accompanied out the door by virtually his entire management team: Deputy Secretary Richard Armitage; Undersecretary for Political Affairs Marc Grossman, the department's Number Three official; Undersecretary for Management Grant Green; and several others.

"They're going to purge the State Department," said one of the senior officials, adding that he'd heard White House officials say: "The State Department doesn't get it. They're not on the president's message."

Powell will be sorely missed among career employees.

Powell imbued "a sense of self-worth that's a rare commodity for the civil service and the foreign service that works here," a mid-level official said. "It hasn't sunk into folks around here that we're about to lose our lord and protector."

Philbo
Nov 16th, 2004, 05:37 AM
Right wing people on this board - Fingon, Ayla, CKB, Justineium et al

Are u concerned that Bush etc are purging the CIA of people who said there was no link between Iraq and Al Qaeda?

Are u concerned that Bush just wants to surround himself with 'yes men' who wont challenge any of his godly inspired policies/opinions etc?

I am sincerely curious as to how you supporters view this move...

jelena4me
Nov 16th, 2004, 08:24 AM
its very scary whats happening in the USA today, and half of you Americans chose this regime.

Philbo
Nov 16th, 2004, 11:09 PM
bump

Barrie_Dude
Nov 16th, 2004, 11:15 PM
Right wing people on this board - Fingon, Ayla, CKB, Justineium et al

Are u concerned that Bush etc are purging the CIA of people who said there was no link between Iraq and Al Qaeda?

Are u concerned that Bush just wants to surround himself with 'yes men' who wont challenge any of his godly inspired policies/opinions etc?

I am sincerely curious as to how you supporters view this move...I am curious as to your thought process here..... You are bending the truth and taking it to a left wing extreme without any regard to the facts...

Philbo
Nov 16th, 2004, 11:35 PM
How am I doing that Barriedude? I pretty much just summed up what the article was saying...??

Or do u find the article itself 'extreme left wing'?

Bacardi
Nov 16th, 2004, 11:41 PM
I find it scary to see how many people that had some control over not letting Bush get away with murder are leaving. It's a sign that even they didn't have faith enough in this man to stick around for 4 more years. :scared:

It's the end of the world in the USA, I wouldn't doubt the 51% that's stupid enough to stay there don't end up in Soup lines like they did back during the Great Depression.

Barrie_Dude
Nov 16th, 2004, 11:52 PM
Please! Powell said all along that he was going to leave after 1 term! And it is fairly typical for Cabinet level people to leave....In fact, it is a teastemeant to ther stability of the Administration that there has not been any turnover in the Cabinet til now...generally there is regardless of who is Prez.....

Philbo
Nov 17th, 2004, 12:04 AM
Barrie- What about the purging going on at the CIA of people who insisted there was no link between Iraq and Al Queda? Does that not concern you?

The problem with the CIA is that the administration only heard what they wanted to hear - they didnt WANT to hear that Saddam didnt have WMD's..so purging the CIA of 'dissidents' to the president doesnt seem a smart move to me..

But I want to hear what conservatives think of this...Do you think the CIA will IMPROVE if it gets stacked with people who dont want to question the administration?

Barrie_Dude
Nov 17th, 2004, 12:23 AM
Barrie- What about the purging going on at the CIA of people who insisted there was no link between Iraq and Al Queda? Does that not concern you?

The problem with the CIA is that the administration only heard what they wanted to hear - they didnt WANT to hear that Saddam didnt have WMD's..so purging the CIA of 'dissidents' to the president doesnt seem a smart move to me..

But I want to hear what conservatives think of this...Do you think the CIA will IMPROVE if it gets stacked with people who dont want to question the administration?Well, you can place the blame sqyarley on Rumsfeld.....this Iraq thing was his idea and I agree that he has to go......

Philbo
Nov 17th, 2004, 01:05 AM
Thanks Barrie, but Im still curious what you think abour purging the CIA of people who are perceived to have 'not supported' Bush/Cheney by leaking stuff to the press etc..

Volcana
Nov 17th, 2004, 02:15 AM
This is purging right wingers to bring in extreme right wingers. I didn't see any 'moderates' in the Bush cabinet. I thought Powell was a moderate. But after the last for years, I think it was just a part he played. When the chips were down he was always the good little right-wing yes-man.