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Bacardi
Nov 16th, 2004, 01:49 AM
Bush Chooses Rice to Replace Powell

40 minutes ago White House - AP


By TOM RAUM, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - President Bush (news - web sites) has selected Condoleezza Rice (news - web sites), his national security adviser and trusted confidant, to replace Colin Powell (news - web sites) as secretary of state, officials said Monday, in a major shakeup of the president's national security team. Three other Cabinet secretaries also resigned.


Powell, a retired four-star general who often clashed on Iraq (news - web sites) and other foreign policy issues with more hawkish members of Bush's administration, said he was returning to private life once his successor was in place.


The Cabinet exodus promised a starkly different look to Bush's second-term team. Rice is considered more of a foreign policy hard-liner than the moderate Powell.


The White House announced Powell's exit along with the resignations of Education Secretary Rod Paige, Agriculture Secretary Ann Veneman and Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham (news - web sites). Veneman had said last week she wanted to stay.


Bush's nomination of Rice is expected Tuesday afternoon, a senior administration official said.


Stephen Hadley, now the deputy national security adviser, is expected to replace Rice at the White House, the official said.


Combined with the resignations earlier this month of Commerce Secretary Don Evans and Attorney General John Ashcroft (news - web sites), six of Bush's 15 Cabinet members will not be part of the president's second term, which begins with his inauguration Jan. 20. An administration that experienced few changes over the last four years suddenly hit a high-water mark for overhaul.


Although there had been recent speculation that Powell would stay on, at least for part of Bush's second term, he told reporters on Monday "I made no offer" to do so.


Known for his moderate views and unblemished reputation, Powell went before the United Nations (news - web sites) in February 2003 to sell Bush's argument for invading Iraq to skeptics abroad and at home. But Powell's case was built on faulty intelligence that Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) possessed weapons of mass destruction.


Still, the former Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman remained the most popular member of the administration, moreso than even Bush.


In a resignation letter dated Nov. 12, Powell told Bush that, with the election over, it was time to "step down ... and return to private life." The 35-year Army veteran said he would stay on "for a number of weeks, or a month or two" until his replacement was confirmed by the Senate.


In an appearance at the daily State Department midday briefing, Powell said he had a full end-of-year agenda. Asked what he plans to do next, the 67-year-old Powell said, "I don't know."


In a statement, Bush called Powell "one of the great public servants of our time."


Rice, 50, worked at the National Security Council in former President Bush's White House and went on to be provost of Stanford University in California before working in the current president's 2000 campaign. Rice gave a flurry of speeches in political background states in the closing days of Bush's re-election campaign. That drew criticism from Sen. John Edwards (news - web sites), the Democratic vice presidential candidate, who accused Bush of "diverting his national security adviser from doing her job."


U.N. Ambassador John Danforth, the former Republican senator from Missouri, whose name was circulated in earlier speculation for the job, described Powell as "a great person" and "an outstanding public servant."


Powell, one of the architects of the 1991 Persian Gulf War (news - web sites) in the administration of the first President Bush, often sparred with hard-line administration officials such as Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites) and Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld over Iraq policy.


"Secretary Powell's departure is a loss to the moderate internationalist voices in the Bush administration," said New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, a former U.N. ambassador in the Clinton administration.





Powell drew praise from overseas, where he was clearly the most popular member of the administration.

British Prime Minister Tony Blair (news - web sites) described Powell as "a remarkable man and ... a good friend to this country over a very long period." German Defense Minister Peter Struck called Powell's retirement "regrettable" and described him as "a reliable partner in conversation in the area of defense policy."

The resignations come as Bush faces major foreign policy challenges. The threat of terrorism looms, the fighting in Iraq continues with upcoming January elections in doubt, nuclear tensions remain with Iran and North Korea (news - web sites), and the Middle East landscape has shifted with the death of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat (news - web sites).

Paige, 71, the nation's seventh education secretary, is the first black to serve in the job. He oversaw Bush's signature education law, the No Child Left Behind Act. The leading candidate to replace Paige is Margaret Spellings, a domestic policy adviser who helped Bush shape his school agenda when he was the Texas governor.

Abraham, 52, a former senator from Michigan, joined the administration after he lost a bid for re-election. Abraham struggled to persuade Congress to endorse the president's broad energy agenda. Sources said he intends to stay in Washington, where he plans to work in private law practice.

Veneman, 55, the daughter of a California peach grower, was the nation's first woman agriculture secretary. Among those mentioned as a possible replacement are Chuck Conner, White House farm adviser; Allen Johnson, the chief U.S. agricultural negotiator; Bill Hawks, undersecretary for marketing and regulatory programs; and Charles Kruse, president of the Missouri Farm Bureau Federation.

Rep. Charles Stenholm (news, bio, voting record), D-Texas, who lost his bid for re-election, was also mentioned. He said he was flattered but has "not been contacted by anyone that counts."

The resignations are on a par with what other presidents who have won second terms have experienced.

In Ecuador for a meeting of defense ministers, Rumsfeld said, "I have not discussed that with the president" when asked if he planned to resign.

Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge, attending a meeting in Hawaii, declined to say whether he, too, would resign — but told reporters he has not submitted a letter of resignation. "And when those decisions are made, I'd prefer to share it with the president first," Ridge said.

Bacardi
Nov 16th, 2004, 01:50 AM
:haha: We're so fuct up, this isn't even right. Rice replaces Powell, only in the world of W. Any one of you that voted for him, feeling the wrath of sickness yet? :haha:

Barrie_Dude
Nov 16th, 2004, 01:52 AM
Rice is a good choice!

martirogi
Nov 16th, 2004, 02:12 AM
i love condi, wish shed run for prez

jbone_0307
Nov 16th, 2004, 02:22 AM
Condoleeza is a great choice. She can speak 5 different languages FLUENTLY. If she were really smart, she would pack up just like Colin did, but shes more loyal.

cheesestix
Nov 16th, 2004, 02:51 AM
:haha: We're so fuct up, this isn't even right. Rice replaces Powell, only in the world of W. Any one of you that voted for him, feeling the wrath of sickness yet? :haha:

Haven't you left the country yet? :rolleyes:

BTW, why don't you explain how "We're so fuct up" by Bush appointing Rice? No matter who Powell's replacement would have been, you'd say the same thing. But let's hear you explain why Rice is so bad. It's just another statement pulled out of your ass.

BTW, haven't you left the country yet? :rolleyes: Didn't think so.

DemWilliamsGulls
Nov 16th, 2004, 05:09 AM
Condelisa needs to get somewhere and sit her ugly snaggledtooth billie goat lookin ass down...she's part of the problem of how those terrorist attacked us in 2001. Colin Powell, is getting the hell outta dodge...he said he felt stupid as hell trying to convince other countries to assist in the war about so called hidden weapons of mass destructions..where they haven't found jack....I dont blame Powell for getting the hell outta dodge...look who he has to work with again for the next 4 years.

ys
Nov 16th, 2004, 05:25 AM
It's something good for a change.. I like her. She is bright.

Tennis Fool
Nov 16th, 2004, 07:00 AM
She might be, but she thought Iran was an Arab country :rolleyes:

jelena4me
Nov 16th, 2004, 07:26 AM
She makes Maggie Thatcher look like a socialist

IcePrincess
Nov 16th, 2004, 07:32 AM
I hope Aunt Jane at least gets a rai$e for the job change.

:wavey:

Cuckoo
Nov 16th, 2004, 07:35 AM
Shes not a bad Looker either ;)

vutt
Nov 16th, 2004, 07:46 AM
Condoleeza is a great choice. She can speak 5 different languages FLUENTLY.like...
1. Cruise missiles

2. Smart bombs

3. "Stinger" rockets

4. M-16

5. All that with lovely smile...

:devil: :devil: :devil:

Halardfan
Nov 16th, 2004, 08:39 AM
I feel sorry for Powell, he was of the few (relative) voices of reason left in the Bush regime...

Rice is a whole lot closer to GW and the far-right Neo-con's and is therefore a deeply worrying choice.

gweeny
Nov 16th, 2004, 11:01 AM
I feel sorry for Powell, he was of the few (relative) voices of reason left in the Bush regime...

Rice is a whole lot closer to GW and the far-right Neo-con's and is therefore a deeply worrying choice.
I agree. Colin Powel was objective and he seemed to think things through before he acted. Condy is totally under Bush, anything the president wants, she will be his voice. No arguments.

As a black female, I am glad that Condy will be the first black female secretary of state, but I just don't like her political party. :(:(

kes
Nov 16th, 2004, 11:05 AM
like moths to a flame........ aren't they?? :tape: ;)

Beat
Nov 16th, 2004, 11:19 AM
She makes Maggie Thatcher look like a socialist
:lol:

ys
Nov 16th, 2004, 04:14 PM
She might be, but she thought Iran was an Arab country :rolleyes:
??? Link please..

On the other note.. It also means that Republicans have no clue about what they are going to do for 2008.. I would like though to see Rice nominated. I'd vote for her..:)

Bacardi
Nov 16th, 2004, 05:25 PM
Haven't you left the country yet? :rolleyes:

BTW, why don't you explain how "We're so fuct up" by Bush appointing Rice? No matter who Powell's replacement would have been, you'd say the same thing. But let's hear you explain why Rice is so bad. It's just another statement pulled out of your ass.

BTW, haven't you left the country yet? :rolleyes: Didn't think so.

If you go back and read the post, I said I'd be leaving sometime after January. However, I understand, asking any supporter of Bush to read, is impossible. After all ignorance on knowledge must be the only reason someone would elect such a man. Have no fear, in January I'll be gone.... and leave the rest of you to feel the wrath. There's no way in hell I'm going to get drafted and when he starts it, I hope you volunteer instead of get drafted so you won't look like a hypocrite!

No, Rice lied to the 9/11 Comission and also lied about the reasons for the war with Iraq. Twice she's lied, why should we expect anything else from her? :bounce:

kiwifan
Nov 16th, 2004, 07:43 PM
"Evil Racist" Dubya has now put two black people into the possibly the most powerful unelected position in American Govt. :devil: :p :devil:

I don't understand why an "Evil Racist" would do such a thing; its not like they deliver any votes...

...but "Evil Racist" Dubya did it anyway...

...:hehehe:

Tylane
Nov 16th, 2004, 08:48 PM
This woman is worse than Bush himself... :fiery:

flyingmachine
Nov 16th, 2004, 09:34 PM
She makes Maggie Thatcher look like a socialist
I know :scared:

jelena4me
Nov 18th, 2004, 08:53 AM
"Evil Racist" Dubya has now put two black people into the possibly the most powerful unelected position in American Govt. :devil: :p :devil:

I don't understand why an "Evil Racist" would do such a thing; its not like they deliver any votes...

...but "Evil Racist" Dubya did it anyway...

...:hehehe:
Cos she'll suck up to Bush thats why. Maybe he was surprised to find anyone as extreme right wing as himself.

Infiniti2001
Nov 18th, 2004, 12:31 PM
This woman is so unqualified for this job, just as she was to be National Security Advisor. She's an expert on the Soviet Union , and we all know this is no longer in existence. Oh well, this means is that the department of state will take an even bigger back seat to the defense department which is still run by a gang of war criminals. :fiery:

Fingon
Nov 18th, 2004, 03:04 PM
People don't get it do they?

did you really think that Bush would appoint someone that he couldn't fully trust for one of the two most important cabinet posts? (and certainly the most exposed).

you must understand one thing, although idealism is nice, and can certainly influence your line of thought, in governing a country you have to take a practical approach. Great solutions that are not applicable or possible are no solutions.

The point is, Powell is great, very intelligent, very down to earth, very respected, but he wasn't trusted by Bush, so his reasonable inputs were ignored. He continously lost fights against Rice or Rumsfeld or Cheney, so no matter how smart he was or how good his advises were, they just wouldn't go through.

He had prestige, and was respected in international circles, but his position was weaekend because his feud with Bush was known, and diplomats didn't know if was expressing his views or Bush's views, and didn't know if Powell would deliver for that reason.

Rice is close to Bush and has his full confidence. Sure she is right-wing, but her voice will be heard. She is supposed to be an expert and she is more likely to influence Bush's decisions than to just be a messenger as some suggests.

There are elements in the State department that are in favour of a different approach, if they can convince Rice, she can get it done, it might be difficult to convince her, but she isn't stupid, and it will certainly be easier to convince her (if they are right) than Bush himself. If they get that hard first part done then it's a deal.

With Powell they probably didn't have to make a big effort to convince him, but the initiatives would die there simply because Bush would not hear Powell.

With Rice, good or bad you get what you see, you know her policies are the administration's policy, and what's going to be done, at least you know what to expect.

A good example was regarding North Korea, even moderates think the US might need to harden is insteance on North Korea. Now, if Powell threatened North Korea, the Koreans weren't sure if the thread was serious, if Rice does, they better take her seriously and they know it.

At the end of the day, it's not Rice, it's Bush, if you disagree with Bush's policies, having Powell in the state depeartment won't make any difference, if you agree with them, well, Rice will push them forward.

Habsudovafan
Nov 19th, 2004, 11:24 AM
Can she actually laugh. She is so stiff!!!
Longing back for the days of Madeleine Albright.

Infiniti2001
Nov 19th, 2004, 12:31 PM
Radio Host Calls Rice 'Aunt Jemima'

By JAMES A. CARLSON
.c The Associated Press

MILWAUKEE (AP) - A radio talk show host drew criticism Thursday after calling Condoleezza Rice an ``Aunt Jemima'' and saying she isn't competent to be secretary of state.

John Sylvester, the program director and morning personality on WTDY-AM in Madison, said in a phone interview Thursday that he used the term on Wednesday's show to describe Rice and other blacks as having only a subservient role in the Bush administration.

Rice has served as President Bush's national security adviser and was named this week to replace the departing Colin Powell as secretary of state.

Sylvester, who is white, also referred to Powell as an ``Uncle Tom'' - a contemptuous term for a black whose behavior toward whites is regarded as fawning or servile.

He said Thursday night that he was referring to remarks by singer and civil rights activist Harry Belafonte that the price of admittance for blacks to the Bush White House was subservience.

As for Rice, ``they're using her for an illusion of inclusion,'' he said, adding that he feels her history as national security adviser showed a lack of competence.


Madison Mayor Dave Cieslewicz called the remarks ``racially insensitive,'' while Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wis., said in a statement he joined ``all Wisconsinites in rejecting'' the statements.

Linda Hoskins of the NAACP's Madison branch said she could not comment on Sylvester's remarks until she had heard them in their entirety.

The station's corporate office received about 100 calls about his comments, Sylvester said.

He added that he has a long history of commitment to civil rights and has supported Madison's black community.

He said he was planning a giveaway on Friday's show of Aunt Jemima pancake mix and syrup. ``I will apologize to Aunt Jemima,'' he said.

The incident came after a radio host in Milwaukee had his talk show taken off the air all of last week after he used word ``wetback'' to refer to undocumented Mexican immigrants, sparking protests from Hispanics.

Associated Press writer JR Ross in Madison contributed to this story.

It would have been better if the guy weren't white, but he's still telling the truth , and the world knows it. :tape:

Volcana
Nov 19th, 2004, 01:55 PM
Am I happy Rice will be Sec'y of State? No.
Was I happy with the job Rice dead did (freudian slip) as NSA? No.

Neither of those things are relevant. The question is, was BUSH happy with the job she did as NSA? By all accounts, he was. She's been one of the Anti-Christ Bush's personal hitmen since back in Texas, and I'm sure she'll do a great job of doing what Bush wants done. Compromising with allies will not be part of the job description. Guarding Bush's six will be.

harloo
Nov 19th, 2004, 04:17 PM
Radio Host Calls Rice 'Aunt Jemima'

By JAMES A. CARLSON
.c The Associated Press

MILWAUKEE (AP) - A radio talk show host drew criticism Thursday after calling Condoleezza Rice an ``Aunt Jemima'' and saying she isn't competent to be secretary of state.

John Sylvester, the program director and morning personality on WTDY-AM in Madison, said in a phone interview Thursday that he used the term on Wednesday's show to describe Rice and other blacks as having only a subservient role in the Bush administration.

Rice has served as President Bush's national security adviser and was named this week to replace the departing Colin Powell as secretary of state.

Sylvester, who is white, also referred to Powell as an ``Uncle Tom'' - a contemptuous term for a black whose behavior toward whites is regarded as fawning or servile.

He said Thursday night that he was referring to remarks by singer and civil rights activist Harry Belafonte that the price of admittance for blacks to the Bush White House was subservience.

As for Rice, ``they're using her for an illusion of inclusion,'' he said, adding that he feels her history as national security adviser showed a lack of competence.


Madison Mayor Dave Cieslewicz called the remarks ``racially insensitive,'' while Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wis., said in a statement he joined ``all Wisconsinites in rejecting'' the statements.

Linda Hoskins of the NAACP's Madison branch said she could not comment on Sylvester's remarks until she had heard them in their entirety.

The station's corporate office received about 100 calls about his comments, Sylvester said.

He added that he has a long history of commitment to civil rights and has supported Madison's black community.

He said he was planning a giveaway on Friday's show of Aunt Jemima pancake mix and syrup. ``I will apologize to Aunt Jemima,'' he said.

The incident came after a radio host in Milwaukee had his talk show taken off the air all of last week after he used word ``wetback'' to refer to undocumented Mexican immigrants, sparking protests from Hispanics.

Associated Press writer JR Ross in Madison contributed to this story.

It would have been better if the guy weren't white, but he's still telling the truth , and the world knows it. :tape:
:lol: Aunt Jemima!! ROTF!!

I actually like Dr. Rice and hope she can sleep at night with the decisions that Bush is making in regards to foreign policy. We all know that Colin Powell and now Condi are nothing but sitting ducks for the administrations affirmative action quota, but I think she is qualified to handle the job. She is very intelligent, well versed, and has the ability to carry out the message of the Bush Regime.;)

In regards to Colin, I only lost respect for Powell when he went before the United Nations with that lie about WMD's. I think he is a great man, and if he was allowed to act as National Security Advisor without the strings he would of done a great job.

ys
Nov 19th, 2004, 04:22 PM
I find it ironic that many white posters hail an African American woman unprecedentedly selected for this crucial job.. While many African American posters are unhappy.. Maybe indeed, there is no more racism? At least on our wonderful boards? :lol:

harloo
Nov 19th, 2004, 04:32 PM
I find it ironic that many white posters hail an African American woman unprecedentedly selected for this crucial job.. While many African American posters are unhappy.. Maybe indeed, there is no more racism? At least on our wonderful boards? :lol:
White posters who support the Bush Regime find Condi so endearing its like she could do no wrong. I imagine if she were in a different party the same folks would claim she was not qualified or that she got to where she is because of affirmative action.

The more things change the more things stay the same.;) :lol:

jacobruiz
Nov 19th, 2004, 04:45 PM
Bush wants no "moderates" in his administration, as judiciary appointees, or in any other governmental agency. As Infinite pointed out, Condi is an expert on the former Soviet Union but not especially well-versed in any other area.
However, Rice is a hard-line hawk and speaks Bush's language unlike Powell.

So much for "healing" and "coming together".

griffin
Nov 19th, 2004, 04:58 PM
White posters who support the Bush Regime find Condi so endearing its like she could do no wrong.

There's also a fair amount of "white liberal guilt" fuzzing people's view of Rice herself: just like a lot of folks on the (American) left thought Powell was a lot more moderate than he was because they knew more about his ethnicity than his politics, there are a lot of people who are so enamoured with the "first" aspect of her selection they're not seeing the woman behind the label. They're seeing what they want to see, not what's there.

Not that it isn't possible to be happy that an African-American woman's been appointed Sec of State, and still NOT be happy with the particular African-American woman appointed...

I imagine if she were in a different party the same folks would claim she was not qualified or that she got to where she is because of affirmative action.

Can you say "Lanie Guinier" ;)

Barrie_Dude
Nov 19th, 2004, 05:04 PM
Actually, Grif, Powell was pretty moderate when compared to most of Bushes inner circle and he is far right of what one would expect from an African American. I suppose that it is relative to ones vantage point as to whether he is a moderate or far right. All I know is that he was often at odds with Bushs inner circle.

griffin
Nov 19th, 2004, 08:14 PM
Powell was pretty moderate when compared to most of Bushes inner circle

You've heard the phrase "to damn with faint praise," yes? :lol:

I know, he's moderate compared to the rest of the "Operation ChickenHawk" gang, but that's not saying mcuh. And he's not nealy so moderate as some - particularly in the media and on the left - seemed to think he was.