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Car Key Boi
Nov 13th, 2004, 12:57 AM
i've been really busy of late, haven't had the time to surf this cesspool for a few weeks now. I did try to log-in on election night to have a good gloat, but as i was just saying to the Diva, i couldn't remember my password at the time. Anyways, i've just skimmed through a bunch of Volcana's threads and posts, and a common theme is how he is so quick to bash all the Christian tards for being a bunch of homophobic bigots in their opposition to gay-marraige blah blah blah, yet at the same time, Volcana is very keen to bang the drum for Muslims, be they Palis, Iraqis, whatever

as it happens, i'm a non-religious tard and i don't have a problem with Volcana bashing the Christians for their anti-gay beliefs. This is one issue, probably the only issue, that i am in total agreement with Volcana, in spite of the fact that when i posted my vote it was for Smirk. I support gay-marraige blah, but it wasn't that important an issue for me to vote against Smirk just on that issue alone, and the same is true for most Smirk voters

the problem i have with Volcana on this issue of gay-marraige blah, is his SELECTIVE bashing (i.e. he only bashes the fundi-Christians)

below is a link to an Islamic web site

www.submission.org (http://www.submission.org/)

note: THIS AIN'T NO EXTREMIST WHACKO FUNDI MUZZIE SITE, SON!

they are quite clear on how they view Osama and company. They condemn all the Fundi-terroists in no uncertain terms

they have also tried their very best to put a spin on those verses of the Koran which make uncomfortable reading for libs like Volcana. For example, on page http://www.submission.org/women/beating.html there is the following verse taken from the Koran


[4:34] The men are made responsible for the women, and GOD has endowed them with certain qualities, and made them the bread earners. The righteous women will cheerfully accept this arrangement, since it is GOD's commandment, and honor their husbands during their absence. If you experience rebellion from the women, you shall first talk to them, then (you may use negative incentives like) deserting them in bed, then you may (as a last alternative) beat them. If they obey you, you are not permitted to transgress against them. GOD is Most High, Supreme. clear as day that, but makes uncomfortable reading to libs like Volcana, and the webmasters of Submission.org know it....so some spin is needed....and here it is


At first glance this verse may appear as if promoting physical abuse of women. But when reading 4:34 carefully one realizes that it actually prohibits abuse and beating of women by using the best psychological approach.

The advise to first talk and then avoid sexual contact, provides the necessary time and space for both parties to cool off, reason, examine the problem and reach a favorable agreement for both of them.

Abuse of a wife will not happen if the man learns to follow the clear commandments of God in this verse and in the order decreed. Abuse will only happen when a man does not follow these commandments, and thus fails to cool off and reason with himself or with his wife.

Sura 4, where we read 4:34, entitled "The Women," is one of the longest chapters in the Quran. It deals with many of the rights and responsibilities of women, rights that were first available to western women only a few decades ago, and some that still aren't. The theme of this Sura is to defend women's rights, and countering injustice and oppression of women. Thus, any interpretation of verses in Sura 4 must be in favor of the women, not the other way around.
so there yuo have it, the Koran is quite clear that the beating of yuor wife is permissable under certain conditions, but the moderate Muslims at submission.org have contrived a tortured explanation as to why this verse isn't a green light for a man to hit his wife if she doesn't listen to reason

HOWEVER, not even these 'liberal' 'moderate' Muslims will go so far as to try any spin doctoring when it comes to the issue of homosexuality. Volcana, this link's for yuo, bud

http://www.submission.org/sex/homosexuality.html


there may be a few islamic pro-gay groups dotted around the world, but for the most part, Muslims (never mind the extremists) are quite united on where they stand on gay-marraige blah UNLIKE THE CHRISTIAN TARDS WHO ARE DEEPLY DIVIDED ON THIS ISSUE

that is all

- Car Key Boi,
liberals' worst nightmare - D N T

Crazy Canuck
Nov 13th, 2004, 01:18 AM
So why are Christians the only ones that are blamed?

In the USA, probably because there are more of them thus they are the more visible "homphobic" group (blah, I'm not saying that all Christians are homophobes, so don't read it like that).

Fingon
Nov 13th, 2004, 01:35 AM
In the USA, probably because there are more of them thus they are the more visible "homphobic" group (blah, I'm not saying that all Christians are homophobes, so don't read it like that).:scratch:

Halardfan
Nov 13th, 2004, 06:42 AM
I am dismayed both by extreme Islam and extreme Chrisitianity...both have in common of course a contempt for 'decadent' liberal western societies, and a whole load of intolerance.

The same goes for any religious belief taken to an extreme.

Crazy Canuck
Nov 13th, 2004, 06:51 AM
:scratch:
Was I ambiguous? I was suggesting that Christians got crapped on more than other religions in the US because they are the majority religion, thus they make more noise... that, or I'm extremely poorly informed and they are not.

Philbo
Nov 13th, 2004, 07:02 AM
I am dismayed both by extreme Islam and extreme Chrisitianity...both have in common of course a contempt for 'decadent' liberal western societies, and a whole load of intolerance.

The same goes for any religious belief taken to an extreme.
Couldnt have said it any better..

But I will say that the reason I bash christians is because christianity is the dominant religion in Australia where I live, and In USA which is the worlds superpower. Australia could almost be called the 51st state these days.

Dont get me started on the things I cannot begin to understand or condone in Islam - not only their attitutes on the gay stuff, I pity the poor women of Islam. Talk about being born a 2nd class citizen.

But the reason I bash the christians is because its the christian lobby in Australia which is responsible for the fear and homophobia associated with giving gays the right to marry. If Islam ruled in Australia I'd be just as critical of it.

Sam L
Nov 13th, 2004, 02:07 PM
I'm a liberal, and religious fundamentalism in ANY form is not good. There should be separation of religion and state in every country in the world.

Bush and his supporters should be pushing for that and fighting for that instead of retaliating Islamic fundamentalism by becoming a Christian fundamentalism itself. Two wrongs don't make a right.

DunkMachine
Nov 15th, 2004, 03:22 PM
Please cut the fucking shit OKAY because I can slam verses of the bible in your face which clearly allows men to rape women that have been disobedient. The difference between islam in christianity is it's following. I doubt any of you "christians" actually read the damn thing.

Car Key Boi
Nov 25th, 2004, 07:16 PM
I am dismayed both by extreme Islam and extreme Chrisitianity...both have in common of course a contempt for 'decadent' liberal western societies, and a whole load of intolerance.

The same goes for any religious belief taken to an extreme.
sorry, i thought i made it quite clear, the guys who run submission.org are NOT extremists, they have denounced in no uncertain terms the Hadiths and Sunna (like the bible and the jewish torah, books that were written by men) who Osama and company have taken to extreme

the guys at submission.org are quoting from the KORAN which, if yuo are a true believer of Islam, is the DIVINE word of Allah, and cannot be questioned

now if yuo want to try and convince a Muslim that Allah didn't know what the fuck he was talking about when he proclaimed Homosexuality as being an abhorrent sin, then the best of luck to yuo sir, yuo're gonna need it

and since, yuo mentioned extreme-Islam, it doesn't get much more extreme than in the middle-east, so it amazes me that someone like Volcana would find such solidarity with someone like Arafat, especially as Palestinians are not very keen on black people either. In spite of Volcana's attempts to portray the USA as being a country that is controlled by a bunch of white racist fundi-christians, the fact of the matter is, that although the situation is not perfect, the USA is one of the most tolerant countries in the world, not only for gays, but blacks and other minorites as well. I'm sure it hasn't escaped yuor notice that just recently, Smirk made Condi Rice the most powerful black female the world has ever seen, and there's a chance she might become even more powerful in 4 fours years time. I'd vote for her - D N T

Car Key Boi
Nov 25th, 2004, 07:28 PM
one more thing, and yuo should all know by now that the Car Key Boi is always right

same-sex marraige in the USA is gonna happen, i can't give yuo a timescale, could be 5 years, could be 10, could be 15, whatever, but it's gonna happen, it's as sure as night follows day

and it's gonna happen under a REPUBLICAN administration, and it will happen because of liberal conservatives (or conservative liberals if yuo want) like myself, kiwifan and The Diva, and not because of clowns like Volcana shouting in the street waving a "Queers for Palestine" banner

that is all

Martian Willow
Nov 25th, 2004, 08:26 PM
Please cut the fucking shit OKAY because I can slam verses of the bible in your face which clearly allows men to rape women that have been disobedient. The difference between islam in christianity is it's following. I doubt any of you "christians" actually read the damn thing.

I'm not aware that any Christians have posted in this thread thus far, so I'm not sure who this post is directed towards.

However, I will point out that, as far as I understand things, there is a fundamental difference between Christianity and Islam. To be a Christian means to be a follower of Christ, rather than a believer in the Bible, so although the Bible is the main source of information about Christ, one can be a Christian without necessarily accepting many of the things written therein. On the other hand, to be a Muslim specifically means to accept the Koran as the word of god, as related by Mohammed, so there are no get out clauses. If the Koran says it's OK to beat your wife, a Muslim by definition believes it's OK to beat your wife.

As far as CKBs point goes, it is obvious that in America, and in particular those parts of America where power lies, Christianity is the dominant religion, so clearly where issues of America policy are concerned, Christianity is the relevant religion.

If Volcana is, like me, a secularist, he will believe that although he may not accept the beliefs of Muslims, he accepts their right to believe them, and so will defend them where they are under siege. He will also believe in the separation of state and church, and therefore not be in favour of religious persons dictating government policy at home. There is no contradiction here.

:)

Hulet
Nov 25th, 2004, 08:54 PM
Blah...blah...blah.. Palestinians are not very keen on black people either. Blah ... blah ... blah
I only met one person from Palestine. In college. This Palestinian girl. She was my friend or close acquitance for two years until she transfered to another department. Nice girl and hot too. And, she was definately keen on me although not to the degree I was keen on her, if you know what I mean. :o :)

So, there goes your theory.

Btw, have you ever met/become friends with any Palestinian or other individuals from the ME? Try it out. It might change some of your opinions which your preacher seem to have dictated to you.

Car Key Boi
Dec 2nd, 2004, 10:20 PM
I'm not aware that any Christians have posted in this thread thus far, so I'm not sure who this post is directed towards.

However, I will point out that, as far as I understand things, there is a fundamental difference between Christianity and Islam. To be a Christian means to be a follower of Christ, rather than a believer in the Bible, so although the Bible is the main source of information about Christ, one can be a Christian without necessarily accepting many of the things written therein. On the other hand, to be a Muslim specifically means to accept the Koran as the word of god, as related by Mohammed, so there are no get out clauses. If the Koran says it's OK to beat your wife, a Muslim by definition believes it's OK to beat your wife.

As far as CKBs point goes, it is obvious that in America, and in particular those parts of America where power lies, Christianity is the dominant religion, so clearly where issues of America policy are concerned, Christianity is the relevant religion.

If Volcana is, like me, a secularist, he will believe that although he may not accept the beliefs of Muslims, he accepts their right to believe them, and so will defend them where they are under siege. He will also believe in the separation of state and church, and therefore not be in favour of religious persons dictating government policy at home. There is no contradiction here.

:)
NICE SPIN, BUT NO CIGAR

YUO OBVIOUSLY HAVE NO IDEA OF THE MINDLESS ISLAMPHILIA WHICH IS PREVELANT WITH HIPPIES LIKE VOLCANA. YUOR SEPARATION OF STATE AND CHURCH ARGUMENT DOESN'T WASH. YUO OBVIOUSLY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS HAPPENING IN CALI SCHOOLS (AND OTHER STATES THAT ARE HIPPIE CLUSTERFUCKS)

KEYWORDS: BYRON SCHOOL CALIFORNIA "I'M A MUSLIM" ACLU

GOOGLE IT IF YUO HAVE TO, SON

Car Key Boi
Dec 2nd, 2004, 10:34 PM
I only met one person from Palestine. In college. This Palestinian girl. She was my friend or close acquitance for two years until she transfered to another department. Nice girl and hot too. And, she was definately keen on me although not to the degree I was keen on her, if you know what I mean. :o :)

So, there goes your theory.

Btw, have you ever met/become friends with any Palestinian or other individuals from the ME? Try it out. It might change some of your opinions which your preacher seem to have dictated to you.
ONCE AGAIN, NICE SPIN, BUT NO CIGAR

LET US BE CLEAR ON THIS: THERE ARE AS MANY GAY MUSLIMS PER CAPITA, AS THERE ARE IN THE USA (OR ANY OTHER COUNTRY FOR THAT MATTER)

HOW A GAY MUSLIM COMES TO TERMS WITH BEING GAY WHEN THE KORAN CLEARLY STATES THAT IT IS STRICTLY FORBIDDEN, I CAN ONLY GUESS

PERHAPS THEY BELIEVE IT TO BE SO, BUT "PRAY TO ALLAH" TO SUPPRESS THEIR GAYNESS

I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THERE ARE CHRISTIAN TARDS ON THIS VERY BOARD WHO ARE REPRESSED GAYS (SOMEONE POSTED SOMETHING ABOUT SURFING GAY PORN SITES BUT "THANKS TO JESUS" HE IS NOW A STRAIGHT BOI

AND YES, FYI I HAVE TRAVELED TO THE MIDDLE-EAST SO I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT YUOR AVERAGE PALI TARD (YUOR FRIEND ISN'T, AVERAGE PALI TARD DOESN'T HAVE THE LOOT TO GET THEMSELVES AN EDUCATION IN THE WEST) IS SIMILAR TO YUOR AVERAGE KKK TARD

FACT THAT SUX: THEY BOTH HATE JEWS, BLACKS AND GAYS. SAME HATE. DIFFERENT ORDER

Sam L
Dec 2nd, 2004, 10:40 PM
I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THERE ARE CHRISTIAN TARDS ON THIS VERY BOARD WHO ARE REPRESSED GAYS (SOMEONE POSTED SOMETHING ABOUT SURFING GAY PORN SITES BUT "THANKS TO JESUS" HE IS NOW A STRAIGHT BOI
Give me a fucking break!.. Yeah CKB, I know exactly the type of people you're talking about. They're pathetic, and have serious issues.

Underneath all that, you do have some very good points. But like I said, fundamentalism and extremism are the real enemies. In fact, really with the absence of religion, the world would be a much better place. Maybe, we should all strive toward that.

vertigo
Dec 2nd, 2004, 10:47 PM
Hey. I'm a Christian and I agree with most of Volcana's posts. I am not a fundamentalist, nor an American evangelical- so I think many of my opinions would differ to those to many US Christians, and yes the Christian faith is very divided on some issues but NOT all. however- DunkMachine I would love to see those verses that justify rape in the Bible?

Car Key Boi
Dec 2nd, 2004, 11:06 PM
Give me a fucking break!.. Yeah CKB, I know exactly the type of people you're talking about. They're pathetic, and have serious issues.

Underneath all that, you do have some very good points. But like I said, fundamentalism and extremism are the real enemies. In fact, really with the absence of religion, the world would be a much better place. Maybe, we should all strive toward that.
IT'LL NEVER HAPPEN, SON

TRY AND CONVINCE A MUSLIM THAT THE KORAN WAS A MASSIVE TROLL BY SOME MOHAMMED DUDE, AND THAT IT AIN'T REALLY THE DIVINE WORD OF ALLAH

LIKEWISE

TRY AND CONVINCE A CHRISTIAN TARD THAT JESUS WASN'T THE SON OF GOD, INSTEAD HE WAS SOME JEWISH HIPPIE THAT PULLED OFF THE GREATEST TROLL IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD

AND SO ON AND SO FORTH

LIKE I SAID, IT'LL NEVER HAPPEN, SON

sartrista7
Dec 3rd, 2004, 09:18 AM
Mindless Islamophilia is more dangerous than mindless Islamophobia, yeah I've been saying that for years now. It does not mean anyone should hold back on the Xtian-bashing though; in order for gays to acquire full civil rights they have to fight against a predominantly Xtian discourse. What Islam says about gays is more or less irrelevant to gay rights in the west.

I disagree about the Republicans bringing in gay marriage, though: not as long as they depend on the religious right for their power base, rather than social liberals like CKB.

Hulet
Dec 3rd, 2004, 09:53 AM
ONCE AGAIN, NICE SPIN, BUT NO CIGAR

LET US BE CLEAR ON THIS: THERE ARE AS MANY GAY MUSLIMS PER CAPITA, AS THERE ARE IN THE USA (OR ANY OTHER COUNTRY FOR THAT MATTER)

HOW A GAY MUSLIM COMES TO TERMS WITH BEING GAY WHEN THE KORAN CLEARLY STATES THAT IT IS STRICTLY FORBIDDEN, I CAN ONLY GUESS

PERHAPS THEY BELIEVE IT TO BE SO, BUT "PRAY TO ALLAH" TO SUPPRESS THEIR GAYNESS

I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THERE ARE CHRISTIAN TARDS ON THIS VERY BOARD WHO ARE REPRESSED GAYS (SOMEONE POSTED SOMETHING ABOUT SURFING GAY PORN SITES BUT "THANKS TO JESUS" HE IS NOW A STRAIGHT BOI

AND YES, FYI I HAVE TRAVELED TO THE MIDDLE-EAST SO I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT YUOR AVERAGE PALI TARD (YUOR FRIEND ISN'T, AVERAGE PALI TARD DOESN'T HAVE THE LOOT TO GET THEMSELVES AN EDUCATION IN THE WEST) IS SIMILAR TO YUOR AVERAGE KKK TARD

FACT THAT SUX: THEY BOTH HATE JEWS, BLACKS AND GAYS. SAME HATE. DIFFERENT ORDER
Dude, first of all, you need to buy a new keyboard - preferably one with a working caps lock key.

Second, stop going on a tangent. My post said nothing about how muslims or the koran views gays. So, i don't see the link at all to my post. :confused:

Third, one doesn't need to "have a loot to get education in the west", I didn't have a dime when I arrived here, yet I am educated or I would like think so. So that part of your arguments doesn't hold up.

I am glad you "travelled" through the middle-east. Were you able to really form a friendship with muslims through this travell, though? Or, you just observed them through the tourist's far-removed-lens? I am very curious to learn how you were able to personally observe their hatred for blacks.

Car Key Boi
Dec 3rd, 2004, 08:42 PM
Dude, first of all, you need to buy a new keyboard - preferably one with a working caps lock key.

Second, stop going on a tangent. My post said nothing about how muslims or the koran views gays. So, i don't see the link at all to my post. :confused:

Third, one doesn't need to "have a loot to get education in the west", I didn't have a dime when I arrived here, yet I am educated or I would like think so. So that part of your arguments doesn't hold up.

I am glad you "travelled" through the middle-east. Were you able to really form a friendship with muslims through this travell, though? Or, you just observed them through the tourist's far-removed-lens? I am very curious to learn how you were able to personally observe their hatred for blacks.
the capslock is off, for now

yuo're obviously one of those people who get into a hissy fit about "generalizations". It goes without saying that not EVERYONE from the Middle-East hates Jews, blacks etc. likewise it goes without saying that not EVERYONE from say, Mass USA, are hippie wackos, especially in Boston, it's not as liberal as people might think, has a large Irish Catholic community who are very anti-gay, anti-abortion etc. Likewise, it goes without saying that not EVERYONE who lives in, say Tennessee, is a bible-bashing redneck moran

however

it is still a fact that sux, that for the most part, the Middle-East is one of the, if not THE most homophobic region on earth

second is probably eastern eurotard, although i hear that things are improving over there, but they're still not ready to accept the sight of seeing two gay men kissing each other in the street

third, and it saddens me to say so, is probably the Caribbean region (in case yuo didn't know, i'm married to a Caribbean gurl, 1st year anniversary is in a few days) In spite of their laid-back appearance, Caribbean tards are, for the most part, a very conservative bunch and it is a homophobic culture (fortunately, Mrs Key Boi is not this way, probably because she has worked and lived in the US for a considerable time, and was educated, for the most part, in the UK)

two openly gay men walking down the street holding hands in say, Bridgetown, would attract some hostile looks but nothing more. Probably.

this is not the case in most of hte Middle-East, and certainly not the case in Palestine. More than likely, those two gay men would be beaten, and perhaps killed, on the spot, especially if they happen to be black

this is the way it is, and no amount of spin or personal accounts on yuor part, will change that fact that sux

that is all

Martian Willow
Dec 3rd, 2004, 08:50 PM
http://www.google.com/search?q=BYRON SCHOOL CALIFORNIA "I'M A MUSLIM" ACLU

:scratch:

A secularist would be against any denominational schools. Obviously secularists aren't running things in California. If you're not against Christian schools, you can't be against Muslim schools and still accuse other people of hypocrisy. I am a secularist and my position is entirely consistent. Thank you.

Jem
Dec 3rd, 2004, 09:08 PM
I'm not aware that any Christians have posted in this thread thus far, so I'm not sure who this post is directed towards.

However, I will point out that, as far as I understand things, there is a fundamental difference between Christianity and Islam. To be a Christian means to be a follower of Christ, rather than a believer in the Bible, so although the Bible is the main source of information about Christ, one can be a Christian without necessarily accepting many of the things written therein. On the other hand, to be a Muslim specifically means to accept the Koran as the word of god, as related by Mohammed, so there are no get out clauses. If the Koran says it's OK to beat your wife, a Muslim by definition believes it's OK to beat your wife.
:)
Hi, Willow. I try to avoid comments in posts like this, because of the disagreement, but I don't believe you have the facts completely straight on this one. Certainly, you may believe that a Christian is someone who follows Christ, rather than a believer in the Bible. But to the majority of Christians, this view does not hold water. In the Gospel of John, it states, chapter 1, verse 1: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Then later in verse 14, it notes "And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us ... full of grace and truth." As this states and as most Christians believe, Jesus was the fulfillment of God's Word, and thus is inextricably linked to the Bible. As Christ himself noted, he was not sent to overturn the Word, but to fulfill it. If one believes in Christ as the fulfillment of the Word -- a basic tenant of Christianity -- then they must be a believer in the Bible. While given a strict dictionary definition of "Christian" being a follower of Christ and his teachings may suggest that from a secular point of view that one can believe in Christ without believing in the Bible, I don't think most Christians would buy it.

Just wanted to add my two cents to your thoughts -- no harm intended! Have a great day!

Martian Willow
Dec 3rd, 2004, 09:18 PM
Hi, Willow. I try to avoid comments in posts like this, because of the disagreement, but I don't believe you have the facts completely straight on this one. Certainly, you may believe that a Christian is someone who follows Christ, rather than a believer in the Bible. But to the majority of Christians, this view does not hold water. In the Gospel of John, it states, chapter 1, verse 1: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Then later in verse 14, it notes "And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us ... full of grace and truth." As this states and as most Christians believe, Jesus was the fulfillment of God's Word, and thus is inextricably linked to the Bible. As Christ himself noted, he was not sent to overturn the Word, but to fulfill it. If one believes in Christ as the fulfillment of the Word -- a basic tenant of Christianity -- then they must be a believer in the Bible. While given a strict dictionary definition of "Christian" being a follower of Christ and his teachings may suggest that from a secular point of view that one can believe in Christ without believing in the Bible, I don't think most Christians would buy it.

Just wanted to add my two cents to your thoughts -- no harm intended! Have a great day!

http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=139515

By 'word', I take it you mean the old testament?

:wavey:

Car Key Boi
Dec 3rd, 2004, 09:27 PM
Mindless Islamophilia is more dangerous than mindless Islamophobia, yeah I've been saying that for years now. It does not mean anyone should hold back on the Xtian-bashing though; in order for gays to acquire full civil rights they have to fight against a predominantly Xtian discourse. What Islam says about gays is more or less irrelevant to gay rights in the west.

I disagree about the Republicans bringing in gay marriage, though: not as long as they depend on the religious right for their power base, rather than social liberals like CKB.
let us be clear

both the repubs and the demotards depend on the MODERATES

when push comes to shove, the WACKO HIPPIES will always vote Dem, and likewise the WACKO FUNDI-CHRISTIAN TARDS will always vote Repub, no matter what

it is the MODERATES who DECIDE who sits in the White House

the dems are fucked. They had everything going for them, economy stuttering, things in Iraq not going as well as hoped, and so on and so forth, and they still couldn't beat the Smirk. There is no way they are going to win in 08, or in the forseable future for that matter

also, know this

Christianity, especially FUNDI-CHRISTIANITY, is on the wane

has been for some time, especially in Eurotard, US will soon catch up and there is nothing that the Fundi-Christians like Justinetime can do to stop this decline

Dunkmachine is quite correct. A lot of 'Christians', especially the yuongsters, haven't read the bible, and although these yuongsters may be dragged to church every Sunday by their parents to sing hymns and give thanks to God etc, their minds are somewhere else, perhaps the hoop game that they've arranged with their buddies later on, or perhaps tomorrow night's big NFL game, whatever

so, Fundi-Christianity is on the wane. Unfortunately, Fundi-Islam is on the up, not only in the US, but especially in Eurotard, I believe the Dutch and Bellgim tards on this board are witnessing this first hand...

not a good thing for gay-rights, because most of those Fundi-Muslims who are/become US citizens, will have the power to vote against any gay marriage referendum. But don't worry, it'll all come good in the end. Same-sex unions WILL happen in certain states DURING SMIRK'S FINAL TERM, and eventually same-sex marriage will follow, can't say when, but it WILL happen thanks to the LIBERAL CONSERVATIVES and not the WACKO HIPPIES like Volcana

of course, he and his ilk will take credit for it, because that is the kind of attention-whores that they are, but it's all good, they can make all the noise they want and bask in the glory, whereas the LIBERAL CONSERVATIVES like myself, the Diva and the kiwifan, will quietly look at each other, and exchange a knowing nod and a smile

once again, the Car Key Boi is always right :cool: