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Volcana
Nov 10th, 2004, 05:07 AM
Just a note. The name Cynthia McKinney may not mean much to most of you. She was however, the first member of Congress to say that the Bush administration ignored warnings about September 11th, and also stated that members of the BUsh administration might have benefitted financially.

In the anti-dissent America of 2002, she was not surprisingly defeated. But what is surprising is, she won re-election to congress, in Georgia, in 2004! And without back-tracking, or retraction. SO we do know there will be a least a little 'speaking truth to power' when Congress comes back into session.

All is not gloom and doom.

Rtael
Nov 10th, 2004, 05:08 AM
:)

Sam L
Nov 10th, 2004, 09:54 AM
YOU GO GIRL! :bounce:

Cam'ron Giles
Nov 10th, 2004, 12:06 PM
I like her...very outspoken and she is from a politcal family...her dad is very active in politics in Georgia...:D

lizchris
Nov 10th, 2004, 07:37 PM
What's even better is that the woman who beat her (with Repubican hellp), Denise Majette, was defeatd when she ran for the Senate in Georgia. I wonder where all those Repubicans were when she needed them?

cheesestix
Nov 10th, 2004, 08:16 PM
I like her...very outspoken and she is from a politcal family...her dad is very active in politics in Georgia...:D

Cynthia is a nut.

Oh yeah, Billy McKinney is a really great guy, too. He blames everything on "Jews". :rolleyes:

I guess it's not hard to understand why some of YOU actually like her.

Cam'ron Giles
Nov 10th, 2004, 08:22 PM
Cynthia is a nut.

Oh yeah, Billy McKinney is a really great guy, too. He blames everything on "Jews". :rolleyes:

I guess it's not hard to understand why some of YOU actually like her.
And its extremly easy to see why you hate them...:rolleyes:

lizchris
Nov 10th, 2004, 08:35 PM
Cynthia is a nut.

Oh yeah, Billy McKinney is a really great guy, too. He blames everything on "Jews". :rolleyes:

I guess it's not hard to understand why some of YOU actually like her.

If she is, then the 4th Congressional District in Georgia are full of nuts that voted for her. And BTW, her district is mostly white; I know because I have relatives who live in her district.

cheesestix
Nov 10th, 2004, 09:02 PM
And its extremly easy to see why you hate them...:rolleyes:

I don't hate them. But I do dislike them....BECAUSE THEY'RE NUTS! (which, btw, is the reason that I thought you guys liked them....unlike what YOU were probably thinking :rolleyes: )

BTW, they're also racist. Just listen to them talk.

Cam'ron Giles
Nov 10th, 2004, 09:04 PM
I don't hate them. But I do dislike them....BECAUSE THEY'RE NUTS! (which, btw, is the reason that I thought you guys liked them....unlike what YOU were probably thinking :rolleyes: )

BTW, they're also racist. Just listen to them talk.
You have the nerve to let the "r" word slip out your mouth...Whats the say about pot, kettle and black again? :lol:

Cam'ron Giles
Nov 10th, 2004, 09:06 PM
I think you are one of "those" white men(?) who are terrified of knowledgeable blacks who are not afraid to share the knowledge and not allow their people to be hoodwinked by white politicians...:scared:

cheesestix
Nov 10th, 2004, 09:17 PM
If she is, then the 4th Congressional District in Georgia are full of nuts that voted for her. And BTW, her district is mostly white; I know because I have relatives who live in her district.

Oooh, you have relatives there??? Big deal. :rolleyes:

Most of that district is pretty much all of DeKalb County. (and the southern part of Gwinnett County)

Here's a blurb about DeKalb County demographics....

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/DeKalb-County,-Georgia

As of the census2 of 2000, there are 665,865 people, 249,339 households, and 156,584 families residing in the county. The population density is 959/km≤ (2,483/mi≤). There are 261,231 housing units at an average density of 376/km≤ (974/mi≤). The racial makeup of the county is 35.82% White, 54.23% Black or African American, 0.23% Native American, 4.01% Asian, 0.05% Pacific Islander, 3.53% from other races, and 2.12% from two or more races. 7.89% of the population are Hispanic or Latino of any race.

You were saying???? :rolleyes:

cheesestix
Nov 10th, 2004, 09:18 PM
You have the nerve to let the "r" word slip out your mouth...Whats the say about pot, kettle and black again? :lol:

Show me anything that I've said that was racist??? :rolleyes:

Oh yeah, that's right. I don't like the WS, so I must be racist. :rolleyes:

Cam'ron Giles
Nov 10th, 2004, 09:20 PM
Oooh, you have relatives there??? Big deal. :rolleyes:

Most of that district is pretty much all of DeKalb County. (and the southern part of Gwinnett County)

Here's a blurb about DeKalb County demographics....

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/DeKalb-County,-Georgia

As of the census2 of 2000, there are 665,865 people, 249,339 households, and 156,584 families residing in the county. The population density is 959/km≤ (2,483/mi≤). There are 261,231 housing units at an average density of 376/km≤ (974/mi≤). The racial makeup of the county is 35.82% White, 54.23% Black or African American, 0.23% Native American, 4.01% Asian, 0.05% Pacific Islander, 3.53% from other races, and 2.12% from two or more races. 7.89% of the population are Hispanic or Latino of any race.

You were saying???? :rolleyes:
What about Gwinett? There is nothing black about Gwinet...:rolleyes:

Volcana
Nov 10th, 2004, 09:23 PM
What about Gwinett? There is nothing black about Gwinet...:rolleyes:Here's the blurb, from the same source, about Gwinnett County http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Gwinnett-County,-Georgia

As of the census2 (http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Geographic-references) of 2000 (http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/2000), there are 588,448 people, 202,317 households, and 152,344 families residing in the county. The population density is 525/km≤ (1,360/mi≤). There are 209,682 housing units at an average density of 187/km≤ (485/mi≤). The racial makeup of the county is 72.71% White (http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Race-(U.S.-census)), 13.29% Black (http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Race-(U.S.-census)) or African American (http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Race-(U.S.-census)), 0.28% Native American (http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Race-(U.S.-census)), 7.20% Asian (http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Race-(U.S.-census)), 0.04% Pacific Islander (http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Race-(U.S.-census)), 4.32% from other races, and 2.15% from two or more races. 10.90% of the population are Hispanic (http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Race-(U.S.-census)) or Latino (http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Race-(U.S.-census)) of any race.

lizchris
Nov 10th, 2004, 09:25 PM
Oooh, you have relatives there??? Big deal. :rolleyes:

Most of that district is pretty much all of DeKalb County. (and the southern part of Gwinnett County)

Here's a blurb about DeKalb County demographics....

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/DeKalb-County,-Georgia

As of the census2 of 2000, there are 665,865 people, 249,339 households, and 156,584 families residing in the county. The population density is 959/km≤ (2,483/mi≤). There are 261,231 housing units at an average density of 376/km≤ (974/mi≤). The racial makeup of the county is 35.82% White, 54.23% Black or African American, 0.23% Native American, 4.01% Asian, 0.05% Pacific Islander, 3.53% from other races, and 2.12% from two or more races. 7.89% of the population are Hispanic or Latino of any race.

You were saying???? :rolleyes:
Her district includes parts of Burke County and that ounty is mostly whtie. I must have had the congressional district number wrong because DeKalb County includes parts of surburban Atlanta, which are mostly black, hence those demographics but McKinney definitely does not represent DeKalb county and never has.

lizchris
Nov 10th, 2004, 09:26 PM
Show me anything that I've said that was racist??? :rolleyes:

Oh yeah, that's right. I don't like the WS, so I must be racist. :rolleyes:

You don't like them because they are sucessfu, and black, somthing whites fear most.:rolleyes:

Volcana
Nov 10th, 2004, 09:29 PM
Her district includes parts of Burke County and that ounty is mostly whtie. I must have had the congressional district number wrong because DeKalb County includes parts of surburban Atlanta, which are mostly black, hence those demographics but McKinney definitely does not represent DeKalb county and never has.THis link is to an archived copy of Cynthia McKinney's website in 2002. http://www.ratical.org/co-globalize/CynthiaMcKinney/d4/index.html

If you follow the link, you'll see she represented Georigia's fourth Congressional district at the time, which was, in fact, made up of DeKalb country, and part of Gwinnett.

She won 60% of the vote this time, by the way. So by definition, her support had to be multi-racial. No one group makes up 60% of Dekalb county. It's a very multi-ethnic place.

cheesestix
Nov 10th, 2004, 09:31 PM
I think you are one of "those" white men(?) who are terrified of knowledgeable blacks who are not afraid to share the knowledge and not allow their people to be hoodwinked by white politicians...:scared:

I'm certainly not terrified of those whackos. And I'm sure Cynthia is intelligent, but it's her racial politics that I don't care for. She's nuts. Her father is nuts. He's made anti-semitic remarks that he never apologized for. And supposedly he threatened to pull a knife on someone at the GA HOR. And from what I've heard, he flat out said that he wouldn't do anything to serve the white communities in his district. That's one reason that he lost to John Noel a few years ago.

Maybe you should read up about Cynthia and Billy before opening your mouth. I think that I know a little more about it than you do.

cheesestix
Nov 10th, 2004, 09:33 PM
What about Gwinett? There is nothing black about Gwinet...:rolleyes:

It ain't necessarily white either.

It's only the southern part of Gwinnett anyway. MOST of that district is DeKalb County.

cheesestix
Nov 10th, 2004, 09:34 PM
Here's the blurb, from the same source, about Gwinnett County http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Gwinnett-County,-Georgia

As of the census2 (http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Geographic-references) of 2000 (http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/2000), there are 588,448 people, 202,317 households, and 152,344 families residing in the county. The population density is 525/km≤ (1,360/mi≤). There are 209,682 housing units at an average density of 187/km≤ (485/mi≤). The racial makeup of the county is 72.71% White (http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Race-(U.S.-census)), 13.29% Black (http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Race-(U.S.-census)) or African American (http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Race-(U.S.-census)), 0.28% Native American (http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Race-(U.S.-census)), 7.20% Asian (http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Race-(U.S.-census)), 0.04% Pacific Islander (http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Race-(U.S.-census)), 4.32% from other races, and 2.15% from two or more races. 10.90% of the population are Hispanic (http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Race-(U.S.-census)) or Latino (http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Race-(U.S.-census)) of any race.

But that district is MOSTLY DeKalb County. Only a small PART of Gwinnett County is in that district.

lizchris
Nov 10th, 2004, 09:36 PM
THis link is to an archived copy of Cynthia McKinney's website in 2002. http://www.ratical.org/co-globalize/CynthiaMcKinney/d4/index.html

If you follow the link, you'll see she represented Georigia's fourth Congressional district at the time, which was, in fact, made up of DeKalb country, and part of Gwinnett.

She won 60% of the vote this time, by the way. So by definition, her support had to be multi-racial. No one group makes up 60% of Dekalb county. It's a very multi-ethnic place.

But that was 2002; wasn't she voted out that year?

Plus wasn't her district redrawn per the 2000 Census?

Volcana
Nov 10th, 2004, 09:39 PM
She's nuts.Any chance you could provide us with links to whatever makes you question her sanity?
Her father is nuts.Any chance you could provide us with links to whatever makes you question HIS sanity?
He's made anti-semitic remarks that he never apologized for.Any chance of links to those? BTW, that might make him anti-Jewish, but that isn't evidence, per se, of being mentally unbalanced.
And supposedly he threatened to pull a knife on someone at the GA HOR.You worded that like it was a rumor. Is there any evidence that this is fact happened? A Congressman threatening to knife someone should make news.
And from what I've heard, he flat out said that he wouldn't do anything to serve the white communities in his district.Again, you worded that like it was a rumor. Is there any evidence that this is fact happened?
Maybe you should read up about Cynthia and Billy before opening your mouth. I think that I know a little more about it than you do.Actually, I did 'read up'. However, I'm taking the opportunity to learn more from somebody who obviously has difference sources than I do. Namely you.

Which of the things you cite are facts, which are opinion and which are rumor?

lizchris
Nov 10th, 2004, 09:39 PM
:http://cache.wtaworld.com/wtaworld/ubb/icons/icon11.giflizchrishttp://cache.wtaworld.com/wtaworld/ubb/icons/icon11.gif:
You can joke all you want; it's the truth.

Volcana
Nov 10th, 2004, 09:42 PM
But that was 2002; wasn't she voted out that year?Yes. That was just my response to you saying she'd never represented DeKalb. If you like on her 2002 site, she has a map of her district, which clearly contains most, if not not all of Dekalb. (I have relatives in Stone Mountain and Lythonia.)

Plus wasn't her district redrawn per the 2000 Census?Having no idea.

lizchris
Nov 10th, 2004, 09:42 PM
I didn't joke. :)
Too bad you and cheesestix are.

Volcana
Nov 10th, 2004, 09:43 PM
But that district is MOSTLY DeKalb County. Only a small PART of Gwinnett County is in that district. The question would, of course, be how heavily populated is that part of Gwinnett, relative to the whole? I can tell you the area is fairly heavily settled, and multi-ethnic, at least during business hours. And 60% of the vote is a nice chunk. It's not like her support among the Black population is unilateral.

cheesestix
Nov 10th, 2004, 09:45 PM
You don't like them because they are sucessfu, and black, somthing whites fear most.:rolleyes:

That's bullshit. A white person isn't allowed to dislike anyone that's black and successful, or else they're automatically labeled as "threatened by their success" as opposed to any other reason....e.g. them saying bad things about white people, and them being whacko. :rolleyes:

If what you said were true, then I would not like ANY successful black person. So why do I like, for example, Denzel Washington, Halle Berry, Oprah Winfrey, Terrell Owens, Barrack Obama, etc? Kinda invalidates your whole statement, doesn't it?

lizchris
Nov 10th, 2004, 09:45 PM
Yes. That was just my response to you saying she'd never represented DeKalb. If you like on her 2002 site, she has a map of her district, which clearly contains most, if not not all of Dekalb. (I have relatives in Stone Mountain and Lythonia.)

Having no idea.
It wouldn't surprise me if her district was redrawn during her last term and that is why she was voted out.

Volcana
Nov 10th, 2004, 09:49 PM
It wouldn't surprise me if her district was redrawn during her last term and that is why she was voted out.I would think that was not why she was voted out. She was voted back into the fourth district, the same district she was voted out of.

I think she was voted out, more than anything else, becasue she was the one Congressperson who really loudly challenged and criticized the Bush administration handling of pre-9/11 terorist threats. At that time, a lot of people were really scared, and the Bush administration was VERY popular. Anyone who criticized them was quite likely to be voted out.

The fact that the same district voted her back in, and by such a large margin, in a state Bush carried, is actually more remarkable.

lizchris
Nov 10th, 2004, 09:49 PM
That's bullshit. A white person isn't allowed to dislike anyone that's black and successful, or else they're automatically labeled as "threatened by their success" as opposed to any other reason....e.g. them saying bad things about white people, and them being whacko. :rolleyes:

If what you said were true, then I would not like ANY successful black person. So why do I like, for example, Denzel Washington, Halle Berry, Oprah Winfrey, Terrell Owens, Barrack Obama, etc? Kinda invalidates your whole statement, doesn't it?

I should have prefaced my statement with them being in a sport that is predomiately white because there are whites who do not like them because they excel in tennis and they are black.

I am not impressed by the list of black people you say you like, two of who are even really black (Berry and Obama have white mothers, so they are not black) and the other who is a damn fool (Owens).

cheesestix
Nov 10th, 2004, 09:49 PM
It wouldn't surprise me if her district was redrawn during her last term and that is why she was voted out.

Actually, a lot of Republicans got organized and voted for Majette. That's why McKinney was voted out.

lizchris
Nov 10th, 2004, 09:53 PM
I would think not. She was voted back into the fourth district, the same district she was voted out of.

I think she was voted out, more than anything else, becasue she was the one Congressperson who really loudly challenged and criticized the Bush administration handling of pre-9/11 terorist threats. At that time, a lot of people were really scared, and the Bush administration was VERY popular. Anyone who criticized them was quite likely to be voted out.

The fact that the same district voted her back in, and by such a large margin, in a state Bush carried, is actually more remarkable.

But it also depends on who her opponent was.

lizchris
Nov 10th, 2004, 09:53 PM
Actually, a lot of Republicans got organized and voted for Majette. That's why McKinney was voted out.
I think I said that before in this thread, so why are you repeating it?

Volcana
Nov 10th, 2004, 09:54 PM
Actually, a lot of Republicans got organized and voted for Majette. That's why McKinney was voted out.This is a sidebar, but why didn't they support Majette during her Senate run? In 2002, McKinney accused Majette, who ran as a Democrat, of being a closet Republican. Was Isakson simply a vastly superior candidate? And if so, why abandon what should have been a safe Congressional seat?

cheesestix
Nov 10th, 2004, 10:01 PM
I should have prefaced my statement with them being in a sport that is predomiately white because there are whites who do not like them because they excel in tennis and they are black.

How about Herm Edwards and Tony Dungy? They're black coaches who are succeeding in a predominantly white field...NFL head coaches. I like them. Again, blows your theory out of the water.

I am not impressed by the list of black people you say you like, two of who are even really black (Berry and Obama have white mothers, so they are not black) and the other who is a damn fool (Owens).

That's funny. Whenever it's "convenient", I've heard people saying that if 1% of you is black, then you're black, whenever they've wanted to "claim" someone as one of their own. But now that it's convenient to go in the opposite direction, you're saying these people aren't black. :rolleyes:

I was just throwing out some examples. Should I list others? BTW, I didn't know that Halle and Obama had a white parent, so wouldn't that still make them black in my eyes? :rolleyes: It's not like I researched and said "Well, these people look black, but...oh, nevermind...they have a white parent, so I can like them..." :rolleyes: And Owens is arguably the best receiver in the league.

The common thread = they're all successful blacks. And I like them. Still invalidates your statement.

cheesestix
Nov 10th, 2004, 10:06 PM
I think I said that before in this thread, so why are you repeating it?

Why were you speculating about why she got voted out when you already knew the answer then? :rolleyes:

cheesestix
Nov 10th, 2004, 10:12 PM
THis link is to an archived copy of Cynthia McKinney's website in 2002. http://www.ratical.org/co-globalize/CynthiaMcKinney/d4/index.html


If you follow the link, you'll see she represented Georigia's fourth Congressional district at the time, which was, in fact, made up of DeKalb country, and part of Gwinnett.

She won 60% of the vote this time, by the way. So by definition, her support had to be multi-racial. No one group makes up 60% of Dekalb county. It's a very multi-ethnic place.

:lol:

SLAM! Guess she showed you, lizchris!!!!

cheesestix
Nov 10th, 2004, 10:16 PM
This is a sidebar, but why didn't they support Majette during her Senate run? In 2002, McKinney accused Majette, who ran as a Democrat, of being a closet Republican. Was Isakson simply a vastly superior candidate? And if so, why abandon what should have been a safe Congressional seat?

Isakson is Republican. GA is a Republican state. What more do you need to know?

As for Majette giving up her seat, I have no idea. Maybe she thought all of those Republicans that backed her against McKinney would back her again? Maybe she got a little too big for her britches.

Cam'ron Giles
Nov 10th, 2004, 10:37 PM
Yes, her district was redrawn...:rolleyes:

lizchris
Nov 11th, 2004, 02:42 PM
Isakson is Republican. GA is a Republican state. What more do you need to know?

As for Majette giving up her seat, I have no idea. Maybe she thought all of those Republicans that backed her against McKinney would back her again? Maybe she got a little too big for her britches.
No, she was just stupid. And now she is out of office.

lizchris
Nov 11th, 2004, 02:45 PM
:lol:

SLAM! Guess she showed you, lizchris!!!!
Uh, no she didn't asshole because her district was different in 2000 (when the census was taken) than it was in 2002. More whites were added to her district, hence the loss in 2002. This year, her opponent was probably weak, unpopular or both and therefore, was able to walk back into office.

lizchris
Nov 11th, 2004, 02:48 PM
How about Herm Edwards and Tony Dungy? They're black coaches who are succeeding in a predominantly white field...NFL head coaches. I like them. Again, blows your theory out of the water.



That's funny. Whenever it's "convenient", I've heard people saying that if 1% of you is black, then you're black, whenever they've wanted to "claim" someone as one of their own. But now that it's convenient to go in the opposite direction, you're saying these people aren't black. :rolleyes:

I was just throwing out some examples. Should I list others? BTW, I didn't know that Halle and Obama had a white parent, so wouldn't that still make them black in my eyes? :rolleyes: It's not like I researched and said "Well, these people look black, but...oh, nevermind...they have a white parent, so I can like them..." :rolleyes: And Owens is arguably the best receiver in the league.

The common thread = they're all successful blacks. And I like them. Still invalidates your statement.
He has a white mother also.

I have been consistent on who is black and who isn't; if a person has two black parents or a parent who is black and one who is half black, the person is black. If the person has a black parent and a parent who is white, Asian or a white Hispanic, then the person is racially mixed.

cheesestix
Nov 11th, 2004, 02:57 PM
He has a white mother also.

I have been consistent on who is black and who isn't; if a person has two black parents or a parent who is black and one who is half black, the person is black. If the person has a black parent and a parent who is white, Asian or a white Hispanic, then the person is racially mixed.

I've been in discussions like this before where people wanted to "claim" someone as black. And they always say that "if you're part black, you're black". :rolleyes:

Besides, what the hell does it matter to me if Herm Edwards' mother is white? I had no idea. To me, he looks black. Same with Halle Berry. It's dumb for people to say "Well, you don't really like these black people, because they're not really black." :rolleyes: Because, my perception is that they're black, and I happen to like them.

And like I said earlier, it's not like I researched and said "Well, these people look black, but...oh, nevermind...they have a white parent, so I can like them..." :rolleyes:

cheesestix
Nov 11th, 2004, 03:08 PM
Uh, no she didn't asshole because her district was different in 2000 (when the census was taken) than it was in 2002.

Uh, yes she did asshole because YOU said that DeKalb County was never part of McKinney's district.

Here's what you said:

Her district includes parts of Burke County and that ounty is mostly whtie. I must have had the congressional district number wrong because DeKalb County includes parts of surburban Atlanta, which are mostly black, hence those demographics but McKinney definitely does not represent DeKalb county and never has.

Not only does the 4th Congressional District contain DeKalb County NOW, but it also contained at least part of DeKalb County PRIOR to 2000!

So, you were WRONG!

http://www.cviog.uga.edu/Projects/gainfo/voter/cd4-zip.htm

And if you look at her district now, it contains most (if not all) of DeKalb County, which by the 2000 census numbers is over 50% black!

You were saying??? :rolleyes:

Rocketta
Nov 11th, 2004, 03:26 PM
Any chance you could provide us with links to whatever makes you question her sanity?
Any chance you could provide us with links to whatever makes you question HIS sanity?
Any chance of links to those? BTW, that might make him anti-Jewish, but that isn't evidence, per se, of being mentally unbalanced.
You worded that like it was a rumor. Is there any evidence that this is fact happened? A Congressman threatening to knife someone should make news.
Again, you worded that like it was a rumor. Is there any evidence that this is fact happened?
Actually, I did 'read up'. However, I'm taking the opportunity to learn more from somebody who obviously has difference sources than I do. Namely you.

Which of the things you cite are facts, which are opinion and which are rumor?
Volcana, I guess these questions will just be ignored...:tape:

cheesestix
Nov 11th, 2004, 03:30 PM
Volcana, I guess these questions will just be ignored...:tape:

You just ensured that they won't get answered. I don't answer to you! :rolleyes:

lizchris
Nov 11th, 2004, 03:55 PM
Uh, yes she did asshole because YOU said that DeKalb County was never part of McKinney's district.

Here's what you said:



Not only does the 4th Congressional District contain DeKalb County NOW, but it also contained at least part of DeKalb County PRIOR to 2000!

So, you were WRONG!

http://www.cviog.uga.edu/Projects/gainfo/voter/cd4-zip.htm

And if you look at her district now, it contains most (if not all) of DeKalb County, which by the 2000 census numbers is over 50% black!

You were saying??? :rolleyes:

I was wrong in assuming that her district was the 4th Congressional District and I admitted that.

lizchris
Nov 11th, 2004, 04:03 PM
I've been in discussions like this before where people wanted to "claim" someone as black. And they always say that "if you're part black, you're black". :rolleyes:

Besides, what the hell does it matter to me if Herm Edwards' mother is white? I had no idea. To me, he looks black. Same with Halle Berry. It's dumb for people to say "Well, you don't really like these black people, because they're not really black." :rolleyes: Because, my perception is that they're black, and I happen to like them.

And like I said earlier, it's not like I researched and said "Well, these people look black, but...oh, nevermind...they have a white parent, so I can like them..." :rolleyes:

You can preceive all you want, but unless the person has two balck parents, then the person isn't black, IMO.

Rocketta
Nov 11th, 2004, 04:05 PM
You just ensured that they won't get answered. I don't answer to you! :rolleyes:
Yeah that's the reason you're not going to answer them....:haha: :haha: :rolls: :rolls: :rolls: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Rocketta
Nov 11th, 2004, 04:06 PM
You can preceive all you want, but unless the person has two balck parents, then the person isn't black, IMO.
now liz, that's some big :bs:...don't know what it has to do with this topic but anyway...

Volcana
Nov 11th, 2004, 04:15 PM
Volcana, I guess these questions will just be ignored...:tape:Hey, if they're ignored, they're ignored. Until I see evidence to the contrary, I'll be working with the following suppositions.

Cynthia McKinney is a sane person.

Bill McKinney is a sane person.

Bill McKinney has never made any anti-Jewish remarks, and if he ever did, he apologized for them profusely.

Bill McKinney has never threatened to pull a knife on anyone anywhere, much less the Georgia House of Representatives.

Bill McKinney has been EXTREMELY helpful to his white constituents, and they in turn supported him strongly.

Cynthia and Bill McKinney both have political opponents who attempt to smear them with rumor, but who can't provide evidence to back it up. These are the rational and reasonable positions to take about anyone, absence evident. I don't assume people are violent or bigoted until I see examples of that in their behaviour. Just as I would never accept the reality thay someone was a rumor-monger who lacked all self-respect, until I saw examples of that in their behavior.

lizchris
Nov 11th, 2004, 04:49 PM
now liz, that's some big :bs:...don't know what it has to do with this topic but anyway...

It has nothing to do with the topic, but cheesestix brought up all thses black people he says he likes. Three of them are biracial and I pointed that out to him.

That's why I said IMO; it isn't an opinion that most people share, but that is what I have been taught (in school and at home).

cheesestix
Nov 11th, 2004, 05:03 PM
Read up!


http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/2002-08-28/news_scalawag.html

The Weekly Scalawag
J.E. "Billy" McKinney -- for keeping up his old tricks

BY SCOTT HENRY

Can someone please explain how Billy McKinney has managed to stay in politics for 30 years while remaining a belligerent, unreformed race-baiter, anti-Semite and homophobe with a disturbing tendency toward violence?
Last week, in explaining why his daughter was facing such tough re-election opposition, the 75-year-old state representative (for now, at least) spelled out for TV cameras: "J-E-W-S."

Wow, deja vu. Just six years ago, Cynthia McKinney was forced to boot her dad off her campaign after he called her opponent, John Mitnick, a "racist Jew." What earned Mitnick such antipathy? Simply alleging that the congresswoman had close ties to Louis Farrakhan -- the same Farrakhan she brought to town last week in a desperate bid to win over voters.

But Jews aren't the only group McKinney the elder holds in contempt. In the mid-'80s, he floated bills to require AIDS sufferers to register with local authorities, and to legalize sodomy -- but only for straight couples.

In 1994, he was fined by a federal court for threatening U.S. Rep. Gary Franks (R-Conn.). After the black congressman testified that Cynthia McKinney's district was improperly drawn, her father followed him from the courtroom to his car, called him a "Judas for the white man" and other slurs, and challenged him to fight.

Despite his age, Billy McKinney, a former Atlanta police officer, isn't shy about physical confrontation -- especially with women. In 1993, a gay-rights activist filed charges that he hit her in the mouth in Atlanta City Hall; in 2000, a DeKalb elections official accused him of grabbing her by the lapel when she came to find out why the McKinneys were inside a polling place stumping for last-second votes with a bullhorn.

Billy McKinney always has shown poor taste in friends, defending the scandal-plagued state Sen. Hildred Shumake, divisive Atlanta Councilwoman Sherry Dorsey and her husband, sheriff-turned-murderer Sidney Dorsey.

No one can accuse Billy McKinney of being a conformist. In 2000, he cast the sole vote against a House ethics bill, grousing: "I'm sick of this ethics stuff. I think we've got enough ethics."

The Weekly Scalawag is now accepting nominations. E-mail scott.henry@creativeloafing.com.


08.28.02

cheesestix
Nov 11th, 2004, 05:20 PM
Hey, if they're ignored, they're ignored. Until I see evidence to the contrary, I'll be working with the following suppositions.

Cynthia McKinney is a sane person.

Bill McKinney is a sane person.

Bill McKinney has never made any anti-Jewish remarks, and if he ever did, he apologized for them profusely.

Bill McKinney has never threatened to pull a knife on anyone anywhere, much less the Georgia House of Representatives.

Bill McKinney has been EXTREMELY helpful to his white constituents, and they in turn supported him strongly.

Cynthia and Bill McKinney both have political opponents who attempt to smear them with rumor, but who can't provide evidence to back it up. These are the rational and reasonable positions to take about anyone, absence evident. I don't assume people are violent or bigoted until I see examples of that in their behaviour. Just as I would never accept the reality thay someone was a rumor-monger who lacked all self-respect, until I saw examples of that in their behavior.

Why don't you look some of this stuff up yourself? :rolleyes:

Read up for yourself...my article proves some of it.

I contend that Billy McKinney:

.. is crazy...or at least racist.

...made anti-Jewish remarks in 1996 and again in 2002. So what are the chances of him ever "apologizing profusely"? :rolleyes: Cynthia buddies up with Farrakhan, so honestly, what do you think are the chances that either of them would say anything nice about Jewish people, let alone apologize for saying something bad? :rolleyes: FYI, it was a large Jewish contingent that voted Cynthia out in 2002.

...threatened another politican in the state house (or in the parking lot). I've heard several say that he threatened to pull a knife.

...threatened or assaulted other people.

...has no interest in helping the white areas of his district. Why do you think he was voted out in 2002? BTW, his district is mostly black. John Noel organized better and got his ass out.

Believe what you wanna believe. :rolleyes: You're just in denial.

Volcana
Nov 11th, 2004, 06:58 PM
Why don't you look some of this stuff up yourself?You made the claims. Surely you know where the sources are. All I asked was for you to provide links. I provide links to my sources when I make claims.
Read up for yourself...my article proves some of it.Your article comes from 'The Weekly Scalawag'. Which may in fact be a highly reputable source. I've just never heard of it. However, the remarks cited in the article are not, or are at least not necessarily, anti-Jewish.

According to youFYI, it was a large Jewish contingent that voted Cynthia out in 2002.If Karl Rove said 'B-L-A-C-K-S' was why Bush lost New York City, that wouldn't be a anti-Black comment. It would be true. I certainly wouldn't call him a racist over it.

And if John Mitnick IS Jewish, I fail to see the insult here. I don't know the guy a hole in the wall, so I don't know if he's racist or not. However, if McKinney fired her Dad over it, I have to assume the guy either isn't Jewish, or isn't a racist.

So what are the chances of him ever "apologizing profusely"? :rolleyes: Cynthia buddies up with Farrakhan, so honestly, what do you think are the chances that either of them would say anything nice about Jewish people, let alone apologize for saying something bad? :rolleyes:I have met Farrakhan personally. I know quite a number of people who call him their friend. Those same people both also have Jews as friends, and apologize when they say bad things. Therefore, I cannot take as given that the fact that Cynthia McKinney would call him in for campaign help, or that Bill McKinney knows him, means they wouldn't apologize for offensive remarks.

...threatened another politican in the state house (or in the parking lot). I've heard several say that he threatened to pull a knife.I notice the article says 'challenged him to a fight', and says nothing about a knife. Hardly the behaviour I'd want out of a Congressman, but nothing I don't see or hear every week either.

...threatened or assaulted other people.The article notes charges and accusations. Were these withdrawn? Was McKinney found innocent? Were the charges unfounded in the first place?

...has no interest in helping the white areas of his district.Well, that's twice you made that accusation while offerring no proof to back it. Repeating it doesn't make it more or less believable.

Why do you think he was voted out in 2002?[quote]Well, I hear that....[QUOTE=cheesestix]his district is mostly black. John Noel organized better and got his ass out.but my source could be wrong about that.
Believe what you wanna believe. :rolleyes: You're just in denial.cheese - you could be totally right about everything you've said. But you've offered proof, or even evidence, of VERY little of it. That's not me being in denial. That's me not taking your word for it. If, for example, I said BUsh was a child molester, but didn't cite any convictions of child molestations as proof, would youtake my word for it? I doubt it.

cheesestix
Nov 11th, 2004, 07:10 PM
If Karl Rove said 'B-L-A-C-K-S' was why Bush lost New York City, that wouldn't be a anti-Black comment. It would be true. I certainly wouldn't call him a racist over it.

Maybe YOU wouldn't (although I don't believe that), but about 90% of this board would call it racist. Because he'd be saying it like it was a bad thing. That's the way Billy McKinney said it. Why else would he even bother to mention ethnicity?

Volcana
Nov 11th, 2004, 09:58 PM
Maybe YOU wouldn't (although I don't believe that),I can safely say you can go over every single thing I ever wrote here, and not find ONE instance where I wrote anything like that.
but about 90% of this board would call it racist.I consider that short-sighted.Because he'd be saying it like it was a bad thing.Who gives a fuck? It ISN'T a bad thing. If people are telling the truth, it's beyond pointless to start claiming things like 'they're racist'.