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Wigglytuff
Nov 7th, 2004, 06:30 PM
before i start, i am an out lesbian and have been for 7 years, not only that, i have a number of health problems that will without question keep me out of any draft. most of my friends and family are too old or too young. and the rest have the means to move to mexico, or japan or what have you.

that being said, i have decided that a draft is the only way. people who support the war should fight in it. period. and bush agrees, not only is there video of him saying "we will not have an all volunteer army" but the evidence points to the fact that the army is running out of options. everyday, more and more people are taking the US to court over its practices of maintaining the number of men and women serving.

i fully the plan for the draft (18-26, without exception for college, or citizenship status), because its the only way we can bring iraqis freedom. by any means necessary.
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Gulf War Vet Sues Army Over New Call-Up

Sun Nov 7,10:53 AM ET

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HONOLULU - A veteran of the first Persian Gulf War (news - web sites) is suing the Army after it ordered him to report for duty 13 years after he was honorably discharged from active duty and eight years after he left the reserves.

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Kauai resident David Miyasato received word of his reactivation in September, but says he believes he completed his eight-year obligation to the Army long ago.

"I was shocked," Miyasato said Friday. "I never expected to see something like that after being out of the service for 13 years."

His federal lawsuit, filed Friday in Honolulu, seeks a judgment declaring that he has fulfilled his military obligations.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Harry Yee said his office would defend the Army. He declined to comment further. An Army spokeswoman at the Pentagon (news - web sites) declined to comment to the Honolulu Star-Bulletin.

Miyasato, 34, was scheduled to report to a military facility in South Carolina on Tuesday.

Within hours of filing the lawsuit, however, Miyasato received a faxed letter from the Army's Human Resources Command saying his "exemption from active duty had not been finalized at this time" and that he has been given an administrative delay for up to 30 days, said his attorney, Eric Seitz.

Miyasato, his wife, Estelle, and their 7-month-old daughter, Abigail, live in Lihue, where he opened an auto-tinting shop two years ago.

His lawsuit states that Miyasato is suing not because he opposes the war in Iraq (news - web sites), but because his business and family would suffer "serious and irreparable harm" if he is required to serve.

Miyasato enlisted in the Army in 1987 and served in Iraq and Kuwait during the first Persian Gulf War as a petroleum supply specialist and truck driver.

Miyasato said he received an honorable discharge from active duty in 1991, then served in the reserves until 1996 to fulfill his eight-year enlistment commitment.

The Army announced last year that it would involuntarily activate an estimated 5,600 soldiers to serve in Iraq, Afghanistan (news - web sites) and elsewhere. Army officials would be tapping members of the Individual Ready Reserve — military members who have been discharged from the Army, Army Reserve or the Army National Guard, but still have contractual obligations to the military.

Miyasato said he never re-enlisted, signed up for any bonuses or was told that he had been transferred to the Individual Ready Reserve or any other Army Reserve unit.

"I fulfilled my contract," Miyasato said. "I just want to move on from this, and I'm optimistic that I'll be successful."

Miyasato speculated that he may have been picked because his skills as a truck driver and refueler are in demand in Iraq. He told reporters he did the same work as that done by a group of Army reservists who refused to deliver fuel along a dangerous route in Iraq last month.

p.s. if anyone wants the video of bush saying "we will not have an all volunteer army" let me know via pm.

Bacardi
Nov 7th, 2004, 06:53 PM
I believe you Jiggly, sadly enough, I'm out and openly gay as well... but I doubt that alone will be enough to keep me out of the Army. I however will say I'm insane :crazy: and I mean really, in fact if they call me up for draft, and interview me, I'll tell them I want to kill the President and as many US Troops as I can because I believe this war is wrong. Certainly they won't trust anyone like that witha gun over there fighting.

If all else fails, there is Mexico :woohoo: My gf and I have already discussed that option. ;) Or there is also breaking the law and commiting a felony. I commit felonys everyday of my life, I'm just smart enough not to get caught. One day if they try to draft me, I'll dumb myself down to Bush voter level and get caught so I don't have to fight.

It's not worth a single person's hair on their head to fight in this war. It's POINTLESS it's not worth anything. If Bush wants to draft people, start with those lunatics that voted for him and his own daughters!

AjdeNate!
Nov 7th, 2004, 07:13 PM
My motto for 4 years... 'Don't blame me, I live in a blue state'.

Bring on the draft!!
Bring on the dismissal of Roe v. Wade.
Bring on higher taxes.

It was voted in... let it roll!

Bacardi
Nov 7th, 2004, 07:16 PM
My motto for 4 years... 'Don't blame me, I live in a blue state'.

Bring on the draft!!
Bring on the dismissal of Roe v. Wade.
Bring on higher taxes.

It was voted in... let it roll!

Yes, but sadly enough.... What about those of us, like you and I that didn't vote for this? We're going to have to suffer too.

I hope those of us that didn't vote for this madman find a way to keep safe, and never be drafted. We aren't worth dying for this man! Now as for those that voted for him, the front line is open and ready... You can run but you can't hide (wasn't that Bush's motto during the election?).

AjdeNate!
Nov 7th, 2004, 07:18 PM
Yes, but sadly enough.... What about those of us, like you and I that didn't vote for this? We're going to have to suffer too.

I hope those of us that didn't vote for this madman find a way to keep safe, and never be drafted. We aren't worth dying for this man! Now as for those that voted for him, the front line is open and ready... You can run but you can't hide (wasn't that Bush's motto during the election?).
You can get outta the draft by proclaiming your sexuality, but that gets you a court martial or something prolly.... so just say your preggers. Can't send a pregnant lesbo chick to the front lines of Fallujah to be killed.

Or can they?????? :confused:

Bacardi
Nov 7th, 2004, 07:21 PM
Honey, if I have to get one of my friends to knock up my girlfriend and I... I'll do it before I let either of us die for Oil!

But for the record, I wouldn't doubt this time them drafting "Only children", "gays", "pregnant/mothers", "poor eyesight", "looney's" or anything else.... This time he might just decide to rid the world of an entire generation.

My dad was drafted, back during Vietnam. Do you know how he avoided his first trip to Nam? Kennedy was assisnated. Hopefully Bush gets it, before any of us have to go. But I still say, those that voted for him, should be out there on the front lines.

backhanddtl4
Nov 8th, 2004, 02:52 AM
My motto for 4 years... 'Don't blame me, I live in a blue state'.

Bring on the draft!!
Bring on the dismissal of Roe v. Wade.
Bring on higher taxes.

It was voted in... let it roll!

Bush? Higher taxes?
No, he wants to keep giving tax cuts.....which can't go on forever. Kerry would have raised taxes, but if you ask me, raising taxes is needed to help lower the defecit.

njguido11
Nov 8th, 2004, 03:02 AM
I believe you Jiggly, sadly enough, I'm out and openly gay as well... but I doubt that alone will be enough to keep me out of the Army. I however will say I'm insane :crazy: and I mean really, in fact if they call me up for draft, and interview me, I'll tell them I want to kill the President and as many US Troops as I can because I believe this war is wrong. Certainly they won't trust anyone like that witha gun over there fighting.

If all else fails, there is Mexico :woohoo: My gf and I have already discussed that option. ;) Or there is also breaking the law and commiting a felony. I commit felonys everyday of my life, I'm just smart enough not to get caught. One day if they try to draft me, I'll dumb myself down to Bush voter level and get caught so I don't have to fight.

It's not worth a single person's hair on their head to fight in this war. It's POINTLESS it's not worth anything. If Bush wants to draft people, start with those lunatics that voted for him and his own daughters!



The fact that statements like this go unchallenged show how crazy the dems on this board are.

Crazy Canuck
Nov 8th, 2004, 04:08 AM
The fact that statements like this go unchallenged show how crazy the dems on this board are.
Or it shows that some of us don't think that cutting up Bacardi's comments and trying to rationalize them is worth our time ;) To be honest, I don't even read half of the them.

Crazy Canuck
Nov 8th, 2004, 04:09 AM
^^then again, I'm not a "dem" so I suppose that I'm not the group you were hoping to insult :cool:

cellophane
Nov 8th, 2004, 04:11 AM
^^then again, I'm not a "dem" so I suppose that I'm not the group you were hoping to insult :cool:You are not? You mean you are conservative *and*a Canadian? :eek: ;) :lol:

Crazy Canuck
Nov 8th, 2004, 04:25 AM
You are not? You mean you are conservative *and*a Canadian? :eek: ;) :lol:
I don't consider myself strictly conservative or liberal... I probably lean slightly left of center, but that doesn't mean I have to associate myself with the dems on this board.

Crazy Canuck
Nov 8th, 2004, 04:26 AM
There are lots of conservatives in Canada, btw... I take it you're not from Alberta? ;)

cellophane
Nov 8th, 2004, 04:32 AM
There are lots of conservatives in Canada, btw... I take it you're not from Alberta? ;)
I was being sarcastic. :lol: No, I am not from Alberta. :lol:

Crazy Canuck
Nov 8th, 2004, 04:42 AM
I suspected that you were, I just wanted to make a dig at Alberta. I thank my lucky stars that they don't have the population of Ontario every day ;)