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Navratilove
Nov 5th, 2004, 04:15 PM
I'm seeing it around 85... what do u think?

Infiniti2001
Nov 5th, 2004, 04:22 PM
I'm seeing it around 85... what do u think?

Dunno, but check this out http://attenuation.net/files/iq.htm

Tratree
Nov 5th, 2004, 04:27 PM
Tom Brokow said in an interview with John Kerry on NBC that according to some military tests on both men, Bush had the higher IQ.

griffin
Nov 5th, 2004, 04:32 PM
Bush is a lot smarter than people like to give him credit for. Underestimating him has ended more than one political career.

Tratree
Nov 5th, 2004, 04:48 PM
Bush is a lot smarter than people like to give him credit for. Underestimating him has ended more than one political career.
Exactly, Griffin. One might say they "misunderestimated him", lol. The man may not have a way with words, but I honestly think part of the slam on him is due to the "good old boy" southern accent prejudice that is ripe in this country. A lot of Americans think that thick accent=stupid...whether it be Texas, South Carolina, Maine or Boston. That's pretty ignorant in my book.

Justeenium
Nov 5th, 2004, 04:50 PM
Bush is a lot smarter than people like to give him credit for. Underestimating him has ended more than one political career.
thank you.

If the haters here are going to believe that he's just doing things to get rich off oil, then you accept that he is SMART for pulling it off and still got reelected.

!<blocparty>!
Nov 5th, 2004, 05:07 PM
how can a person with no brain have an IQ'? :shrug:

griffin
Nov 5th, 2004, 05:08 PM
Exactly, Griffin. One might say they "misunderestimated him", lol. The man may not have a way with words, but I honestly think part of the slam on him is due to the "good old boy" southern accent prejudice that is ripe in this country. A lot of Americans think that thick accent=stupid...whether it be Texas, South Carolina, Maine or Boston. That's pretty ignorant in my book.

Well, that accent is largely fake. Don't take my word for it, go listen to the debates from when he ran for governor against Ann Richards. (or talk to the two Texas-born-and-bred women in my office who can still pronounce "nuclear" and "Missouri" properly) I think he actively cultivates the stupidity stereotype at times because it does help to have opponents underestimate you, and it helps people forget that he really does come from a very priviledged background, which might alienate him from some of his base.

It's not just the accent, though. He is pretty inarticulate, especially when it comes to public speaking, and he tends to take (or profess) simplistic views on what others see as complicated issues. I may agree he has a brain, but I don't think he's putting it to very good use.

Bacardi
Nov 5th, 2004, 06:02 PM
The study determined the following IQs of each president as accurate to within five percentage points:

147 Franklin D. Roosevelt (D)
132 Harry Truman (D)
122 Dwight D. Eisenhower (R)
174 John F. Kennedy (D)
126 Lyndon B. Johnson (D)
155 Richard M. Nixon (R)
121 Gerald Ford (R)
175 James E. Carter (D)
105 Ronald Reagan (R)
098 George HW Bush (R)
182 William J. Clinton (D)
091 George W. Bush (R)

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bliq-bush.htm

He's probably more dyslecic (spelling) than anything. :retard:

turt
Nov 5th, 2004, 06:11 PM
The study determined the following IQs of each president as accurate to within five percentage points:

147 Franklin D. Roosevelt (D)
132 Harry Truman (D)
122 Dwight D. Eisenhower (R)
174 John F. Kennedy (D)
126 Lyndon B. Johnson (D)
155 Richard M. Nixon (R)
121 Gerald Ford (R)
175 James E. Carter (D)
105 Ronald Reagan (R)
098 George HW Bush (R)
182 William J. Clinton (D)
091 George W. Bush (R)

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bliq-bush.htm

He's probably more dyslecic (spelling) than anything. :retard:
Posting a hoax sure won't help you being taken seriously here ;)

Circe
Nov 5th, 2004, 06:14 PM
i dont think that study was reliable or authentic. if you ask me he's of about average to above-average intelligence, his "stupidity" comes more from his (apparent) extreme reliance on faith and unwillingness to view a situation or problem holistically. its narrow-mindedness more than lack of intelligence, as i think is the case with many people on either extreme side of the politico-religious divide.

(if any of the above made sense, i'd be most surprized, i'm quite spaced-out today)

Cybelle Darkholme
Nov 5th, 2004, 06:54 PM
Exactly, Griffin. One might say they "misunderestimated him", lol. The man may not have a way with words, but I honestly think part of the slam on him is due to the "good old boy" southern accent prejudice that is ripe in this country. A lot of Americans think that thick accent=stupid...whether it be Texas, South Carolina, Maine or Boston. That's pretty ignorant in my book.

And here I thought it was the C minus education that he bragged about that made him ignorant.

Navratilove
Nov 6th, 2004, 09:37 AM
In my opinion, Geroge W Bush Jr. is dumb as hell.

I Love Sharapova
Nov 6th, 2004, 06:10 PM
Well,from what I understand Bush's IQ is about 125 which is well above average. ;)

Paldias
Nov 6th, 2004, 06:22 PM
Even though I hate George Bush, he's not stupid. :rolleyes: Just because he makes bad decisions and finds himself stumbling over his words on TV doesn't mean he's stupid. I like to see you talk infront of millions of people and not stumble over your words...:rolleyes:

Hagar
Nov 6th, 2004, 07:31 PM
Well, that accent is largely fake.
I'm glad you say this. I happen to have a very good ear for accents. I always thought that Bush's southern accent was arteficial. Seems like my impression was right.
He comes across as the jolly good fellow but I think it's an act.

kikker
Nov 6th, 2004, 09:06 PM
i think his IQ is equal to a donkey

cheesestix
Nov 6th, 2004, 10:35 PM
The study determined the following IQs of each president as accurate to within five percentage points:

147 Franklin D. Roosevelt (D)
132 Harry Truman (D)
122 Dwight D. Eisenhower (R)
174 John F. Kennedy (D)
126 Lyndon B. Johnson (D)
155 Richard M. Nixon (R)
121 Gerald Ford (R)
175 James E. Carter (D)
105 Ronald Reagan (R)
098 George HW Bush (R)
182 William J. Clinton (D)
091 George W. Bush (R)

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bliq-bush.htm

He's probably more dyslecic (spelling) than anything. :retard:

That study was obviously a hoax. There was a thread about it a few weeks ago.

What's even more telling is that the link that you provided has the word "urbanlegends" in it. :lol: Ummm, hello? :rolleyes:

What's even more ridiculous is that if you go to the link, the whole article is about how the thing is a hoax! :lol:

Either:

a) you're dumb and couldn't understand the article, or
b) you're trying to deceive by only showing a snippit (the fake part)

Which is it?

:lol:

Tennis Fool
Nov 6th, 2004, 10:55 PM
From Salon: What Dubya's Harvard Business Law Professor had to say about him...(edited).

"I don't remember all the students in detail unless I'm prompted by something," Tsurumi said in a telephone interview Wednesday. "But I always remember two types of students. One is the very excellent student, the type as a professor you feel honored to be working with. Someone with strong social values, compassion and intellect -- the very rare person you never forget. And then you remember students like George Bush, those who are totally the opposite."
The future president was one of 85 first-year MBA students in Tsurumi's macroeconomic policies and international business class in the fall of 1973 and spring of 1974. Tsurumi was a visiting associate professor at Harvard Business School from January 1972 to August 1976; today, he is a professor of international business at Baruch College in New York.

One of Tsurumi's standout students was Rep. Chris Cox, R-Calif., now the seventh-ranking member of the House Republican leadership. "I typed him as a conservative Republican with a conscience," Tsurumi said. "He never confused his own ideology with economics, and he didn't try to hide his ignorance of a subject in mumbo jumbo. He was what I call a principled conservative." (Though clearly a partisan one. On Wednesday, Cox called for a congressional investigation of the validity of documents that CBS News obtained for a story questioning Bush's attendance at Guard duty in Alabama.)

Bush, by contrast, "was totally the opposite of Chris Cox," Tsurumi said. "He showed pathological lying habits and was in denial when challenged on his prejudices and biases. He would even deny saying something he just said 30 seconds ago. He was famous for that. Students jumped on him; I challenged him." When asked to explain a particular comment, said Tsurumi, Bush would respond, "Oh, I never said that." A White House spokeswoman did not return a phone call seeking comment.

In 1973, as the oil and energy crisis raged, Tsurumi led a discussion on whether government should assist retirees and other people on fixed incomes with heating costs. Bush, he recalled, "made this ridiculous statement and when I asked him to explain, he said, 'The government doesn't have to help poor people -- because they are lazy.' I said, 'Well, could you explain that assumption?' Not only could he not explain it, he started backtracking on it, saying, 'No, I didn't say that.'"

Bush once sneered at Tsurumi for showing the film "The Grapes of Wrath," based on John Steinbeck's novel of the Depression. "We were in a discussion of the New Deal, and he called Franklin Roosevelt's policies 'socialism.' He denounced labor unions, the Securities and Exchange Commission, Medicare, Social Security, you name it. He denounced the civil rights movement as socialism. To him, socialism and communism were the same thing. And when challenged to explain his prejudice, he could not defend his argument, either ideologically, polemically or academically."

Students who challenged and embarrassed Bush in class would then become the subject of a whispering campaign by him, Tsurumi said. "In class, he couldn't challenge them. But after class, he sometimes came up to me in the hallway and started bad-mouthing those students who had challenged him. He would complain that someone was drinking too much. It was innuendo and lies. So that's how I knew, behind his smile and his smirk, that he was a very insecure, cunning and vengeful guy."

Many of Tsurumi's students came from well-connected or wealthy families, but good manners prevented them from boasting about it, the professor said. But Bush seemed unabashed about the connections that had brought him to Harvard. "The other children of the rich and famous were at least well bred to the point of realizing universal values and standards of behavior," Tsurumi said. But Bush sometimes came late to class and often sat in the back row of the theater-like classroom, wearing a bomber jacket from the Texas Air National Guard and spitting chewing tobacco into a cup.

"At first, I wondered, 'Who is this George Bush?' It's a very common name and I didn't know his background. And he was such a bad student that I asked him once how he got in. He said, 'My dad has good friends.'" Bush scored in the lowest 10 percent of the class.

"I used to chat up a number of students when we were walking back to class," Tsurumi said. "Here was Bush, wearing a Texas Guard bomber jacket, and the draft was the No. 1 topic in those days. And I said, 'George, what did you do with the draft?' He said, 'Well, I got into the Texas Air National Guard.' And I said, 'Lucky you. I understand there is a long waiting list for it. How'd you get in?' When he told me, he didn't seem ashamed or embarrassed. He thought he was entitled to all kinds of privileges and special deals. He was not the only one trying to twist all their connections to avoid Vietnam. But then, he was fanatically for the war."

Tsurumi told Bush that someone who avoided a draft while supporting a war in which others were dying was a hypocrite. "He realized he was caught, showed his famous smirk and huffed off."

Tsurumi's conclusion: Bush is not as dumb as his detractors allege. "He was just badly brought up, with no discipline, and no compassion," he said.

Crazy Canuck
Nov 6th, 2004, 11:26 PM
Well,from what I understand Bush's IQ is about 125 which is well above average. ;)

Source? Without one, you sound about as reliable as Bacardi.

I agree with those who say that he's not as stupid as he comes off. I also don't think that his "C minus" education is necessarily indicative of his intelligence level either. I know people much smarter than myself who get poorer grades.

Crazy Canuck
Nov 6th, 2004, 11:27 PM
The study determined the following IQs of each president as accurate to within five percentage points:

147 Franklin D. Roosevelt (D)
132 Harry Truman (D)
122 Dwight D. Eisenhower (R)
174 John F. Kennedy (D)
126 Lyndon B. Johnson (D)
155 Richard M. Nixon (R)
121 Gerald Ford (R)
175 James E. Carter (D)
105 Ronald Reagan (R)
098 George HW Bush (R)
182 William J. Clinton (D)
091 George W. Bush (R)

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bliq-bush.htm

He's probably more dyslecic (spelling) than anything. :retard:


What do you even know about Dyslexia?

~ The Leopard ~
Nov 7th, 2004, 01:37 AM
Chubin has it right. What he is doing is hard, and not everyone can be as slick about it as someone like Clinton. I'm sure I'd stammer and falter and look shifty if I was in front of TV cameras. Shrub actually does reasonably well with that side of it; it's just that Clinton was such a hard act to follow.

Shrub undoubtedly has an above-average IQ. I'd guess about 115-120, but I freely admit it's only a guess. If he was smarter than that he would probably have been better academically, but maybe not if he was lazy. What we can be sure of is that he is not stupid, even if he does see issues in simplistic terms.

Fingon
Nov 7th, 2004, 02:51 AM
Bush is a lot smarter than people like to give him credit for. Underestimating him has ended more than one political career.
:worship: :worship: :worship:

mboyle
Nov 7th, 2004, 03:26 AM
Tom Brokow said in an interview with John Kerry on NBC that according to some military tests on both men, Bush had the higher IQ.
he also did better on the SAT.

mboyle
Nov 7th, 2004, 03:31 AM
Either:

a) you're dumb and couldn't understand the article, or
b) you're trying to deceive by only showing a snippit (the fake part)

Which is it?

:lol:
No, it is mostly, I think, that bacardi started with the notion that Bush is very stupid. She then searched for evidence to support this claim, tossing aside the credible evidence to the contrary. The best thing she found was something from urbanlegends.com. It isn't that she's dumb or deceitful, but biased and closed-minded, IMHO.

Crazy Canuck
Nov 7th, 2004, 03:34 AM
No, it is mostly, I think, that bacardi started with the notion that Bush is very stupid. She then searched for evidence to support this claim, tossing aside the credible evidence to the contrary. The best thing she found was something from urbanlegends.com. It isn't that she's dumb or deceitful, but biased and closed-minded, IMHO.
I can occasionally agree with mboyle... this is one of those times.

mboyle
Nov 7th, 2004, 03:35 AM
I think that college article is mostly accurate, though I am not sure about that 10% stat. However, students in general change. I mean, your personality just isn't fully formed when you are 23/24 years old. It seems to me that people mellow out as they get older, I mean politically. Also, Dubya was big on the coke and booze during those days, so he definately wasn't thinking straight, certainly not like he does now. I just don't think it is fair to damn a man as compassion-less and a pathological liar because of his youth.

Shane54
Nov 7th, 2004, 04:52 AM
I would say about 135. Above average

Crazy Canuck
Nov 7th, 2004, 04:56 AM
I would say about 135. Above average
"About 135" is more than simply "above average". I think that I'll take Leapord's estimate over yours ;)

Barrie_Dude
Nov 7th, 2004, 09:20 AM
I'm seeing it around 85... what do u think?actually around 125

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Nov 7th, 2004, 09:22 AM
I think I am smarter than Bush... yet no more than Kerry...

Navratilove
Nov 7th, 2004, 09:48 AM
I measured my IQ the other day on some apparently reliable test and I scored 87 and since I have a feeling that I'm a touch smarter then President,that's how I came up with my estimate. So it may not be reliable but what the heck, I'm not that stupid after all.