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Grachka
Nov 2nd, 2004, 05:08 PM
BBC Online (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3975523.stm)

NOTE: MSP is a Member of Scottish Parliament, Scottish Executive is the government ;)


MSPs back pornography ban calls


The petition links pornography with violence against women
A committee of MSPs has backed a call to ban adult pornography in Scotland.
The Equal Opportunities Committee supported a petition claiming links between porn and sexual crimes and violence against women and children.

The document from Scottish Women Against Pornography urges parliament to define such material as incitement to sexual hatred and make it an offence.

The committee looks set to launch a inquiry after claiming that the issue has been ignored for too long.

However, any official probe would be subject to gaining further information and agreeing a remit with parliament.

VOTE RESULTS
Should adult pornography be banned in Scotland?
Yes
20%
No
80%
1700 Votes Cast
Results are indicative and may not reflect public opinion

Committee members acknowledged the potential difficulties of defining a law to introduce a ban on the porn industry but hoped it would be similar to that of incitement to racial hatred.

Labour's Elaine Smith led calls for an inquiry into the "big business" of pornography.

She said: "I think that since studies do exist showing the harmful effects they should signal to us the precautionary principle and they should be doing further research into it.

"I don't think we can ignore it any longer."

Fellow Labour committee member Marlyn Glen added: "It seems to me that the safety of women should be a real priority of the executive and the parliament and what we need is the political will to push that through."

The Scottish National Party's Sandra White, Green MSP Shona Baird and the Scottish Socialist Party's Frances Curran also backed an inquiry.

'Wealth of evidence'

Catherine Harper, of Scottish Women Against Pornography, said she was encouraged by the political support for the campaign.

She conceded that any legislation could take time but parliament needed to hear the "wealth of evidence" on the links between pornography and sexual violence.

Ms Harper went on: "I have high expectations. It was very, very encouraging to see the consensus of the committee that we need to look at this."

In May, the Scottish Executive said that its review of existing research had shown that for every study purporting to demonstrate a harmful link between the consumption of pornography, there was another which rejected the idea.

As such, it claims that establishing links between all pornography and abuse is a complex issue.

A spokeswoman said: "We have reviewed the relevant literature but believe that the relationship between the two remains unclear.

"While we have no plans to legislate we will, of course, continue to monitor the situation."

:lol:

OUT!
Nov 2nd, 2004, 05:12 PM
Hahaha, but as long as Scotland is part of the UK it will be unsuccessful, b/c somebody will take any plans to ban pornography to the EU Court of Human Rights and it will be overturned.

Paneru
Nov 2nd, 2004, 05:14 PM
:haha:

OUT!
Nov 2nd, 2004, 05:17 PM
Didn't the British serial killer Dennis Nielson take the Government to the EU Court of Human Rights as they denied him access to gay porn? I'm sure he did and won, lol.

-Ph51-
Nov 2nd, 2004, 05:22 PM
Poor Avid :devil:

Hulet
Nov 2nd, 2004, 05:23 PM
"While we have no plans to legislate we will, of course, continue to monitor the situation." Some lucky dude will most probably be given this "monitoring" job. :)

Seriously though, there are really (a lot of) sick pornography producers out there who depict women in such a demeaning situations. I don't think such depiction could be helpful, if not harmful. May be some sort of restriction is needed.

Another thing I always wonder about is why producing pornographic material is even legal if prostitution is prohibited? :confused:

Paneru
Nov 2nd, 2004, 05:23 PM
Didn't the British serial killer Dennis Nielson take the Government to the EU Court of Human Rights as they denied him access to gay porn? I'm sure he did and won, lol.

Yeah.


"The Human Rights Act has spawned too many spurious rights," he said. "It has fuelled a compensation out of all sense and proportion. And all too often, it seems to give criminals more rights than the victims of crime. This has to stop." He added: "Our society needs more discipline, decent values and respect."

The shadow home secretary cited the cases of the mass murderer Dennis Nielsen, who had secured hard-core pornography in prison after claiming his "right to information and freedom of expression" under the HRA, and a group of travellers who had used the act to justify setting up a permanent home in a Cambridgeshire village.

Martian Willow
Nov 2nd, 2004, 05:28 PM
How will they define pornography?

raquel
Nov 2nd, 2004, 05:40 PM
If this news is true I am expecting a pm from Avid any day now, telling me he's emigrating to Italy :p

Avid Merrion
Nov 2nd, 2004, 06:01 PM
Poor Avid :devil:
:o
If this news is true I am expecting a pm from Avid any day now, telling me he's emigrating to Italy :p
:o i had a feeling my name would be mentioned in here, but twice?! :tape:

seriously though, great to see the Scottish parliment are using their hideously expensive building to debate the serious issues of the day.... :lol:

-Ph51-
Nov 2nd, 2004, 06:12 PM
seriously though, great to see the Scottish parliment are using their hideously expensive building to debate the serious issues of the day

You said it :angel:

GermanBoy
Nov 2nd, 2004, 06:22 PM
Is that the reason why they fired Berti McVogts? :)

Avid Merrion
Nov 2nd, 2004, 06:40 PM
nah, he got the push because he was shite :p

Grachka
Nov 2nd, 2004, 07:43 PM
Is that the reason why they fired Berti McVogts? :)

Berti :o nice to see he went out with dignity, blaming everyone but himself :o :o :o

BritneySpearsIsHot
Nov 2nd, 2004, 11:41 PM
:haha:

Whatever next, people not being allowed to swear?

Blimey, all that male gay porn is so degrading to women :rolleyes:

Crazy Canuck
Nov 2nd, 2004, 11:51 PM
I don't have a problem with restrictions against pornography. An all out ban... I don't know. But restrictions of some sort are necessary, imo. There have been a number of studies that show the negative effects that pornography can have on the psych... perhaps more of you should familiarize yourselves with them before rolling your eyes at the topic :confused:

Psychon - I was wondering that the other day... but imo, prostitution should be regulated and not illegal, so I suppose that I would have to take the same stance on pornography.

Crazy Canuck
Nov 2nd, 2004, 11:52 PM
:haha:

Whatever next, people not being allowed to swear?

Blimey, all that male gay porn is so degrading to women :rolleyes:
Comparing the effects of pornography to the effects of cursing is... more than just a little ridiculous.

Crazy Canuck
Nov 3rd, 2004, 12:10 AM
I'm sure pornography is somewhat nocive for sexuality and people's psychology... However I wouldn't ban it, just like I wouldn't ban cigs or alcohol. As for controlling it, yeah it should be done.

People don't take negative effects of porn seriously because it's not really obvious that it can have a negative impact on them.
I think that we generally agree ;)

BritneySpearsIsHot
Nov 3rd, 2004, 12:11 AM
Comparing the effects of pornography to the effects of cursing is... more than just a little ridiculous.
Maybe i should compare it to 18 rated disaster movies then........maybe we should ban all horror movies and disaster movies.............and even ban the internet where lots of taboos exist.

I dunno, too many do-gooders in the world that should worry about there own lives

BritneySpearsIsHot
Nov 3rd, 2004, 12:14 AM
I'm sure pornography is somewhat nocive for sexuality and people's psychology... However I wouldn't ban it, just like I wouldn't ban cigs or alcohol. As for controlling it, yeah it should be done.

People don't take negative effects of porn seriously because it's not really obvious that it can have a negative impact on them.
Their is a negative effect to EVERYTHING and like you suggest, banning things is not the answer.

Controlling would be a good idea.........but how?

People will always find a way to do things and their is some weird shit out there

BritneySpearsIsHot
Nov 3rd, 2004, 12:17 AM
I wouldn't ban porn, but I would ban Britney videos.I would ban a million things, but it won't happen

I'd make national service for everyone in every country compulsory up to the age of 30, but it won't happen........because it's not meant too.

There are far bigger influences in life than pornography

OUT!
Nov 3rd, 2004, 10:02 AM
Blimey, all that male gay porn is so degrading to women :rolleyes:Well that is what the feminists *cough cough* Susan Sontag and Camille Paglia argue in their defence of pornography. Plus any ban would force porn to go further underground and infringe/endanger the safety of those involved in this business even further.

rand
Nov 3rd, 2004, 10:07 AM
the world is falling to pieces! :D

~ The Leopard ~
Nov 3rd, 2004, 11:23 AM
I lurrrve those redheaded Celtic grrls. :lick:

Dava
Nov 3rd, 2004, 03:56 PM
They are just doing it so people think they are a diffrent country with separate needs blah blah blah.

Avid Merrion
Nov 3rd, 2004, 03:59 PM
They are just doing it so people think they are a diffrent country with separate needs blah blah blah.
we have needs. we need porn dammit!! :lol: