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Sam L
Oct 31st, 2004, 01:28 AM
Lisa Dupler, a 33-year-old from Columbus, held up a rainbow-striped John Kerry sign outside the Nationwide Arena on Friday, as Republicans streamed out after being rallied by George W. Bush and Arnold Schwarzenegger. A thickset woman with very short, dark hair, Dupler was silent and barely flinched as people passing her hissed "******" into her ear. An old lady looked at her and said, "You people are sick!" A kid who looked to be about 10 or 11 affected a limp wrist and mincing voice and said, "Oh, I'm gay." Rather than restraining him, his squat mother guffawed and then turned to Dupler and sneered, "Why don't you go marry your girlfriend?" Encouraged, her son yelled, "We don't want ******s in the White House!"

The throngs of Republicans were pumped after seeing the president and the action hero. But there was an angry edge to their elation. They shrieked at the dozen or so protesters standing on the concrete plaza outside the auditorium. "Kerry's a terrorist!" yelled a stocky kid in baggy jeans and braces. "Communists for Kerry! Go back to Russia," someone else screamed. Many of them took up the chant "Kerry sucks"; old women and teenage boys shouting with equal ferocity.

With four days to go until the election, you can feel the temperature rising in Ohio.

Among Democrats, it's easy to indulge the fantasy that all the rage in this election is directed one way -- at Bush. Thousands of progressives are campaigning here, going door-to-door to get out the vote, training to watch the polls, holding concerts and rallies and anything else they can think of to beat Bush. Hundreds are from other parts of the country but most are locals. Jess Good, Ohio director of the massive get-out-the-vote group America Coming Together, says that 93 percent of the 12,000 volunteers expected to work on Election Day are from Ohio itself.

Clearly, something exciting and unprecedented is happening. After reviewing Democratic and progressive field operations in Ohio and Florida, L.A. Weekly columnist Harold Meyerson wrote, "I have found something I've never before seen in my 36 or so years as a progressive activist and later as a journalist: an effective, fully functioning American left."

Friday's Republican rally, though, was evidence that many on the right are as fervid and galvanized as their opponents. Pollster John Zogby has called this the "apocalypse election" because people on both sides believe the world will end if their candidate loses. He's right -- the Republicans I met at the Ohio rally spoke in language almost identical to that of the most addled Bush-hater, although often several steps further removed from reality.

Dave, a 54-year-old electronic technician, said that if Kerry wins, "I'm going to leave the country and go to a Third World nation and start a ranch." His wife, Jenny, laughed and accused him of hyperbole, but he insisted he's been studying Portuguese, the language of Brazil, "so we'll have an escape route." Sitting near him was Greg Swalley, a blond electrical contractor. "I think Kerry is the anti-Christ," he said, only half-joking. "He scares me."

We were sitting outside the Nationwide Arena watching the adoring crowd on a massive elevated monitor. Swalley and the others had tickets and I had press credentials. But by the time we arrived, 40 minutes before the rally was scheduled to start, security had closed off the area and no more people were being let in. So dozens waited outside and watched their heroes on the screen. The monitor showed a huge W. and then the words, "Let's Roll." When Bush, his wife and Schwarzenegger appeared, wild cheering echoed outside the building.

Inside, Schwarzenegger tried to strike a sunny, moderate note. "There is optimism in Ohio," he said. "There is optimism all over the country because President Bush is leading the way. He's fighting for all of us.

"President Bush knows you can't reason with people that are blinded by hate," Schwarzenegger said. "But let me tell you something: Their hate is no match for our decency, their hate is no match for America's decency, and it is no match for the leadership and the resolve of George W. Bush."

Outside, though, I didn't see much American decency among Bush's followers. The conservative movement has long been fueled by anger and resentment. But here the negativity was at an especially high pitch, perhaps because some were starting to realize they might lose -- and that seemed like the end of the world.

Looking at the small knot of protesters, many of whom were chanting, "Four more days," 22-year-old Nick Karnes, wearing a knit ski cap and baggy jeans, yelled, "Shut up!" Then he turned to his friend and said, "We can take 'em."

"I'm definitely gonna vote for him," Karnes said of Bush. "Because he's been the president for four years and nothing bad has happened since Sept. 11. He's kept me alive for four years." If Kerry becomes president, he said, "We'll be dead within a year."

Karnes told me that most of his friends are voting for Bush, too, but a couple are voting for Kerry. "I'm not speaking to them right now," he said.

When the crowd came pouring out of the arena, the vitriol only increased. One clean-cut man, holding his son by the hand, yelled "coward!" at one of the protesters. I asked him what made him say that, and he said, "Because he's demeaning our troops by saying they are fighting a lost cause."

"Jesus! Jesus!" screamed 26-year-old Joe Robles, pointing to his Bush-Cheney sign. "The man stands for God," he said of the president. "We want somebody who stands for Jesus. I always vote my Christian morals." Robles, a student at Ohio State University, told me that Kerry's daughter is a lesbian. I said I thought that was Dick Cheney's daughter, but he shook his head no with confidence. - :haha:

Robles said that Kerry would make it illegal for preachers to say that marriage should only be between a man and a woman. In California, he informed me gravely, such preaching has been deemed a hate crime, and pastors who indulge in it are fined $25,000, which "goes to lesbians."

A few of the protesters, meanwhile, were red-faced from yelling at their antagonists about homophobia and budget deficits and a senseless war. Republicans were incensed. A blond woman dragged her young redheaded son toward the protesters, pointed to them, and said, "These are the Democrats," speaking as if she was revealing an awful reality that he was finally old enough to face. As she walked away with a group of other mothers and children, she was so angry she could barely speak. A friend consoled her by promising her that Bush would win. After all, she pointed out, "Look how many more Bush supporters there were on the street!"

That calmed the angry blond woman down a little. But she was still mad. "We," she said, stammering and gesturing contemptuously at the demonstrators, "we are the way it should be!"

Infiniti2001
Oct 31st, 2004, 02:05 AM
Meanwhile I think the GOP is looking for candidates in the trash :tape:

This is from one of the blogs:

GOP Senate candidate in Oklahoma says blacks are genetically inferior
by John in DC - 10/30/2004 12:41:34 AM

That's why they don't live as long as us white folk. Yes, GOP pride at its finest.

A Republican Senate candidate from Oklahoma who has run into trouble over verbal gaffes was drawing fire again on Friday for saying black men have a "genetic predisposition" for a lower life expectancy than whites.
Of course, I understand the candidate, Tom Coburn, has a genetic predisposition for asshole






Oklahoma Black Leaders Upset Over Candidate Remark

Fri Oct 29, 8:37 PM ET Politics - Reuters



OKLAHOMA CITY, Okla. (Reuters) - A Republican Senate candidate from Oklahoma who has run into trouble over verbal gaffes was drawing fire again on Friday for saying black men have a "genetic predisposition" for a lower life expectancy than whites.








Dr. Tom Coburn, a Republican physician locked in a neck-and-neck struggle for a pivotal U.S. Senate seat, made the comment in a discussion of Social Security (news - web sites) privatization during a locally televised debate on Wednesday night.


Coburn said black males were statistically more likely to die before they could benefit from Social Security.


"What kind of plan is that, that we are going to take from those who have a genetic predisposition of less life expectancy, that we are going to steal from those and give it to somebody else?" Coburn asked on Wednesday.


Oklahoma is solidly Republican, but Coburn's largely self-inflicted political wounds have let his Democratic challenger, U.S. Rep. Brad Carson (news, bio, voting record), gain a narrow lead in surveys of likely voters.


Carson brushed aside Coburn's remark during the debate, but black politicians in Oklahoma blasted Coburn on Friday.


Angela Monson, a Democratic state representative from Oklahoma City, said the suggestion that blacks are genetically inferior was "bizarre."


"I think he was so bent on pushing the privatization of Social Security that he took this leap," she said. "A leap off the deep end."


John Hart, a Coburn campaign spokesman, released a statement saying the candidate merely was addressing an issue that Carson has ignored.


"Social Security, as it is structured today, discriminates against African-Americans because they have a lower life span. (Black leaders) should ask Brad Carson why he refuses to address that problem," Hart said.


Coburn has gotten into trouble for his statements before.


Among others, he has been criticized for saying doctors who perform abortions should get the death penalty.


And in 1997, when he was serving in the U.S. House of Representatives, he earned the wrath of his own Republican party by objecting to a broadcast of the Oscar-winning Holocaust film "Schindler's List," as an outrage to "decent-minded individuals" because it included violence, "vile language" and "irresponsible sexual activity."


Coburn's standing in the polls was also dented after a woman told a news conference last month that he had sterilized her without informing her in 1990 when he treated her for an ectopic pregnancy.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=584&e=9&u=/nm/20041030/pl_nm/campaign_oklahoma_senate_dc

LucasArg
Oct 31st, 2004, 08:16 AM
How can a man like him run for senator?

Crazy Canuck
Oct 31st, 2004, 08:53 AM
You can find people that obnoxious on the other side of the political spectrum too. I should know, I walked by a number the day before the Republican Convention and thought to myself "uh? Damn, you are a walking stereotype! I thought they made you people up! But damn! You're real!"

Steff_forever
Oct 31st, 2004, 09:02 AM
That whole scenario reminds me of the atmosphere in George Orwells 1984 created by a totalitarian administration that keeps its people together by building up mighty enemies ...

WAR is PEACE
FREEDOM is SLAVERY
IGNORANCE is STRENGTH


The bright future has already begun ...

Infiniti2001
Oct 31st, 2004, 03:42 PM
More GOP family values :rolleyes: :tape:




Candidate for Arkansas Legislature ends campaign after arrest record surfaces



Friday, October 29, 2004


(10-29) 17:58 PDT CONWAY, Ark. (AP) --
A Republican state legislative candidate suspended his campaign Friday after news surfaced of his arrest record for exposing himself to children.
Alan Fortney was arrested three times since 1981 on misdemeanor counts of indecent exposure. He was fined but never served time in jail, he told the Log Cabin Democrat newspaper of Conway, about 25 miles north of Little Rock.
In a statement, Fortney said he was suspending his campaign because he believes "it is in the best interest of my family and me personally to take my name out of consideration for this office."
Fortney, 42, told The Associated Press he didn't "know what else to say."
"My name will still be on there (the ballot) but I've discontinued my campaign. I pulled the ads, everything," he said.
If he gets elected anyway, Fortney said, "I will deal with it, at that time."
Fortney's Democratic opponent, Betty Pickett, said she was surprised but had no further comment.


Meanwhile the GOP continue to ride on the back of Christianity :rolleyes: I personally believe they should all be jailed for misrepresentation. :mad: :tape:

Bacardi
Oct 31st, 2004, 05:19 PM
If Bush is a Christian, I'd hate to see the Anti Christ. I still actually believe George W Bush is the Anti-Christ.

jacobruiz
Oct 31st, 2004, 06:43 PM
These crazy, even terrifying, right wing almost neo-nazi Republicans would have us think that they are the true voice of the American people!

THEY ARE NOT!!! AND WE WILL PROVE IT ON TUESDAY!!!!:mad:

This really is the most important election of our lifetime! Not just the Presidential race but the Senate and House of Representative and the judicial races as well.

VOTE!!! AND VOTE DEMOCRAT!!!

I'll certainly be watching the results of the Senate races everywhere, especially Oklahoma!

RVD
Oct 31st, 2004, 08:03 PM
These crazy, even terrifying, right wing almost neo-nazi Republicans would have us think that they are the true voice of the American people!

THEY ARE NOT!!! AND WE WILL PROVE IT ON TUESDAY!!!!:mad:

This really is the most important election of our lifetime! Not just the Presidential race but the Senate and House of Representative and the judicial races as well.

VOTE!!! AND VOTE DEMOCRAT!!!

I'll certainly be watching the results of the Senate races everywhere, especially Oklahoma!AMEN!!

Very disturbing stuff. But here's something even more disturbing...

I was listening to the news last night and darned if I didn't hear a report about Southern Blacks (those religiously predisposed) being supportive of Bush, solely on the issue of his anti-homosexual stance. WTF!!

What is it about homosexuality that has people of color so worked up? Hey, I'm a straight male, but I fully support and recognize freedom of (sexual) choice and expression. NEWSFLASH!! The world will not end if lesbian and gay couples marry! And the sanctity of marriage will not be threatened either.
God, I hate ignorance!

Then I read (many) articles similar to the ones that Infiniti2001 posted and wondered what the hell is wrong with people of color. Are they so blind that they cannot see the obvious hatred perpetrated against them by the Republicans, even when written or televised?

I hope with every fiber of my being that people wake up before it's too late and Bush is thrown on his empty pin-head. :lol:

jacobruiz
Nov 1st, 2004, 12:04 AM
AMEN!!

Very disturbing stuff. But here's something even more disturbing...

I was listening to the news last night and darned if I didn't hear a report about Southern Blacks (those religiously predisposed) being supportive of Bush, solely on the issue of his anti-homosexual stance. WTF!!

What is it about homosexuality that has people of color so worked up? Hey, I'm a straight male, but I fully support and recognize freedom of (sexual) choice and expression. NEWSFLASH!! The world will not end if lesbian and gay couples marry! And the sanctity of marriage will not be threatened either.
God, I hate ignorance!

Then I read (many) articles similar to the ones that Infiniti2001 posted and wondered what the hell is wrong with people of color. Are they so blind that they cannot see the obvious hatred perpetrated against them by the Republicans, even when written or televised?

I hope with every fiber of my being that people wake up before it's too late and Bush is thrown on his empty pin-head. :lol:

Me, too, in fact I am a nervous wreck waiting for election day results!

ReeVee, I've read that Bush got 8% of the Black vote in 2000, which is disturbing in itself, but polls now say that Bush has even MORE support this year!

And I suppose you've heard of the "Log Cabin Republicans" a group of GAY REPUBLICANS who of course support Bush!

I'm also straight, but I think gays should be allow to marry. The idea that gays participating in a legally sanctioned marriage is somehow going to destroy heterosexual marriage is ridiculous and totally unfounded. In fact, I wish Kerry and Edwards would stop pandering to the right-wing conservatives by saying they oppose it.

I think this country is taking a very dangerous turn to the right and the interests of the entire world are at stake in this election.

jelena4me
Nov 1st, 2004, 10:42 AM
During the 90s I really though the world was at last becoming more left wing, but there has been an amazing tide of fascism and fundamentalism that I really cant understand.

Look guys, it really doesnt matter whether you are white/black, gay/straight, christian/muslim, arab/jew, one legged, or have no teeth, provided you love everyone else and try and get on with them as best you can.

Im afraid much of the attitude we are witnessing in the US at the moment is totally contrary to this. (Its not solely the US of course, but why oh why are there so many fascist views being expressed , including by the christian church which just seems to be a totally ridiculous organisation)