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Grachka
Oct 2nd, 2004, 07:21 PM
Well i think its interesting! ;) Which of the following will be the first to declare their independence, if at all?

maoui11111
Oct 2nd, 2004, 07:29 PM
Quebec has a good chance.. not for now.. but eventually when there'll be a new government in power :P

*Karen*
Oct 2nd, 2004, 07:33 PM
If I had to pick I'd say Palestine. It might never happen though.

Coming from Scotland. I don't see it as a major problem, not being independent. It's not like we're at war with England. Although ruled from England, we have our own parliament and we make our own laws and things, so we do have some form of independence. Personally I like being part of Britain, even if we are ruled by the English. It's better for us economically to be British. We have a declining population. Only about 10% of Brits are Scottish.

It isn't like this in other countries such Palestine or Chechnya where not having independence is causing problems.

NOTE TO OTHER NATIONS, PARTICULARLY SOME AMERICANS. WE ARE BRITISH OR SCOTTISH, NOT ENGLISH

Grachka
Oct 2nd, 2004, 07:44 PM
*Karen* - don't let the flag fool you, I am a Scot really ;) but I come from the other side of the fence on that argument!

I do think Palestine is inevitable, just don't know when.

*Karen*
Oct 2nd, 2004, 07:48 PM
I remember you used to have a Scots flag. I wasn't sure if you were Scottish or not. I do agree that it would be nice to say we were totally independent. I just feel that if we lost England our economy would really suffer. Either way we know that we're our own country.

martirogi
Oct 2nd, 2004, 07:50 PM
hopefully palestine is a country soon

Grachka
Oct 2nd, 2004, 07:53 PM
I remember you used to have a Scots flag. I wasn't sure if you were Scottish or not. I do agree that it would be nice to say we were totally independent. I just feel that if we lost England our economy would really suffer. Either way we know that we're our own country.

I agree (about the separate country thing), and i wish more people knew it!

Andy T
Oct 2nd, 2004, 07:56 PM
Kurdistan deserves independence, too but the Turks, Syrians, Iranians and Iraqis will make sure they don't get it.

Shenanigans
Oct 2nd, 2004, 08:51 PM
The only way for people not to mix up Scotland and England is for Scotland to go independant. Ireland has a smaller population but has a much stronger identity than Scotland and a booming economy, so I do not think Scotland would suffer economically if they went down the independance route but I think alot of Scots are still afraid of what will happen economically if they go independant.

Fingon
Oct 3rd, 2004, 04:41 AM
Quebec http://www.wtaworld.com/images/polls/bar2-l.gifhttp://www.wtaworld.com/images/polls/bar2.gifhttp://www.wtaworld.com/images/polls/bar2-r.gif 213.33%Flanders http://www.wtaworld.com/images/polls/bar3-l.gifhttp://www.wtaworld.com/images/polls/bar3.gifhttp://www.wtaworld.com/images/polls/bar3-r.gif 213.33%Taiwan http://www.wtaworld.com/images/polls/bar4-l.gifhttp://www.wtaworld.com/images/polls/bar4.gifhttp://www.wtaworld.com/images/polls/bar4-r.gif 320.00%Chechnya http://www.wtaworld.com/images/polls/bar5-l.gifhttp://www.wtaworld.com/images/polls/bar5.gifhttp://www.wtaworld.com/images/polls/bar5-r.gif 213.33%Palestine http://www.wtaworld.com/images/polls/bar6-l.gifhttp://www.wtaworld.com/images/polls/bar6.gifhttp://www.wtaworld.com/images/polls/bar6-r.gif 426.67%Scotland http://www.wtaworld.com/images/polls/bar1-l.gifhttp://www.wtaworld.com/images/polls/bar1.gifhttp://www.wtaworld.com/images/polls/bar1-r.gif 16.67%Catalonia http://www.wtaworld.com/images/polls/bar2-l.gifhttp://www.wtaworld.com/images/polls/bar2.gifhttp://www.wtaworld.com/images/polls/bar2-r.gif 00%Basque Country http://www.wtaworld.com/images/polls/bar3-l.gifhttp://www.wtaworld.com/images/polls/bar3.gifhttp://www.wtaworld.com/images/polls/bar3-r.gif 00%Kosovo http://www.wtaworld.com/images/polls/bar4-l.gifhttp://www.wtaworld.com/images/polls/bar4.gifhttp://www.wtaworld.com/images/polls/bar4-r.gif 00%Alaska

Quebec: very unlikely, it's more the politicians than the people, and that would be too costly because Quebec would have to assume its debt, could not have the canadian dollar as currency and would not enjoy a special status.

There are only two provinces that give more money than they receive in Canada: Ontario and Alberta, Quebec would lose a lot of resources if it separated.

Flanders: nah, they bitch a lot but I don't think there ever was serious talk about separation, except maybe at the beginning (when Belgium and the Netherlands gained indepence from Spain).

Taiwan: it's independent, only that not formally, not likely to declare it because China opposes it and the western countries don't want to upset China now.

Chechnya: not in a million years, the Russians will not allow it.

Palestine: likely there will be some sort of Palestinian state at some point in the future, not while Arafat is in charge though.

Scotland: no, they are ok like they are, there some bitching but that's all.

Catalonia: where is that?

Basque Country: no, the ETA has lost strenght.

Kosovo: possible, but it would probably join Albania.

Alaska: are you serious?

~ The Leopard ~
Oct 3rd, 2004, 06:10 AM
Damn, I thought this was a cricket thread. :(

~ The Leopard ~
Oct 3rd, 2004, 06:15 AM
Anyway, wouldn't it be better to have more countries forming larger federations or unions (while retaining "national" identity) with a hope of one day having a world government, rather than having more and more countries splintering off? What's so terrible about having countries that cut across more than one "nation"? Surely it is actually a good thing, if people have their rights respected, etc.

Shenanigans
Oct 3rd, 2004, 06:24 AM
Anyway, wouldn't it be better to have more countries forming larger federations or unions (while retaining "national" identity) with a hope of one day having a world government, rather than having more and more countries splintering off? What's so terrible about having countries that cut across more than one "nation"? Surely it is actually a good thing, if people have their rights respected, etc.

If only it was as simple as that, Europe is coming together but breaking apart! National identity is important to people and they can have that and respect other cultures also, people like to feel part of a shared culture it is easier than trying to understand another culture.

Crazy Canuck
Oct 3rd, 2004, 07:08 AM
If only it was as simple as that, Europe is coming together but breaking apart! National identity is important to people and they can have that and respect other cultures also, people like to feel part of a shared culture it is easier than trying to understand another culture.
Can you not share a distinct culture from those that live a few hundred miles from you, but still live under the same general laws, government, blah? ;) I've been doing that my whole life, and save for a few whining separatists (I've always been of the opinion that they can have Baffin Island ;)), it's been a nonissue ;)

Sharapova's_Boy
Oct 3rd, 2004, 08:23 AM
Damn, I thought this was a cricket thread. :(
:lol:

CooCooCachoo
Oct 3rd, 2004, 08:26 AM
Taiwan :)

Cro-boy
Oct 3rd, 2004, 08:42 AM
Kosovo

Grachka
Oct 3rd, 2004, 08:47 AM
Anyway, wouldn't it be better to have more countries forming larger federations or unions (while retaining "national" identity) with a hope of one day having a world government, rather than having more and more countries splintering off? What's so terrible about having countries that cut across more than one "nation"? Surely it is actually a good thing, if people have their rights respected, etc.

Its always been my thought that Scotland would be better off separate in order to improve relations with neighbours. There are a lot of people that automatically blame England for our ills here, and a separate state, IMO, would solve this. I agree that it would be lovely to be in a position to have a world state, but the nature of government prevents it. People just don't accept differences well, and creating a larger state would only antagonise this.

Hayato
Oct 3rd, 2004, 09:31 AM
Taiwan :) Good thread!

James
Oct 3rd, 2004, 10:11 AM
I voted Palestine. It is unevitable, but still it will take a lot of time (next generation or so). I don't see Taiwan doing so soon, not unless China has a serious change of mind.

Perhaps Flanders would be a good option. We could finally get rid of those irritating people in Brussels that act like they can only speak French, but suddenly speak Dutch very well if you pay enough or threaten to go elsewhere. Sorry, personal grievance there. :tape:

Lemonskin.
Oct 3rd, 2004, 12:14 PM
Australia!

Andy T
Oct 3rd, 2004, 12:38 PM
The question for Quebec is if they got their independance would they let the vast tracts of Quebec populated by native Canadians either declare their own independance or remain a part of Canada?

Grachka
Oct 3rd, 2004, 02:51 PM
I voted Palestine. It is unevitable, but still it will take a lot of time (next generation or so). I don't see Taiwan doing so soon, not unless China has a serious change of mind.

Perhaps Flanders would be a good option. We could finally get rid of those irritating people in Brussels that act like they can only speak French, but suddenly speak Dutch very well if you pay enough or threaten to go elsewhere. Sorry, personal grievance there. :tape:

Controversial ;)

I'm surprised Taiwan is doing so well, given the threat of nuclear war that goes with it ;)

beauty_is_pink
Oct 3rd, 2004, 04:17 PM
damn u Quebec! :mad:

ZAK
Oct 3rd, 2004, 04:48 PM
I heard that Greenland is trying to formally seperate from Denmark, so that could happen soon.

PointBlank
Oct 3rd, 2004, 05:12 PM
Palestine..and I hope they get it soon :)

Why the hell is Alaska on there :scared:

spyro
Oct 3rd, 2004, 05:17 PM
I hope it is going to be Palestine ... So no war again between israel and palestine :)

¤CharlDa¤
Oct 3rd, 2004, 05:47 PM
Québec :D:D:D:D:D:D:D

AleOrtu
Oct 3rd, 2004, 06:01 PM
NOTE TO OTHER NATIONS, PARTICULARLY SOME AMERICANS. WE ARE BRITISH OR SCOTTISH, NOT ENGLISH

I agree! And I want to add:


NOTE TO OTHER NATIONS, PARTICULARY EUROPEANS:

AMERICA IS NOT A COUNTRY, AMERICA IS A CONTINENT
It starts in Canadá at the north and it ends in Argentina at the south.

Dava
Oct 3rd, 2004, 06:02 PM
I thought Palestine was NOW independant they werea t the Olympcs :confused:

I voted for Taiwan/Taipei

tfannis
Oct 4th, 2004, 04:26 PM
I hope Palestine, but I'm afraid that isn't going to happen soon :(

I sure hope not Flanders :eek: That would mean I live on a border and my neighbours across the street wouldn't be my countrymen anymore :unsure: Flanders would be a terrible country :rolleyes:

Kosovo might be the first, but I don't think any of them will be independent any time soon.

Veritas
Oct 4th, 2004, 04:37 PM
I can't believe Taiwan got 24% of the votes. If they try any direct move for 'independence', it will only aggravate China and before long, the island will be smothered with nuclear arsenal. Of course, this does not mean I do not like the idea of Taiwan standing on its own 2 feet: what I am trying to say is that the entire scenario is completely unrealistic. Even those "liberal" Western democracies are supporting China - they have yet to set up diplomatic ties with Taiwan and 'recognise' its 'independence'.

Barrie_Dude
Oct 4th, 2004, 06:58 PM
Quebec has a good chance.. not for now.. but eventually when there'll be a new government in power :PYou likely have as good a chance now as you will ever have with the Quebecois in power in your province and a Liberal Prime Minister

Farina Elia Fan
Oct 4th, 2004, 09:36 PM
NOTE TO OTHER NATIONS, PARTICULARLY SOME AMERICANS. WE ARE BRITISH OR SCOTTISH, NOT ENGLISH



same goes for the welsh!!!!

Crazy Canuck
Oct 4th, 2004, 10:16 PM
Bah to Quebec. They don't have anything more to whine about than the people out west and further out east do. Here is my propostion: Make Southern Ontario (including up to Ottawa) it's own country, and the rest of you can bitch and moan and see how well you do without us :cool:

Barrie_Dude
Oct 4th, 2004, 10:35 PM
Bah to Quebec. They don't have anything more to whine about than the people out west and further out east do. Here is my propostion: Make Southern Ontario (including up to Ottawa) it's own country, and the rest of you can bitch and moan and see how well you do without us :cool:Wait! I don't want Ottawa! Far too much hot air in Ottawa!

PointBlank
Oct 5th, 2004, 01:01 AM
I thought Palestine was NOW independant they werea t the Olympcs :confused:
They were represented by 1 women at the Olympics,yes,but also Hong Kong was at the Olympics and they are part of China

Venus_Serena
Oct 5th, 2004, 01:06 AM
Québec:worship:

Mase
Oct 5th, 2004, 01:47 AM
Virginia.


Im kidding people... :lol:

Crazy Canuck
Oct 5th, 2004, 02:22 AM
Virginia.


Im kidding people... :lol:
Why not, you'd do about as well as Quebec ;)

polishprodigy
Oct 5th, 2004, 03:27 AM
Taiwan, even though it is kinda already independent.

As that is semi-excluded, I choose Kosovo as a second answer.

Quebec will never become independent. It has no reason to and would suffer economically if it did.

XaDavK_Kapri
Oct 5th, 2004, 03:33 AM
Taiwan, even though it is kinda already independent.

As that is semi-excluded, I choose Kosovo as a second answer.

Quebec will never become independent. It has no reason to and would suffer economically if it did.
:lol: No reason ? Do you want me to make a list ? :rolleyes:

I Love Sharapova
Oct 5th, 2004, 03:58 AM
Alaska????? :confused: :lol: :lol: :haha: :haha: :haha: :rolleyes:

Dirty Sanchez
Oct 5th, 2004, 10:08 AM
NOTE TO OTHER NATIONS, PARTICULARLY SOME AMERICANS. WE ARE BRITISH OR SCOTTISH, NOT ENGLISH
Lol, just about all my family is Welsh so we get that a lot! In America some guy asked my mum where she was from and she said Wales and he replied "Wales? Is that in England?". My dad ended up giving him a Geography lesson on how England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland made up the United Kingdom! :lol: :p

*Karen*
Oct 5th, 2004, 10:39 AM
Lol, just about all my family is Welsh so we get that a lot! In America some guy asked my mum where she was from and she said Wales and he replied "Wales? Is that in England?". My dad ended up giving him a Geography lesson on how England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland made up the United Kingdom! :lol: :p

I was in America and this guy asked me when I learned to speak English.

Cassius
Oct 6th, 2004, 12:05 PM
I voted Chechnya, because they already declared independence in the early 90s.

I don't think Taiwan will ever declare independence away from China, because China said if it does, they will invade and re-take the island by force.

XaDavK_Kapri
Oct 6th, 2004, 03:36 PM
I voted Chechnya, because they already declared independence in the early 90s.

I don't think Taiwan will ever declare independence away from China, because China said if it does, they will invade and re-take the island by force.
Wow, that surprises me coming from China... They look so peaceful :rolleyes:

Nobody
Oct 6th, 2004, 05:05 PM
Why the hell would Scotland go Independant? It's hardly Ireland!

Grachka
Oct 6th, 2004, 09:08 PM
Why the hell would Scotland go Independant? It's hardly Ireland!

Well that was hardly a pearl of wisdom, was it? :rolleyes:

I Love Sharapova
Oct 6th, 2004, 10:52 PM
I voted Quebec. I still can't believe that 2 people voted for Alaska. :bounce: :bounce: :lol: :lol: :haha: :haha: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

salima
Oct 7th, 2004, 06:09 AM
:wavey: Karen

I noticed you wrote this "NOTE TO OTHER NATIONS, PARTICULARLY SOME AMERICANS. WE ARE BRITISH OR SCOTTISH, NOT ENGLISH"

I am Norwegian, and over here it is the other way. In schoolbooks you learn that Scotland is a part of Britain, but most people recognise Scotland as an independent or semi independent country.
Examples:
A colleague of mine looked for the adress to the Scottish embassy
No one would say they had been in England, if they had visited Scotland
A scot is regarded as "a brother", an Englishman almost an alien

Witch nation, I do not like to pick one, Chechenya, maybee, I am afraid a lot of blood is between now and their independency.
Should I launch my own candidate, it would be Kashmir or the part of Moldova called Prednestre

Halardfan
Oct 7th, 2004, 08:48 AM
A Scot is regarded as "a brother", an Englishman almost an alien


Thanks a lot. ;)

Truthwillout
Oct 7th, 2004, 09:30 AM
Funny that Corsica wasn't included in the list.

*Karen*
Oct 7th, 2004, 12:30 PM
I agree! And I want to add:


NOTE TO OTHER NATIONS, PARTICULARY EUROPEANS:

AMERICA IS NOT A COUNTRY, AMERICA IS A CONTINENT
It starts in Canadá at the north and it ends in Argentina at the south.

What should we call people from the US then?

Princess Fiona
Oct 7th, 2004, 02:48 PM
Wales!! ;)

(I would like the Welsh Assembly to have more powers like the Scottish Parliament... But I don't know. I would certainly like to have more knowledge about such things... I watch "Question Time" and the political shows sometimes but I am LACKING in this department... :sad: )

This is an interesting thread. :)

Truthwillout
Oct 7th, 2004, 03:28 PM
Wales!! ;)

(I would like the Welsh Assembly to have more powers like the Scottish Parliament... But I don't know. I would certainly like to have more knowledge about such things... I watch "Question Time" and the political shows sometimes but I am LACKING in this department... :sad: )

This is an interesting thread. :)

Wales has actually more powers than many regions in so-called federal states (e.g. education and revival of the Welsh language)

Truthwillout
Oct 7th, 2004, 03:29 PM
What should we call people from the US then?

Users?

Princess Fiona
Oct 7th, 2004, 04:04 PM
Wales has actually more powers than many regions in so-called federal states (e.g. education and revival of the Welsh language)
:) (And I really should get round to learning Welsh one day... )

I don't know. I was born in England but brought up in Wales from a very early (early!) age.

I am pleased that Wales has the autonomy that it has. I will say 'Welsh' as opposed to 'British' when asked my nationality... (And the Welsh flag isn't represented on the Union Jack) I would love to see a Wales with more confidence. I don't know if I'm really 100% qualified to give an opinion on this right now... Maybe when I am older and I have more confidence and have more facts... ;)

I will not give my age away... *zzzzzzip* ;)

Farina Elia Fan
Oct 7th, 2004, 04:07 PM
:) (And I really should get round to learning Welsh one day... )

I don't know. I was born in England but brought up in Wales from a very early (early!) age.

I am pleased that Wales has the autonomy that it has. I will say 'Welsh' as opposed to 'British' when asked my nationality... (And the Welsh flag isn't represented on the Union Jack) I would love to see a Wales with more confidence. I don't know if I'm really 100% qualified to give an opinion on this right now... Maybe when I am older and I have more confidence and have more facts... ;)

I will not give my age away... *zzzzzzip* ;)



Cymru, Cymru!!!! I also say im welsh rather than british!!!

Just Do It
May 21st, 2009, 02:47 PM
BUMP.

It was Taiwan, Palestine and then Kosovo.

Bezz
May 21st, 2009, 04:18 PM
I would like to vote Scotland out of the UK if that helps?

Leaving it up to them to decide is taking too long.....i think the english/welsh should do it for them ;).

InsideOut.
May 21st, 2009, 04:26 PM
BUMP.

It was Taiwan, Palestine and then Kosovo.

Taiwan never declared independence.

*JR*
May 21st, 2009, 04:50 PM
Alaska: are you serious?
You betcha! :wavey:

http://www.akip.org/images/aip-ban2.jpg

President Palin, Why Wait?

madlove
May 22nd, 2009, 03:31 AM
taiwan please!

LeonHart
May 22nd, 2009, 04:03 AM
Taiwan is already independent...in every way possible other than world recognition, which is totally idiotic because it IS a separate country with a separate government but they don't wanna piss off China.

LeonHart
May 22nd, 2009, 04:20 AM
I can't believe Taiwan got 24% of the votes. If they try any direct move for 'independence', it will only aggravate China and before long, the island will be smothered with nuclear arsenal. Of course, this does not mean I do not like the idea of Taiwan standing on its own 2 feet: what I am trying to say is that the entire scenario is completely unrealistic. Even those "liberal" Western democracies are supporting China - they have yet to set up diplomatic ties with Taiwan and 'recognise' its 'independence'.

Yeah, and why are people supporting China for this? Only because they're scared of war.

InsideOut.
May 22nd, 2009, 04:48 AM
Taiwan is already independent...in every way possible other than world recognition, which is totally idiotic because it IS a separate country with a separate government but they don't wanna piss off China.

Officially, the Taiwanese government is known as the Republic of China and lays claim to the whole of Mainland China. :shrug: INCLUDING Beijing. :o