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scoop
Mar 12th, 2002, 11:58 PM
There seems to be plenty of empty seats at Indian Wells, or are my eyes deceiving me?

Serena y Monica
Mar 13th, 2002, 12:06 AM
Must be your eyes, because Cliff Drysdale and a bought and paid for report says ticket sales and or attendance are both up:rolleyes:

scoop
Mar 13th, 2002, 12:10 AM
Well there must be a no-refund clause for those pre-purchased seats, because there's no-one sitting in half the seats...unless everyone got up for refreshments at the same time.

Tratree
Mar 13th, 2002, 07:29 AM
It's really amusing how you guys who aren't even at Indian Wells know more about the attendance than the paper or Cliff Drysdale. Just because there are empty seats in the main stadium, which there always are....it's HUGE, same with Arthur Ashe, doesn't mean attendance is down. The stadium is NEVER full except for the finals. The rest of the stadiums were PACKED all day today. The only seats you saw empty at stadium 2 where Hantuchova/Raymond played were the the reserved seats for box ticket holders. The parking lots are packed and there are people EVERYWHERE on the grounds. If you want to fool yourself to believe this tournament is going to fold up and die because Venus, Serena and Jennifer didn't show up, think again.

treufreund
Mar 13th, 2002, 08:49 AM
NOOOOOOOOOO Tratree! Even though you have been there you are still WRONG! Just kidding! Thanks so much for all of your wonderful reports from the tournament. Don't be worried about the DENIAL that some people are in on this board. It's hard for them to fathom watching a tournament with Jenn, Venus or Serena and yet they sure do have a lot to say about it and are still following the tournament. :rolleyes:

saby
Mar 13th, 2002, 09:45 PM
I was watching Hewitt/Pavel, seats were not empty

:angel: :angel: :angel:

wongqks
Mar 13th, 2002, 09:55 PM
well I saw some of the Samshnova/Galiardi match, and they were really really empty, but good news is that today when I had a pip at the Monica and ASV match, the stadium is quite full, so hopefully from ehre onwards, we don't have to bear on the emtpy seats

Serena y Monica
Mar 13th, 2002, 11:05 PM
This is really silly but I was watching Monica and ASV and alot of sets were empty...also very funny that they didn't pan the stadium so one we couldn't see just how empty or full.

wongqks
Mar 13th, 2002, 11:06 PM
Are we watching the same match LOL, I think teh stadium is at lest 60% full which is quite good already I think even by lsat year standard

alessandrochus
Mar 13th, 2002, 11:13 PM
monica make the seats become full...

great seles! the crowd loves you:kiss: :bounce:

harloo
Mar 13th, 2002, 11:48 PM
The outside courts were closed down due to the sandstorm, so they must of escorted everyone to court centre because at the beginning of the match the stadium was pretty empty. During the weekend is when it usually fills up in the later rounds.

Greenout
Mar 14th, 2002, 01:58 AM
The "gold" seats and "sponsor" seats holders
only show up on Weekends or Friday night.

I don't know why AMERICAN tournament
organizers are so damn greedy. In ASIA
the so called front row tickets are sold
to students who show their school I.D's
at a discounted rate on morning and weekday
matches. The front row tickets are also sold to
fans who show up for early round matches on
weekdays; again at a discounted price.

venusrocks
Mar 14th, 2002, 03:13 AM
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Williams Rulez
Mar 14th, 2002, 03:15 AM
Originally posted by Greenout
The "gold" seats and "sponsor" seats holders
only show up on Weekends or Friday night.

I don't know why AMERICAN tournament
organizers are so damn greedy. In ASIA
the so called front row tickets are sold
to students who show their school I.D's
at a discounted rate on morning and weekday
matches. The front row tickets are also sold to
fans who show up for early round matches on
weekdays; again at a discounted price.

Oh Greenout... when is the next tournament being held? I wanna go! :bounce: :bounce:

Bright Red
Mar 14th, 2002, 03:55 AM
Judging from today's coverage of Hewitt/Pavel, I'd say the seats were quite empty. No more than half of the seats were filled.

Whether people paid for the seats or not, there was space. Anyone who denies that the tournament suffers as a result of the top names not showing up can't be serious.

Rollo
Mar 14th, 2002, 03:29 PM
We'll have to wait for final attendence figures-last year was a record 190,000, 2000 was 186,000. If this were a women's only event the numbers could fall, but I doubt IW has suffered much this year. The bigger and more established events suffer less from missing top stars.
Had the 4 big names been here figures would be higher,no doubt, but that's different from all this "the sky is falling and IW is failing talk."


Do the math and you'll see that only a couple of days last year could have been sell-outs. When the main stadium seats 16,000 even 8,000 looks empty.
Hell, Scottsdale had over 5,000 for the final between Serena and Capriati, but I saw some empty seats.

TheBoiledEgg
Mar 14th, 2002, 03:40 PM
The Spectators who paid to see the Stadium Court matches can be elsewhere watching on outside courts.

Same thing happens at US Open, where Arthur Ashe Court is always empty until Night Session when thats the only court in use.

Bright Red
Mar 14th, 2002, 04:05 PM
I see the point that empty seats don't necessarily mean that the tournament wasn't successful. I agree with it from a financial standpoint. My point is that even if the tournament does OK this year, it has undoubtedly suffered as a result of the absence of the best WTA players on the tour.

I would say that this year IW may not be hurt as much financially due to advance ticket sales, and some of the other arguments made in this thread (although who knows how good it could have been had all of the top players shown up). However, it will probably suffer most by a decrease in fan satisfaction and actual attendance. I doubt most tennis fans enjoy watching a watered down field compete.

And should the top women refrain from competing at IW next year and several more years to come, then the tournament will certainly suffer tremendously (financially, attendance, and otherwise).

vw43
Mar 14th, 2002, 04:10 PM
I agree that attendance would have been higher if the higher ranked players had chosen to participate but I disagree that the fans are dissatisfied. I think the true tennis fans are truly interested in getting to see some of the talent that they may not have taken the time to see before.

:)

Bright Red
Mar 14th, 2002, 04:23 PM
Good point, vw. Surely, there are those who delight in having the opportunity to see some of the other players compete for a longer period of time.

But I would argue that pretty much anyone who is a fan of a particular player is a true fan--not just those who happen to be fans of the lesser players. And since the top players have the most fans, a considerable number of true fans are disappointed.

I, for one, am disappointed in the tournament. I have only watched one match.

moon
Mar 14th, 2002, 06:08 PM
thank you Bright Red!

I'm pretty sick of hearing this "so you're not a REAL tennis fan" crap. Because I'm a fan of Venus and I'm disappointed that she doesn't play, doesn't mean I'm any less of a fan because I'm not impressed with Gagliardi.

Who are any of you people to judge who is a real tennis fan and who is not?

Personally, I'm going to watch, because ANY tennis is better than NO tennis. But all this elitist I'm better than you are because I'm a REAL fan, just doesn't make any sense to me.

vw43
Mar 14th, 2002, 06:16 PM
I don't think I worded my post right. I am a fan of Jennifer Capriati, she is my favorite player but I also am just a plain, old fan of tennis. Therefore, I don't have to be watching Jen to enjoy myself, I just have to be watching tennis..

I didn't mean that those who are fans of lesser players are the only true tennis fans....;)

moon
Mar 14th, 2002, 06:26 PM
vw--apologies, my post was not directed just at you, but it's not the first time I've seen that sentiment over the last few days.

besides, I know you like Jen. I remember you from the other board. ;)

vw43
Mar 14th, 2002, 06:33 PM
:) I remember you too, that's why I wanted to clear that up real quick...lol...

I don't want to be on your badside...:fiery:

ang :angel: