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LADIEZ CHAMPION
Sep 7th, 2004, 08:01 PM
A player who is claimed by some Graf fanatics to be the best of of ALL time does not have to rely on the #1 ranked player in the world (who is just a tennager and #1 for consecutive years while winning 9 of the 11 biggest events in the sport over a period of more than 2 years) being stabbed in the back with a knife.

The Monica Seles incident in Hamburg, Germany at the end of April in 1993 -- especially when you take into consideration how dominant the young teenage Seles was in the months November 1990 through April 1993 -- SEALS it that Graf was not the best of all time.

Graf was in the middle of her career in the early 1990s -- and yet Seles as a teenager was the one ranked #1 and the one winning 9 of those 11 biggest titles between November 1990 and January 1993 -- and this, within itself, eliminates Graf from consideration as the top woman tennis player of all time.

SO WE LOOK AT THE 12 BIGGEST SINGLES TITLES IN WOMEN'S TENNIS DURING THE 30 MONTHS BEFORE THE STABBING:

1990 1991 1992 1993 1994

************************************************** ******
1990 WTA Championships MONICA SELES
1991 Australian Open MONICA SELES
1991 French Open MONICA SELES

1991 Wimbledon STEFFI GRAF

1991 U.S. Open MONICA SELES
1991 WTA Championships MONICA SELES
1992 Australian Open MONICA SELES
1992 French Open MONICA SELES

1992 Wimbledon STEFFI GRAF

1992 U.S. Open MONICA SELES
1992 WTA Championships MONICA SELES
1993 Australian Open MONICA SELES
************************************************** *******
Navratilova in her mid 30s (turned 34 in 1990 .. turned 35 in 1991 .. turned 36 in 1992 .. and turned 37 in 1993) had a winning record vs. Graf in the 1990s prior to the stabbing of Monica Seles in April 1993, including the only match Navratilova and Graf played against each other in a Grand Slam singles match during the 1990s.

Steffi was almost 18 years of age before she was able to win back to back matches against Navratilova for the first time. Of course, Navratilova was over 30 years of age by then.

The first time that Graf was able to win MORE than just 2 matches consecutively vs. Navratilova was when Graf was over 19 years of age and when Navratilova was close to the age Andre Agassi is now.

STILL .. Navratilova in her mid to upper 30s had a winning record vs. Graf in the years 1990-1993, including Martina winning the only match between the 2 at a Grand Slam event during the 1990s.


Seles, of course, as a top ranked teen phenom in the years 1990 through 1993, had a winning record vs. Graf as well before a jealous Steffi Graf fan stabbed Seles in the back with a knife.

************************************************** *******
1989 Brighton International (Brighton) Final 7-5, 6-4 Steffi Graf
1989 Roland Garros (Paris) Semifinal 6-3, 3-6, 6-3 Steffi Graf
1989 Wimbledon (London) 4th round 6-0, 6-1 Steffi Graf
************************************************** *******
***Monica made her professional debut in 1989 at 15 years of age where she lost all of her matches 0-3 against then world number one Steffi Graf who made her professional debut in 1983 and was four (4) years older than Seles. But, that was just the beginning for Seles***

***By 1990 up until 1993( before the stabbing), Monica Seles took over the top ranking has 4-3 advantage against Graf in head to head match-ups and was 3-1 in Grand Slam Finals against Graf who had fallen to a consistent number two.***
************************************************** ******
1990 Lufthansa Cup (Berlin) Final 6-4, 6-3 Monica Seles
1990 Roland Garros (Paris) Final 7-6, 6-4 Monica Seles
1991 Citizen Cup (Hambourg) Final 7-5, 6-7 (4-7), 6-3 Steffi Graf
1991 Women's Hardcourt Champs (San Antonio) Final 6-4, 6-3 Steffi Graf
1992 Roland Garros (Paris) Final 6-2, 3-6, 10-8 Monica Seles
1992 Wimbledon (London) Final 6-2, 6-1 Steffi Graf
1993 Australian Open (Melbourne) Final 4-6, 6-3, 6-2 Monica Seles
************************************************** *******
***Monica Seles also won her very last match against second ranked Graf at the Finals of the 1993 Australian Open***

In addition, no player in women's tennis history has won more than the 10 out of 12 major singles titles that Monica Seles won in those 30 months before being stabbed in April 1990 --- although Martina Navratilova in her prime 10 years earlier managed to match that 10 of the 12 biggest singles titles played consecutively.

Based on the 12 biggest events between the end of 1990 and the early part of 1993 there was nothing whatsoever which would suggest that undisputed world number one Monica Seles was not going to continue her dominance over women's tennis going forward.

Monica Seles was the ONLY player in women's tennis to win 2 of the 5 biggest singles titles in women's tennis in 1990 ... 1991 ... 1992 ... and the ONLY player to win a Grand Slam singles title in 1993 before she was stabbed in 1993 by a Steffi Graf fan.

No way Steffi Graf is the best woman tennis player in tennis history when you consider the truth of Steffi Graf, Martina Navratilova and Monica Seles in the years 1990-1993. Far from it...Not even close.... :angel:
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I just haven't quite figured out how to beat her"..........

------Steffi Graf.......
after her loss to Monica Seles at the Australian Open Finals, 1993.......


Steffi Graf's Career in a Nutshell.......

Gunther Parche
and WEAK Competition once Seles was gone.
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Here's some excerpts of an interview with Steffi Graf ( November 1993) 8 months after the violent stabbing of Monica Seles and after winning consecutive slams namely the 1993 French, 1993 Wimbledon and the 1993 US Open and taking over the number one ranking from the injured Seles.

Graf lost the 1993 Australian Open Finals to Seles three months before the stabbing.

November 1993
Steffi Graf
Interview by: DIETER SCHÖN
New York

WELT am SONNTAG: Ms. Graf, 1993 was very successful for you. Are you
satisfied?

Graf: To win three of four Grand Slams and to be in the final of the
other - that is extremely good. Yes, I am satisfied.

WaS: Though your success will also always be compared with what might
have been if Monica Seles hadn't been injured. How do you handle that?

Graf: I see it quite realistically. Of course the people are right,
and I might not have won one title or another, if Monica would have
played........

WaS: Do you regret that Monica Seles isn't around at the moment?

Graf: That is correct. When the number one is missing, something is missing......

AjdeNate!
Sep 8th, 2004, 03:07 AM
:yeah: ;)

LDVTennis
Sep 8th, 2004, 05:11 AM
Ladiez Champion, you are an i...t. There it had to be said. No more mincing of words.

I only hope that in the world outside of these boards you are not the person whom your words make you out to be here. Because if you are, then, no amount of deception, fraud, backstabbing, ass-kissing, or other extracurricular activity is going to save you from the mediocrity that awaits you.

geojango
Sep 8th, 2004, 05:19 AM
i agree with you:

:worship: martina :worship: is the greatest player in the history of the game!!!

LADIEZ CHAMPION
Sep 8th, 2004, 05:34 AM
Ladiez Champion, you are an i...t. There it had to be said. No more mincing of words.

I only hope that in the world outside of these boards you are not the person whom your words make you out to be here. Because if you are, then, no amount of deception, fraud, backstabbing, ass-kissing, or other extracurricular activity is going to save you from the mediocrity that awaits you.


only a mentally disturbed person can ever post such evil words...very very disturbing:angel:

Here again is the truth..
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A player who is claimed by some Graf fanatics to be the best of of ALL time does not have to rely on the #1 ranked player in the world (who is just a tennager and #1 for consecutive years while winning 9 of the 11 biggest events in the sport over a period of more than 2 years) being stabbed in the back with a knife.

The Monica Seles incident in Hamburg, Germany at the end of April in 1993 -- especially when you take into consideration how dominant the young teenage Seles was in the months November 1990 through April 1993 -- SEALS it that Graf was not the best of all time.

Graf was in the middle of her career in the early 1990s -- and yet Seles as a teenager was the one ranked #1 and the one winning 9 of those 11 biggest titles between November 1990 and January 1993 -- and this, within itself, eliminates Graf from consideration as the top woman tennis player of all time.

SO WE LOOK AT THE 12 BIGGEST SINGLES TITLES IN WOMEN'S TENNIS DURING THE 30 MONTHS BEFORE THE STABBING:

1990 1991 1992 1993 1994

************************************************** ******
1990 WTA Championships MONICA SELES
1991 Australian Open MONICA SELES
1991 French Open MONICA SELES

1991 Wimbledon STEFFI GRAF

1991 U.S. Open MONICA SELES
1991 WTA Championships MONICA SELES
1992 Australian Open MONICA SELES
1992 French Open MONICA SELES

1992 Wimbledon STEFFI GRAF

1992 U.S. Open MONICA SELES
1992 WTA Championships MONICA SELES
1993 Australian Open MONICA SELES
************************************************** *******
Navratilova in her mid 30s (turned 34 in 1990 .. turned 35 in 1991 .. turned 36 in 1992 .. and turned 37 in 1993) had a winning record vs. Graf in the 1990s prior to the stabbing of Monica Seles in April 1993, including the only match Navratilova and Graf played against each other in a Grand Slam singles match during the 1990s.

Steffi was almost 18 years of age before she was able to win back to back matches against Navratilova for the first time. Of course, Navratilova was over 30 years of age by then.

The first time that Graf was able to win MORE than just 2 matches consecutively vs. Navratilova was when Graf was over 19 years of age and when Navratilova was close to the age Andre Agassi is now.

STILL .. Navratilova in her mid to upper 30s had a winning record vs. Graf in the years 1990-1993, including Martina winning the only match between the 2 at a Grand Slam event during the 1990s.


Seles, of course, as a top ranked teen phenom in the years 1990 through 1993, had a winning record vs. Graf as well before a jealous Steffi Graf fan stabbed Seles in the back with a knife.

************************************************** *******
1989 Brighton International (Brighton) Final 7-5, 6-4 Steffi Graf
1989 Roland Garros (Paris) Semifinal 6-3, 3-6, 6-3 Steffi Graf
1989 Wimbledon (London) 4th round 6-0, 6-1 Steffi Graf
************************************************** *******
***Monica made her professional debut in 1989 at 15 years of age where she lost all of her matches 0-3 against then world number one Steffi Graf who made her professional debut in 1983 and was four (4) years older than Seles. But, that was just the beginning for Seles***

***By 1990 up until 1993( before the stabbing), Monica Seles took over the top ranking has 4-3 advantage against Graf in head to head match-ups and was 3-1 in Grand Slam Finals against Graf who had fallen to a consistent number two.***
************************************************** ******
1990 Lufthansa Cup (Berlin) Final 6-4, 6-3 Monica Seles
1990 Roland Garros (Paris) Final 7-6, 6-4 Monica Seles
1991 Citizen Cup (Hambourg) Final 7-5, 6-7 (4-7), 6-3 Steffi Graf
1991 Women's Hardcourt Champs (San Antonio) Final 6-4, 6-3 Steffi Graf
1992 Roland Garros (Paris) Final 6-2, 3-6, 10-8 Monica Seles
1992 Wimbledon (London) Final 6-2, 6-1 Steffi Graf
1993 Australian Open (Melbourne) Final 4-6, 6-3, 6-2 Monica Seles
************************************************** *******
***Monica Seles also won her very last match against second ranked Graf at the Finals of the 1993 Australian Open***

In addition, no player in women's tennis history has won more than the 10 out of 12 major singles titles that Monica Seles won in those 30 months before being stabbed in April 1990 --- although Martina Navratilova in her prime 10 years earlier managed to match that 10 of the 12 biggest singles titles played consecutively.

Based on the 12 biggest events between the end of 1990 and the early part of 1993 there was nothing whatsoever which would suggest that undisputed world number one Monica Seles was not going to continue her dominance over women's tennis going forward.

Monica Seles was the ONLY player in women's tennis to win 2 of the 5 biggest singles titles in women's tennis in 1990 ... 1991 ... 1992 ... and the ONLY player to win a Grand Slam singles title in 1993 before she was stabbed in 1993 by a Steffi Graf fan.

No way Steffi Graf is the best woman tennis player in tennis history when you consider the truth of Steffi Graf, Martina Navratilova and Monica Seles in the years 1990-1993. Far from it...Not even close....
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

I just haven't quite figured out how to beat her"..........

------Steffi Graf.......
after her loss to Monica Seles at the Australian Open Finals, 1993.......


Steffi Graf's Career in a Nutshell.......

Gunther Parche
and WEAK Competition once Seles was gone.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Here's some excerpts of an interview with Steffi Graf ( November 1993) 8 months after the violent stabbing of Monica Seles and after winning consecutive slams namely the 1993 French, 1993 Wimbledon and the 1993 US Open and taking over the number one ranking from the injured Seles.

Graf lost the 1993 Australian Open Finals to Seles three months before the stabbing.

November 1993
Steffi Graf
Interview by: DIETER SCHÖN
New York

WELT am SONNTAG: Ms. Graf, 1993 was very successful for you. Are you
satisfied?

Graf: To win three of four Grand Slams and to be in the final of the
other - that is extremely good. Yes, I am satisfied.

WaS: Though your success will also always be compared with what might
have been if Monica Seles hadn't been injured. How do you handle that?

Graf: I see it quite realistically. Of course the people are right,
and I might not have won one title or another, if Monica would have
played........

WaS: Do you regret that Monica Seles isn't around at the moment?

Graf: That is correct. When the number one is missing, something is missing......

irma
Sep 8th, 2004, 05:39 AM
:yeah: ;)
You are kidding that you appreciate this idiot right? :confused:
He with another username was :worship: 93 yesterday. it was almost funny how people overlooked that because it was between steffi bashings so it looked that it was meant as a steffi bashing.

LADIEZ CHAMPION
Sep 8th, 2004, 05:42 AM
You are kidding that you appreciate this idiot right? :confused:
He with another username was :worship: 93 yesterday. it was almost funny how people overlooked that because it was between steffi bashings so it looked that it was meant as a steffi bashing.

you little piece of s***, do we need to pay homage to your beloved idol in this board to satisfy your obsession? If posters write the truth about the amazing career of Monica Seles..these fanatics twist it to be steffi bashing. Some obviously forgot that this great message board is not the exclusive shrine of their beloved idol. how sick is that? :angel:

Monica Seles was the best!

williamsharapov
Sep 8th, 2004, 07:50 AM
A player who is claimed by some Graf fanatics to be the best of of ALL time does not have to rely on the #1 ranked player in the world (who is just a tennager and #1 for consecutive years while winning 9 of the 11 biggest events in the sport over a period of more than 2 years) being stabbed in the back with a knife.

The Monica Seles incident in Hamburg, Germany at the end of April in 1993 -- especially when you take into consideration how dominant the young teenage Seles was in the months November 1990 through April 1993 -- SEALS it that Graf was not the best of all time.

Graf was in the middle of her career in the early 1990s -- and yet Seles as a teenager was the one ranked #1 and the one winning 9 of those 11 biggest titles between November 1990 and January 1993 -- and this, within itself, eliminates Graf from consideration as the top woman tennis player of all time.

SO WE LOOK AT THE 12 BIGGEST SINGLES TITLES IN WOMEN'S TENNIS DURING THE 30 MONTHS BEFORE THE STABBING:

1990 1991 1992 1993 1994

************************************************** ******
1990 WTA Championships MONICA SELES
1991 Australian Open MONICA SELES
1991 French Open MONICA SELES

1991 Wimbledon STEFFI GRAF

1991 U.S. Open MONICA SELES
1991 WTA Championships MONICA SELES
1992 Australian Open MONICA SELES
1992 French Open MONICA SELES

1992 Wimbledon STEFFI GRAF

1992 U.S. Open MONICA SELES
1992 WTA Championships MONICA SELES
1993 Australian Open MONICA SELES
************************************************** *******
Navratilova in her mid 30s (turned 34 in 1990 .. turned 35 in 1991 .. turned 36 in 1992 .. and turned 37 in 1993) had a winning record vs. Graf in the 1990s prior to the stabbing of Monica Seles in April 1993, including the only match Navratilova and Graf played against each other in a Grand Slam singles match during the 1990s.

Steffi was almost 18 years of age before she was able to win back to back matches against Navratilova for the first time. Of course, Navratilova was over 30 years of age by then.

The first time that Graf was able to win MORE than just 2 matches consecutively vs. Navratilova was when Graf was over 19 years of age and when Navratilova was close to the age Andre Agassi is now.

STILL .. Navratilova in her mid to upper 30s had a winning record vs. Graf in the years 1990-1993, including Martina winning the only match between the 2 at a Grand Slam event during the 1990s.


Seles, of course, as a top ranked teen phenom in the years 1990 through 1993, had a winning record vs. Graf as well before a jealous Steffi Graf fan stabbed Seles in the back with a knife.

************************************************** *******
1989 Brighton International (Brighton) Final 7-5, 6-4 Steffi Graf
1989 Roland Garros (Paris) Semifinal 6-3, 3-6, 6-3 Steffi Graf
1989 Wimbledon (London) 4th round 6-0, 6-1 Steffi Graf
************************************************** *******
***Monica made her professional debut in 1989 at 15 years of age where she lost all of her matches 0-3 against then world number one Steffi Graf who made her professional debut in 1983 and was four (4) years older than Seles. But, that was just the beginning for Seles***

***By 1990 up until 1993( before the stabbing), Monica Seles took over the top ranking has 4-3 advantage against Graf in head to head match-ups and was 3-1 in Grand Slam Finals against Graf who had fallen to a consistent number two.***
************************************************** ******
1990 Lufthansa Cup (Berlin) Final 6-4, 6-3 Monica Seles
1990 Roland Garros (Paris) Final 7-6, 6-4 Monica Seles
1991 Citizen Cup (Hambourg) Final 7-5, 6-7 (4-7), 6-3 Steffi Graf
1991 Women's Hardcourt Champs (San Antonio) Final 6-4, 6-3 Steffi Graf
1992 Roland Garros (Paris) Final 6-2, 3-6, 10-8 Monica Seles
1992 Wimbledon (London) Final 6-2, 6-1 Steffi Graf
1993 Australian Open (Melbourne) Final 4-6, 6-3, 6-2 Monica Seles
************************************************** *******
***Monica Seles also won her very last match against second ranked Graf at the Finals of the 1993 Australian Open***

In addition, no player in women's tennis history has won more than the 10 out of 12 major singles titles that Monica Seles won in those 30 months before being stabbed in April 1990 --- although Martina Navratilova in her prime 10 years earlier managed to match that 10 of the 12 biggest singles titles played consecutively.

Based on the 12 biggest events between the end of 1990 and the early part of 1993 there was nothing whatsoever which would suggest that undisputed world number one Monica Seles was not going to continue her dominance over women's tennis going forward.

Monica Seles was the ONLY player in women's tennis to win 2 of the 5 biggest singles titles in women's tennis in 1990 ... 1991 ... 1992 ... and the ONLY player to win a Grand Slam singles title in 1993 before she was stabbed in 1993 by a Steffi Graf fan.

No way Steffi Graf is the best woman tennis player in tennis history when you consider the truth of Steffi Graf, Martina Navratilova and Monica Seles in the years 1990-1993. Far from it...Not even close.... :angel:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

I just haven't quite figured out how to beat her"..........

------Steffi Graf.......
after her loss to Monica Seles at the Australian Open Finals, 1993.......


Steffi Graf's Career in a Nutshell.......

Gunther Parche
and WEAK Competition once Seles was gone.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Here's some excerpts of an interview with Steffi Graf ( November 1993) 8 months after the violent stabbing of Monica Seles and after winning consecutive slams namely the 1993 French, 1993 Wimbledon and the 1993 US Open and taking over the number one ranking from the injured Seles.

Graf lost the 1993 Australian Open Finals to Seles three months before the stabbing.

November 1993
Steffi Graf
Interview by: DIETER SCHÖN
New York

WELT am SONNTAG: Ms. Graf, 1993 was very successful for you. Are you
satisfied?

Graf: To win three of four Grand Slams and to be in the final of the
other - that is extremely good. Yes, I am satisfied.

WaS: Though your success will also always be compared with what might
have been if Monica Seles hadn't been injured. How do you handle that?

Graf: I see it quite realistically. Of course the people are right,
and I might not have won one title or another, if Monica would have
played........

WaS: Do you regret that Monica Seles isn't around at the moment?

Graf: That is correct. When the number one is missing, something is missing......


Hallo, thanks you for telling me the truth story. i always think that monica was the bestest. ive reads that every where.

Viel Glueck!!!!!! Venus, Maria, Monica :wavey: :wavey: