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WTA Handicapper
Aug 2nd, 2004, 12:50 AM
Hi Everyone

As at Wimbledon you are invited to nominate TWO Paw players you think could win the US Open,with the main rule being you cant pick yourself;)

Scoring if any of your picks reach the last eight will be

50pts-Winner
25pts-Finalist
10pts-Semi
5pts-Quarter

I will shortly be posting my personal opinion of what the betting odds should be!

Pintaled
Aug 2nd, 2004, 02:40 AM
Based on form I'll say Spikey and Nicky2002

:)

Hayato
Aug 2nd, 2004, 06:14 AM
really, i believe anyone can win. it could be the world number 240 or the world number 1. Nobody can tell.

But i suppose kafelek is the most likely :) or SpikeyAidanm- has reached the top 10 in his last 4 tournaments i think :p

WTA Handicapper
Aug 2nd, 2004, 07:33 AM
Betting Odds [Will be updated right through till Final:) ]

10-1 Favourite:SPIKEY AIDANM

12-1:Sandg
14-1:MyPapaje
16-1:Bionic71
18-1:Hooverphonic
20-1:Nicky2002
25-1:Hantuchov
25-1:Kafelek
28-1:Bbypk

33-1 BAR

Anyone interested to know their personal odds,post here and I will let you know!

Masharapova
Aug 2nd, 2004, 09:28 AM
my odds? 100-1?

SpikeyAidanm
Aug 2nd, 2004, 09:34 AM
My nominations:

oren987, silverwhite

WTA Handicapper
Aug 2nd, 2004, 09:38 AM
Personal Odds for Wta Fan:100-1!

zorgzamesnip
Aug 2nd, 2004, 09:56 AM
spikey or andrew_uk

Hayato
Aug 2nd, 2004, 10:09 AM
what are my odds? last time they were 50-1 and i came 7th :p

maybe they are 50-1 again?

andrew_uk
Aug 2nd, 2004, 10:28 AM
WTA Handicapper :wavey:

Nice to do this thread again, please make one for the Olympics if you can :).

I won't say my 2 picks yet as the US Open is still quite a while away. By the way Gary, please check out the Design A Player link in my signature ;) Thanks :bigwave:

andrew_uk
Aug 2nd, 2004, 10:29 AM
Oh yeah, please can you tell my odds, thanks Gary :)

WTA Handicapper
Aug 2nd, 2004, 12:51 PM
Personal odds for Rossana Fan:50-1!

WTA Handicapper
Aug 2nd, 2004, 12:51 PM
Personal Odds for Andrew UK:33-1

WTA Handicapper
Aug 2nd, 2004, 01:05 PM
PS

Watch out soon also for my special match betting competition/Odds on PAW Players from the same country:devil:

HotSpot
Aug 3rd, 2004, 03:06 AM
someone from out of 100

Masharapova
Aug 3rd, 2004, 06:32 AM
some unranked wildcard from equatorial guinea who's win-loss record for the tournament stands at 7-19 or thereabouts :p

Hayato
Aug 3rd, 2004, 06:34 AM
Personal odds for Rossana Fan:50-1!

same as wta_fan? ? :confused:

im ranked 54 he is ranked 89...sibling rivalry :p

Masharapova
Aug 3rd, 2004, 06:34 AM
Personal Odds for Wta Fan:100-1!

:haha:

Geisha
Aug 3rd, 2004, 06:41 AM
There are a ton of contendors for the US.

James
Aug 3rd, 2004, 07:20 AM
I'd say Spikeyaidanm or Sandg.

I think my odds will be too low to mention at all. ;)

WTA Handicapper
Aug 3rd, 2004, 07:35 AM
Personal Odds for James:66-1

crazillo
Aug 8th, 2004, 04:40 AM
I have 2222222-1? :p

Masharapova
Aug 8th, 2004, 07:11 AM
i am ranked 88, james is ranked 82...his odds are 66:1 mine are 100:1...is this possible? :p

WTA Handicapper
Aug 8th, 2004, 07:28 AM
Personal Odds for Crazillo:50-1

WTA Handicapper
Aug 8th, 2004, 07:33 AM
i am ranked 88, james is ranked 82...his odds are 66:1 mine are 100:1...is this possible? :p

James is playing better on this Hardcourt lead up to the US Open in my opinion.
Odds will be updated after Sundays Two Finals

sandg
Aug 8th, 2004, 09:37 AM
Hantuchov & kafelek

WTA Handicapper
Aug 8th, 2004, 11:36 PM
Revised Betting Odds [After this weeks tournaments]
12-1 Favourite:SPIKEY AIDANM
14-1:Sandg,Bionic 71
16-1:Mypapaje,K&J Fan
18-1:Hooverphonic
20-1:Kafelek
22-1:Nicky2002
25-1:Camoya
33-1:Hantuchov,Bbypk
40-1 BAR

Masharapova
Aug 9th, 2004, 10:31 AM
James is playing better on this Hardcourt lead up to the US Open in my opinion.
Odds will be updated after Sundays Two Finals


oh right i thought it was calculated...i guess all this is just one person's opinion...

WTA Handicapper
Aug 12th, 2004, 06:40 PM
[QUOTE=andrew_uk]WTA Handicapper :wavey:

Nice to do this thread again, please make one for the Olympics if you can :).

Odds for Olympics have been posted on the main Olympic Paw Picks thread:devil:

oren987
Aug 12th, 2004, 08:41 PM
My nominations:

oren987, silverwhite:eek: :cuckoo:

Thank's Aidan :hug:

raquel
Aug 13th, 2004, 12:27 AM
I pick Aidan and Luis (Hantuchov) :) I think they are pretty safe bets to do well.

Gary what would my personal odds be? :)

Hayato
Aug 13th, 2004, 06:32 AM
i odds of winning are the same as wta_fan's :confused:

i didnt play Australian Open, 3rd Round at Roland Garros, QF at Wimbledon, and my odds of winning are 66-1? :confused:

WTA Handicapper
Aug 13th, 2004, 08:00 AM
Personal Odds for Raquel:40-1

WTA Handicapper
Aug 13th, 2004, 08:02 AM
i odds of winning are the same as wta_fan's :confused:

i didnt play Australian Open, 3rd Round at Roland Garros, QF at Wimbledon, and my odds of winning are 66-1? :confused:

Hi Rossana

My odds are based on your poor performance so far on this Hardcourt lead up to the US Open.:o

Masharapova
Aug 13th, 2004, 08:16 AM
like i said, this is just 1 persons opinion, despite how 'accurate' it may be or not.

blerr
Aug 13th, 2004, 08:42 AM
What are my odds? :wavey:

WTA Handicapper
Aug 13th, 2004, 10:34 AM
Personal Odds for Shorty:50-1

bgbgbg
Aug 13th, 2004, 04:24 PM
100-1 for me??? ;)

WTA Handicapper
Aug 13th, 2004, 06:33 PM
Personal Odds for Bgbgbg:100-1!

You must have read my mind,lol

silverwhite
Aug 13th, 2004, 09:04 PM
My nominations:

oren987, silverwhite

:lol: Thanks for the vote of confidence, Spikey, but I am currently in a slump and not doing that well on hardcourts.

crazillo
Aug 13th, 2004, 09:12 PM
raquel

Hantuchov
Aug 13th, 2004, 09:18 PM
Raqs :hearts:

Gogo123
Aug 13th, 2004, 09:50 PM
where do those points go?

WTA Handicapper
Aug 14th, 2004, 12:21 AM
Nowhere Gogo!
This is a separate "Fun" competition,as we did at Wimbledon [See similar thread on this section]

WTA Handicapper
Aug 16th, 2004, 08:14 AM
Revised Betting Odds [After this weeks tournaments]
12-1 Favourite:SPIKEY AIDANM
14-1:Sandg,Bionic 71
16-1:Mypapaje,K&J Fan
18-1:Hooverphonic
20-1:Kafelek
22-1:Nicky2002
25-1:Camoya
33-1:Hantuchov,Bbypk
40-1 BAR

Revised Betting Odds [After this weeks Tournament,and Olympics first day:devil: ]

12-1 Favourite:SANDG

14-1:SpikeyAidanm,MyPapaJe,K&J Fan
16-1:Bionic71
20-1:Hooverphonic,Kafelek
25-1:Nicky2002,Hantuchov
33-1:Camoya
40-1:Bbypk,Lady

50-1 Bar

blerr
Aug 16th, 2004, 02:51 PM
Did my odds change? :devil:

WTA Handicapper
Aug 16th, 2004, 09:33 PM
Still 50-1 for you Shorty!

WTA Handicapper
Aug 23rd, 2004, 08:14 AM
Revised Betting Odds [After this weeks Tournament,and Olympics first day:devil: ]

12-1 Favourite:SANDG

14-1:SpikeyAidanm,MyPapaJe,K&J Fan
16-1:Bionic71
20-1:Hooverphonic,Kafelek
25-1:Nicky2002,Hantuchov
33-1:Camoya
40-1:Bbypk,Lady

50-1 Bar
Revised Betting Odds [After this weeks Tournaments]

12-1 Favourite:MY PAPA JE:)

14-1:Bionic71,Sandg
16-1:K&J Fan,Spikey Aidanm
25-1:Hooverphonic,Kafelek
33-1:Nicky2002,Hantuchov
40-1:Camoya,Shorty

50-1 Bar

Masharapova
Aug 24th, 2004, 06:29 AM
i think nexeo or mypapa_je

Mateo Mathieu
Aug 24th, 2004, 09:46 AM
I'll bet for Nicky2002 whom doing so well lately

jrm
Aug 25th, 2004, 06:02 PM
My stocks went down rapidly after French Open :lol: :lol: :lol:

crazillo
Aug 25th, 2004, 06:08 PM
My stocks went down rapidly after French Open :lol: :lol: :lol:

At Wimby, people picked me as a favourite, but NOW. :p

Zhao
Aug 29th, 2004, 07:44 AM
normally the faves wun win :lol:
according to PAW history books A new HERO will be born in all GS

i dunno who to pick but i really hope my fellow countrymen can buck up n do well
Je_ne_sai_quoi : u hear wat i m saying??? :smash: u r too ugly to become Anna u know??

WTA Handicapper
Aug 29th, 2004, 08:21 AM
Hi All

Updated Betting odds posted later today.

My Two Picks for US Open glory;)

BIONIC 71:Excellent Hardcourt Preparation,and experienced tour player.

KAFELEK:Rising star,ready to take a place with the proven Paw stars.

WTA Handicapper
Aug 29th, 2004, 10:00 AM
Revised Betting Odds [After this weeks Tournaments]

12-1 Favourite:MY PAPA JE:)

14-1:Bionic71,Sandg
16-1:K&J Fan,Spikey Aidanm
25-1:Hooverphonic,Kafelek
33-1:Nicky2002,Hantuchov
40-1:Camoya,Shorty

50-1 Bar
FINAL Pre US Open Betting Odds;)

14-1 Favourite:MY PAPA JE

16-1:Sandg,Bionic 71
20-1:SpikeyAidanm,Kafelek,K&J Fan
33-1:Hooverphonic
40-1:Nicky2002,Hantuchov
50-1:Camoya,Shorty,Zhao
66-1:Augustin.
80-1:Lady,47 Rambaldi,Broncosven,Rrfnpump,AussieStars
100-1:Mr Molik,Reichen

125-1 Bar

Odds will be updated after each days play

Harju.
Aug 29th, 2004, 10:04 AM
mypapa_je and bionic

Mr_Molik
Aug 30th, 2004, 05:05 AM
aidan and broncosven

Hayato
Aug 30th, 2004, 06:04 AM
kafelek and Agustin ;)

ghosts
Aug 30th, 2004, 08:49 AM
je_ne_sais_quoi :p

andrew_uk
Aug 30th, 2004, 04:36 PM
kafelek and speedster_

WTA Handicapper
Aug 31st, 2004, 01:18 AM
No more Picks please,Competition closed!

WTA Handicapper
Aug 31st, 2004, 08:21 AM
FINAL Pre US Open Betting Odds;)

14-1 Favourite:MY PAPA JE

16-1:Sandg,Bionic 71
20-1:SpikeyAidanm,Kafelek,K&J Fan
33-1:Hooverphonic
40-1:Nicky2002,Hantuchov
50-1:Camoya,Shorty,Zhao
66-1:Augustin.
80-1:Lady,47 Rambaldi,Broncosven,Rrfnpump,AussieStars
100-1:Mr Molik,Reichen

125-1 Bar

Odds will be updated after each days play
Latest Odds [After Day One]

10-1 Favourite:MY PAPA JE

12-1:WTA Handicapper:o ,Zhao
14-1:Carsten
16-1:Kafelek
18-1:Saab95
20-1:AndrewUk
25-1:WilliamHunt,Masha
33-1:OzFan44
50-1:Reichen,Elisse
66-1:Agustin

80-1 Bar

Masharapova
Aug 31st, 2004, 11:52 AM
same odds as William Hunt? but they have done 5 extra picks and are only about 4 points ahead?

WTA Handicapper
Aug 31st, 2004, 12:21 PM
Its only my opinion Masha
Not sure if you can handle the pressure now you are in contention for such an important tournament.Try and prove me wrong!
Good Luck

Masharapova
Aug 31st, 2004, 12:25 PM
:lol: ok! cheers! :yeah:

good luck to you too! :yeah:

saab95
Aug 31st, 2004, 01:07 PM
I think Kafelek too ;)
but it wasn't good idea with Groenefeld over Callens last moment
So Zhao & MagicMilan seem more dangerous now. :)

bbypk
Aug 31st, 2004, 01:10 PM
Spikey and WTA Handicapper

WTA Handicapper
Sep 1st, 2004, 09:47 AM
Latest Odds [After Day One]

10-1 Favourite:MY PAPA JE

12-1:WTA Handicapper:o ,Zhao
14-1:Carsten
16-1:Kafelek
18-1:Saab95
20-1:AndrewUk
25-1:WilliamHunt,Masha
33-1:OzFan44
50-1:Reichen,Elisse
66-1:Agustin

80-1 Bar

Latest Odds [After Day Two]

9-1 Favourite:SAAB 95

12-1:SpikeyAidanm
14-1:AndrewUk
16-1:Pintaled,Kafelek
18-1:WTA Handicapper [Picking outsiders Zheng and Spears will prove costly!]:rolleyes:
20-1:MyPapaJe
25-1:Masha
33-1:Korben,CooCooCachoo

40-1 Bar

jrm
Sep 1st, 2004, 11:29 AM
change those odds: sandg forgot to count UBEROI points and i will be in the lead!!!

WTA Handicapper
Sep 1st, 2004, 12:33 PM
Thanks Jrm

Pending confirmation,your current odds are now:10-1

WTA Handicapper
Sep 2nd, 2004, 08:48 AM
Latest Odds [After Day Two]

9-1 Favourite:SAAB 95

12-1:SpikeyAidanm
14-1:AndrewUk
16-1:Pintaled,Kafelek
18-1:WTA Handicapper [Picking outsiders Zheng and Spears will prove costly!]:rolleyes:
20-1:MyPapaJe
25-1:Masha
33-1:Korben,CooCooCachoo

40-1 Bar

Latest Odds [After Day Three]

8-1 Favourite:SAAB 95

9-1:Jrm
10-1:Silverwhite
12-1:SpikeyAidanm
14-1:Augustin
16-1:Ozfan44
18-1:Pintaled
20-1:Korben
25-1:WTA Handicapper [Can I have 36 rather than 26 picks!:( ],Ghosts

33-1 Bar

Hayato
Sep 2nd, 2004, 09:11 AM
:haha: i love it how the people who are most likely going to win it, are under "bar" :p ;)

Masharapova
Sep 2nd, 2004, 09:54 AM
:o at my odds :rolleyes:

QuicKyMonSter
Sep 2nd, 2004, 02:14 PM
:fiery: i could've been the unknown who could have won it....i'd be in the first place now if i hadn't canceled haynes over maleeva :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :o

saab95
Sep 2nd, 2004, 04:44 PM
take a look for sandg & Philip
they're really not 51-52 but top16 now

ghosts
Sep 2nd, 2004, 08:07 PM
omg it will be like Roland Garros :o

whoever pawed Chakvetadze will win it :o

QuicKyMonSter
Sep 2nd, 2004, 08:43 PM
i was about to do it :banghead: :banghead:

Hayato
Sep 2nd, 2004, 09:22 PM
whoever pawed Chakvetadze will win it

i think only Catriel did.....phew :p

WTA Handicapper
Sep 3rd, 2004, 09:52 AM
Latest Odds [After Day Three]

8-1 Favourite:SAAB 95

9-1:Jrm
10-1:Silverwhite
12-1:SpikeyAidanm
14-1:Augustin
16-1:Ozfan44
18-1:Pintaled
20-1:Korben
25-1:WTA Handicapper [Can I have 36 rather than 26 picks!:( ],Ghosts

33-1 Bar

Latest Odds [After Day Four]

7-1 Favourite:SAAB 95

8-1:Ghosts
10-1:Jrm
12-1:Elisse
14-1:Carsten
16-1:Korben
20-1:Silverwhite
25-1:SpikeyAidanm
33-1:WTA Handicapper [I need a miracle! ]

40-1 Bar

SPECIAL Odds

10-1 anyother PAW Player other than those Named above to WIN:kiss:

Masharapova
Sep 3rd, 2004, 10:01 AM
:lol: at me :lol:

ghosts
Sep 3rd, 2004, 10:06 AM
omg I'm the second favourite to win US OPEN :scared: :D

sandg
Sep 3rd, 2004, 10:13 AM
omg it will be like Roland Garros :o

whoever pawed Chakvetadze will win it :o

4 players who pick Chakvetadze are bibifanofjuju, Catriel, sesilfan & Zak.
Who will win it :confused:

jrm
Sep 3rd, 2004, 03:02 PM
Still in the runnings .... please, please all high-ranked players must win

WTA Handicapper
Sep 4th, 2004, 09:17 AM
Latest Odds [After Day Four]

7-1 Favourite:SAAB 95

8-1:Ghosts
10-1:Jrm
12-1:Elisse
14-1:Carsten
16-1:Korben
20-1:Silverwhite
25-1:SpikeyAidanm
33-1:WTA Handicapper [I need a miracle! ]

40-1 Bar

SPECIAL Odds

10-1 anyother PAW Player other than those Named above to WIN:kiss:


Latest Odds [After Day Five]

5-1 Favourite:SAAB 95

6-1:Ghosts,Jrm
8-1:SpikeyAidanm
10-1:Elisse
12-1:WTA Handicapper [My fate could depend on what Chakvetaze does:D ]
33-1:KFH 9118

40-1 Bar

SPECIAL Odds

14-1 Any other Paw player other than the above quoted to WIN

SpikeyAidanm
Sep 4th, 2004, 09:37 AM
:eek:

ghosts
Sep 4th, 2004, 01:41 PM
:eek:

WTA Handicapper
Sep 5th, 2004, 08:45 AM
Latest Odds [After Day Five]

5-1 Favourite:SAAB 95

6-1:Ghosts,Jrm
8-1:SpikeyAidanm
10-1:Elisse
12-1:WTA Handicapper [My fate could depend on what Chakvetaze does:D ]
33-1:KFH 9118

40-1 Bar

SPECIAL Odds

14-1 Any other Paw player other than the above quoted to WIN

Latest Odds [After Day Six]

4-1 Favourite:SAAB 95

5-1:SpikeyAidanm
7-1:Jrm,Korben
10-1:WTA Handicapper [Its a Waiting game for me now;) ]
33-1:Masha

50-1 Bar

SPECIAL Odds

20-1 Any other Player not named above to WIN

Masharapova
Sep 5th, 2004, 11:37 AM
:eek: Go Aidan! :bigclap:

WTA Handicapper
Sep 6th, 2004, 07:45 AM
Latest Odds [After Day Six]

4-1 Favourite:SAAB 95

5-1:SpikeyAidanm
7-1:Jrm,Korben
10-1:WTA Handicapper [Its a Waiting game for me now;) ]
33-1:Masha

50-1 Bar

SPECIAL Odds

20-1 Any other Player not named above to WIN

Latest Odds [After Day Seven]

3-1 Favourite:SAAB 95

4-1:Spikey Aidanm
20-1:WTA Handicapper [Now I know what a sitting duck feels like:) ]
25-1:Korben
40-1:Kfh 9118

66-1 Bar

SPECIAL Odds

80-1 Any other player apart from the above Five to WIN

SpikeyAidanm
Sep 6th, 2004, 07:49 AM
:eek:

kfh_9118
Sep 6th, 2004, 08:27 AM
:eek:

It's very surprising to see my name up there :cool:
But I kind of agree with the odd, I have less than 3% to win it :sad:

WTA Handicapper
Sep 7th, 2004, 08:16 AM
Latest Odds [After Day Seven]

3-1 Favourite:SAAB 95

4-1:Spikey Aidanm
20-1:WTA Handicapper [Now I know what a sitting duck feels like:) ]
25-1:Korben
40-1:Kfh 9118

66-1 Bar

SPECIAL Odds

80-1 Any other player apart from the above Five to WIN

Latest Odds [After Day Eight]

2-1 Favourite:SAAB 95

3-1:Thekimfan
4-1:SpikeyAidanm
50-1:WTA Handicapper [This waiting is agony!]
66-1:Korben

80-1 Bar

SPECIAL Odds
100-1 any other player other than the above 5.Mind you thekimfan was included in this yesterday:devil:

WTA Handicapper
Sep 8th, 2004, 07:26 AM
Latest Odds [After Day Eight]

2-1 Favourite:SAAB 95

3-1:Thekimfan
4-1:SpikeyAidanm
50-1:WTA Handicapper [This waiting is agony!]
66-1:Korben

80-1 Bar

SPECIAL Odds
100-1 any other player other than the above 5.Mind you thekimfan was included in this yesterday:devil:

Latest Odds [After Day Nine]

7-4 Favourite:SAAB 95

2-1:TheKimFan,WTA Handicapper [Its going down to the wire now:cool: ]
33-1:Kfh 9118
66-1:Korben

100-1 Bar

kfh_9118
Sep 8th, 2004, 08:45 AM
Latest Odds [After Day Nine]

7-4 Favourite:SAAB 95

2-1:TheKimFan,WTA Handicapper [Its going down to the wire now:cool: ]
33-1:Kfh 9118
66-1:Korben

100-1 Bar
WTA Handicapper. I have no chance to win it now :sad: Thanks to Serena's lost today :rolleyes:

All the best to you, you have a really really good chance to stay on top :bigclap: after Serena's lost today.

saab95
Sep 8th, 2004, 09:03 AM
- o-o-h those russians....

- no ...oh those williams

ghosts
Sep 8th, 2004, 10:47 AM
omg Hantuuchova :mad: :smash:
I would have won :shout:

WTA Handicapper
Sep 9th, 2004, 12:55 PM
Latest Odds [After Day Nine]

7-4 Favourite:SAAB 95

2-1:TheKimFan,WTA Handicapper [Its going down to the wire now:cool: ]
33-1:Kfh 9118
66-1:Korben

100-1 Bar

Latest Odds [After Day Ten]

1-2 Favourite:WTA HANDICAPPER:eek:

2-1:Korben

korben
Sep 9th, 2004, 05:29 PM
Latest Odds [After Day Ten]

1-2 Favourite:WTA HANDICAPPER:eek:

2-1:Korben
Wow :eek: Can I bet $100 on WTA H ? ;)
Think that I should be at least 10-1

WTA Handicapper
Sep 10th, 2004, 07:39 AM
Lol

Kept your odds short Korben,as with Davenports injury history,anythings possible in her matches!

silverwhite
Sep 10th, 2004, 11:13 PM
Lol

Kept your odds short Korben,as with Davenports injury history,anythings possible in her matches!

:eek: Do you have premonition or something?

WTA Handicapper
Sep 11th, 2004, 12:30 AM
No ,Silverwhite

Just thought Lindsay would be vulnerable at some stage,given her history.
Damm shame,as I would have loved to see her go all the way this year.

kfh_9118
Sep 11th, 2004, 12:47 AM
Congrats WTA Handicapper :worship:

K&J fan
Sep 11th, 2004, 12:35 PM
:yeah:

The betting organiser winning it all :lol: :p

WTA Handicapper
Sep 12th, 2004, 06:34 PM
Competition Result

Joint Winners

ZORGZAMESNIP & ROSSANA FAN

They were the only scorers on 5pts.:hatoff:

Zorg picking Andrewuk,and Rossana picking another Quarter Finalist,Agustin.

Special mention to Bbypk.He made his picks after round one [Cut off was before First round began] and he picked me!

Thanks to all who entered.

bbypk
Sep 12th, 2004, 08:28 PM
Competition Result
Special mention to Bbypk.He made his picks after round one [Cut off was before First round began] and he picked me!


I didnt see the thread till that day... LOL... i was correct!! LOL

Congrats WTAHandicapper!