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tenn_ace
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:25 AM
not judging by the score, not judging by game/break point conversion....

is anybody watching? any updates on how she plays?

switz
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:29 AM
give her a break. 1) you can't judge anything real from the score 2) osterloh is ranked 220 but is much better than that and beat an inform (vento-kabichi - semis in stanford) top 30 player in the first round rather easily.

i don't like the girl but why are people always on her back?

tenn_ace
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:32 AM
actually I'm not. she is my favourite player. all I wanted to know is how she is playing. and as I made it clear, I'm not watching.


but thanks for supporting her. :)

Dan23
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:34 AM
Maria was breezing through most games on her serve and broke Osterloh 3 times.

Rgds,
ils

mboyle
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:36 AM
Yeah and Masha's serve was also broken to 15:o That is not okay against Lilia Osterloh.

mboyle
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:37 AM
Maria was breezing through most games on her serve and broke Osterloh 3 times.
4 times

tenn_ace
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:39 AM
I guess, I have expected a more convincing score considering that even in-form Osterloh doesn't really have a lot of weapons to trouble Maria.

Berlin_Calling
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:39 AM
Yeah and Masha's serve was also broken to 15:o That is not okay against Lilia Osterloh.
chill out geez...:rolleyes:

Anyway, good match for Masha considering it was her first in two and a half weeks and she was playing a red-hot Osterloh who seems to have broken out of her two year slump. :)

Dan23
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:41 AM
4 times
yes sorry forgot about the final game :)

Doc
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:46 AM
Osterloh is a hard court specialist who has a good history and has gone deep into the slams. She is on form, and was always going to be a tricky opponent.

6-3 6-3 is a very good win by Maria as her first match on these courts and her first match on hardcourts this season.

tenn_ace
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:48 AM
6-3 6-3 is a very good win by Maria as her first match on these courts and her first match on hardcourts this season.

you mean after Wimbledon... cause she did play IW and Miami, right?

ys
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:49 AM
Elena D. had much closer scoreline against Lilia last week.

SharapovaFan16
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:51 AM
u guys look too far into it. thats why they play the matches. every day is a new day who cares how elena d beat her. someone may be feeling it more and be on their game better one day. if u feel it that day then ur gonna be better. she won convincingly, something serena didn't do.

mboyle
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:52 AM
Elena D. had much closer scoreline against Lilia last week.
Elena has an excuse: her serve.

mboyle
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:52 AM
obviously you aren't gonna dominate opponents when you have trouble holding serve.

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:52 AM
Maria did a geat job today.. she had a powerful serve!!!

ys
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:53 AM
Elena has an excuse: her serve.
Elena is the best Russian hardcourt player. Serve or not.

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:53 AM
Also... Maria is an specialist on grass and not hard court!!! She is kind of weak on hardcourt compared to grass court... anyways... She is only 17 years old!!!! She did great!!!

mboyle
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:57 AM
Everyone keeps saying Sharapova is weak on hardcourts. Why do they say that?:o

mboyle
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:58 AM
2 hardcourt titles (granted small ones, but still...) wins over several top 20 players, a third set against Clijsters last year in LA, I think Maria is perfectly suited for hardcourts.

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:58 AM
Also we did a Match Coverage!!!! check it out!!!

Match Coverage (http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?p=3878510#post3878510)

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:58 AM
Everyone keeps saying Sharapova is weak on hardcourts. Why do they say that?:o

Because she is the best in the world at grass....

mboyle
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:58 AM
Elena is the best Russian hardcourt player. Serve or not.
Yes, but she has an excuse not to win 6-0; 6-2 against Lilia Osterloh.

Gowza
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:59 AM
give her a break she hasnt played a match for awhile, and she still one in straights.

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Jul 28th, 2004, 05:00 AM
Yes, but she has an excuse not to win 6-0; 6-2 against Lilia Osterloh.

I agree on that! Elena is pure Excuses...

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Jul 28th, 2004, 05:01 AM
give her a break she hasnt played a match for awhile, and she still one in straights.


she has the biggest winning streak currently on WTA Tour...

thelittlestelf
Jul 28th, 2004, 05:02 AM
I agree, Dementieva is the best Russian hard courter. Svetlana is pretty good too.

ys
Jul 28th, 2004, 05:03 AM
2 hardcourt titles (granted small ones, but still...)
None on Decoturf..



wins over several top 20 players, a third set against Clijsters last year in LA, I think Maria is perfectly suited for hardcourts. OK, Jancovic now got third set against Serena, which is , by hardcourt standards better than the third set against Clijsters. So, if we measure her by that odd system of third sets in lost matches, she is almost as good as Jancovic.

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Jul 28th, 2004, 05:04 AM
I agree, Dementieva is the best Russian hard courter. Svetlana is pretty good too.


Yes... Svetlana Is defiently good...

Hardcourt: Kuznetsova, Dementieva
Clay: Myskina
Grass: Sharapova

CJK
Jul 28th, 2004, 05:14 AM
Yes... Svetlana Is defiently good...

Hardcourt: Kuznetsova, Dementieva
Clay: Myskina
Grass: Sharapova
Just because Nastya won French Open does not really make her a clay courter.
Same goes for Conchita Martinez, she is not fit for grass, her assets might give her an edge, (one hand to slice, for speed in Nastya's sake), but that's not their nature surface. For Nastya, she said herself it was carpet that she likes the best.

LiliaLee-Frazier
Jul 28th, 2004, 07:49 AM
Thats because Lilia is NOT a player with the game of a player ranked #220..do some RESEARCH before making some of these threads people! :fiery:

LiliaLee-Frazier
Jul 28th, 2004, 07:52 AM
Yes, but she has an excuse not to win 6-0; 6-2 against Lilia Osterloh.
Your just an ASS.

bandabou
Jul 28th, 2004, 12:27 PM
I kinda expected at least a bagel set. Dissapointing....but I guess she´s saving her best for the second-bests.

Frank
Jul 28th, 2004, 12:32 PM
Did anyone who was judging Maria's game here actually watch the match?

~ The Leopard ~
Jul 28th, 2004, 12:41 PM
Sounds like a nice routine win. Give us a break, people. The top players can't play perfectly and hand out bagels every single time.

Frank
Jul 28th, 2004, 12:43 PM
Sounds like a nice routine win. Give us a break, people. The top players can't play perfectly and hand out bagels every single time.
Right, she is probably saving her best game for the real stuff, this is just pure routine... :D

Stephieva
Jul 28th, 2004, 12:46 PM
Elena D. had much closer scoreline against Lilia last week.Masha 6-3 6-3
LenaD 6-4 6-2
I don't think it's different. :)

Frank
Jul 28th, 2004, 12:48 PM
Masha 6-3 6-3
LenaD 6-4 6-2
I don't think it's different. :)
If you put it that way...You're right! Both lost 6 games... :)

wongqks
Jul 28th, 2004, 01:00 PM
Did anyone who was judging Maria's game here actually watch the match?

i doubt it ;)

Sharapower
Jul 28th, 2004, 01:05 PM
Would be an impressive streak if Maria won this tournament

iloveazza
Jul 28th, 2004, 02:03 PM
Hey hey hey don't be so hard on the girl, guys. it was only her first match after the victory at Wimbledon after all. Give her a break, dude. She will pick up her game as she goes deeper in the tournament. I'm sure she was less than 10% in this match, otherwise she would have bagelled her opponent at least in one set. She will play better every match and now her path is cleared up with Venus withdrawing, she will have little trouble reaching the semis at least.

Helen Lawson
Jul 28th, 2004, 02:15 PM
I do expect some post-Wimbledon let down, she is only 17. Serena didn't exactly set the world on fire after winning the U.S. Open the first time, so don't jump all over Maria is she doesn't start winning a load of titles.

It's like when a young dame wins the Best Actress Oscar, you can't expect her to just start making amazing movies right away and turn overnight into a Meryl Streep or, daresay, a Helen Lawson.

Frank
Jul 28th, 2004, 02:23 PM
I do expect some post-Wimbledon let down, she is only 17. Serena didn't exactly set the world on fire after winning the U.S. Open the first time, so don't jump all over Maria is she doesn't start winning a load of titles.

It's like when a young dame wins the Best Actress Oscar, you can't expect her to just start making amazing movies right away and turn overnight into a Meryl Streep or, daresay, a Helen Lawson.

Wise words...

LostGlory
Jul 28th, 2004, 02:27 PM
I have a feeling this one is for the french....Mauresmo is looking good....Pierce is making an impressive come back....Serena is sluggish....Davenport in top form....Dementieva is awsome but she should take some time off and learn to serve...because if she serves better she can be at the top easily..... ;)

~RedRose~
Jul 28th, 2004, 02:28 PM
I do expect some post-Wimbledon let down, she is only 17. Serena didn't exactly set the world on fire after winning the U.S. Open the first time, so don't jump all over Maria is she doesn't start winning a load of titles.

It's like when a young dame wins the Best Actress Oscar, you can't expect her to just start making amazing movies right away and turn overnight into a Meryl Streep or, daresay, a Helen Lawson. Helen http://wtaworld.com/images/smilies/laugh.gifhttp://wtaworld.com/images/smilies/laugh.gifhttp://wtaworld.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif You are just TOO much http://wtaworld.com/images/smilies/laugh.gifhttp://wtaworld.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

:worship::worship::worship::worship::worship:

CooCooCachoo
Jul 28th, 2004, 02:32 PM
Venus and Serena never looked impressive in their first round matches, and they still won easily. They still do, actually, but not as much as easily as they used to :)

Julian
Jul 28th, 2004, 02:33 PM
Do u remember how Lilia played about 2 years ago at Wimbledon?? She was great! She's probably figuring out her game again

btw I bet Maria wasnt trying her best and why should she? Its only an early round...and she handled it pretty well. :)

BK4ever
Jul 28th, 2004, 02:35 PM
Lilia is very good on HC's...actually Lilia is a good power player off the ground, she can hang with all the big hitters...her problem has always been her serve...she just cant seem to find the formula to fix it and trust me, she has been trying. Her movement is also not the best.

lizchris
Jul 28th, 2004, 02:37 PM
I do expect some post-Wimbledon let down, she is only 17. Serena didn't exactly set the world on fire after winning the U.S. Open the first time, so don't jump all over Maria is she doesn't start winning a load of titles.

It's like when a young dame wins the Best Actress Oscar, you can't expect her to just start making amazing movies right away and turn overnight into a Meryl Streep or, daresay, a Helen Lawson.
But Serena at least won events higher than a Tier III prior to winnnig her first Slam.

Frank
Jul 28th, 2004, 02:40 PM
But Serena at least won events higher than a Tier III prior to winnnig her first Slam.

Feel better now? Now that you've said this?

Helen Lawson
Jul 28th, 2004, 02:45 PM
But Serena at least won events higher than a Tier III prior to winnnig her first Slam.
That's Serena's fault for not stopping her in the final. The point is, it is likely she will have some sort of slump, real or imagined, because of the pressure and hype that winning Wimbledon has brought. This doesn't mean her Wimbledon win was a fluke or that she sucks, she just may need some time to get those results again. Serena certainly did, she was 17 also, and Serena had won better titles before her breakthrough.

lizchris
Jul 28th, 2004, 02:50 PM
Feel better now? Now that you've said this?
No, I have more.

She should send Venus flowers for withdrawing because the way Venus was playing before her injury, she could have beaten her tomorrow, but there will be other opportunities.

Frank
Jul 28th, 2004, 02:54 PM
No, I have more.

She should send Venus flowers for withdrawing because the way Venus was playing before her injury, she could have beaten her tomorrow, but there will be other opportunities.
Please stop bringing this pure speculation like they're facts. :rolleyes:

lizchris
Jul 28th, 2004, 02:56 PM
That's Serena's fault for not stopping her in the final. The point is, it is likely she will have some sort of slump, real or imagined, because of the pressure and hype that winning Wimbledon has brought. This doesn't mean her Wimbledon win was a fluke or that she sucks, she just may need some time to get those results again. Serena certainly did, she was 17 also, and Serena had won better titles before her breakthrough.
Whether her win is a fluke remains to be seen but I bet Conchita Martinez and the now retired Iva Majoli thougth they were going to win more Slams too.

lizchris
Jul 28th, 2004, 03:00 PM
Please stop bringing this pure speculation like they're facts. :rolleyes:
Well, here'a a fact:

Venus beat her in an exebition earlier this year. And it was on hardcourt and Venus was down 5-0 in the first set.

Helen Lawson
Jul 28th, 2004, 03:06 PM
Whether her win is a fluke remains to be seen but I bet Conchita Martinez and the now retired Iva Majoli thougth they were going to win more Slams too.
Martinez got to three slam finals on three surfaces, I don't think anyone thinks Wimbledon was a fluke for her. Winning 1 of 3 finals is not a fluke in my book. Faye Dunaway's Oscar win was a fluke? She's 1 for 3. Hell, I was 1 for 5, is my Oscar a fluke?

Maria might be an Iva, might not be, but whether she's playing crappy in San Diego a month later isn't going to determine that, it can be several years after an initial win that the player makes good. Come on, Serena was a "one Slam wonder" for almost 3 years, give poor Maria a break, it's only been a month! The dame's 17 and is now the next Iva Majoli!! Sheesh!

lizchris
Jul 28th, 2004, 03:16 PM
Martinez got to three slam finals on three surfaces, I don't think anyone thinks Wimbledon was a fluke for her. Winning 1 of 3 finals is not a fluke in my book. Faye Dunaway's Oscar win was a fluke? She's 1 for 3. Hell, I was 1 for 5, is my Oscar a fluke?

Maria might be an Iva, might not be, but whether she's playing crappy in San Diego a month later isn't going to determine that, it can be several years after an initial win that the player makes good. Come on, Serena was a "one Slam wonder" for almost 3 years, give poor Maria a break, it's only been a month! The dame's 17 and is now the next Iva Majoli!! Sheesh!
Blame the media, not me. They are calling her the best tennis player in the world, but I think the seven women ranked higer than her may think otherwise.

jacobruiz
Jul 28th, 2004, 03:19 PM
Martinez got to three slam finals on three surfaces, I don't think anyone thinks Wimbledon was a fluke for her. Winning 1 of 3 finals is not a fluke in my book. Faye Dunaway's Oscar win was a fluke? She's 1 for 3. Hell, I was 1 for 5, is my Oscar a fluke?

Maria might be an Iva, might not be, but whether she's playing crappy in San Diego a month later isn't going to determine that, it can be several years after an initial win that the player makes good. Come on, Serena was a "one Slam wonder" for almost 3 years, give poor Maria a break, it's only been a month! The dame's 17 and is now the next Iva Majoli!! Sheesh!
There's just no reasoning with Liz - but I love your posts, Helen! As long as we're speculating here, something tells me Maria isn't going to wait half as long as Serena to get her second slam.:D

Hiko
Jul 28th, 2004, 03:22 PM
But Serena at least won events higher than a Tier III prior to winnnig her first Slam.
Here we go again. Settle in for the yawn-fest. :o

jacobruiz
Jul 28th, 2004, 03:23 PM
Blame the media, not me. They are calling her the best tennis player in the world, but I think the seven women ranked higer than her may think otherwise.
I'm getting tired of these lies. Please tell us when, where, and who exactly has said Maria is THE BEST TENNIS PLAYER IN THE WORLD? Thanks.

Helen Lawson
Jul 28th, 2004, 03:24 PM
Blame the media, not me. They are calling her the best tennis player in the world, but I think the seven women ranked higer than her may think otherwise.
I'm not blaming you, liz, the media has overhyped this broad to no end, but a load of people are so wanting her to fail also, I just feel bad for the girl, she's just 17. Justine, Venus, etc., they're all adults and in their 20's if people want to trash the shit out of them, fine, but it's just too much with someone who was 16 a couple of months ago.

wongqks
Jul 28th, 2004, 03:25 PM
Well, here'a a fact:

Venus beat her in an exebition earlier this year. And it was on hardcourt and Venus was down 5-0 in the first set.

funny how people use exo results when it work on their fav favour and discard it as rubbish when it work against them ;)

xan
Jul 28th, 2004, 03:30 PM
No, I have more.

She should send Venus flowers for withdrawing because the way Venus was playing before her injury, she could have beaten her tomorrow, but there will be other opportunities.
You mean losing 2nd round at wimbledon, and coming 2nd in a very weak field at the Bank of the West?? I don't think so?

I think you should be more worried about Serena struggling througha three setter against jankovic!

Frank
Jul 28th, 2004, 03:35 PM
funny how people use exo results when it work on their fav favour and discard it as rubbish when it work against them ;)
Haha! LOL! :lol:

lizchris
Jul 28th, 2004, 03:37 PM
I'm getting tired of these lies. Please tell us when, where, and who exactly has said Maria is THE BEST TENNIS PLAYER IN THE WORLD? Thanks.
ESPN (take your pick of any analyst)

lizchris
Jul 28th, 2004, 03:39 PM
funny how people use exo results when it work on their fav favour and discard it as rubbish when it work against them ;)
Yes, the same people who use Elena's (meaningless) Fed Cup victory over Venus and say that she came in with a 1-0 record against her when they played in the Olympics (which did mean something and I don't need to remind you who went home with the gold medal).

lizchris
Jul 28th, 2004, 03:43 PM
You mean losing 2nd round at wimbledon, and coming 2nd in a very weak field at the Bank of the West?? I don't think so?

I think you should be more worried about Serena struggling througha three setter against jankovic!
Better now than the final.

Venus lost in the final of the Bank of the West and was a semifinaist last week. Since 2000, her sumemr hardcourt results hav been the best of all active players, having only lost four matches. I know this is hard for you to accept, but it's the truth, so deal with it (just like I death with her losiong in the second round to a woman who will most likely lose tonight).

jacobruiz
Jul 28th, 2004, 03:46 PM
ESPN (take your pick of any analyst)
I knew it. You can't back up your statement, can you? The reason is that it isn't true and I for one am tired of hearing it. Most analysts think Maria had a great run at Wimbledon and has a great future but NO ONE IS SAYING SHE'S THE BEST TENNIS PLAYER SO GET OVER IT!

lizchris
Jul 28th, 2004, 03:52 PM
I knew it. You can't back up your statement, can you? The reason is that it isn't true and I for one am tired of hearing it. Most analysts think Maria had a great run at Wimbledon and has a great future but NO ONE IS SAYING SHE'S THE BEST TENNIS PLAYER SO GET OVER IT!
There is one other I can think of and you probably like him/her because this person is very cirtical of the Williams sisters and that is a person named Ossina Shinte from Reuters.

jacobruiz
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:13 PM
There is one other I can think of and you probably like him/her because this person is very cirtical of the Williams sisters and that is a person named Ossina Shinte from Reuters.
When have I EVER been critical of the Williams Sisters? Oh, I get it - I don't like lies told about Maria so that makes me anti-Williams? Only in your little mind, Liz.:rolleyes: Thank goodness you're not typical of most Sister fans.

xan
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:16 PM
Better now than the final.

Venus lost in the final of the Bank of the West and was a semifinaist last week. Since 2000, her sumemr hardcourt results hav been the best of all active players, having only lost four matches. I know this is hard for you to accept, but it's the truth, so deal with it (just like I death with her losiong in the second round to a woman who will most likely lose tonight).
2000 is four years ago, different circumstances, very different opposition. The point is that you said that Venus's magnificent form running up to the Acura would have meant her defeating Maria. Her 2000 performance has nothing to do with it. Her performance in the recent past certainly doesn't indicate that even if fully fit, she would have been more than Maria could handle. In fact Maria expressed disappointment at Venus's withdrawal.

mboyle
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:18 PM
But Serena at least won events higher than a Tier III prior to winnnig her first Slam.
She was also a year older (almost.)

mboyle
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:20 PM
Well, here'a a fact:

Venus beat her in an exebition earlier this year. And it was on hardcourt and Venus was down 5-0 in the first set.
A: it was an exhibition

B: Sharapova also proceeded to lose to Myskina, Zvonareva, and a bunch of other people she might beat nowadays:tape: .

lizchris
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:21 PM
When have I EVER been critical of the Williams Sisters? Oh, I get it - I don't like lies told about Maria so that makes me anti-Williams? Only in your little mind, Liz.:rolleyes: Thank goodness you're not typical of most Sister fans.
I just assumed you were based on the posts I read in this thread. If you are not, then I apologize, but I will not apologize for what I have said because it was the thruth. Yes, Maria won Wimbledon, but she isn't the second coming and I would be very surprised if she won this tournament since I think either Lindsay, Serena or Amelie will.

mboyle
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:22 PM
Whether her win is a fluke remains to be seen but I bet Conchita Martinez and the now retired Iva Majoli thougth they were going to win more Slams too.
THERE HAVEN"T EVEN BEEN ANY MORE SLAM TOURNAMENTS SINCE WIMBLEDON? HOW CAN YOU CALL IT A FLUKE? IF MARIA WINS THE FREAKING US OPEN, IS THAT A FLUKE TOO? Gosh you illogical people:rolleyes: .

mboyle
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:24 PM
ESPN (take your pick of any analyst)
I haven't heard any ESPN analyst say Maria is the best. They all still talk about Serena as if she were winning something.:tape:

lizchris
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:24 PM
2000 is four years ago, different circumstances, very different opposition. The point is that you said that Venus's magnificent form running up to the Acura would have meant her defeating Maria. Her 2000 performance has nothing to do with it. Her performance in the recent past certainly doesn't indicate that even if fully fit, she would have been more than Maria could handle. In fact Maria expressed disappointment at Venus's withdrawal.
2000 was different because the opposition was better, IMO.

Yes, I believe that she would have beaten Maria if they met and for someone who is isn't fit, she seems to be doing fine this summer, so far.

mboyle
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:26 PM
Better now than the final.

Venus lost in the final of the Bank of the West and was a semifinaist last week. Since 2000, her sumemr hardcourt results hav been the best of all active players, having only lost four matches. I know this is hard for you to accept, but it's the truth, so deal with it (just like I death with her losiong in the second round to a woman who will most likely lose tonight).
From 1988-1990, and from 1993-1996, Steffi Graf's summer hardcourt results have been the best of all active players. I know this is hard for you to accept, but it's the truth, so deal with it...:p (the past is the past, this is the present, baby...)

lizchris
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:26 PM
THERE HAVEN"T EVEN BEEN ANY MORE SLAM TOURNAMENTS SINCE WIMBLEDON? HOW CAN YOU CALL IT A FLUKE? IF MARIA WINS THE FREAKING US OPEN, IS THAT A FLUKE TOO? Gosh you illogical people:rolleyes: .
IF.

The US Open doesn't start unitl August 30. She is a favorite, but at this point, Lindsay, Venus and whoever wins this week and next week could be considered favorites. I wouldn't count out Justine or Jennifer either.

mboyle
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:26 PM
2000 was different because the opposition was better, IMO.

Yes, I believe that she would have beaten Maria if they met and for someone who is isn't fit, she seems to be doing fine this summer, so far.
what makes you so darn sure? Venus has sucked so far this summer. She has beaten 0 top 15 players even.

lizchris
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:27 PM
From 1988-1990, and from 1993-1996, Steffi Graf's summer hardcourt results have been the best of all active players. I know this is hard for you to accept, but it's the truth, so deal with it...:p (the past is the past, this is the present, baby...)
Steffi Graf is no longer playing:rolleyes:. She retired in 1999; that's why I said ACTIVE.

mboyle
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:27 PM
IF.

The US Open doesn't start unitl August 30. She is a favorite, but at this point, Lindsay, Venus and whoever wins this week and next week could be considered favorites. I wouldn't count out Justine or Jennifer either.
I don't even consider Maria a favorite. However, how can you say her win was a fluke when she hasn't had a chance to back it up and defend herself?

mboyle
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:28 PM
Steffi Graf is no longer playing:rolleyes:. She retired in 1999; that's why I said ACTIVE.
the point still comes across...besides, Justine had the best summer hardcourt record last year.

lizchris
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:28 PM
what makes you so darn sure? Venus has sucked so far this summer. She has beaten 0 top 15 players even.
Because their games are similar, but Venus' is better.

She reached a final and a semifinal, so you are right; she has sucked.

I didn't realize her summer hardourt record this year was 0-2.:rolleyes:

Keith17
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:28 PM
Maria is so pretty.

lizchris
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:30 PM
I don't even consider Maria a favorite. However, how can you say her win was a fluke when she hasn't had a chance to back it up and defend herself?
She won 6-3, 6-3 against a person who she should have beaten 6-1, 6-1 last night, IMO. If that is any indication as to how she is going to do in this tournament, then she won't get her chance to possibly meet Serena in the semis.

xan
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:31 PM
Yes, I believe that she would have beaten Maria if they met and for someone who is isn't fit, she seems to be doing fine this summer, so far.
On their respective actual results I believe that Maria is far more likely to have beaten Venus decisively. Anyway Maria will catch up with her sometime in the next few months, I think.

nate_my_love
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:31 PM
I guess, I have expected a more convincing score considering that even in-form Osterloh doesn't really have a lot of weapons to trouble Maria.

Could you please tell me about Maria's weapons? What does she have that make her better than other players?

lizchris
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:32 PM
the point still comes across...besides, Justine had the best summer hardcourt record last year.
True, but right now she isn't playing, so we really don't know what to expect of her, but I don't expect her to lose early at the USO like she did at the French if she plays.

Keith17
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:34 PM
Thats because Lilia is NOT a player with the game of a player ranked #220..do some RESEARCH before making some of these threads people! :fiery:
No offense, but until LA, Lilia showed no signs of being a Top 200 player since 2001.

xan
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:34 PM
She won 6-3, 6-3 against a person who she should have beaten 6-1, 6-1 last night, IMO. If that is any indication as to how she is going to do in this tournament, then she won't get her chance to possibly meet Serena in the semis.6-3 6-3 is a good result coming back from a lay-off to a new surface. The serve game Maria lost, she threw in two double faults, and she broke Osterloh almost at will. The only slight worry is that Maria says the surface is playing really slow, like a clay court... :confused:

lizchris
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:34 PM
No offense, but until LA, Lilia showed no signs of being a Top 200 player since 2001.
I agree with that.

lizchris
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:36 PM
6-3 6-3 is a good result coming back from a lay-off to a new surface. The serve game Maria lost, she threw in two double faults, and she broke Osterloh almost at will. The only worry is that Maria says the surface is playing really slow, like a clay court... :confused:
If that is the case, then she may be in for some trouble since I hear clay is her worst surface. And she isn't the only one. That explains why Serena played the way she played yesterday and it may not be a picnic for Lindsay either.

jacobruiz
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:39 PM
I just assumed you were based on the posts I read in this thread. If you are not, then I apologize, but I will not apologize for what I have said because it was the thruth. Yes, Maria won Wimbledon, but she isn't the second coming and I would be very surprised if she won this tournament since I think either Lindsay, Serena or Amelie will.
Apology accepted.:angel: I would also be surprised if Maria wins this tournament and would be happy if any of the three you mentioned wins.

lizchris
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:43 PM
Apology accepted.:angel: I would also be surprised if Maria wins this tournament and would be happy if any of the three you mentioned wins.
Actually, based on a previous post about the courts being show, I think Amelie is the favorite, then Serena, then Lindsay and possibly Anastasia.

wongqks
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:51 PM
Yes, the same people who use Elena's (meaningless) Fed Cup victory over Venus and say that she came in with a 1-0 record against her when they played in the Olympics (which did mean something and I don't need to remind you who went home with the gold medal).

Yes my point is everyone is guilty of that including you

lizchris
Jul 28th, 2004, 04:58 PM
Yes my point is everyone is guilty of that including you
I never said I wasn't.

Sharapower
Jul 28th, 2004, 05:00 PM
Could you please tell me about Maria's weapons? What does she have that make her better than other players?
Big serve 1st and 2nd, big fighter and defender, mental, goes for all her shots, her backhand hurts a lot though she doesn't seem to be comfortable hitting it down the line.

It's incorrect to say she's better than the other players but she just seems to be in great shape and very hungry compared to some others who struggle a little bit. That might do the difference.

bandabou
Jul 28th, 2004, 05:14 PM
Don´t worry...the girl´s just playing with the lesser souls. Why go all out against a Lilla Osterloh?! I mean, come on!!! If they allowed Maria to use her left-hand only, serve only one serve and hit only backhands and she´d still beat the girl handily without even trying....

One-hit wonder?! When was last the time a blonde slam-winner went on to be just a one-hit wonder?! In fact judging by this results, Maria is second-fave behind Lindsay for the u.s.open...and that is likely gonna change by week´s end too.

Keith17
Jul 28th, 2004, 05:23 PM
Don´t worry...the girl´s just playing with the lesser souls. Why go all out against a Lilla Osterloh?! I mean, come on!!! If they allowed Maria to use her left-hand only, serve only one serve and hit only backhands and she´d still beat the girl handily without even trying....

One-hit wonder?! When was last the time a blonde slam-winner went on to be just a one-hit wonder?! In fact judging by this results, Maria is second-fave behind Lindsay for the u.s.open...and that is likely gonna change by week´s end too.
Iva Majoli... but all her tournaments wins were Tier II or higher.

bandabou
Jul 28th, 2004, 05:32 PM
Iva Majoli... but all her tournaments wins were Tier II or higher.


Iva, Iva....