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Crazy_Fool
Jun 2nd, 2004, 06:24 PM
Clay is easily the best surface. It kind of neutralises power and serving which imo aren't really natural talent anayway. So when extremely talented players like Dementieva, Coria, Myskina, Nalbandian and Gaudio make the semi's of slams it really is great for tennis. To see a lack of aces, 100 mph groundstrokes, and general powerful play is a pleasure to watch.

Its just a shame we have to go to Wimbeldon next, the most boring GS in the whole damn world!!

SJW
Jun 2nd, 2004, 06:27 PM
power isn't natural?

so whatever in the hell is it? :)

raquel
Jun 2nd, 2004, 06:27 PM
You don't think Dementieva was powerful yesterday?

SJW
Jun 2nd, 2004, 06:29 PM
plus, did you watch Gaudio kick Lleytons ass? that was power. did you see Elena maul Amelie? her forehand is one of the most powerful shots in tennis. have you seen David play? that tonk guy can hit the cover off the ball should he choose to :)

Crazy_Fool
Jun 2nd, 2004, 06:30 PM
plus, did you watch Gaudio kick Lleytons ass? that was power. did you see Elena maul Amelie? her forehand is one of the most powerful shots in tennis. have you seen David play? that tonk guy can hit the cover off the ball should he choose to :)
Nah, the backhand of Gaudio is all natural, it is poweful to an extent, but nothing compared to the power hitters.

Williams Rulez
Jun 2nd, 2004, 06:31 PM
i think the only player non powerful left is Henman, Msykina and Suarez?? Not the rest of those players you stated crazy fool...

SJW
Jun 2nd, 2004, 06:31 PM
power = natural.

ys
Jun 2nd, 2004, 06:39 PM
Clay is easily the best surface. It kind of neutralises power and serving which imo aren't really natural talent anayway. So when extremely talented players like Dementieva, Coria, Myskina, Nalbandian and Gaudio make the semi's of slams it really is great for tennis. To see a lack of aces, 100 mph groundstrokes, and general powerful play is a pleasure to watch.

Its just a shame we have to go to Wimbeldon next, the most boring GS in the whole damn world!!
Coria and Gaudio extremely talented? Give me Wimbledon or US Open instead of this sport of nobodies any day...

Cariaoke
Jun 2nd, 2004, 06:41 PM
hmmm... this thread starter's name is so appropriate... I cannot even tell you. :tape:

Crazy_Fool
Jun 2nd, 2004, 07:25 PM
Coria and Gaudio extremely talented? Give me Wimbledon or US Open instead of this sport of nobodies any day...
Nobodies :confused: . Let me tell you something, Gaudio, Dementieva, Coria and some others are just as talented as most other players, but they don't have:

1. A big massive boring serve, which bores me to death watching players do that.
2. Extreme power, so much so, that if they did not have this power they would not be any good at all.

Coria et al are certainly not nobodies, its just they don't have one dimensional games which serve others so well on grass.

Helas
Jun 2nd, 2004, 07:45 PM
Its just a shame we have to go to Wimbeldon next, the most boring GS in the whole damn world!!
Wimbledon rules:armed: !

Vass22
Jun 2nd, 2004, 07:52 PM
Dementieva has power! Power enough to over power anybody on clay.
But I agree, clay is the best surface in terms of beauty of tennis.

ys
Jun 2nd, 2004, 07:52 PM
Nobodies :confused: . Let me tell you something, Gaudio, Dementieva, Coria and some others are just as talented as most other players, but they don't have:

1. A big massive boring serve, which bores me to death watching players do that.Indeed, Safin and Federer are boring right.


2. Extreme power, so much so, You mean, Dementieva's forehand power doesn't qualify as "extreme"? Mauresmo might be of different opinion and so am I.


Coria et al are certainly not nobodies, its just they don't have one dimensional games which serve others so well on grass.OK, lets get it straight.. Whom do you mean as those having "one dimensional game which serve so well on grass"? Federer? Henman? Hewitt? Serena? Venus?

I , for one, think that Gaudio and Coria are as one dimensional, boring and unadventurous as it probably gets in tennis. And, God forbid, the two would meet in the finals, TV ratings of that final will almost certainly hit a record low.. Except for in Argentina, of course.

xanctus
Jun 2nd, 2004, 07:53 PM
I like French Open, because it's clay and top players can slide beautifully...
I also think with slower ground make more strokes and rally which is nice to see these days...with slower path, comes greater power to accomplish points.

Wimbledon is fun to see as well...boring is the hard court (especially with this massive serves) hehehehe

bandabou
Jun 2nd, 2004, 07:56 PM
Nobodies :confused: . Let me tell you something, Gaudio, Dementieva, Coria and some others are just as talented as most other players, but they don't have:

1. A big massive boring serve, which bores me to death watching players do that.
2. Extreme power, so much so, that if they did not have this power they would not be any good at all.

Coria et al are certainly not nobodies, its just they don't have one dimensional games which serve others so well on grass.


Names please, names...

charmedRic
Jun 2nd, 2004, 07:58 PM
When it comes to seeing the technique and finesse of the game, RG is the best.

But if you want to see quick wit, and power at its best Wimbledon rocks.

This thread is clearly a stated opinion and in no way a fact.

SJW
Jun 2nd, 2004, 08:01 PM
Gaston IS sexy :)

Crazy_Fool
Jun 2nd, 2004, 08:01 PM
Names please, names...
Roddick for example.

TonyP
Jun 2nd, 2004, 08:07 PM
I think excessive power is no fun, but some power is good and the red clay does neutralize the big serving of the power hitters...to some extent. It also absorbs some of the power from ground strokes, meaning the ball doesn't skid through quite as fast as on grass or on American hard courts. That gives the receiver more time to get to the ball and results in longer rallies. And longer rallies, by good players, results in better displays of strategy -- good old fashion construction of points.

Actually, if the US Open would slow down the courts, instead of trying to speed them up every year to try to benefit American power hitters, the tournament would be a lot more fun.

Ballbuster
Jun 2nd, 2004, 08:13 PM
I wish my faves didn't have to play in that balmy mud. Besides, the weather over there is tacky.

bandabou
Jun 2nd, 2004, 08:33 PM
Crazy, the Roddick example was tooo obvious....

ys
Jun 2nd, 2004, 09:10 PM
Crazy, the Roddick example was tooo obvious....
Especially given his outstanding successes at Wimbledon.

Spunky83
Jun 2nd, 2004, 09:13 PM
Well, the FO is the most unpredictable tourney of all (esp. this year!) and you really need a lot of techniques to succeed, but no one can say that Wimbledon is boring, itīs sooo traditional and beautiful.

By the way: Andy maybe doesnīt even have the most entertaining game, but at least he does "look" good on every surface;)

SJW
Jun 2nd, 2004, 09:26 PM
Steffi Graf, Monica Seles, Serena Williams, Jennifer Capriati, Mary Pierce, Justine Henin-Hardenne

some of THE best power players of their time, with amazing talent.

of course not, power players don't do well @ RG :)

bandabou
Jun 2nd, 2004, 09:41 PM
The funny thing is that none of the players deemed as talented and thinkers and this and that, none do particularly well at RG. all of the recent winners in the female field have been the dreaded power players....interesting.

ys
Jun 2nd, 2004, 09:47 PM
The funny thing is that none of the players deemed as talented and thinkers and this and that, none do particularly well at RG. all of the recent winners in the female field have been the dreaded power players....interesting.
Hingis failed to do that. Myskina might become the first one since god knows when.. But chances are she won't.

darrinbaker00
Jun 2nd, 2004, 09:57 PM
Clay is easily the best surface. It kind of neutralises power and serving which imo aren't really natural talent anayway. So when extremely talented players like Dementieva, Coria, Myskina, Nalbandian and Gaudio make the semi's of slams it really is great for tennis. To see a lack of aces, 100 mph groundstrokes, and general powerful play is a pleasure to watch.
Translation: "I'm glad both Williams sisters lost."
Its just a shame we have to go to Wimbeldon next, the most boring GS in the whole damn world!!
Translation: "One of the Williams sisters will probably win."

Havok
Jun 2nd, 2004, 09:58 PM
Who says clay is the best surface anyways?:retard: and if these players are as talented as you claim them to be, they can produce the goods on all surfaces! it's not just on clay:yawn:

SJW
Jun 2nd, 2004, 10:14 PM
Who says clay is the best surface anyways?:retard: and if these players are as talented as you claim them to be, they can produce the goods on all surfaces! it's not just on clay:yawn:
bingo

bandabou
Jun 2nd, 2004, 11:51 PM
Who says clay is the best surface anyways?:retard: and if these players are as talented as you claim them to be, they can produce the goods on all surfaces! it's not just on clay:yawn:

well said!

Venus Forever
Jun 3rd, 2004, 12:15 AM
Clay, I have to say, is the WORST tennis surface, at least to watch.

TOO MANY ERRORS!!!!!

It is ugly tennis, and is never beautiful to watch. "Ohhh, they slide." So what?? Who cares if they slide if the point is just going to end in an error anyway??

Give me the other surfaces, where we can actually see more winners than errors, and a much higher quality of tennis.

tennnisfannn
Jun 3rd, 2004, 02:30 AM
Suarez in is in the ifnals without having to play a top tenner, if justine were healthy she might have had that spot.
Dementieva has some of the most powerful groundies on the tour.
Jen ditto
Myskina, she hits with alot of power too, i think she is underrated in that dept. kinda like justine's is.
As for the men, that is the one surface that have specialists not so the women. most of the top girls can play on all surfaces.

DemWilliamsGulls
Jun 3rd, 2004, 02:37 AM
definatley not clay...not all players can play on a clay service. Clay only does some players justice. Pete could never win on that surface....and only some people can win on Clay surfaces. I say Hard courts are the best because it has a common ground with all the players, then grass and clay last.

moby
Jun 3rd, 2004, 05:30 AM
i love to watch the players play on clay
of course it usually means players with weaker serves will get their serves pummelled even worse (like martina) so i don't think it helps them all that much

btw coria and gaudio are definitely not power players. maybe if you compare them to the women, they are. but on the men's side their power is nothing special

Crazy_Fool
Jun 4th, 2004, 08:47 PM
Gaudio v Coria and Myskina v Dementieva

Are these finals good for tennis? My opinion is yes, extremely talented players who were not blessed with an amazing amount of power with a massive serve yet managed to get to the top of tennis due to their all round game which has no obvious weaknesses.

I hope in the future we should have more slam finals like this ;)

JCF
Jun 4th, 2004, 09:27 PM
Its just been a fluke of a tournament, nothing else.

Ballbuster
Jun 4th, 2004, 09:36 PM
Not a good slam. It's no-name tennis at its finest - and this is very good for the Parisian crowd. They will print and read names noone knows. Good for them.

Here in the states, we have a love affair with the Federre's, Riddicks, Agassi's and Williams. Of course they will reach the finals in our fair country.

Steff_forever
Jun 4th, 2004, 09:37 PM
Roland Garros is the toughest of all Grand Slams. It forces even hard-hitters to change their games sometimes ...
The crowd can be cruel but it is provocing the most intensive feelings. Wimby on the other hand is sometimes too quiet to me and ball-changes(?) often end too quick - the USO is too loud, too indifferent and too impassible towards what goin' on on court. The AO is sometimes heated up in this way ...

I love Roland Garros cause it will always be linked to my sweetest Graf- and Seles-memories ...

fammmmedspin
Jun 4th, 2004, 10:48 PM
If you could agree and list the finals and SF people liked most because they were tight and competitive I suspect the French would be right up there. but not sure if its actually ahead. Depends too how far you go back and what surface the top players of the day excelled on. its been a long time since I remember a competitive wimbledon final. I got back to 1997 before I found one and I don't remember even that like 1995 or 1996..

volta
Jun 4th, 2004, 10:56 PM
Clay is easily the best surface. It kind of neutralises power and serving which imo aren't really natural talent anayway. So when extremely talented players like Dementieva, Coria, Myskina, Nalbandian and Gaudio make the semi's of slams it really is great for tennis. To see a lack of aces, 100 mph groundstrokes, and general powerful play is a pleasure to watch.

Its just a shame we have to go to Wimbeldon next, the most boring GS in the whole damn world!!
ROTFL wrong. first Winbledon is the best Slam alongside with USOpen.
and how you explain the hard hiters victory on clay?. oh you said Dementieva? LOL you sure know alot of Tennis to say that Dementieva isnīt a Hard Hiter. LLLLLLLLOOOOOOLLLLLLLLL. this were the worst Semis of RG in years LOL you didnīt saw RG this year did you? all Semis Sucked big big time.

venusfan
Jun 4th, 2004, 11:21 PM
Clay is easily the best surface. It kind of neutralises power and serving which imo aren't really natural talent anayway. So when extremely talented players like Dementieva, Coria, Myskina, Nalbandian and Gaudio make the semi's of slams it really is great for tennis. To see a lack of aces, 100 mph groundstrokes, and general powerful play is a pleasure to watch.

Its just a shame we have to go to Wimbeldon next, the most boring GS in the whole damn world!!
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

If the 4 finalist are all that tennis have to offer then I have to go elsewhere.

Crazy_Fool
Jun 4th, 2004, 11:56 PM
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

If the 4 finalist are all that tennis have to offer then I have to go elsewhere.
I suggest you go elsewhere. Big serving and power ground strokes are not great to watch in tennis. If some of you lot had never heard of Gaudio, Myskina, Coria etc then I suggest you are not really a fan of tennis.

Shenanigans
Jun 5th, 2004, 12:05 AM
I think it just depends on who is playing on clay, sometimes those long rallies can be really boring, when I was watching the Henman-Coria match, I thought it would be great if a few more of the female players would use the serve and volley game.

VS Fan
Jun 5th, 2004, 12:06 AM
Crazy Fool:

Dementieva HAS power ground strokes. This is why she is in the finals. Amazing that she could get there with such a CRAPPY serve. Doo-doo happens. She is excellent in rallies on ALL surfaces. I am not as clear on Myskina, but I think that recently she was ALSO billed as a "power player".

I think this idea is just a "slap" at Venus and Serena and Jennifer since it is convenient.

Elena also got to the final in Miami, in case some of you have forgotten.

volta
Jun 5th, 2004, 01:31 AM
I suggest you go elsewhere. Big serving and power ground strokes are not great to watch in tennis. If some of you lot had never heard of Gaudio, Myskina, Coria etc then I suggest you are not really a fan of tennis.
LOL then i donīt know why you like JH that much. sheīs making all Kim Jenn Davenport Williams type of game.wich is big serve and power ground strokes

njguido11
Jun 5th, 2004, 01:36 AM
I always enjoyed watching wimby the best. The usopen is always a good time. french is boring

volta
Jun 5th, 2004, 01:41 AM
I always enjoyed watching wimby the best. The usopen is always a good time. french is boring
yeah Aussie Open is always good to watch 2 i love both Wimbledon and USOpen they are my fav. i donīt like Rg at all

aussie
Jun 5th, 2004, 03:22 AM
I, personally, rate Wimbledon as my fav GS. Isn't it regarded as the most prestigous of the four? And since when has JH-H been regarded as a power hitter? Wasn't she more of the finesse and technique department?

Crazy Canuck
Jun 5th, 2004, 03:25 AM
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

If the 4 finalist are all that tennis have to offer then I have to go elsewhere.
Please do.

Crazy Canuck
Jun 5th, 2004, 03:27 AM
I suggest you go elsewhere. Big serving and power ground strokes are not great to watch in tennis. If some of you lot had never heard of Gaudio, Myskina, Coria etc then I suggest you are not really a fan of tennis.
Most of the people here are not fans of tennis - they are player fans, and there is a distinct difference between the two. It would also explain why 90% of the posts in this forum leave one with their jaw slack - they truly don't know what they are talking about.

That said, I think you're bagging on "power" too much, and don't understand your inclusion of Dementieva at all... or Nalbandian for that matter, who can whip a two hander up the line as good as almost anybody.

But.. I get your general point.

bandabou
Jun 5th, 2004, 10:06 AM
Most of the people here are not fans of tennis - they are player fans, and there is a distinct difference between the two. It would also explain why 90% of the posts in this forum leave one with their jaw slack - they truly don't know what they are talking about.

That said, I think you're bagging on "power" too much, and don't understand your inclusion of Dementieva at all... or Nalbandian for that matter, who can whip a two hander up the line as good as almost anybody.

But.. I get your general point.


Please.....you really think that if Justine was winning wimbledon year after year, but doing nada at RG, that crazy wouldnīt be saying that Wimbledon is the best slam for tennis?!