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Tennisace
Jun 2nd, 2004, 03:27 AM
Traditionally the All England Club has stayed rather close to the rankings when it comes time to seed for Wimbledon. This year though there may be greater potential to alter the seeding (mostly due to the injuries of the Williams sisters). It will be interesting to see how conservative or liberal they will be when it comes time to release the seedings.

The rankings I have here are projected rankings as of the semifinals, so it doesn't take in account taking off Birmingham/Vienna points. This though is not a big factor as most of the top players did not play that week. The only person possibly affected will be Sharapova, if she is not top 16 after Birmingham, I think the All England Club will bump her up to No. 16.

My projection of seedings to follow this post. Feel free to make up your own list ;) :D

1. Justine Henin-Hardenne
2003 Semifinals
2002 Semifinals
2001 Finals
2000 1st Round

*She should be seeded No. 1.

2. Kim Clijsters
2003 Semifinals
2002 2nd Round
2001 Quarterfinals
2000 2nd Round
1999 4th Round

*Susceptible to not be seeding No. 2

3. Amelie Mauresmo
2003 DNP
2002 Semifinals
2001 3rd Round
2000 1st Round
1999 DNP
1998 2nd Round

*Like Clijsters, not a spectacular Wimbledon record, could be seeded down.

4. Anastasia Myskina
2003 4th Round
2002 3rd Round
2001 2nd Round
2000 3rd Round

*Myskina has traditionally done much better in the warm-ups than Wimbledon (especially 2002). I can't see the committee giving her a higher seeding.

5. Lindsay Davenport
2003 Quarterfinals
2002 DNP
2001 Semifinals
2000 Finals
1999 Champion
1998 Quarterfinals
1997 2nd Round
1996 2nd Round
1995 4th Round
1994 Quarterfinals
1993 3rd Round

*As a past champion, Lindsay will definitely be seeded higher.

6. Jennifer Capriati
2003 Quarterfinals
2002 Quarterfinals
2001 Semifinals
2000 4th Round
1999 2nd Round
1998 2nd Round
1997 DNP
1996 DNP
1995 DNP
1994 DNP
1993 Quarterfinals
1992 Quarterfinals
1991 Semifinals
1990 4th Round

*Regardless if Jenn is ranked higher than Lindsay, I think the committee will seed Jenn behind Lindsay (though I do wonder what they will do if Jenn wins RG).

7. Elena Dementieva
2003 4th Round
2002 4th Round
2001 3rd Round
2000 1st Round
1999 1st Round

*Just an okay record.

8. Venus Williams
2003 Finals
2002 Finals
2001 Champion
2000 Champion
1999 Quarterfinals
1998 Quarterfinals
1997 1st Round

*Obviously, there is much justification to seed her higher.

9. Paola Suarez
2003 4th Round
2002 1st Round
2001 1st Round
2000 3rd Round
1999 1st Round
1998 1st Round
1997 1st Round
1996 1st Round
1995 DNP
1994 1st Round

*A less than spectacular showing on the grass.

10. Svetlana Kuznetsova
2003 Quarterfinals
2002 DNP

* With only one Wimbledon, what will they do, especially since its a quarterfinal showing.

11. Serena Williams
2003 Champion
2002 Champion
2001 Quarterfinals
2000 Semifinals
1999 DNP
1998 3rd Round

*We know for sure that the All England Club is not going to seed her No. 11

12. Nadia Petrova
2003 3rd Round
2002 DNP
2001 4th Round
2000 2nd Round
1999 2nd Round

*You think Nadia would be better on this surface with those groundies.

13. Ai Sugiyama
2003 4th Round
2002 3rd Round
2001 3rd Round
2000 2nd Round
1999 2nd Round
1998 1st Round
1997 1st Round
1996 4th Round
1995 1st Round
1994 1st Round
1993 1st Round

*For obvious reason counterpunching doesn't exactly work on grass.

14. Vera Zvonareva
2003 4th Round
2002 2nd Round

*See Sugiyama

15. Maria Sharapova
2003 4th Round

*Not enough history to be seeded higher, and I doubt the All England Club is ga-ga over Maria like everyone else ;)

16. Silvia Farina Elia
2003 Quarterfinals
2002 3rd Round
2001 3rd Round
2000 1st Round
1999 2nd Round
1998 1st Round
1997 1st Round
1996 1st Round
1995 2nd Round
1994 1st Round
1993 2nd Round
1992 1st Round
1991 DNP

* Too many early round exits to be considered a higher seeding. Plus the committee would never do it.

Tennisace
Jun 2nd, 2004, 03:28 AM
1. Justine Henin-Hardenne
2. Serena Williams
3. Lindsay Davenport
4. Kim Clijsters
5. Venus Williams
6. Amelie Mauresmo
7. Jennifer Capriati
8. Anastasia Myskina
9. Svetlana Kuznetsova
10. Elena Dementieva
11. Paola Suarez
12. Nadia Petrova
13. Ai Sugiyama
14. Vera Zvonareva
15. Maria Sharapova
16. Silvia Farina Elia

Of course it doesn't really matter where they seed you in the 5-8. So Venus could stay at No. 8 and it doesn't really matter, but then again that depends on who is seeded 1-4.

Knizzle
Jun 2nd, 2004, 03:29 AM
Justine wasn't in the finals last year.

BlinX
Jun 2nd, 2004, 03:30 AM
then how do the wimbledon rankings work????the commitee chooses numbers and seedings for a player based on their past results :scratch:

Knizzle
Jun 2nd, 2004, 03:30 AM
Why would LD be seeded higher than Venus??

Tennisace
Jun 2nd, 2004, 03:31 AM
Justine wasn't in the finals last year.
Thanks ;)

Tennisace
Jun 2nd, 2004, 03:32 AM
then how do the wimbledon rankings work????the commitee chooses numbers and seedings for a player based on their past results :scratch:
They usually take in account past performances at Wimbledon.

Stamp Paid
Jun 2nd, 2004, 03:33 AM
Oh no, Serena drops to #11 this week?! DAMN, DAMN, DAMN!

Tennisace
Jun 2nd, 2004, 03:33 AM
Why would LD be seeded higher than Venus??Hmm, just because she's ranked higher. And I doubt that they would seed both Lindsay and Venus ahead of No. 2 Clijsters.

I suppose Venus could be No. 3, with Clijsters at No. 4, and Lindsay at No. 5 but someone's going to get a slap in the face hahaha :D

Justin
Jun 2nd, 2004, 03:38 AM
1- Justine
2- Serena
3- Kim
4- Jen
5- Venus
6- Amelie
7- Nastya
8- Lindsay (#8 only cause her placement in 5-8 doesn't matter and they won't seed her #4 cause Jen will have won the French by Wimbledon seeding time ;) )

tenn_ace
Jun 2nd, 2004, 03:40 AM
was there a case in the past when they actually seeded down a French Open current year winner if she/he hadn't show much at Wimbledon?

anyone knows?

Tennisace
Jun 2nd, 2004, 03:41 AM
1- Justine
2- Serena
3- Kim
4- Jen
5- Venus
6- Amelie
7- Nastya
8- Lindsay (#8 only cause her placement in 5-8 doesn't matter and they won't seed her #4 cause Jen will have won the French by Wimbledon seeding time ;) )I do wonder what will happen if Jenn wins RG...even though that's on clay, but she's never reached the Wimby finals.

Justin
Jun 2nd, 2004, 03:42 AM
Not that I can recall. Even Majoli/Pierce got the seed of their ranking the year they won Roland Garros.

GoSandrine
Jun 2nd, 2004, 03:45 AM
I don't believe they'll move anyone up except for Serena and Venus. My guess is that the W committe will not want the sisters to meet before the semifinals so they'll be seeded in the Top 4. This may mean Amelie might get knocked out and be seeded 5.

In all fairness considering Venus and Serena's dominance at W the last several years I believe this would be the most logical seeding regardless of what else happens in Paris.

best best better
Jun 2nd, 2004, 03:48 AM
Serena will probably be number 2, Venus Top 8... other than that I don't see too much happening (They could possibly put Venus in Top 4, but I don't see it really). I mean, they can change it, but there's no point dropping Nastya down because she hasn't been that successful in the past. Wimbledon generally tend to reward success (past winners), rather than per se downgrading those who haven't been successful.

Infiniti2001
Jun 2nd, 2004, 03:58 AM
I hope they leave Vee as the #8 seed :p

VRULES
Jun 2nd, 2004, 04:06 AM
Venus is top eight no matter what, so that won't change, and Wimbledon won't upgrade someone over her unless she gets bumped first.

I say:

Justine- A little obvious
*Kim- if she plays, or she could be number 3
Serena - Past 2 years she won it, so its pretty much a given:worship:
Venus - Past four finals, and no loyalty to Jenn or Momo, so they won't have any problem bumping Venus over them:)
Momo - They woundn't bump anyone else over her, she'll whine to much!!:rolleyes:
Jenn - if she wins RG, other wise could be 7 or 8
Lindsay - no big change, would be 6 if Jenn doesn't win RG.
Myskina - could be higher if she beats Cappy at RG.

Zhao
Jun 2nd, 2004, 04:13 AM
1.JHH
2. Kim Clijsters
3.Serena Williams
4. Venus Williams
5.Amelie Mauresmo
6.Lindsay Davenport
7.Jennifer Capriati
8.Anastacia Myskina

ans
Jun 2nd, 2004, 07:40 AM
Justine and Kim will get the number 1 and 2 seeds, I'm quite sure. I don't know what they'll do with the other seeds.

DelMonte
Jun 2nd, 2004, 07:54 AM
Do you guys think Kim will be fit/healthy enough to play?? I dunno....

azza
Jun 2nd, 2004, 07:58 AM
Molik number 32 :)

crazzzy_grrl
Jun 2nd, 2004, 08:03 AM
Do you guys think Kim will be fit/healthy enough to play?? I dunno....

If she does play she wont be 100% fit, so id say she probably wont play coz theres no point putting her wrist under any more stress. She did that in the fed cup and it put her out for longer

Vass22
Jun 2nd, 2004, 08:06 AM
One thing I know is this: the Willies should not be seeded much above their ranking. As we had seen they are playing badly, worse than Myskina, for example. Although Serena should be seeded much higher.

Vass22
Jun 2nd, 2004, 08:08 AM
1.JHH
2. Kim Clijsters
3.Serena Williams
4. Venus Williams
5.Amelie Mauresmo
6.Lindsay Davenport
7.Jennifer Capriati
8.Anastacia Myskina

Venus Williams :lol:
If it was for me to decide dementieva would have been seeded higher than her. That would have been fair.

samn
Jun 2nd, 2004, 08:14 AM
Wimbledon usually seeds the players based on their rankings. The only exceptional case that I can think of in recent years was when they seeded Graf (ranked third) #2 ahead of Davenport (ranked second) at #3. It seemed reasonable because Davenport had never even reached the Wimbledon semis whereas Graf was a seven-time champ and a newly crowned French champ. Ironically, it worked to Davenport's advantage because Graf ended up with the toughest quarterfinal bracket (Venus Williams) and Davenport sailed through to the final with wins over an injured Jana Novotna and a qualifier (Alex Stevenson).

Wrt to this year's Wimbledon, I think the committee will follow the WTA seeding guidelines, and seed the Williamses higher than their actual ranking. If I had to do the seedings, I'd go with SW as #1, VW as #2, Henin-Hardenne as #3, and Clijsters as #4.

Vass22
Jun 2nd, 2004, 08:19 AM
Wrt to this year's Wimbledon, I think the committee will follow the WTA seeding guidelines, and seed the Williamses higher than their actual ranking. If I had to do the seedings, I'd go with SW as #1, VW as #2, Henin-Hardenne as #3, and Clijsters as #4.
Does that consider their recent form?
I'm pretty sure that the Willies wouldn't get seeded first at this Slam yet.

Andy T
Jun 2nd, 2004, 08:45 AM
Justine at 1 is a cert. My guess is that Serena will be seeded 2. She's two-time defending champ and I'm pretty sure her ranking is still protected. Clijsters and Mauresmo at 3 and 4, (or possibly Capriati at 4 if she wins RG). 5-8 (in no order): Capriati/Mauresmo, Davenport, Myskina and Venus Williams. This begs the question: what happens with Demetieva if she reaches the final at RG (or wins)?

Venus has been promoted to top 4 in the last two grand slams and come up short both times, so that will hit her chances.

best best better
Jun 2nd, 2004, 08:53 AM
The AEC committee's reason for making changes to official rankings is - I thought - to 'level' out any disadvantage to a player who has traditionally done well at Wimbledon but -for whatever reason - lacks form , and/or has not had a great year. It is not to give said player an advantage. I also think they boost a player seeding, where it is generally accepted that said player will justify that seeding. Seeding Venus at #2 imo gives her an advantage over Justine that she does not merit (sure, I'm biased). I wouldn't have a problem with them seeding her #4 because of the combining fact of her past record and OK results this year (She should make the semis). I can see them doing that (Venus' record at Wimbledon is kinda eye-popping). If Kim plays, she will be returning direct from an injury layoff, so pushing her down to #4 doesn't seem fair, especially in that no great advantage is served to Venus by this. But I guess, when was Wimbledon ever fair???

I'd go:

1. Justine
2. Serena
3. Kim
4. Venus

5-32 following on from that.

I don't know. Who knows?? They'll do whatever they please anyway.

Just in case anyone is going to say this: I do not necessarily believe that Justine will justify the #1 seeding by winning Wimbledon. But when you actually CHANGE someone's seeding from their ranking, it should be with confidence that they will justify that seeding.