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turt
May 30th, 2004, 08:30 AM
Yesterday I was at a friend of mine's house, and the whole family plays tennis at a good national level (his sister beat Kim Clijsters 10 years ago ;) ) and watches tennis on TV. I was talking to his father about how I'd like to go to the French Open when I finished my studies, and then he said to me he was at last year's French Open SF between Serena and Justine.
He said the match was really fun to watch from the stadium, because everybody was behind Justine, except a few Americans who were shouting "Sereeenaaa!" once in a while. The crowd really wanted to "push" Justine to victory, and when these "call incidents" appeared, everybody was mad at Serena because she looked like her usual self: an arrogant bitch. So, a lot of the crowd started to boo her, including my father's friend, and even cheer on her mistakes, although it didn't last that much. Some French guys a few seats away were the more noisy... My friend's father said that he wasn't really proud of himself, but would do it again in the same circumstances, because he thinks Serena "deserved" the treatment. Not especially for this particular match, but for her behaviour since she's been on the tour, always looking down at her opponents, always arrogant, the joke about the French people and war (actually it was on his mind when he was booing!) ...


Now, why did I create such a thread? Because I just wanted to show an example of people who booed during that match. The guy is not a racist and he knows a lot about tennis. So, draw your own conclusions, it's up to you ;)


Okay, don't blame me for reporting this, I never said I actually agreed with what he told me!

esquímaux
May 30th, 2004, 08:33 AM
WoW, those are some "friends" you have there :tape:

silverwhite
May 30th, 2004, 08:34 AM
I'll admit that Serena had been rather arrogant and stuff, but I think the crowd shouldn't have booed her because of what she did before the match. Maybe this isn't a very good analogy but if the crowd had booed Justine in the final because of the hand incident, would it have been fair?

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May 30th, 2004, 08:43 AM
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Nobody's Perfecc
May 30th, 2004, 08:46 AM
I have a feeling that the crowd wouldn't boo Justine if she did anything short of hitting her opponent with the racket.

I have a question: did Serena's attitude warrant the harsh treatment of the French crowd last year?

Sarah<Kim-fan>
May 30th, 2004, 09:31 AM
Yesterday I was at a friend of mine's house, and the whole family plays tennis at a good national level (his sister beat Kim Clijsters 10 years ago ;) )

boo at your friend's sister :tape: ;)

servenrichie
May 30th, 2004, 09:31 AM
Yesterday I was at a friend of mine's house, and the whole family plays tennis at a good national level (his sister beat Kim Clijsters 10 years ago ;) ) and watches tennis on TV. I was talking to his father about how I'd like to go to the French Open when I finished my studies, and then he said to me he was at last year's French Open SF between Serena and Justine.
He said the match was really fun to watch from the stadium, because everybody was behind Justine, except a few Americans who were shouting "Sereeenaaa!" once in a while. The crowd really wanted to "push" Justine to victory, and when these "call incidents" appeared, everybody was mad at Serena because she looked like her usual self: an arrogant bitch. So, a lot of the crowd started to boo her, including my father's friend, and even cheer on her mistakes, although it didn't last that much. Some French guys a few seats away were the more noisy... My father's friend said that he wasn't really proud of himself, but would do it again in the same circumstances, because he thinks Serena "deserved" the treatment. Not especially for this particular match, but for her behaviour since she's been on the tour, always looking down at her opponents, always arrogant, the joke about the French people and war (actually it was on his mind when he was booing!) ...


Now, why did I create such a thread? Because I just wanted to show an example of people who booed during that match. The guy is not a racist and he knows a lot about tennis. So, draw your own conclusions, it's up to you ;)


Okay, don't blame me for reporting this, I never said I actually agreed with what he told me!No suprised, people tend to socialise with people like them:devil:

SJW
May 30th, 2004, 10:28 AM
wait, you say your FATHER'S friend?

this is a damn shame. i suggest you find new friends :)

Sam L
May 30th, 2004, 10:35 AM
Yesterday I was at a friend of mine's house, and the whole family plays tennis at a good national level (his sister beat Kim Clijsters 10 years ago ;) ) and watches tennis on TV. I was talking to his father about how I'd like to go to the French Open when I finished my studies, and then he said to me he was at last year's French Open SF between Serena and Justine.
He said the match was really fun to watch from the stadium, because everybody was behind Justine, except a few Americans who were shouting "Sereeenaaa!" once in a while. The crowd really wanted to "push" Justine to victory, and when these "call incidents" appeared, everybody was mad at Serena because she looked like her usual self: an arrogant bitch. So, a lot of the crowd started to boo her, including my father's friend, and even cheer on her mistakes, although it didn't last that much. Some French guys a few seats away were the more noisy... My father's friend said that he wasn't really proud of himself, but would do it again in the same circumstances, because he thinks Serena "deserved" the treatment. Not especially for this particular match, but for her behaviour since she's been on the tour, always looking down at her opponents, always arrogant, the joke about the French people and war (actually it was on his mind when he was booing!) ...


Now, why did I create such a thread? Because I just wanted to show an example of people who booed during that match. The guy is not a racist and he knows a lot about tennis. So, draw your own conclusions, it's up to you ;)


Okay, don't blame me for reporting this, I never said I actually agreed with what he told me!
He had very legitimate reasons. I'm pretty sure that was the reason behind all boos at that match.

Allez-H
May 30th, 2004, 10:35 AM
boo at your friend's sister :tape: ;)
:lol:

turt
May 30th, 2004, 10:44 AM
boo at your friend's sister :tape: ;)
:p Kim was really pissed off that she lost that match... Anyway, it must be fun to say you've beaten a former world number one in tennis, even though it was at the age of ten ;)

bandabou
May 30th, 2004, 12:01 PM
hmmmm.....so your friends took more offense to the fact that Serena complained about calls whom she was right about all of them than to the fact that Justine raised her hand after Serena served and then denied she did so?! Says a lot.....

Serena´s comments were uncalled for, but she did apologize for them...guess it wasn´t enough.

bandabou
May 30th, 2004, 12:02 PM
And arrogance...aah, such a big word. Arrogance vs bad sportsmanship....which is worse?! All no.1 players are arrogant in some extent and even Juju-fans can attest that.

Greenout
May 30th, 2004, 12:03 PM
I have a feeling that the crowd wouldn't boo Justine if she did anything short of hitting her opponent with the racket.

I have a question: did Serena's attitude warrant the harsh treatment of the French crowd last year?


Hmmm..I wonder?? Hitting an opponent with her racket? Oh well..
there's still next year. ;)

Allez-H
May 30th, 2004, 12:05 PM
And arrogance...aah, such a big word. Arrogance vs bad sportsmanship....which is worse?! All no.1 players are arrogant in some extent and even Juju-fans can attest that.
So,how is that celebrationparty for Serenas hattrick at Wimbledon moving on?

Allez-H
May 30th, 2004, 12:06 PM
Hmmm..I wonder?? Hitting an opponent with her racket? Oh well..
there's still next year. ;)
It's never too late to try new stuff...I mean the hand is really getting old now :yawn:

Freewoman33
May 30th, 2004, 12:08 PM
Did he also explained why they have no class and would boo their own?

bandabou
May 30th, 2004, 12:15 PM
So,how is that celebrationparty for Serenas hattrick at Wimbledon moving on?

I´m afraid the party´s off....Serena´s yet to find her form. I thought she was gonna find it a bit sooner, but seeing that Justine´s playing Rosmalen....maybe I should pick her. ;)

Greenout
May 30th, 2004, 12:15 PM
And arrogance...aah, such a big word. Arrogance vs bad sportsmanship....which is worse?! All no.1 players are arrogant in some extent and even Juju-fans can attest that.


Sure, we know that and we love Justine for being the
"Punk Ass Bitch Monster" that she is. :p

!<blocparty>!
May 30th, 2004, 12:16 PM
IMO, when Serena started questioning calls, it was the straw that broke the camel's back (in a way).

That comment she made about the French and their clothes was one of the main reasons, but even still, she did not deserve that sort of treatment.

bandabou
May 30th, 2004, 12:17 PM
:lol: Me too.....but for Serena. Thank you11

DelMonte
May 30th, 2004, 12:19 PM
My father's friend said that he wasn't really proud of himself, but would do it again in the same circumstances, because he thinks Serena "deserved" the treatment.[/size]

Excellent instrumentalist reasoning! Logic 101: The nature of a wrong is determined not in reference to the thing itself but in reference to whom the thing is done to.

(Don't people realise that when you allow the actions of other people to cause you to behave in a way that you would not otherwise approve of, you've already comprised yourself?)

turt
May 30th, 2004, 01:55 PM
:o I've noticed I wrote "my father's friend" when actually I wanted to say "my friend's father" :o

K-Dog
May 30th, 2004, 02:28 PM
Well Turt, tell your friend's father that the French have NO class when it comes to tennis matches. It is a privilige to watch these top class athletes perform, and then it act like a bunch of ass-holes when all Serena was doing was trying to win when she questioned obviously incorrect calls, and the hand thing was so unsportmanslike. I believe that Justine should have been fined or put on probation for that action. She is obviously a cheater and uses a lot of gamesmanship in her matches. All the "medical" time-outs, the coaching on court (remember Indian Wells qtr.), of course the hand thing, and the line call in the Austrailain Open final(not her fault, but it looked like she would've attacked Sandra De Jenkins if she didn't correct it and plus you can see the mark on rebound ace). Serena may be an arrogant bitch, but at least she plays fair during her matches, Justine does not!! That just shows that that French crowd was full of a bunch of low-class, shit-heads!! Why don't they boo and harass Justine for all her cheating?

P.S. Like Justine isn't an arrogant bitch, please!!

bandabou
May 30th, 2004, 02:39 PM
Well Turt, tell your friend's father that the French have NO class when it comes to tennis matches. It is a privilige to watch these top class athletes perform, and then it act like a bunch of ass-holes when all Serena was doing was trying to win when she questioned obviously incorrect calls, and the hand thing was so unsportmanslike. I believe that Justine should have been fined or put on probation for that action. She is obviously a cheater and uses a lot of gamesmanship in her matches. All the "medical" time-outs, the coaching on court (remember Indian Wells qtr.), of course the hand thing, and the line call in the Austrailain Open final(not her fault, but it looked like she would've attacked Sandra De Jenkins if she didn't correct it and plus you can see the mark on rebound ace). Serena may be an arrogant bitch, but at least she plays fair during her matches, Justine does not!! That just shows that that French crowd was full of a bunch of low-class, shit-heads!! Why don't they boo and harass Justine for all her cheating?

P.S. Like Justine isn't an arrogant bitch, please!!


That´s what I´m talking about....don´t know about all the time-outs, but her actions during the RG SF last year weren´t exactly sportsmanlike.

VS Fan
May 30th, 2004, 02:56 PM
I thought checking the mark on close calls was a privledge afforded ALL players on the clay surface. Why should the crowd boo when a player ask for confirmation from the chair??

This year they seem to be booing ANY player who DARES ask for confirmation or even LOOKS at the mark.

Oh well.

Experimentee
May 30th, 2004, 03:50 PM
They didnt like Serena questioning a call but were ok with Justines hand incident? :rolleyes:
And the thing Serena said about French and fashion wasnt even insulting, she was just making a joke about France being one of the homes of high fashion. If that was insulting she would be insulting herself, as she likes making clothes too.

Its so funny though how that crowd are so infamous someone would boast about knowing one of them :haha:

turt
May 30th, 2004, 04:01 PM
Its so funny though how that crowd are so infamous someone would boast about knowing one of them :haha:Look, I've posted this because I've read lots of weird stuff about the "French Open crowd" recently, and I thought it would be interesting to share.
If a 50-year-old educated man, who loves tennis and who has a daughter who was quite a decent belgian player, can start booing a tennis star, obviously that particular player must have done something to provoke that behaviour (not necessarily on purpose, though...)! You don't start booing for no reason.

Oh and btw, that French joke was tasteless :tape:

dreamgoddess099
May 30th, 2004, 04:03 PM
The crowd really wanted to "push" Justine to victory, Yep because they knew that was the only way she was going to win. They knew Justine was weak and couldn't overcome Serena on her on. What does it say about you as a player when the crowd's strongly "pushing" you, but you are down in the third set against a true champ who is out there fighting with not nearly as many people "pushing" her? Then you only start to get back into the match when they start to boo their own defending champion in favor for a girl who is not even French; but I guess the fact that she speaks it is enough :rolleyes: . It's a shame the French were so desperate for a French champ that they were willing to setting for even one who just speaks the language. Pathetic. :rolleyes:

and when these "call incidents" appeared, everybody was mad at Serena because she looked like her usual self: an arrogant bitch. Yeah she really is very arrogant and selfish. Instead of looking up to her box like a scared rat a million times like Justine did, she looked within herself. The nerve of Serena to be confident in herself enough to win or fail on her own. :rolleyes:

Ted of Teds Tennis
May 30th, 2004, 04:09 PM
Look, I've posted this because I've read lots of weird stuff about the "French Open crowd" recently, and I thought it would be interesting to share.
If a 50-year-old educated man, who loves tennis and who has a daughter who was quite a decent belgian player, can start booing a tennis star, obviously that particular player must have done something to provoke that behaviour (not necessarily on purpose, though...)! You don't start booing for no reason.

I'm surprised you're too stupid to have figured this out by now. :p Serena (and Venus and Richard) never do anything wrong, and the only reason anybody would boo them is out of hatred.

(Seriously, I'm convinced that there are people here who would defend Richard if he pulled a Günther Parche and literally stabbed Kim or Justine in the back.)

turt
May 30th, 2004, 04:12 PM
What does it say about you as a player when the crowd's strongly "pushing" you, but you are down in the third set against a true champ who is out there fighting with not nearly as many people "pushing" her?Well, it's not like Justine asked them to cheer for her and to boo Serena... BTW, if you're gonna use that one to diminish Justine's accomplishments, what about US Open SF 2003? :tape:

bandabou
May 30th, 2004, 04:16 PM
Turt....you wanna justify the booing....you can´t. Give it up.The crowd was wrong in every manner.

Experimentee
May 30th, 2004, 04:24 PM
Look, I've posted this because I've read lots of weird stuff about the "French Open crowd" recently, and I thought it would be interesting to share.
If a 50-year-old educated man, who loves tennis and who has a daughter who was quite a decent belgian player, can start booing a tennis star, obviously that particular player must have done something to provoke that behaviour (not necessarily on purpose, though...)! You don't start booing for no reason.

Oh and btw, that French joke was tasteless :tape:

Even the most educated well behaved people act badly sometimes. You cant justify bad behaviour just because of the person who did it. There are even some criminals who never did a bad thing in their life but just once they do something horrible, and they end up in jail.

harloo
May 30th, 2004, 04:34 PM
If this is true which I highly doubt then it just proves that these friends(French and Belgian fans) have no class. The French are a nasty bunch of fans IMO anyways always salivating at the mouth ready to boo at the drop of a hat.

Serena was booed because she simply was dominant, and their precious Mauresmo was outsted. Serena dismantled her, so why not cheat for the unsportmanlike H-H? They did just that acting like a bunch of drunken sailors and their goal was accomplished. They beat Serena, Justine didn't but they did. So IMO they did a good job, we will just have to see how Serena reacts to such nastiness this year.

And watch if one of the sisters meets Amelie in the finals. Venus will be booed also.:rolleyes: :mad:

turt
May 30th, 2004, 04:37 PM
Even the most educated well behaved people act badly sometimes. You cant justify bad behaviour just because of the person who did it. There are even some criminals who never did a bad thing in their life but just once they do something horrible, and they end up in jail.
Wow :eek: Comparing someone who booed a player with criminals? :confused:

I hope you never go to a football/basketball/any team sports match, because you'll see a bunch of criminals then... :tape:

Oh, and the Argentinians consider Maradona the greatest of all times, for scoring a goal with his hand ;)

dreamgoddess099
May 30th, 2004, 04:40 PM
P.S. Like Justine isn't an arrogant bitch, please!!Tell me about it. Such an arrogant bitch that she still has never owned up to her behavior in that match. Trust me, you have to have an enormous amount of arrogance to break the rules of your sport on camera and with millions of people around the world watching, then play innocent like you did nothing wrong. Haters keep talking about how Serena deserved such unfair treatment because of her personality, but readily excuse Justine's cowardly behavior in that match. You can harp all you want about Serena's personality, but at least she plays by the rules. Also, it takes very arrogant person to say that someone doesn't deserve a fair match just because you don't like their personality. :rolleyes:

turt
May 30th, 2004, 04:41 PM
The French are a nasty bunch of fans IMO anyways always salivating at the mouth ready to boo at the drop of a hat.lol, you mean "at the drop of a beret"? :haha:

bandabou
May 30th, 2004, 04:45 PM
Tell me about it. Such an arrogant bitch that she still has never owned up to her behavior in that match. Trust me, you have to have an enormous amount of arrogance to break the rules of your sport on camera and with millions of people around the world watching, then play innocent like you did nothing wrong. Haters keep talking about how Serena deserved such unfair treatment because of her personality, but readily excuse Justine's cowardly behavior in that match. You can harp all you want about Serena's personality, but at least she plays by the rules. Also, it takes very arrogant person to say that someone doesn't deserve a fair match just because you don't like their personality. :rolleyes:


Exactly....personality has no bearings on the fact that you have to play by the rules and that you have the right on a fair treatment...universal rules!

Experimentee
May 30th, 2004, 04:46 PM
Wow :eek: Comparing someone who booed a player with criminals? :confused:

I hope you never go to a football/basketball/any team sports match, because you'll see a bunch of criminals then... :tape:

Oh, and the Argentinians consider Maradona the greatest of all times, for scoring a goal with his hand ;)

Read my post again. Nowhere did I compare them with criminals. :rolleyes:

I'll put my point more simply for you. Sometimes people act out of character.

Just because someone is a good person does not mean they cannot make mistakes sometimes, or do something bad.

So you cannot say the booing was right just because you think your friends father is a good person.

Experimentee
May 30th, 2004, 04:48 PM
If thats the English comprehension level of general tennis fans in Belgium, no wonder Serena's comments get taken the wrong way!

dreamgoddess099
May 30th, 2004, 04:51 PM
Oh and btw, that French joke was tasteless :tape:So I guess Serena was lying and the French do want war and hate to make clothes. They'd better not tell anybody or else they'd lose their reputation for being the fashion capital of the world. The nerve of Serena to lie on the French, especially when she has listed it as one of her favorite places to visit and talks about how much money she spends shopping there.

turt
May 30th, 2004, 04:51 PM
Read my post again. Nowhere did I compare them with criminals. :rolleyes:

I'll put my point more simply for you. Sometimes people act out of character.

Just because someone is a good person does not mean they cannot make mistakes sometimes, or do something bad.

So you cannot say the booing was right just because you think your friends father is a good person.I know you didn't compare them with criminals. Don't act like you don't know what I'm talking about: it's on purpose you made an analogy with criminals! :rolleyes:

I didn't say either that the booing was right. I just pointed out that, good one or bad one, there was a reason! As I said, you don't start booing for no reason!

dreamgoddess099
May 30th, 2004, 04:54 PM
BTW, if you're gonna use that one to diminish Justine's accomplishments, what about US Open SF 2003? :tape:
Oh you mean the match where she started faking the cramps? Are you serious? :lol:

turt
May 30th, 2004, 04:55 PM
If thats the English comprehension level of general tennis fans in Belgium, no wonder Serena's comments get taken the wrong way!
That's very low... Some subtleties of the languages are universal! I've understood every word you said and all the "hidden meanings" your post implied :tape:

brickhousesupporter
May 30th, 2004, 04:56 PM
I know you didn't compare them with criminals. Don't act like you don't know what I'm talking about: it's on purpose you made an analogy with criminals! :rolleyes:

I didn't say either that the booing was right. I just pointed out that, good one or bad one, there was a reason! As I said, you don't start booing for no reason!
WE all knew there was a reason for them booing Serena, whether that be racism or hatred or whatever....Having a reason does not make the act any better.

turt
May 30th, 2004, 04:58 PM
WE all knew there was a reason for them booing Serena, whether that be racism or hatred or whatever....Having a reason does not make the act any better.
Well, if I believe some posters here, the French crowd just likes to boo for no reason...

bandabou
May 30th, 2004, 04:59 PM
I know you didn't compare them with criminals. Don't act like you don't know what I'm talking about: it's on purpose you made an analogy with criminals! :rolleyes:

I didn't say either that the booing was right. I just pointed out that, good one or bad one, there was a reason! As I said, you don't start booing for no reason!


But you don´t condemn it either....

turt
May 30th, 2004, 05:04 PM
But you don´t condemn it either....
No, I think it wasn't nice to Serena. But on the other hand, I'm trying to understand what made people do that, and I'm not condemning them too fast either!

bandabou
May 30th, 2004, 05:06 PM
No, I think it wasn't nice to Serena. But on the other hand, I'm trying to understand what made people do that, and I'm not condemning them too fast either!

O.k...

Experimentee
May 30th, 2004, 05:10 PM
That's very low... Some subtleties of the languages are universal! I've understood every word you said and all the "hidden meanings" your post implied :tape:

Looking at this post, obviously you dont understand what I was saying.

Obviously the analogy with criminals was not meant to be literal. Someone else in this thread compared Richard Williams to Gunther Parche too. That wasnt meant to be literal either, but i dont see you jumping all over him :rolleyes:

Anyway maybe because English is the 2nd or 3rd language of most Europeans, its normal that they dont understand jokes that Americans like Serena make.

Experimentee
May 30th, 2004, 05:14 PM
Well, if I believe some posters here, the French crowd just likes to boo for no reason...

Then what is the reason for booing Roddick, Capriati, Shaughnessy, ASV, and many others? Obviously they like to boo for very little or no reason.

turt
May 30th, 2004, 05:16 PM
Looking at this post, obviously you dont understand what I was saying.

Obviously the analogy with criminals was not meant to be literal. Someone else in this thread compared Richard Williams to Gunther Parche too. That wasnt meant to be literal either, but i dont see you jumping all over him :rolleyes:

Anyway maybe because English is the 2nd or 3rd language of most Europeans, its normal that they dont understand jokes that Americans like Serena make.
Well, the Richard Williams - Parche comparison was a bit inappropriate too, but yeah, I can see more relevance in that one though ;)

As for your assumption that we European may be misled by our lack of English language knowledge, you don't get it. It's a matter of culture, not a matter of language...

bandabou
May 30th, 2004, 05:21 PM
Funny...seems that the kids DO love Serena...if only the adults did...

Allez-H
May 30th, 2004, 06:17 PM
Oh you mean the match where she started faking the cramps? Are you serious? :lol:
Yep,that bitch faked those cramps and than even called for a trainer at that crucial point of the third set....And to fullfill the acting-performance she even deared to be put on a drip.Seriously that cheating,lying bitch just doenst' know where to stop :fiery:

KoOlMaNsEaN
May 30th, 2004, 06:19 PM
well i guess you have some ignorant friends

SJW
May 30th, 2004, 06:23 PM
Look, I've posted this because I've read lots of weird stuff about the "French Open crowd" recently, and I thought it would be interesting to share.
If a 50-year-old educated man, who loves tennis and who has a daughter who was quite a decent belgian player, can start booing a tennis star, obviously that particular player must have done something to provoke that behaviour (not necessarily on purpose, though...)! You don't start booing for no reason.

Oh and btw, that French joke was tasteless :tape:
just shows that educated fools are the worst kind :)

and tasteless? sections of the French crowd are nothing but :)

spencercarlos
May 30th, 2004, 06:28 PM
Tell me about it. Such an arrogant bitch that she still has never owned up to her behavior in that match. Trust me, you have to have an enormous amount of arrogance to break the rules of your sport on camera and with millions of people around the world watching, then play innocent like you did nothing wrong. Haters keep talking about how Serena deserved such unfair treatment because of her personality, but readily excuse Justine's cowardly behavior in that match. You can harp all you want about Serena's personality, but at least she plays by the rules. Also, it takes very arrogant person to say that someone doesn't deserve a fair match just because you don't like their personality. :rolleyes:
What a great post.... and BTW coward is too good to name Justine`s hand job, Cheater=Liar would be more appropiate.!

dreamgoddess099
May 30th, 2004, 07:28 PM
Yep,that bitch faked those cramps and than even called for a trainer at that crucial point of the third set....And to fullfill the acting-performance she even deared to be put on a drip.Seriously that cheating,lying bitch just doenst' know where to stop :fiery:She never called the trainer during that match. According to her, she didn't want people to accuse her of not playing fair. She brought that on herself; nobody made her put her hand up then break the rules by not allowing her opponent another first serve. She should have thought about the kind of player people would think she was when she used gamesmanship and didn't own up to it. Belgians may tolerate her gamesmanship because she is Belgian, but the rest of the world aren't going to because we don't give a shit about her being Belgian. When you break the rules of the game, don't get mad when people call you a cheater because you've earned the label.

tennisfun
May 30th, 2004, 07:58 PM
I know you didn't compare them with criminals. Don't act like you don't know what I'm talking about: it's on purpose you made an analogy with criminals! :rolleyes:

I didn't say either that the booing was right. I just pointed out that, good one or bad one, there was a reason! As I said, you don't start booing for no reason!You are an assh*** just like Justine. There must be a reason for you and Justine being an ass. And you wonder why? Because there is a reason. You are an asshole for a reason.

vettipooh
May 30th, 2004, 08:27 PM
WoW, those are some "friends" you have there :tape: Exactly my sentiments!!!Birds of a feather.......:tape: :rolleyes:

LindsayRocks89
May 30th, 2004, 08:33 PM
I'd say your friends are pretty ignorant and maybe racist :tape:

Yasmine
May 30th, 2004, 08:44 PM
WE all knew there was a reason for them booing Serena, whether that be racism or hatred or whatever....Having a reason does not make the act any better.

This is the only sensible statement I have read in this whole thread. I must confess being supportive of Justine in that SF but I totally disagree with the booing for whatever reason. It must not have been an enjoyable moment for Serena and I felt sorry for her.
It is a tennis match we're talking about, nothing else. The croud should be there to enjoy a moment of sport and in that case, watching great players. I agree that people can't help themselves and have a VERY VERY stupid behaviour and that includes my fellow french tennis fans. But this sort of behaviour exists in all tournaments and nothing we say or do is going to stop it.

wongqks
May 30th, 2004, 09:12 PM
Well, every coutnry did the same. I was at US Open last year in semis, and believe me, they are not not exactly warm to Justine.

People cheer and boo becuase they are into the match. Sometimes it is wrong (aka Serena-Justine match) but no one thought about it when they watch a match. Theywant it to be exciting, and they want to create an atmosphere, it is just a burst of the moment.

turt
May 30th, 2004, 09:30 PM
Well, every coutnry did the same. I was at US Open last year in semis, and believe me, they are not not exactly warm to Justine.

People cheer and boo becuase they are into the match. Sometimes it is wrong (aka Serena-Justine match) but no one thought about it when they watch a match. Theywant it to be exciting, and they want to create an atmosphere, it is just a burst of the moment.
:worship:

bandabou
May 30th, 2004, 09:43 PM
Yeah, yeah...they were in the match already, but they took Serena out of it by doing so....and there was no reason for it. If it was about the French comments....I could understand them booing when Serena was introduced or something....but the booing at the moment they booed?! For what?! When Serena was the one who was right?!

Yasmine
May 30th, 2004, 11:21 PM
Well, every coutnry did the same. I was at US Open last year in semis, and believe me, they are not not exactly warm to Justine.

People cheer and boo becuase they are into the match. Sometimes it is wrong (aka Serena-Justine match) but no one thought about it when they watch a match. Theywant it to be exciting, and they want to create an atmosphere, it is just a burst of the moment.

At least someone with a bit of comon sense around here. All crouds are the same: I'ld quite like to see how the english crowd at Wimbly would be itowards an US player playing Henman on Centre ciyrt...

Yasmine
May 30th, 2004, 11:22 PM
Well, every coutnry did the same. I was at US Open last year in semis, and believe me, they are not not exactly warm to Justine.

People cheer and boo becuase they are into the match. Sometimes it is wrong (aka Serena-Justine match) but no one thought about it when they watch a match. Theywant it to be exciting, and they want to create an atmosphere, it is just a burst of the moment.

At least someone with a bit of comon sense around here. All crouds are the same: I'ld quite like to see how the english crowd at Wimbly would be towards an US player playing Henman on Centre court...

monicain
May 31st, 2004, 08:41 AM
Yep because they knew that was the only way she was going to win. They knew Justine was weak and couldn't overcome Serena on her on. What does it say about you as a player when the crowd's strongly "pushing" you, but you are down in the third set against a true champ who is out there fighting with not nearly as many people "pushing" her? Then you only start to get back into the match when they start to boo their own defending champion in favor for a girl who is not even French; but I guess the fact that she speaks it is enough. It's a shame the French were so desperate for a French champ that they were willing to setting for even one who just speaks the language. Pathetic.

Yeah she really is very arrogant and selfish. Instead of looking up to her box like a scared rat a million times like Justine did, she looked within herself. The nerve of Serena to be confident in herself enough to win or fail on her own. A scared rat? Umm. Steffi always looked up to her box and that support brought her more success than both the williams combined x 2. Hey, remember, other players have supporters, some even have the whole stadium. That's why they can appreciate their support. Maybe Ms Williams has so few supporters that she's not used to it. Perhaps...:rolleyes:

Juju faking cramps is such a narrow-minded idea. Pete Sampras had been concealing his anaemic problem until he retired just becoz he was scared that his opponent would be mentally stronger. Then why would Juju unveiled her non-existing vulnerability? Whole craps. They are all following the rules. Including the american that managed to give Andy and Agassi, only the two of them, to rest 3 nights while others were competing so hard. They broke no rule, anyway.:o

Now I would like to see how the yanks will react to thier defending champion.

Anyway, I still am happy Juju has raised her hand up that day, though it has brought her no matches, no victories, it still pisses some sore losers off so far.

DelMonte
May 31st, 2004, 07:20 PM
Well, every coutnry did the same. I was at US Open last year in semis, and believe me, they are not not exactly warm to Justine.

People cheer and boo becuase they are into the match. Sometimes it is wrong (aka Serena-Justine match) but no one thought about it when they watch a match. Theywant it to be exciting, and they want to create an atmosphere, it is just a burst of the moment.

Well, you might be right but it is also right that some people have far more sinister reasons when the boo and jeer Serena and Venus. The following is a quote from an Australian journalist; I just saw it today. The full article is posted in another thread.

Stubborn idiots still carry a grudge against her for an episode that was none of her doing a year ago involving Justine Henin-Hardenne in a semi-final.

Watching her overwhelm the outgunned Japanese Shinobu Asagoe on that same centre court, I heard a couple of yells of "negrita" with a French expletive or two in front.

bandabou
May 31st, 2004, 07:24 PM
I guess it´s just frustrating that people always boo Serena without any obvious reason. IW´01, Oz open ´03, French Open´03.....always just to get into the match but always against her?! Never a cheer up or anything?! People are gonna regret it someday....that they didn´t appreciate such a grand champion.

bandabou
May 31st, 2004, 07:25 PM
Well, you might be right but it is also right that some people have far more sinister reasons when the boo and jeer Serena and Venus. The following is a quote from an Australian journalist; I just saw it today. The full article is posted in another thread.

Stubborn idiots still carry a grudge against her for an episode that was none of her doing a year ago involving Justine Henin-Hardenne in a semi-final.

Watching her overwhelm the outgunned Japanese Shinobu Asagoe on that same centre court, I heard a couple of yells of "negrita" with a French expletive or two in front.


Really?! Sick, sick..... :mad: :fiery:

Stamp Paid
May 31st, 2004, 07:33 PM
Well, every coutnry did the same. I was at US Open last year in semis, and believe me, they are not not exactly warm to Justine.

People cheer and boo becuase they are into the match. Sometimes it is wrong (aka Serena-Justine match) but no one thought about it when they watch a match. Theywant it to be exciting, and they want to create an atmosphere, it is just a burst of the moment.
Oh Justine was treated soooo bad!! A few seconds of jeering on what, three points in the match!!!! Oh wow, Americans are just as bad as the French, huh?

Please, you cannot dare compare the way the crowd treated Justine at the US Open to the way that the crowd treated Serena at the FO Semis, OK?

bandabou
May 31st, 2004, 07:37 PM
Oh Justine was treated soooo bad!! A few seconds of jeering on what, three points in the match!!!! Oh wow, Americans are just as bad as the French, huh?

Please, you cannot dare compare the way the crowd treated Justine at the US Open to the way that the crowd treated Serena at the FO Semis, OK?


Exactly....some people DO have SOME nerves!

Martian Jeza
May 31st, 2004, 07:39 PM
Wow, did you ask him an autograph ? :p

Fingon
May 31st, 2004, 08:08 PM
Oh you mean the match where she started faking the cramps? Are you serious? :lol:
I am amazed how much power Justine has, not only she faked cramps, she also convinced the american doctors to lie for her and she got iv fluids just to keep the comedy.

Really, cheers to Microsoft's windows, it's amazing that with it peopla as stupid as you can use a computer.:rolleyes:

Allez-H
May 31st, 2004, 08:13 PM
I am amazed how much power Justine has, not only she faked cramps, she also convinced the american doctors to lie for her and she got iv fluids just to keep the comedy.

Really, cheers to Microsoft's windows, it's amazing that with it peopla as stupid as you can use a computer.:rolleyes:
:tape: :tape: :tape:

LDVTennis
May 31st, 2004, 08:58 PM
If this is true which I highly doubt then it just proves that these friends(French and Belgian fans) have no class. The French are a nasty bunch of fans IMO anyways always salivating at the mouth ready to boo at the drop of a hat.

There is a lot of blame to go around. While you're at it, why not blame the crowd at Indian Wells that booed Serena too?

Or, instead of blaming why don't you step back and look at the big picture.

Tennis fans on both sides of the Atlantic have booed Serena. Though their apparent reasons for doing so may have been different, I think in both cases they were holding Serena accountable for her role in trying to make tennis something it is not, a spectacle.

How responsible has Serena been for that? Well, in Indian Wells, the William's family gave the appearance that they were trying to fix the outcome of the tournament. Venus' injury notwithstanding, the William's family had already created the suspicion about picking the winner (Venus or Serena). What they didn't realize is that they were already walking on thin rope, not only because of that suspicion, but also because of the ideological composition of the Palm Springs crowd.

At last year's French Open, Serena was already on thin ice because of her comments that the French would rather make clothes than make war. From a cultural standpoint, and I am speaking here as someone who has done intellectural research on postwar French culture, the French as a people undertand irony and hypocrisy better than we Americans. So, how ironic do you think they found Serena's statement that the French would rather make clothes and not war? Intolerably ironic, since it turns out so would Serena. She would rather play tennis and design tennis outfits than go to war herself.

A few months after the French open, I met up with some French colleagues of mine. Knowing that I am a huge tennis fan, they were the one's that brought up the booing incident. The irony of the statement hadn't really occured to me, until they confirmed it.

They also brought something else to my attention. While the French certainly relish a good "specatacle" - they may have even invented the concept (Guy Debord's "Society of the Spectacle"), the irony here is that they don't like their sports to be turned into spectacle. It could be argued that Serena has done so through her frequent lapses from the sport, by treating tennis like some kind of sideshow in her life, by allowing her father early in her career to act like the mater of ceremonies of her career, by making the tennis court a showcase for her unconventional tennis wear, and by calling herself an entertainer rather than a tennis player.

What I found quite revealing about the conversation I had with my French friends is that it identified a possible point of consensus between American and French tennis fans, or, at least, the American tennis fans that were at the Nasdaq100 two years ago, the one's that booed Venus when it looked like she was giving up in her match against Serena. I was one of those who was booing. I had paid good money for a season box seat. All I wanted was a competitive tennis match. Intead, and really I shouldn't have been surprised, I was treated to the melodrama, that is the Williams' family.

Some tennis fans, myself included, are not racists. In fact, based on what has been said in this thread about the French, we could argue that we are more openminded than those who would simply dismiss any criticism of the Williams' sisters as racist. What tennis fans like me, however, can't tolerate is any tennis player who would try to hijack the sport and make it a platform for something else --- politics, family pride, fashion, an acting career, etc.. As long as the Williams's sisters continue to treat tennis like some kind of sideshow, they're likely to continue to hear the boos.

cool bird
May 31st, 2004, 09:28 PM
Well it must feel great to boo a twenty one year old, When all she is trying to do is win a match.
I will have to try it sometime

Stamp Paid
May 31st, 2004, 09:37 PM
There is a lot of blame to go around. While you're at it, why not blame the crowd at Indian Wells that booed Serena too?

Or, instead of blaming why don't you step back and look at the big picture.

Tennis fans on both sides of the Atlantic have booed Serena. Though their apparent reasons for doing so may have been different, I think in both cases they were holding Serena accountable for her role in trying to make tennis something it is not, a spectacle.

How responsible has Serena been for that? Well, in Indian Wells, the William's family gave the appearance that they were trying to fix the outcome of the tournament. Venus' injury notwithstanding, the William's family had already created the suspicion about picking the winner (Venus or Serena). What they didn't realize is that they were already walking on thin rope, not only because of that suspicion, but also because of the ideological composition of the Palm Springs crowd.

At last year's French Open, Serena was already on thin ice because of her comments that the French would rather make clothes than make war. From a cultural standpoint, and I am speaking here as someone who has done intellectural research on postwar French culture, the French as a people undertand irony and hypocrisy better than we Americans. So, how ironic do you think they found Serena's statement that the French would rather make clothes and not war? Intolerably ironic, since it turns out so would Serena. She would rather play tennis and design tennis outfits than go to war herself.

A few months after the French open, I met up with some French colleagues of mine. Knowing that I am a huge tennis fan, they were the one's that brought up the booing incident. The irony of the statement hadn't really occured to me, until they confirmed it.

They also brought something else to my attention. While the French certainly relish a good "specatacle" - they may have even invented the concept (Guy Debord's "Society of the Spectacle"), the irony here is that they don't like their sports to be turned into spectacle. It could be argued that Serena has done so through her frequent lapses from the sport, by treating tennis like some kind of sideshow in her life, by allowing her father early in her career to act like the mater of ceremonies of her career, by making the tennis court a showcase for her unconventional tennis wear, and by calling herself an entertainer rather than a tennis player.

What I found quite revealing about the conversation I had with my French friends is that it identified a possible point of consensus between American and French tennis fans, or, at least, the American tennis fans that were at the Nasdaq100 two years ago, the one's that booed Venus when it looked like she was giving up in her match against Serena. I was one of those who was booing. I had paid good money for a season box seat. All I wanted was a competitive tennis match. Intead, and really I shouldn't have been surprised, I was treated to the melodrama, that is the Williams' family.

Some tennis fans, myself included, are not racists. In fact, based on what has been said in this thread about the French, we could argue that we are more openminded than those who would simply dismiss any criticism of the Williams' sisters as racist. What tennis fans like me, however, can't tolerate is any tennis player who would try to hijack the sport and make it a platform for something else --- politics, family pride, fashion, an acting career, etc.. As long as the Williams's sisters continue to treat tennis like some kind of sideshow, they're likely to continue to hear the boos.
I doubt if all 30,000 people in that crowd analyzed the "perceived" subtleties and ironies about the Williams family and their place in the tennis establishment that you have, and decided to boo Serena for that reason. Its not that deep.

1.) Serena said something that honked the French off. OK, but this ain't the main reason why, because they didn't have a problem with Serena until the SF match.

2.) Serena, the big American, was playing the small, Gallic, European, Francophone girl. Justine was more relatable to the French crowd than Serena. But thats not unique to the French, because Amelie Mauresmo was more relatable to the American crowd in the US Open SF in 2002 as well.

3.) Serena was black, Justine was white. When I say racism played a factor, I'm not saying that French people don't like blacks, so they booed Serena. They're far more subtle than that, right? I mean racism played a factor as in, "We'd rather have this little white girl beat up this big black girl because it would add a bit to my racial pride, whereas Serena clobbering Justine would have taken away from it."

4.) Serena questioned a call. The Roland Garros crowd gets mad whenever anyone questions a call, unless theyre French or a sentimental favorite of the crowd. So, when Serena (rightly, might I add) questioned a few calls that were in fact out, this triggered the crowd. After that, everything that I've outlined in my previous points was remembered, and they began to get ugly.

It's really this simple.:wavey:

bandabou
May 31st, 2004, 09:57 PM
Nicely said, nicely said and all....but how in the heck can Serena be held accountable for actions of her father, her sister for retiring or withdrawing,etc.?! Well....her comment about the French might have been wrong. But why not boo at the start of the match when she´s introduced?! That might have been understandable...but booing at that point of the match and after she complained about something that was totally right on?! Justine RAISED her hand and DENIED it. THAT is something to take offense..