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alextreiber04
May 2nd, 2004, 02:55 PM
saying that Venus didn't beat anyone big :rolleyes: and say this is all hype let us congratulate Venus for a great job and let me be one of the first to say:

Sheeeeeeeee'ssss Back! :rocker2:

Paneru
May 2nd, 2004, 02:57 PM
I second that motion! :bigclap:

Ballbuster
May 2nd, 2004, 02:57 PM
Precisely,

It is not Venus' fault that THEY (got beat) chose not to play in the tournaments that she beat everybody down in.

iluvtrent
May 2nd, 2004, 02:58 PM
yep! Venus' toughest opponent has always been injury

Paneru
May 2nd, 2004, 02:58 PM
yep! Venus' toughest opponent has always been injury
:worship:

alextreiber04
May 2nd, 2004, 02:59 PM
And also, Venus lost to this player (Svetlana) earlier in the year...and I'd have to admit beating the player who beat you on your best surface and then coming back and beating them on your worst is pretty damn good.

Ballbuster
May 2nd, 2004, 03:02 PM
And also, Venus lost to this player (Svetlana) earlier in the year...and I'd have to admit beating the player who beat you on your best surface and then coming back and beating them on your worst is pretty damn good.

boy, Venus was really out of sorts earlier this year - wasn't she?

I take my hat off to her for her speedy turn-around.

Volcana
May 2nd, 2004, 03:02 PM
"haters' is far to broad in this case. One could be a fan of Kuznetsova who otherwise thinks well of Venus and be making excuses.:)

St.Sebastian
May 2nd, 2004, 03:03 PM
Great job! It's not that Sveta isn't a great player. She definitely is one! But Venus just played great, I was really impressed as I've seen the match.

Vee :bowdown:

WilliamzX2
May 2nd, 2004, 03:04 PM
she sure was...makes this all the sweeter...you make us proud Vee!! through thick and thin girl!!! here we are behind you (some of us anyway)!

Andy T
May 2nd, 2004, 03:07 PM
I'm really happy to see Venus back on form and hats off to her for two great back-to-back tournament performances.

At the same time the hypocrisy of some posters is amazing; when Venus and Serena were injured, people were saying that Justine and Kim were not the rightful #1 and #2 whereas they have changed their tune totally now the situation is reversed. Now, Venus is the dominant player, it's not her fault the others are injured, she beat all the opponents she faced etc, etc.

TeeRexx
May 2nd, 2004, 03:12 PM
Fortunately, there are only a few real Williams haters on board, the rest are merly fans of other fine players.

But, I can see why the haters feel the way they do because the Williams fans have the best faves in tennis, heck, in all sports! :p :)

WilliamzX2
May 2nd, 2004, 03:14 PM
you are right about that Andy T..only difference for me here though is that Venus and Serena has a winning record over every one in the top ten...so I think that is why some people felt that way....

Bezz
May 2nd, 2004, 03:16 PM
Congrats to venus on her 2nd title of the year, i think she has had as hard opponents as kim did when she won her tournaments, she didnt have to beat anyone of noticeable achievement-mainly cos they were injured or fell b4 they were due to meet aswel. I am glad Venus is back, all we need now is for the 2 belgians to be back at 100% (aswell as serena and jenn), i dont want to swap them around for the williams, i would prefer it if they all played together. As long as kim's arm and jenn's back hold up in berlin there should be good semi's and a great final :cool: .

akosijepoy
May 2nd, 2004, 03:18 PM
Welcome Back to the TOP ms. venus williams!!! :) :D

maximus82
May 2nd, 2004, 03:21 PM
At the same time the hypocrisy of some posters is amazing; when Venus and Serena were injured, people were saying that Justine and Kim were not the rightful #1 and #2 whereas they have changed their tune totally now the situation is reversed. Now, Venus is the dominant player, it's not her fault the others are injured, she beat all the opponents she faced etc, etc.
I 100% agree with you Andy! :bounce:

Congrats for Venus for finally get her shine back! I'm not a fan, but her star-power only helps the game and makes me anticipate her future matches with my faves even more. And congrats for Justine/Kim for stepping up their games and dominating the tour prior to their injuries/illnesses.

Pureracket
May 2nd, 2004, 03:27 PM
I 100% agree with you Andy! :bounce:

Congrats for Venus for finally get her shine back! I'm not a fan, but her star-power only helps the game and makes me anticipate her future matches with my faves even more. And congrats for Justine/Kim for stepping up their games and dominating the tour prior to their injuries/illnesses.Maximus, Kimmie and JHH never dominated Venus and Serena. As stated, that's the difference.

I'm sure that the Belgiums appreciate your diehard support, esp. since you're from the Michigan part of Belgium.

That wouldn't happen to be the same place in Belgium where Saginaw, MI, is, is it? You know, Serena's birthplace? Lemme guess, Serena's game bores you, though, or she's too arrogant, or you don't like her father, or she doesn't take tennis seriously enough, or she always has excuses, or she withdraws too much, or. . ..

rada
May 2nd, 2004, 03:29 PM
well done and keep it up:) good win there;)

bandabou
May 2nd, 2004, 03:34 PM
Funny....when Svetlana was busy beating Venus and Justine, she was supposed to be all that, but now that she lost she isnīt anything more and Venus was just lucky not to play a top player?!

Knizzle
May 2nd, 2004, 03:39 PM
Well no excuses, she won 2 Tier III (in term of opponents quality) but it's not her fault. She might very well win Berlin the next week beating a couple of big names.
Shut the fuck up!! Neither of those tourneys were tier 3 in opponents quality. Tier 2 maybe at Charleston, but not tier 3. Have you seen a tier 3 lately??

Knizzle
May 2nd, 2004, 03:47 PM
32Whttp://www.itftennis.com/shared/images/players/h2h.gif (http://www.itftennis.com/womens/players/headtohead.asp?player=20005009&opponent=20008513) Samantha REEVES (http://www.itftennis.com/womens/players/player.asp?player=20008513) (USA) 4-6 6-4 6-3
16Whttp://www.itftennis.com/shared/images/players/h2h.gif (http://www.itftennis.com/womens/players/headtohead.asp?player=20005009&opponent=35012899) Marie-Gaiane MIKAELIAN (http://www.itftennis.com/womens/players/player.asp?player=35012899) (SUI) 6-4 6-1
QFWhttp://www.itftennis.com/shared/images/players/h2h.gif (http://www.itftennis.com/womens/players/headtohead.asp?player=20005009&opponent=35011959) Vera ZVONAREVA (http://www.itftennis.com/womens/players/player.asp?player=35011959) (RUS) 6-3 6-4
SFWhttp://www.itftennis.com/shared/images/players/h2h.gif (http://www.itftennis.com/womens/players/headtohead.asp?player=20005009&opponent=20008013) Jelena KOSTANIC (http://www.itftennis.com/womens/players/player.asp?player=20008013) (CRO) 6-4 6-1
FRWhttp://www.itftennis.com/shared/images/players/h2h.gif (http://www.itftennis.com/womens/players/headtohead.asp?player=20005009&opponent=20000441) Conchita MARTINEZ (http://www.itftennis.com/womens/players/player.asp?player=20000441) (ESP) 2-6 6-2 6-1

That looks like a Tier III to me, it could even be a strong Tier IV.
Find another Tier 3 that looks anything like this. Not to mention the other top players who were beaten there.

Andrew.
May 2nd, 2004, 03:47 PM
Funny....when Svetlana was busy beating Venus and Justine, she was supposed to be all that, but now that she lost she isnīt anything more and Venus was just lucky not to play a top player?!
I always said that Kuznetsova was a flash in the pan and I'm really not suprised by this result.

Martian Willow
May 2nd, 2004, 03:49 PM
...hang on...now they're telling us it's not her fault the others didn't turn up...I'm confused... :scratch:

TeeRexx
May 2nd, 2004, 03:49 PM
32Whttp://www.itftennis.com/shared/images/players/h2h.gif (http://www.itftennis.com/womens/players/headtohead.asp?player=20005009&opponent=20008513) Samantha REEVES (http://www.itftennis.com/womens/players/player.asp?player=20008513) (USA) 4-6 6-4 6-3
16Whttp://www.itftennis.com/shared/images/players/h2h.gif (http://www.itftennis.com/womens/players/headtohead.asp?player=20005009&opponent=35012899) Marie-Gaiane MIKAELIAN (http://www.itftennis.com/womens/players/player.asp?player=35012899) (SUI) 6-4 6-1
QFWhttp://www.itftennis.com/shared/images/players/h2h.gif (http://www.itftennis.com/womens/players/headtohead.asp?player=20005009&opponent=35011959) Vera ZVONAREVA (http://www.itftennis.com/womens/players/player.asp?player=35011959) (RUS) 6-3 6-4
SFWhttp://www.itftennis.com/shared/images/players/h2h.gif (http://www.itftennis.com/womens/players/headtohead.asp?player=20005009&opponent=20008013) Jelena KOSTANIC (http://www.itftennis.com/womens/players/player.asp?player=20008013) (CRO) 6-4 6-1
FRWhttp://www.itftennis.com/shared/images/players/h2h.gif (http://www.itftennis.com/womens/players/headtohead.asp?player=20005009&opponent=20000441) Conchita MARTINEZ (http://www.itftennis.com/womens/players/player.asp?player=20000441) (ESP) 2-6 6-2 6-1

That looks like a Tier III to me, it could even be a strong Tier IV.
As has been said previously, some morons will just continue to be haters. Heck, it's in their inbred genes. :eek: :lol: :lol:

Martian Willow
May 2nd, 2004, 03:50 PM
...here's an asterisk, where should I put it...?

*

:)

Andrew.
May 2nd, 2004, 03:50 PM
What I have a problem with is this:

When Lindsay won Tokyo, she got so much crap from people about how the field sucked and it wasn't really an accomplishment and blah, blah, blah. Venus was there, Chanda was there, and all the Lindsay fans said that it wasn't Lindsay's faults that they all lost early. But we still took shit. Now the Venus fans are saying the same things. :retard:

Knizzle
May 2nd, 2004, 03:50 PM
32Whttp://www.itftennis.com/shared/images/players/h2h.gif (http://www.itftennis.com/womens/players/headtohead.asp?player=20005009&opponent=20008513) Samantha REEVES (http://www.itftennis.com/womens/players/player.asp?player=20008513) (USA) 4-6 6-4 6-3
16Whttp://www.itftennis.com/shared/images/players/h2h.gif (http://www.itftennis.com/womens/players/headtohead.asp?player=20005009&opponent=35012899) Marie-Gaiane MIKAELIAN (http://www.itftennis.com/womens/players/player.asp?player=35012899) (SUI) 6-4 6-1
QFWhttp://www.itftennis.com/shared/images/players/h2h.gif (http://www.itftennis.com/womens/players/headtohead.asp?player=20005009&opponent=35011959) Vera ZVONAREVA (http://www.itftennis.com/womens/players/player.asp?player=35011959) (RUS) 6-3 6-4
SFWhttp://www.itftennis.com/shared/images/players/h2h.gif (http://www.itftennis.com/womens/players/headtohead.asp?player=20005009&opponent=20008013) Jelena KOSTANIC (http://www.itftennis.com/womens/players/player.asp?player=20008013) (CRO) 6-4 6-1
FRWhttp://www.itftennis.com/shared/images/players/h2h.gif (http://www.itftennis.com/womens/players/headtohead.asp?player=20005009&opponent=20000441) Conchita MARTINEZ (http://www.itftennis.com/womens/players/player.asp?player=20000441) (ESP) 2-6 6-2 6-1

That looks like a Tier III to me, it could even be a strong Tier IV.
R32Bye R16Selima Sfar (http://www.tenniscorner.net/index.php?corner=w;tcaction=players;playerid=SFS00 1) (TUN)W6-1 7-5QFConchita Martinez (http://www.tenniscorner.net/index.php?corner=w;tcaction=players;playerid=MAC00 1) (ESP)W6-1 6-0SFMeghann Shaughnessy (http://www.tenniscorner.net/index.php?corner=w;tcaction=players;playerid=SHM00 1) (USA)W6-4 6-2FSvetlana Kuznetsova (http://www.tenniscorner.net/index.php?corner=w;tcaction=players;playerid=KUS00 3) (RUS)W7-6(3) 6-3

Is this a tier 3 also??

Martian Willow
May 2nd, 2004, 03:52 PM
What I have a problem with is this:

When Lindsay won Tokyo, she got so much crap from people about how the field sucked and it wasn't really an accomplishment and blah, blah, blah. Venus was there, Chanda was there, and all the Lindsay fans said that it wasn't Lindsay's faults that they all lost early. But we still took shit. Now the Venus fans are saying the same things. :retard:

...they were saying the same thing at the USO, yes...? :)

Ballbuster
May 2nd, 2004, 03:53 PM
You silly bitter people. It is so obvious that you cannot stand in the way of progress. Venus has Plowed the field. Why must you contend she need to continuously prove to your small-mindness.

All I see this week is Venus = Champion
Your Fave = NONE!

Knizzle
May 2nd, 2004, 03:54 PM
...they were saying the same thing at the USO, yes...? :)
Difference is that Justine had never beaten the sisters on hardcourt and the sisters won the last 4 US Opens. FAR didfferent set of circumstances here.

Andrew.
May 2nd, 2004, 03:55 PM
...they were saying the same thing at the USO, yes...? :)
Yes. I love it when the tables are turned. Provides too much amusement.

Martian Willow
May 2nd, 2004, 03:55 PM
You silly bitter people. It is so obvious that you cannot stand in the way of progress. Venus has Plowed the field. Why must you contend she need to continuously prove to your small-mindness.

All I see this week is Venus = Champion
Your Fave = NONE!

...my fave has won WTA titles... :confused: (...and she beat top players to do it... ;) ) :)

Martian Willow
May 2nd, 2004, 03:56 PM
Difference is that Justine had never beaten the sisters on hardcourt and the sisters won the last 4 US Opens. FAR didfferent set of circumstances here.

...oh yes...of course...it's different... :rolleyes:

"Topaz"
May 2nd, 2004, 03:57 PM
If you listen carefully to the detractors, Venus's opponents are mighty big until the queen thumps them. The before and after reactions are baffling.

Greenout
May 2nd, 2004, 03:59 PM
Yes. I love it when the tables are turned. Provides too much amusement.


What about Lindsay's win at AMELIA ISLAND? Isn't this actually
the biggest clay court title win of this season? It looked like
a real Tier 1! :tape: :eek:

jacobruiz
May 2nd, 2004, 03:59 PM
Maximus, Kimmie and JHH never dominated Venus and Serena. As stated, that's the difference.

I'm sure that the Belgiums appreciate your diehard support, esp. since you're from the Michigan part of Belgium.

That wouldn't happen to be the same place in Belgium where Saginaw, MI, is, is it? You know, Serena's birthplace? Lemme guess, Serena's game bores you, though, or she's too arrogant, or you don't like her father, or she doesn't take tennis seriously enough, or she always has excuses, or she withdraws too much, or. . ..
Why start hating on a fan just because he's from Michigan, for god's sake?

People all over the world are fans of the Williams sisters; is there anything wrong with that? Kim snd Justine are great players; who the heck are you to say who can rightfully be their fans?

And since you're so concerned with geography, Traverse City is nowhere near Saginaw.:rolleyes:

bandabou
May 2nd, 2004, 04:00 PM
Well no excuses, she won 2 Tier III (in term of opponents quality) but it's not her fault. She might very well win Berlin the next week beating a couple of big names.

ANd then....what then?!

Andrew.
May 2nd, 2004, 04:01 PM
Lindsay won Amelia Island with wins over Petrova and Mauresmo, top 10 and top 5 players. :retard:

Venus has had how many wins over top 10 players this year? :confused:

WF4EVER
May 2nd, 2004, 04:02 PM
Well no excuses, she won 2 Tier III (in term of opponents quality) but it's not her fault.
Wow, those were some high paying Tier IIIs, weren't they?:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Go, Vee. You're laughing all the way to the bank!!!:devil:

Greenout
May 2nd, 2004, 04:03 PM
Oh..congrats Venus. Anybody really watch this match? What happened?
Somebody took an injury break right? I don't know? I just came back
from eating Fish and Chips at a beach side restaurant.

WF4EVER
May 2nd, 2004, 04:04 PM
Lindsay won Amelia Island with wins over Petrova and Mauresmo, top 10 and top 5 players. :retard:
A win over any player is better than a loss.

Bezz
May 2nd, 2004, 04:04 PM
Yu have to kind of admit that we dont know what type of shape venu is in compared to the top players, but that can be said for justine aswell, williams fans are not really giving her much props until she faces one of the williams, so its not unreasonable that non-williams fans want venus or serena to play and beat another top player b4 they announce her as a real threat for RG.

Ballbuster
May 2nd, 2004, 04:05 PM
Oh..congrats Venus. Anybody really watch this match? What happened?
Somebody took an injury break right? I don't know? I just came back
from eating Fish and Chips at a beach side restaurant.

It was just another Stroll-In-Park for Venus. She didn't even get her hair in a tussy.

Greenout
May 2nd, 2004, 04:07 PM
It was just another Stroll-In-Park for Venus. She didn't even get her hair in a tussy.


No. I want to hear it from someone who really watched the match.
It wasn't shown live in the USA. You can't trick me!! ;)

Pureracket
May 2nd, 2004, 04:08 PM
Why start hating on a fan just because he's from Michigan, for god's sake?

People all over the world are fans of the Williams sisters; is there anything wrong with that? Kim snd Justine are grear players; who the heck are you to say who can rightfully be their fans?

And since you're so concerned with geography, Traverse City is nowhere near Saginaw.:rolleyes:If this is "hating on a fan" to you, then you obviously are not a Williams fan.:lol: If he doesn't cheer for Serena, it matters not to me.

I would venture to believe that Traverse City is closer to Saginaw than it is to Belgium, though. Then again, I could be wrong. You ARE the one who is doing the geography lesson here.;)

(I am sure this poster appreciates you pleading his case).

vettipooh
May 2nd, 2004, 04:10 PM
Well no excuses, she won 2 Tier III (in term of opponents quality) but it's not her fault. She might very well win (http://www.adsrve.com/linkredirect.php?h=73,21259552,wtaworld.com,0) Berlin the next week beating a couple of big names. BLAH,BLAH,BLAH!!!!Venus has the title....deal with it with no excuses.She whooped Kuznetsova's a**.Revenge is sweet!!!!!Now,moving right along to Berlin.Next up??????????????;) :p

Andrew.
May 2nd, 2004, 04:12 PM
Venus at the Australian Open and Key Biscayne was able to beat easily those kind of players and a lot of people were saying "the real Venus will never come back" and that she would be a long way before she would be at the same level as before. Then suddenly she beats the same kind of players and she's the favourite for the French Open.

K.
Ditto.

Rocketta
May 2nd, 2004, 04:15 PM
Haha venus beat the same kind of players in AO? She lost to Lisa Raymond..:unsure:

:lol: Keep it up Cool Canuck you are now providing the after show entertainment. :haha:

LindsayRocks89
May 2nd, 2004, 04:18 PM
It shouldn't matter who you beat in a tournament, you won the tournament whether there were top 10 players you were beating there or not, it shouldn't make a difference who you're playing whether it be the number 1 player or number 100 player, you should go out, do your best, and try your hardest to win the title, so its not really a a players fault when top players choose not to play a tournament, or if they're are injured, or lose before they should

Knizzle
May 2nd, 2004, 04:21 PM
The bottom line is that people like CoolCanuck and loveulindsay would still hate on Venus if she beat the top 5 players in the world in succession for a title. Once a hater, always a hater.

Infiniti2001
May 2nd, 2004, 04:22 PM
When Vee couldn't beat lower ranked players the naysayers deemed her a hasbeen. Now that she's in form again her wins are insignificant :rollseyes: I'm just gonna sit back and enjoy everytime she proves them wrong.:lol:

LindsayRocks89
May 2nd, 2004, 04:22 PM
The bottom line is that people like CoolCanuck and loveulindsay would still hate on Venus if she beat the top 5 players in the world in succession for a title. Once a hater, always a hater.

i agree with you completly, they're just childish, just go to Lindsay's forum and read why loveulindsay hates Venus ;)

Rocketta
May 2nd, 2004, 04:24 PM
When Vee couldn't beat lowere ranked players the naysayers asid she was finished. Now that she's in form again her wins are insignificant to them :rollseyes: I'm just gonna sit back and enjoy everytime she proves them wrong.:lol:Uh huh, isn't the best comedy you've ever seen? They think they are spoiling someones fun but in reality they are just showing how totally in knots Venus schalacking has them. :lol:

Keep up the good work Cool Canuck! *pops popcorn*

Knizzle
May 2nd, 2004, 04:24 PM
No one is actually contesting that.
I guess you missed my earlier post where I posted that draw that someone went through that wasn't exceptionally strong, but you seemed to overlook it. Now all of a sudden you downgrade Venus' two tourney titles?? What gives??

Knizzle
May 2nd, 2004, 04:26 PM
Uh huh, isn't the best comedy you've ever seen? They think they are spoiling someones fun but in reality they are just showing how totally in knots Venus schalacking has them. :lol:

Keep up the good work Cool Canuck! *pops popcorn*
:haha: :haha: big, hearty family reunion laugh for all of us.

Martian Jeza
May 2nd, 2004, 04:29 PM
I make no excuse :D

Knizzle
May 2nd, 2004, 04:30 PM
The bottom line seems more like you're not able to answer my points so you have to come with the "hater" line. Do you see me calling people "haters"? No, because I have something to say.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

ME not answer you!! This is comical. I answered all of your points with better ones. You are the one avoiding my posts.

:haha: :haha: Keep the laughs coming. You should take this act on the road.

Knizzle
May 2nd, 2004, 04:33 PM
The only difference is that you didn't hear Justine fans saying she was the dominating player and the fave for tournements coming up just because of the results of that particular tournement.
How many times have we had to hear about Justine dominating the hardcourts??

Martian Jeza
May 2nd, 2004, 04:35 PM
Real WTA Lovers can't love players like the Williams !

Infiniti2001
May 2nd, 2004, 04:36 PM
Real WTA Lovers can't love players like the Williams !


Must be some powerful acid going around wherever you are , because you are seriously deluded . :fiery: :smash: :banghead:

LindsayRocks89
May 2nd, 2004, 04:37 PM
I have a very strong feeling that you'll never find Loveulindsy or Cool Canuck cheering for a black person. I believe Andrew (loveulindsay) is from a Southern state, and Canuck is just retarded.

not andrew, just go to Lindsay's forum and read what he said about her

Martian Jeza
May 2nd, 2004, 04:37 PM
Must be some powerful acid going around wherever you are , because you are seriously deluded . :fiery: :smash: :banghead:

deluded ? Simply realist :angel:

Knizzle
May 2nd, 2004, 04:45 PM
Maybe because she beated Clijsters, Davenport, Capriati and co on that particular surface?
OOOOH, Davenport, Clijsters, and Capriati really dominated the hardcourts the past couple years. :cuckoo:

Knizzle
May 2nd, 2004, 04:52 PM
Hum... Like, yes.

Capriait won 2 slams on hardcourt, Clijsters had excellent results on it and Davenport is one of the best hardcourt players since 10 years.

And, key point, they are all top players.
None of them dominated hardcourts like the Willaims sisters do. They don't even compare. Give it up Cookie Box.

hotandspicey
May 2nd, 2004, 05:00 PM
Haha venus beat the same kind of players in AO? She lost to Lisa Raymond..:unsure:

:lol: Keep it up Cool Canuck you are now providing the after show entertainment. :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

Foot_Fault
May 2nd, 2004, 05:21 PM
I'm really happy to see Venus back on form and hats off to her for two great back-to-back tournament performances.

At the same time the hypocrisy of some posters is amazing; when Venus and Serena were injured, people were saying that Justine and Kim were not the rightful #1 and #2 whereas they have changed their tune totally now the situation is reversed. Now, Venus is the dominant player, it's not her fault the others are injured, she beat all the opponents she faced etc, etc.
To be fair in every sense of the word, this brother is correct. I was even one to say, it's not JUSTINE'S or KIM's fault they are injured, I would take advantage as well. So Now...as a Williams fan, I see some of us can't take the comment when its turned on my beloved Venus.
Who cares what people say or think. I think this is good for her to build more and more confidence. You can't worry about what happens in your draw when it dont pretain you, and that is exactly what Venus has been doing, and Top Tenners have been losing or injured, same case when she was out of the game.

So Hats off to Venus!:bounce: :bounce:

TeeRexx
May 2nd, 2004, 05:23 PM
Damn! This thread is a virtual rat trap for the worst WILLIAMS haters! :fiery:

Oh well, inbreds have to go somewhere. :lol:

OUT!
May 2nd, 2004, 05:25 PM
It's great that Venus has secured back to back tournament victories. Congrats Vee!

servenrichie
May 2nd, 2004, 05:27 PM
When Vee couldn't beat lower ranked players the naysayers deemed her a hasbeen. Now that she's in form again her wins are insignificant :rollseyes: I'm just gonna sit back and enjoy everytime she proves them wrong.:lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :worship: :worship: This sums it all

hotandspicey
May 2nd, 2004, 05:28 PM
Watch out Vee fans!!!The green-eyed monster is everywhere!!!!!!

servenrichie
May 2nd, 2004, 05:31 PM
Real WTA Lovers can't love players like the Williams !Of course not they only love quitters and cheaters:lol: :lol: :lol:

servenrichie
May 2nd, 2004, 05:32 PM
Damn! This thread is a virtual rat trap for the worst WILLIAMS haters! :fiery:

Oh well, inbreds have to go somewhere. :lol::lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Rocketta
May 2nd, 2004, 05:35 PM
Watch out Vee fans!!!The green-eyed monster is everywhere!!!!!!:lol: you can just see the knots just twisting and getting tighter and them having to take the frustration out somewhere.. :o

It's ok, treat it like a piss poor comedy act at the local comedy club. You're not laughing at the jokes but at pitifulness of the comic...:hehehe:

Rocketta
May 2nd, 2004, 05:43 PM
And?
don't bother answering that Knizzle that's a classic have nothing else to say...She knows you're point and so does everyone who is deciding to use their brain today. :D

DA FOREHAND
May 2nd, 2004, 05:46 PM
I'm really happy to see Venus back on form and hats off to her for two great back-to-back tournament performances.

At the same time the hypocrisy of some posters is amazing; when Venus and Serena were injured, people were saying that Justine and Kim were not the rightful #1 and #2 whereas they have changed their tune totally now the situation is reversed. Now, Venus is the dominant player, it's not her fault the others are injured, she beat all the opponents she faced etc, etc.
It might have something to do w/Venus' h2h -v- Kim and justine....justine and Kim have yet to prove that they can beat Venus consistantly, a look at Venus' record -v- them will tell you she has no such problem :wavey:

Knizzle
May 2nd, 2004, 05:50 PM
don't bother answering that Knizzle that's a classic have nothing else to say...She knows you're point and so does everyone who is deciding to use their brain today. :D
You got it Rocketta!! :wavey:

She doesn't have anymore to say. Cookie Box loses again.

:haha: :haha:

Rocketta
May 2nd, 2004, 05:50 PM
I've been told to shut up, that I'm a hater, retarded and racist... It just shows how many of you react in a childish manners when you read something you don't agree with.
as opposed to what? saying Venus has just won two tier III's...

how mature and respectful of you. How could anyone ever live up to your example of maturity? :shrug:

Rocketta
May 2nd, 2004, 05:51 PM
oh btw, what thread were you called a racist? I could use another good laugh. :wavey:

Martian Jeza
May 2nd, 2004, 05:53 PM
Of course not they only love quitters and cheaters:lol: :lol: :lol:

I laugh with you :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Rocketta
May 2nd, 2004, 05:58 PM
Wait, how on earth saying a draw looks like a Tier III is disrespectful? You think it's comparable to being called racist or retarded?

Yes I'm very mature. I've never insulted another poster and I have around 4000 posts.No that's not what you said this is what you said..


I'm sure she's really inspired by Venus Tier III wins.

http://www.wtaworld.com/showpost.php?p=3417703&postcount=3

and you said it in this thread...

http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=113136
and sweetie venus is a person so spare me the I've never insulted another person soap box speech. You insult her by saying that.

Did I say calling you retarded or racist was mature? Maybe you should look in the mirror. Maybe negativity comes your way because you give off negativity? I don't know. :shrug:

I just want you to show me your example of maturity that everyone should be following cause I don't see it.

Knizzle
May 2nd, 2004, 06:04 PM
I've had (and still have) plenty of things to say. Just discuss normally.

And you don't know by now that I'm a "he"?
No, I didn't know you were a he. You always struck me as a female. Someone who has point point usually doesn't reply with "And??"

Rocketta
May 2nd, 2004, 06:12 PM
Yes I'm an example of maturity because I respect other posters and I don't call them names.

And "negativity" for some, just objective obversations for others.:lol: @ you feeling you are an example of maturity. You're smart for not calling names it gets you nowhere. However, maturity is not tied up in whether you call someone stupid or not. Immature is someone who is hell bent on trying to be negative when people are being positive...(does that fit anyone in this thread? :tape: )

Immaturity is going into different threads with the same negativity....opps I think we got a fit. :tape:

Also, the biggest sign of immaturity is truly believing while you're doing all these things that you're more mature than anyone else. :silly:

alextreiber04
May 2nd, 2004, 06:16 PM
The point of me creating this thread was to cheer on Venus. Seeing as only 1/10 of you are, I'll probably delete this thread soon.

Black Mamba.
May 2nd, 2004, 06:19 PM
This is just crap. Last year Justine fans said the same things like it wasn't her fault the sisters were injured and all that stuff. When can we all just say a win is a win, if you show up and beat the people that were there you deserve the title it shouldn't be lessened because others didn't show up.

Rocketta
May 2nd, 2004, 06:22 PM
Maturity in a messageboard is to be able to interact reasonnably with other posters. Yes, I'm an ass sometimes in what I feel are silly threads, (Like Cam'ron Giles thread), it's hardly a sign of immaturity.

And I never pretended I'm more mature than anyone else, I'm just saying I'm a reasonnable, mature person in general.
actually you did just pretend you were more mature than others...:confused:

but whateva...:shrug:

Keep being negative, Keep having a high opinion of yourself, Keep being you...:yeah:

besides I find you funny in all your attempts to bring someone down..;)

Martian Willow
May 2nd, 2004, 06:32 PM
:lol: @ you feeling you are an example of maturity. You're smart for not calling names it gets you nowhere. However, maturity is not tied up in whether you call someone stupid or not. Immature is someone who is hell bent on trying to be negative when people are being positive...(does that fit anyone in this thread? :tape: )

Immaturity is going into different threads with the same negativity....opps I think we got a fit. :tape:

Also, the biggest sign of immaturity is truly believing while you're doing all these things that you're more mature than anyone else. :silly:

...that reminds me of quite a few people, actually... :)

Ballbuster
May 2nd, 2004, 06:32 PM
Seems like you all bit into Canuck's insanty. There is nothing more this poster loves to do than argue with a Williams fan. That is his sole passion.

I don't give him any credance. He's too beneath me.

Martian Willow
May 2nd, 2004, 06:34 PM
...speak of the devil... :lol:

harloo
May 2nd, 2004, 06:37 PM
I am LMAO at all the negative comments about Venus's win. She has been struggling with injuries and is getting back into form. Of course it would be good if all the top players were competing, but a win is a win.

I really think that alot of folks are scared that Venus will become the dominant force and beat their faves leaving them with no more slams.

Anyways, I will continue to laugh at the nonsense, and keep congratulating Venus on playing well and having 2 back 2 back clay court final wins. I would think that even if you dislike her you would still congratulate her because she has not been winning for so long. However, you cannot expect that from folks on this site.:lol:

fifiricci
May 2nd, 2004, 06:41 PM
OMG the levels of vitriol and childishness are as bad as ever today :lol: Just listen to you lot ............ or rather, not :yawn:


Bye!!

Rocketta
May 2nd, 2004, 06:57 PM
hey Anabolix...:wavey:

Here's a clue...If you're a new poster bad reps mean very little..:lol: Actually it meant nothing. I lost no points.

Also, I'll cut you some slack and not bad rep you back since you're new but if you have something to say say it in public that bad rep but don't have the balls to post in a thread is so troll like..:eek:

oh and btw, please point to a post where I said I was mature or anything I posted in here was more mature or less mature than anything else?

vs1
May 2nd, 2004, 06:59 PM
Hey Rocky, my love... :kiss: The more bogus bad rep you get, the more green dots I'll give you! ;) And you KNOW mine mean SOMETHING!! :lol: You know...I've got a soft spot in my heart for Southern Girls!! :kiss: :kiss:

Rocketta
May 2nd, 2004, 07:01 PM
Hey Rocky, my love... :kiss: The more bogus bad rep you get, the more green dots I'll give you! ;) And you KNOW mine mean SOMETHING!! :lol: You know...I've got a soft spot in my heart for Southern Girls!! :kiss: :kiss:
Haha, yours mean EVERYTHING! :kiss: :hearts: :hug: :inlove: :couple:

and you know I have a soft spot for men that live in San Fran....:hearts: :hearts: :hearts:

vs1
May 2nd, 2004, 07:05 PM
oh boy...this thread is going to turn into a lovefest!! :hearts: :hearts: :hearts: but it's only right, i guess. i mean, venus is all about love...love of the game, love of the fans, love of knowledge, love of all things that are good!! :hearts:

have a lovely sunday!! :kiss:

Rocketta
May 2nd, 2004, 07:09 PM
oh boy...this thread is going to turn into a lovefest!! :hearts: :hearts: :hearts: but it's only right, i guess. i mean, venus is all about love...love of the game, love of the fans, love of knowledge, love of all things that are good!! :hearts:

have a lovely sunday!! :kiss:
You too! I tried to spred the love officially but it says I still have to wait...:(

Venus is love you're right! :angel:

We LUV you Venus! :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:

Great Win today! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

SJW
May 2nd, 2004, 08:29 PM
you know what? the beautiful thing is:

Venus Williams: 31 titles

haters can't take that shit away. read it and weep

- L i n a -
May 2nd, 2004, 08:31 PM
you know what? the beautiful thing is:

Venus Williams: 31 titles

haters can't take that shit away. read it and weep
And she lost to Bovina. :p

Elena Bovina: 2 titles

haters can't take that shit away. read it and weep.

Oh wait, I'm a Bovina hater. Tears.

SJW
May 2nd, 2004, 08:33 PM
And she lost to Bovina. :p

Elena Bovina: 2 titles

haters can't take that shit away. read it and weep.

Oh wait, I'm a Bovina hater. Tears.
it was an exo dammit :mad:

don't you love me anymore Lina? tears.

- L i n a -
May 2nd, 2004, 08:34 PM
it was an exo dammit :mad:

don't you love me anymore Lina? tears.
Of course I love you, sweetie. :hug: :)

Get on MSN.

BigTennisFan
May 2nd, 2004, 09:00 PM
Venus at the Australian Open and Key Biscayne was able to beat easily those kind of players and a lot of people were saying "the real Venus will never come back" and that she would be a long way before she would be at the same level as before. Then suddenly she beats the same kind of players and she's the favourite for the French Open.

K.That's right. Venus and Serena have never done well at the FO because they can't play on clay. :angel:

strike86
May 2nd, 2004, 09:14 PM
That's right. Venus and Serena havel never done well at the FO because they can't play on clay. :angel:

Serenas won Roland Garros.

Well done to Venus, shes on stunning form. Come on Venus lets go for the No.1 ranking.

BigTennisFan
May 2nd, 2004, 09:20 PM
Serenas won Roland Garros.

Well done to Venus, shes on stunning form. Come on Venus lets go for the No.1 ranking.
In your dreams. Next you'll be trying to tell me that she played Venus in the Final. :rolleyes:

Black Mamba.
May 2nd, 2004, 09:52 PM
Vee is playing great right now. I know lots of people are proud because I was really sick of people writing her off, especially the commentators.

Couver
May 2nd, 2004, 10:00 PM
Ok Fellow Venus fans, stop arguing with 'these' people. Venus won a title, she's happy and healthy and having fun. Saddly that is a bitter pill to take for some. So just enjoy Venus' success and ignore the rest.

And to borrow a phrase from another infamous 'hater' Let them swallow in their bitter tears! :lol: :lol:

Venus Forever
May 2nd, 2004, 10:37 PM
Rocketta, you are the greatest!!

Keep up the good work!! :hearts: :kiss: :hearts:

I'd rep you more, but am unable to at the moment.

Rocketta
May 2nd, 2004, 10:39 PM
Rocketta, you are the greatest!!

Keep up the good work!! :hearts: :kiss: :hearts:

I'd rep you more, but am unable to at the moment.
:hug:

and you maybe couldn't rep me but I certainly could rep you for saying such nice things. :kiss:

SJW
May 2nd, 2004, 10:41 PM
Serenas won Roland Garros.

Well done to Venus, shes on stunning form. Come on Venus lets go for the No.1 ranking.
if you're English, be very ashamed you didn't spot the sarcasm :lol::kiss:

Kart
May 2nd, 2004, 10:45 PM
The point of me creating this thread was to cheer on Venus. Seeing as only 1/10 of you are, I'll probably delete this thread soon. Why did you expect when you title it about 'haters' and 'excuses' ? :rolleyes:


Anyway, congratulations to Venus for winning against someone who has been a dangerous opponent so far this year :yeah:.

Rocketta
May 2nd, 2004, 10:55 PM
:hug:

and you maybe couldn't rep me but I certainly could rep you for saying such nice things. :kiss:
Posted twice just for Elvira! :wavey:

Glad to annoy! :kiss:

Elvira
May 2nd, 2004, 10:57 PM
Get a life people, stop living thru Venus' success :rolleyes:

- L i n a -
May 2nd, 2004, 10:59 PM
I've been told to shut up, that I'm a hater, retarded and racist... It just shows how many of you react in a childish manners when you read something you don't agree with.
Either...

1) Ignore them.

2) Take advantage of their stupidity, and get some laughs out of it.

It's quite easy to do this with Rocketta, and the others...

Just reverse the behavior they have.

BigTennisFan
May 2nd, 2004, 11:01 PM
if you're English, be very ashamed you didn't spot the sarcasm :lol::kiss:
:worship: That's why I posted the follow up even more blatantly. I he misses the sarcasm now all I can say is :smash:

Rocketta
May 2nd, 2004, 11:01 PM
Either...

1) Ignore them.

2) Take advantage of their stupidity, and get some laughs out of it.

It's quite easy to do this with Rocketta, and the others...

Just reverse the behavior they have.why don't you show him how? :)

Venus Forever
May 2nd, 2004, 11:13 PM
why don't you show him how? :)
You are a classic. :lol:

Knizzle
May 2nd, 2004, 11:15 PM
I only want Venus to lose to shut up arrogant people like you. Stop living through her success.
I got this badrep from Elvira from this thread. Talk about bitterness :haha: :haha:

Rocketta
May 2nd, 2004, 11:17 PM
I got this badrep from Elvira from this thread. Talk about bitterness :haha: :haha:
:lol: She only told me I'm annoying....:sad: :sad:

:lol: You're super special! :devil:

Knizzle
May 2nd, 2004, 11:20 PM
:lol: She only told me I'm annoying....:sad: :sad:

:lol: You're super special! :devil:
It's kind of weird that people with their rep turned off(for obvious reasons) get to give out bad reps that actually count. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Rocketta
May 2nd, 2004, 11:24 PM
It's kind of weird that people with their rep turned off(for obvious reasons) get to give out bad reps that actually count. :lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol: Yeah well do you really expect more? :shrug:

maximus82
May 2nd, 2004, 11:55 PM
Maximus, Kimmie and JHH never dominated Venus and Serena. As stated, that's the difference.

I'm sure that the Belgiums appreciate your diehard support, esp. since you're from the Michigan part of Belgium.

That wouldn't happen to be the same place in Belgium where Saginaw, MI, is, is it? You know, Serena's birthplace? Lemme guess, Serena's game bores you, though, or she's too arrogant, or you don't like her father, or she doesn't take tennis seriously enough, or she always has excuses, or she withdraws too much, or. . ..
:rolleyes:
1- Well, Venus isn't presently 'dominating' any of the top 5. The whole point was that a player is dominate when they are winning title-after-title on the tour. So Venus is dominating at present with her back to back titles. Henin was dominating the tour last fall by sweeping the hard-court season. Doesn't matter who people face, if you win tourney after tourney, you are dominating.
2- I hope that Justine and all my other faves do appreciate my suppot. And I'm sure they do. Unlike certain fans, most players appreciate their fans from ALL countries, not just their own.
3- Actually I was born in Saginaw, MI like Serena. But why does that mean I should be her fan as opposed to other people? And it's not that I have any particular reason I'm not a serena/venus fan...I think they are very accomplished, deserving champions. It's just that other players appeal to me in a way they don't.

~CANUCK~
May 3rd, 2004, 12:19 AM
Its so nice to see vee winning again. Its been far to long. I wouldn't exactly go as far as saying she is the most dominating player on clay right now just because she won 2 tournaments on clay. Why not call Loit the most dominating player on clay, she won 2 clay court tournies also, and since most of your agruements about venus beating low ranked players is that a win is a win, well then i guess Loit and Vee share the most dominanting player awards at the moment. Don't get me wrong, im so freaking happy vee is back to her old self and winning again, but i don't think we should be handing out titles like that when she hasn't beaten a top 10 yet(as far as i remember, i could be wrong). And in vee's case it really isn't her fault, she is doing exactly what she needs to do, beat who she is playing. I hope she continues to do this when she faces the top 10ers. So i think we should hold off on calling her the most dominating player until she faces the big girls.

Pureracket
May 3rd, 2004, 12:25 AM
:rolleyes:
1- Well, Venus isn't presently 'dominating' any of the top 5. The whole point was that a player is dominate when they are winning title-after-title on the tour. So Venus is dominating at present with her back to back titles. Henin was dominating the tour last fall by sweeping the hard-court season. Doesn't matter who people face, if you win tourney after tourney, you are dominating.
2- I hope that Justine and all my other faves do appreciate my suppot. And I'm sure they do. Unlike certain fans, most players appreciate their fans from ALL countries, not just their own.
3- Actually I was born in Saginaw, MI like Serena. But why does that mean I should be her fan as opposed to other people? And it's not that I have any particular reason I'm not a serena/venus fan...I think they are very accomplished, deserving champions. It's just that other players appeal to me in a way they don't.Gee! You sure told me.

OUT!
May 3rd, 2004, 12:37 AM
Get a life people, stop living thru Venus' success :rolleyes:No thanks Dr Phil, I'm digging this fantasy life with Queen Vee and I'm really enjoying it!:p

Serendy Willick
May 3rd, 2004, 11:39 PM
saying that Venus didn't beat anyone big :rolleyes: and say this is all hype let us congratulate Venus for a great job and let me be one of the first to say:

Sheeeeeeeee'ssss Back! :rocker2:
These haters had their mouths closed when Kim and the cheater were running through these same type of draws.:rolleyes:

Serendy Willick
May 3rd, 2004, 11:47 PM
Hum... Like, yes.

Capriait won 2 slams on hardcourt, Clijsters had excellent results on it and Davenport is one of the best hardcourt players since 10 years.

And, key point, they are all top players.

Clijsters, Davenport, nor Capriati never won the last FOUR US Opens. All of the cheaters summer hardcourt titles were won in the absence of two of the best hardcourt players of the Millenium.:rolleyes:

vettipooh
May 3rd, 2004, 11:51 PM
These haters had their mouths closed when Kim and the cheater were running through these same type of draws.:rolleyes: That's because in their distorted world,what's good for the goose is not good for the gander!!!!!:rolleyes: :lol:

alextreiber04
May 4th, 2004, 12:46 AM
Once again...this is supposed to be a cheering thread for Venus, not a hate thread.
To stop all this naughty behaviour.

GEAUX VENUS GEAUX!

Jakeev
May 4th, 2004, 07:43 AM
saying that Venus didn't beat anyone big :rolleyes: and say this is all hype let us congratulate Venus for a great job and let me be one of the first to say:

Sheeeeeeeee'ssss Back! :rocker2:
Interesting comment considering similar threads have been said about Lindsay and Justine. Even Jessica Kirkland can't seem to win back to back titles without people whining she did not beat anyone significant to win two titles.

fifiricci
May 4th, 2004, 08:10 AM
OMG I cant believe some of you are STILL ranting on in this stupid thread :lol: I am now seriously worried that some of you really dont have a life outside this board. Pls, TRY thinking about something else ............

GoGoMaggie
May 4th, 2004, 09:37 AM
saying that Venus didn't beat anyone big :rolleyes: and say this is all hype let us congratulate Venus for a great job and let me be one of the first to say:

Sheeeeeeeee'ssss Back! :rocker2:I'm sick n tired of the descprition "hater" cuz many of the Willy fans are actually more of haters jumping over every opportunity possible to diss players who have said or done anything even remotely controversial about the sisters and actually a lot of the so called haters by your logic have legit reasons to criticize the sistahz cuz they have done things that deserve those speculations and you can't change the past.