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GoGoMaggie
May 2nd, 2004, 09:44 AM
I used to think her favorite surface was a hardcourt but her recent results indicate otherwise. She's actually doing better on dirt now. Her results on hard courts were less then mediocre. I think it's fair to call her a clay specialist now. What do you think?

tennnisfannn
May 2nd, 2004, 09:47 AM
There are no specialist of any surface on the top of women's tour. The good players are just great on all surfaces. the not so good players may prefere certain surfaces. But to answer your question, venus is playing well on clay.

potty
May 2nd, 2004, 09:48 AM
errrmm nope I would actually class her as an all surface player, specialist to me mean the have great results on that surface only and maybe an odd good result of different surfaces. Venus can and will have great results on all surfaces.

GoGoMaggie
May 2nd, 2004, 09:50 AM
errrmm nope I would actually class her as an all surface player, specialist to me mean the have great results on that surface only and maybe an odd good result of different surfaces. Venus can and will have great results on all surfaces.
No, I mean, she used to be capable of playing well on other surfaces but recently, especially after coming back from a long lay-off, she's been a mediocre player on any other surface than clay. I don't see her performance pick up on non-clay surfaces any time soon. So for the time being, she deserves the label," clay court specialist" in my opinion.

Stamp Paid
May 2nd, 2004, 09:51 AM
I think that once Vee wins Roland Garros, then she can be considered an all surface player. Until then, if she hits Serena or a Belgian, she's in trouble. Keep in mind that she hasn't had to beat any Top 10 players during her 2004 clay court run, impressive as it is. Can't wait for Berlin!!:):):):bounce::bounce:

Dymension
May 2nd, 2004, 09:56 AM
Queen Vee is just good on each surface :p :D

When she has play on Clay for many weeks, she is unstoppable. But when she is underdone, she loses (example: 2003 French Open vs Zvonareva) ;)

1jackson2001
May 2nd, 2004, 10:41 AM
No, her best surface is still hardcourts. She is just having better form than she had during earlier this year. She would perform even better if she's on hardcourts right now. But Venus is just that good that she can play well on clay as well.

hingis-seles
May 2nd, 2004, 10:51 AM
When she has play on Clay for many weeks, she is unstoppable. But when she is underdone, she loses (example: 2003 French Open vs Zvonareva) ;)
Apparently, you've forgotten 1999. Venus won the titles in Hamburg and Rome and was a favourite to win Roland Garros, but stumbled badly in the 4th Round against Barbara Schwartz.

Dava
May 2nd, 2004, 12:32 PM
I wouldnt go as far as too call her a clay court specialist but her game seems very suited to the surface atm, from what Ive seen her play. The defensive style of her game works very very well, and she seems more confortable on clay then Ive ever seen her before.

akosijepoy
May 2nd, 2004, 01:47 PM
Not yet...maybe some more clay tier 1s and French Open crowns...

Volcana
May 2nd, 2004, 02:01 PM
'specialist' implies she's NOT good on other surfaces. She's a 'non-carpet' specialist.

Experimentee
May 2nd, 2004, 02:13 PM
Shes good on all surfaces. Obviously you dont know the meaning of specialist if you are saying Venus is a clay court specialist.
Venus was not doing well at the start because she was rusty coming off her injury. Now that is all sorted out she will be doing well on all surfaces.

ghosts
May 2nd, 2004, 02:20 PM
she is obviously :D

Cybelle Darkholme
May 2nd, 2004, 02:33 PM
No, I mean, she used to be capable of playing well on other surfaces but recently, especially after coming back from a long lay-off, she's been a mediocre player on any other surface than clay. I don't see her performance pick up on non-clay surfaces any time soon. So for the time being, she deserves the label," clay court specialist" in my opinion.Then your opinion isn't worth much.

Every top player is an all surface specialist and they have the titles to prove it.

Funny how some other clay court specialists dont have us open titles or wimbledon titles or have been tothe final of the aussie.

Mags do you really believe that crap you post?

VRULES
May 2nd, 2004, 02:33 PM
She isn't a clay court specialist but she found her groove on the clay. You can tell something clicked in CHarleston that wasn't there before. She used to play a good point, nice and forceful and aggressive, then she would play a few games of being passive, push the ball instead of hitting through it. That was how the players could move her around. Thats how she got those little nagging injuries. Once she got over everything anf then just played like she wanted to, she started with better results. It just happen that is occured on clay.

And if Venus isn't an all court player, I don't know who is. Her obvious best surface is grass and the fast USO hardcourt, but most all court players have a favorite surface where they thrive. Evert was clay, Serena is definitely hardcourt, and Justine is clay, and Kim is indoors and harcourts. Just my opinion.

vogus
May 2nd, 2004, 04:06 PM
Venus winning all these matches on clay is just a sign that when the top female players are on their game, surface isn't all that important. Clay is clearly the worst surface for Venus's fast-paced game, but it just doesn't matter that much until she plays a player who can really challenge her.

Ballbuster
May 2nd, 2004, 04:10 PM
She has matured on the slow stuff. Mostly, all she wants to do is blast winners past her opponents and hit the showers. Clay, used to be her problem. She has matured and grown more patient.

Translation = she will be wrecking havoc on the hardcourts.

"Topaz"
May 2nd, 2004, 04:37 PM
Folks, keep things in perspective. We are just withnessing a recovery. It so happens this is the clay season. Things click when they do. The thought we should be caressing is that if she can give us this level of performance on clay, what is in store for us come WB and the Summer!

DA FOREHAND
May 2nd, 2004, 05:33 PM
I think that once Vee wins Roland Garros, then she can be considered an all surface player. Until then, if she hits Serena or a Belgian, she's in trouble. Keep in mind that she hasn't had to beat any Top 10 players during her 2004 clay court run, impressive as it is. Can't wait for Berlin!!:):):):bounce::bounce:


Conchita hasn't won RG, would you consider her a "grasscourt" specilist?
Venus beaten Martina Hingis on clay red clay no less, and she's a better player today than she was in the late nineties, but you probably just started watching tennis this century.

Doesn't matter what surface is under her feet, she's more than capable of beating anyone..7-1 :wavey:

vs1
May 2nd, 2004, 05:49 PM
Venus is great on ALL surfaces...nothing is a liability for her. This week she proved that she is quite a force on clay (but then again, look at her amazing clay record...wins on red and green...finalist at RG). She's proven to us why she's the REAL queen of the WTA!!! :bounce: :bounce:

Foot_Fault
May 2nd, 2004, 06:20 PM
it's Simple GoGoMaggie.
A GREAT player is GOOD on all surfaces. A Specialist is good on a particular surface.

Evert and Clay (Specialist)
Good on Grass, Hardcourts

Navratilova and Grass (Specialist)
Good on hardcourts and Clay

hotandspicey
May 2nd, 2004, 07:10 PM
A healthy,focused Venus,can win on any surface......it's called "by any means necessary!!!!

thelittlestelf
May 2nd, 2004, 07:31 PM
Venus's best surface by far is grass.

harloo
May 2nd, 2004, 07:38 PM
Venus best surface is grass, she can win on the dirt and she has become patient. Venus was not always good on clay, neither was Serena, but they learned that it takes more effort on clay than grass and hard.